do you fight no point tickets?
 

i got a "careless driving" ticket this morning for accelerating to fast i guess. this is the second "no point" ticket i've received, i don't really want to pay it so i thought about fighting it, but i don't know if it's even worth it.. what do you guys do ? i'm pretty annoyed by it because i didn't know there was a law that said you can't speed up to the speed limit quickly, the cop seemed nice and it was in springfield, i thought for sure i would just get a warning since i run with springfield ambulance, guess he was just in a bad mood.

and yeah i know this should go in the ask the law forum but quite frankly that place is a ghost town and i actually want to get responces

carless driving is 2 points homie.

we have a new officer, and he answers very quickly

hold on since when did careless driving become a no point ticket? last time i checked it was 2 or 3 points. Springfeild nailed me for careless also back in november. im fighting it, simply because i downshifted to slow down (hints the dead stopped tafic in front of me) and the cop only heard my car so he turned arround and pulled me over. he asked how fast i was going, i replyed with excuse me? how can i help you officer?. tall skinny old going bald cop. Needless to say im pretty sure i have the upper hand beings i have witnesses in the car and a good laywer

you dont need a lawyer for that...

i dont know, he said he was doing me a favor and that careless driving would be no points and not affect my insurance, no description of what i did on the ticket so im not even sure what he nailed me for. says

statue 3111 sub sec a fine $25 and like $75 in taxes and crap comes to 107

thats the same total as what mine came out to, so i would say check with the court before you assume that his word is good. Cops like to do this so u dont think about actually going to court.

no.. i meant LJ doesn't need a lawyer. Neither do you, though.

Woots sukka! You got hustled by the cop.

2 points comin your way!

As far as I know and in my own personal experience there are two types of careless driving tickets one is 2 pts. and the other is no points.

I once recieved a 2 pt. careless driving ticket and then in court it was reduced to a 0 pt. careless driving ticket.

I would call the Courthouse or Police station and ask someone if the ticket is 0 or 2 pts.

From what I remember there is like a one number difference between the two different violation numbers.

EDIT: If it turns out that there is no points I wouldn't even bother fighting it.

Obedience to Traffic Control Devices PA VC 3111a Points: 0

im going to the courthouse to make sure, and what the **** does that violation even mean?

it means the cop put it where the sun dont shine, without it hurting

if it doesn't have points.. pay it.

The ticket is not for careless driving, it's for "failure to obey traffic-control devices". The cop gave you a break, it's no points. Don't rely on what he writes as a description, always go by the statute listed:

§ 3111. Obedience to traffic-control devices.
(a) General rule.--Unless otherwise directed by a uniformed police officer or any appropriately attired person authorized to direct, control or regulate traffic, the driver of any vehicle shall obey the instructions of any applicable official traffic-control device placed or held in accordance with the provisions of this title, subject to the privileges granted the driver of an emergency vehicle in this title.

**And damnit, I have two stickied posts in that section, they answer all of these questions:
http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/...ad.php?t=16017

careless driving is 2 points in PA. Trust me I should know.... I got one a few years back when the cop cut me a break instead of reckless

Actually, careless driving is 3 points. But, fortunately, he didn't get a ticket for careless driving.

Basically it means you ran a stop sign or in some eqivalent way broke a rule but didn't actually hurt anyone. In your case it was your "unsafe" acceleration. I got a two point ticket knocked down to that.

If it were me, I'd show up to court. Best case scenario, no points but pay fine, worst case = you get to pay fine and realize later that its 2 pts.

it's no points, but it is listed as careless driving ( going by what they said when i just called )

It's 3 points for Careless Driving. I had 3 of them. Got 2 dropped and still have one pending. That is one of the "bull**** tickets" next to Exhibition of Speed, which is one of the most ridiculous tickets I've ever seen.

You got lucky though. I only ever got one of those no point VC 3111 tickets for 42 in a 25. was lucky.