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upperguy 07-21-2009 09:33 PM

3M Carbon Fiber wrap
 
So, i've been doing some research. I found 3M's version of the DRY carbon. Instead of a fabric, this is a film with a dry carbon style weave pressed onto the adhesive backing. It is NOT like the carbon fiber vinyl with the gloss. This will actually go from gray/black to black/gray as you rotate it, showing each weave is true and not a picture printed on white vinyl and cleared.

There are a few different manufacturers that make this, but 3M's is by far the best.
I have a few pictures of it wrapping around spoilers and such, showing its versatility.

My original idea was to cap my roof, like this:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b8...1/DSC_0446.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b8...1/DSC_0439.jpg

I got some pricing on bulk orders of the film. It's pretty pricey somewhere around $9sq/ft for a small order... so I need to see if anyone is interested in helping to offset the cost of the rolls. I'd be willing to get the bulk, slice it up and send it back out.

I got my hands on some samples from the cheapest distributor i could find.
heres a nice photo of the texture:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...3/CIMG0250.jpg
http://imgur.com/SmM2G.jpg
http://imgur.com/4RIfS.jpg

It could EASILY be installed on the roof, spoiler, arches, fenders, cowl area... you name it.
Here are some photos of it on a spoler:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/399...ofspoiler2.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3109/tnhpim24741.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7...0404090004.jpg
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/882/tnhpim2292.jpg

So... would anyone be interested? Once i figure out how much we would all need, i can get a price on the ROLL and dibby it up accordingly.

Nick Merrone 07-21-2009 09:55 PM

im in.

phillycivicsi 07-21-2009 10:06 PM

I need this

P_856 07-21-2009 10:14 PM

im kinda interested how much per sq/ft

GOULET 07-21-2009 10:52 PM

looks like rice to me

phillycivicsi 07-21-2009 11:00 PM

yea but for the people who cant find the carbon fiber parts they want because no one makes it
it is good
like me and my friend have the same issue no one makes the deck lid spoiler on each of cars in cf

phillycivicsi 07-21-2009 11:01 PM

i guess it would be rice if u did a whole trunk or hood but lil pieces here and there dont matter

upperguy 07-21-2009 11:02 PM

It's the same stuff that they use on the new M3 dash pieces, along with a number of other higher end cars. Is it real carbon fiber? no, but having worked with the real stuff I've found that 90% of the people who like carbon fiber have no idea what it actually is.

That being said, this stuff has texture, gives off a gray/black glimmer on different angles and is easy to work with. If you don't like it that's fine, don't buy any but I feel like this is the closest you can get to carbon fiber for 1/10th the cost. On another note, if you want to try your hand at the real stuff shoot me a PM, I have 2x2 twill left over from a project I'll sell you cheap.

Here are a few more pics:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...013_resize.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...012_resize.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...008_resize.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...004_resize.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...003_resize.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...002_resize.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/nvrwqb.jpg

Nick Merrone 07-21-2009 11:08 PM

so nice..

drifty240 07-21-2009 11:10 PM

In so can check out pics tomorrow...

phillycivicsi 07-21-2009 11:26 PM

nice but what can u do with 2x2 lol shift knob

jpalamar 07-22-2009 08:36 AM

So you want to pur fake CF tape on stuff to look like you got real mods?

omgjacki 07-22-2009 08:45 AM

I think I wanna wrap my lip. I'm painting my car again, so it'll stand out

RedDawg 07-22-2009 10:33 AM

how pliable is it?

i was going to attempt a carbon fiber project but need it to be able to curve to some sharp angles, i was going to pick up some 2x2 twill on ebay but if this stuff is cheaper and will give me the same results.....

upperguy 07-22-2009 10:46 AM

It's extremely pliable and not only that it uses 3M's comply adhesive which traps air bubbles to make it even easier for inexperienced hands to work with. But most importantly it can be thermoformed with a low level heat gun/hair dryer.

Fujito 07-22-2009 10:48 AM

If you want a CF roof then this is a good alternative since real CF roofs costs big money.

But I'd go with carbon fiber fabric for the interior, similar to the one that's in the 09 M3

RedDawg 07-22-2009 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upperguy (Post 1444819)
It's extremely pliable and not only that it uses 3M's comply adhesive which traps air bubbles to make it even easier for inexperienced hands to work with. But most importantly it can be thermoformed with a low level heat gun/hair dryer.

i'd be installing it under the hood so i'd still be coating it in a few layers of fiberglass to give it gloss, in your opinion would it be easier working with this stuff or the carbon cloth?

upperguy 07-22-2009 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fujito (Post 1444823)
If you want a CF roof then this is a good alternative since real CF roofs costs big money.

