i have shot a few sigs and i think there possibly the nicest feeling handguns, not a bad idea. and yea i meant stainless slide.

i shoot weekly and i cant help but hit within 6inches of the bullseye just about every time, as far as really close "combat" a shotgun will be better except for the lack of maneuverability, but when you start talking distance shotguns are useless. id say get a 9mm you can get aglock 19 relatively cheap, there easy to use and are accurate up to like 20some yards.

i've got an old walther p38 with nazi insignia and ss insignia, only shot it once, but it was pretty cool. Also have some german sniper rifle, not sure make but has same markings.

pics of them??!?!?!?

If you're ever interested in selling either, get me more info and I'll probably buy.

the closest thing i can think of is my paint ball gun...:eek:

I love my Styer M40A1 and carry everywhere I can.

I'll grab pictures this weekend when i stop home. Maybe some of you guys can even tell me if you know anything about the rifle.

A while back i went onto a p38 forum and they told me everything about it, but i never saved the link and don't have a good memory.

The woman fell asleep early again....so I started practicing photography (WHICH I SUCK AT!!!) I need photoshop, a different lens, and a good light.

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^^^ awesomeness

Yes thats awsome! hard to find a holster for tho :mrgreen:

Get the full size USP .40 OR SIG and be done with it. :wink: I haven't shot the full size USP, just the compacts (in 9, .40, and .45). The Sig is an awesome gun though :inlove:

that 19% figure I got was from the owner of the gun shop I went to who said alot of his friends are cops. He wasn't talking about overall accuracy when target shooting, he was talking about acutally using a hand gun in a fire fight, its only 19% accurate. I wasn't going to argue with the guy as he obviously new more about guns then me and I don't think he had any reason to lie to me since he wasn't trying to sell me on an expensive gun. He made a very good point about using a shotgun for home protection instead of a handgun though. He actually wanted me to NOT buy a gun right away and to shop around.

for some reason I was expecting a different type of pic... :screwy:

The active duty cops (not retired, not in the academy) that I have shot with aren't the best shooters in the world either though :lol: .

So back to your question, generally speaking, a shot gun is great for home defense, little to no OVER penetration, and as stated, it will most likely hit the guy in one way or another.

With that said, for most houses, a full length shotgun (with a stock and the min. required by law 18" barrel) is too big to maneuver. It's a sit and pray guy in most circumstances, you sit behind a door, if he breaks through that last door, you shoot. That's not a bad thing at all, but if you have to go around the house, grab the kids, grab the family members, etc., it's challenging to run around with a gun that size and comfortably be able to take aim on the run. With a handgun, you can perform all duties 100%, and just like everyone SHOULD be, when you are well enough trained, you will hit the intruder. Also, most shotguns are 4 round capacity stock, 3+1 in the chamber.

You can get something like a mossberg 500 with folding stock and 7+1 (or 8+1, don't remember), and it becomes a great home defense gun, so long as that is what you are comfortably shooting. My girlfriend, at 110#'s (while weight is no excuse), just doesn't have the confidence while shooting the 12 gauge. I wouldn't want her protecting herself with that gun (would rather any of my handguns, or gasp....the assault rifle, she's got better aim than I do with the Stag 16" :lol: ).

whoa that is freaking sweet, what does one of those go for?

i'm thinking about getting a hand gun, it would be my first and i plan on going to the range a lot and learning to shoot. what would you guys reccommend? i've been looking at the SA XD and everyone is telling me it would be a great choice, i don't really like the smallest one ( the little sub compact ) it just feels weird in my hands. any thoughts?

They are up to about $1850 with the iron sights, plus the ACOG is about $1000, and the other doodads are a couple hundred more (grip=$30, HK mag=$40, quick release/throw lever for laser or flashlight, whatever I want=$80, cheap laser, not sure, pretty cheap though, it's a cool toy, nothing more). With taxes and what not included, it would be a bit over $3000 to duplicate.

My thoughts of the XD is...well don't ask me. If you can, try the comparable model Glock and you don't have to deal with that stupid safety :-p .

what would be a comparable glock? i don't really know anything about guns, my gaurdian was a police officer and had a few but the only one i ever got to hold was a berreta.

speaking of which, he was a very responsible parent, i was 11-13ish and he gave me his berreta with a clip of holo-points and let me play with it while he was bbq'ing

^ trigger saftey FTMFW

:edit: above drews post.

how does the tigger safety work?