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CleanNeon98 08-20-2007 02:48 AM

Diesel or Gasoline
 
Just curious, did some reading on diesel, and wanted to see what you guys thought. If you were looking to get a car that is daily driven (car not truck), and had the choice to get a diesel or gasoline, what would you choose?

Diesel has better fuel economy, but slightly higher maintenance costs and intervals, while gas eats a bit more gas, but doesnt require as much maintenance. Diesel, gasoline, or its an even tradeoff? Also, remember that diesel is more enviro-friendly than most gasoline engines, so if that matters to any of us here interested in saving the planet.

Chime in!! I know there are at least a few diesel guys here, mostly gasoline, so lets hear it.

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BradC 08-20-2007 07:58 AM

I voted Diesel. As long as I have another car to play with, I would love a diesel car.

Raven18940 08-20-2007 08:44 AM

Modern diesels are neat, but I'd prefer a small gasoline engine. Cleaner, quieter, easier to maintain. Actually it's mostly the maintenance issue, diesels are a expensive and difficult to maintain cause the fuel system is so damn high pressured.

esunbaboon 08-20-2007 11:03 AM

Get and 87 merc 300td wagon. Then you can haul stuff if you need to.

CleanNeon98 08-20-2007 11:52 AM

Why are they so slow though?? My civic hits 60 in about 9 seconds, I looked up the stats on a diesel golf last night, and having 100 horsepower and 177 torque! at 1700rpm for that matter, it goes in 12.1

Is there any way to make them faster?? Its kind sad to see all of that torque to go to waste. Cant you tinker with the turbo, or the ECU

markley02 08-20-2007 11:55 AM

Maybe a CVT trans to keep it in the powerband would make it faster.

I didn't think diesels needed that much maintenence. I mean, I know rebuilds would cost more, but they should last a lot longer.

OMGz Turbo 08-20-2007 11:57 AM

you can take a full size diesel truck into the 12's with a few mods..as long as its a turbo diesel lol

CleanNeon98 08-20-2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by markley02 (Post 634911)
Maybe a CVT trans to keep it in the powerband would make it faster.

I didn't think diesels needed that much maintenence. I mean, I know rebuilds would cost more, but they should last a lot longer.

Yea, I read its not uncommon to see them with 500k miles+
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Originally Posted by OMGz Turbo (Post 634915)
you can take a full size diesel truck into the 12's with a few mods..as long as its a turbo diesel lol

Im talking cars though. A friend of mine is considering getting one, and his reason is "cause its european" so I want to know what the real deal is. He wants a golf TDI

turbo4g63 08-20-2007 12:03 PM

i know a guy that has a vw diesel for his dd and gets like 40+ mpg, so if it was my dd and absolutely no modding to it then i'd go diesel. not to mention the fuel for it is like 20 cents cheaper.

99SL2_Modder 08-20-2007 12:08 PM

Non-turbo diesels are slow.

But, yes, I would pick up a diesel car. It takes very little mods to make a turbo diesel fast, and still be more efficient than a gas engine.

Plus, that vdub isn't geared to get up and go. People buy diesel for a reason.

And torque gets you going, but hp will get you better speed. After all is said and done through the drivetrain, that golf doesn't have probably more than 85hp to the wheels, if that.

CleanNeon98 08-20-2007 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder (Post 634927)
Non-turbo diesels are slow.

But, yes, I would pick up a diesel car. It takes very little mods to make a turbo diesel fast, and still be more efficient than a gas engine.

Plus, that vdub isn't geared to get up and go. People buy diesel for a reason.

And torque gets you going, but hp will get you better speed. After all is said and done through the drivetrain, that golf doesn't have probably more than 85hp to the wheels, if that.

So the modifications for a diesel would be about the same as for a gasoline engine. The VW diesels are turbo 1.9 liters, but there has to be a way to give them some more balls, I mean 177 torque and they are still considerably slower than my civic

OMGz Turbo 08-20-2007 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CleanNeon98 (Post 634936)
So the modifications for a diesel would be about the same as for a gasoline engine. The VW diesels are turbo 1.9 liters, but there has to be a way to give them some more balls, I mean 177 torque and they are still considerably slower than my civic

they seem slower than your civic however they make about 70 more ft/lbs and with VERY minor mods it would probably be faster on a roll

CleanNeon98 08-20-2007 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGz Turbo (Post 634944)
they seem slower than your civic however they make about 70 more ft/lbs and with VERY minor mods it would probably be faster on a roll

So from a performance standpoint, they arent really that great i guess. Hes not one of those people who is all about global warming and such, so I dont know why the hell hes doing it

redwrxwagon02 08-20-2007 12:20 PM

definately deisel

you can buy kits now to convert used veggie oil into deisel feul that has a higher octane and burns cleaner and you pay about 40 cents a gallon after everything

CleanNeon98 08-20-2007 12:21 PM

And also, what is with the nice rich black smoke they put out

OMGz Turbo 08-20-2007 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by redwrxwagon02 (Post 634950)
definately deisel

you can buy kits now to convert used veggie oil into deisel feul that has a higher octane and burns cleaner and you pay about 40 cents a gallon after everything

Definitely, some people are using grease from fastfood restaurants...mmmm....french fries while driving FTW

redwrxwagon02 08-20-2007 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CleanNeon98 (Post 634952)
And also, what is with the nice rich black smoke they put out

go to howstuffworks.com and look up deisel engines

CleanNeon98 08-20-2007 12:27 PM

There was a member here I remember who got a TDI jetta and had the licence plate Oil Brnr I think

CleanNeon98 08-20-2007 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by redwrxwagon02 (Post 634964)
go to howstuffworks.com and look up deisel engines

Read that, watched vids, didnt find anything about the smoke though

redwrxwagon02 08-20-2007 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGz Turbo (Post 634954)
Definitely, some people are using grease from fastfood restaurants...mmmm....french fries while driving FTW

i would get hungry too often


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