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Old 01-06-2009, 12:17 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Scapegoat View Post
looks like he started turning the plane before the wing had enough distance from the ground... looks like pilot error.

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Originally Posted by R_Rambo View Post
yea agreed didnt produce enough lift after taking off to make that turn. then he went ejecto seato cuz!

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Originally Posted by Soon2bG60 View Post
Yeah, he deffently turned the damn plane... lol pilot error big time.
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Originally Posted by enigma View Post
Looked like the take off angle was too steep.

No pilot error.

1. These flights are planned from t/o to landing for almost every conceivable variable. The takeoff roll is calculated for distance to attain take off speed for current weight, wind speed and direction and atmospheric conditions. When they are on the take off roll the first officer calls out the speed at certain points. He will tell the pilot when they have reached the criticle speed where they are no longer able to stop before the end of the runway and must take off and then when they have reached rotation speed. I am not sure how much over stall speed they rotate, but I will bet it is higher than 1.3x.


2. Turning a plane just after take off is not a problem as long as the angle of bank is kept under a certain degree to keep the verticle compenent of lift sufficient for flight. I am not an engineer, so I do not know the angle, but I think it would be greater than that required for a standard rate turn. So even if they were doing 200kts at that point, the plane should be able to make at least a 25 degree bank turn with no problems. However, I see no turn in the video. I see the plane pitch up, then lower the nose some then fly along at a high angle of attack. The plane starts a very shallow turn right at the end, but at that point the plane was already going down and the pilot could have been reaching for the ejection handle.

3. http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123101727

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/excl..._198060-1.html

4. As the video shows, the plane does pitch up rapidly upon take off. A pilot would not do that, there is no need. Take off is the easiest thing you can do, I could do it in a B-2 and I have just over 100 hours in aircraft.

The pilots who fly these went through military flight training, flew fighters, bombers or cargo for many hours and proved to be competent, capable pilots before ever stepping foot in the B-2 sim. Not until they proved they can handle the whole package, the flying (easy part) and all the systems, be they flight, navigation, targeting and numerous others to an acceptable level on missions lasting up to and over 24 hours are they allowed to get into the real aircraft. People who make it that far do not simply yank back on the yoke to see if it can handle it. They know the aircrafts limitations and are not going to knowingly put it into a fligth attitude that is unstable, let alone that close to the ground.
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