But I'd go with carbon fiber fabric for the interior, similar to the one that's in the 09 M3

The fabric is definitely nice, the only downside is the mass it adds to whatever you are coating. In addition to that, it's inherently stiff to avoid stretching the pattern so instead of wrapping around things you will find you need to stitch in additional panels. It can definitely add a cool look using the fabric, but you have to weigh the benefits of being able to reattach the factory pieces:p

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDawg (Post 1444832)
i'd be installing it under the hood so i'd still be coating it in a few layers of fiberglass to give it gloss, in your opinion would it be easier working with this stuff or the carbon cloth?

You can use layers to apply the carbon cloth, however to really make it good you have to vacuum bag it. Beyond that, you run the risk of pulling the fibers and having a crooked weave which looks horrible! With this stuff there is no chance of skewing the weave so it comes out perfect every time. Either way shoot me a PM with your number and I'll give you a call because I can cover you either way:)

D Money 07-22-2009 11:08 AM

Conner,

So you're saying this is BETTER than the vynil version? And it can be applied to to interior pieces?

How does it work, does it like stretch over them?

upperguy 07-22-2009 11:11 AM

Don't get me wrong, this IS vinyl. But its fully textured and colored so 90% of the people out there wouldn't be able to tell the difference. It is designed to be safe inside or out and can be applied to anything solid! It has a life rating of 4 years and I believe it is warrantied through 3m for that time period. I've seen people wrap their roof/dash/ps3/fridge/wheels with great success, though I don't know how well it would hold up to heavy braking heat.

Shoot me a call sometime D and we can talk about it.

D Money 07-22-2009 11:12 AM

aight, word.

I have this stuff, but if the stuff you have is better i'd rather get that.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194662

upperguy 07-22-2009 11:15 AM

Neffywrap is cool stuff, but I've played with some samples of both and I feel like the 3M stuff is nicer.

The adhesive on the back of the 3m is amazing, it really does make install a ton easier compared to using super77. Check this install clip out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odw8Z...layer_embedded

D Money 07-22-2009 11:18 AM

wait, the stuff you have doesn't require glue to be sprayed down? You just peel off the back and apply it?

upperguy 07-22-2009 11:22 AM

yeah man, you gotta start reading the whole post! It comes backed with 3m's comply adhesive which uses a hexagonal pattern to trap air. Basically it gives you more room for error than traditional vinyl will because it will not bubble unless you really mess up:-p

D Money 07-22-2009 11:24 AM

ok, sign me up. How can I get this?

upperguy 07-22-2009 11:27 AM

You have my number, give me a call when you're free and I'll give you all the details. try to figure out how much you need, I'm sure you didn't read the first post so it's 48" tall:-p

D Money 07-22-2009 11:31 AM

I just need like 1 yard in case I mess up. I don't want to go over board with it, unless I find other things to wrap.

How much for 1 yard? I already put my neffywrap up for sale. LOL

arkadyzv 07-22-2009 12:03 PM

Also very interested, shoot me a pm with the details please.

BradC 07-22-2009 12:26 PM

PM me info too, if its 48" roll i'd need 2-3 yards...

wheresmycar 07-22-2009 12:35 PM

How much do you see non-cf rolls in silver/grey or white?

stang00boy 07-22-2009 12:37 PM

id like to do my dash with this stuff. looks great

D Money 07-24-2009 11:59 AM

Bump!!!

Fujito 07-24-2009 01:06 PM

While I was waiting at Auto FX for my car a 3M salesman came in. The vinyls they make are crazy! Looks exactly like real wood, metal, stone, whatever.

The 3M carbon fiber vinyl is crazy too. It looks 100% legit and no one would be able to tell the difference. I'll be getting some of that stuff put in my interior.

Fujito 07-24-2009 01:08 PM

And the new tape design ensures no air bubbles. It's a really great product.

igo4bmx 07-24-2009 01:20 PM

interested! sign me up!

phillycivicsi 07-24-2009 01:28 PM

yea dude ill let u know when my trunk lid spoiler comes in i wanted that in cf but no one makes it i guess this is my only option

Fujito 07-24-2009 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillycivicsi (Post 1447715)
yea dude ill let u know when my trunk lid spoiler comes in i wanted that in cf but no one makes it i guess this is my only option

You're saving yourself money going this route. It doesn't have a wet carbon fiber look, but it still will look good as a minor exterior accent.

phillycivicsi 07-24-2009 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fujito (Post 1447721)
You're saving yourself money going this route. It doesn't have a wet carbon fiber look, but it still will look good as a minor exterior accent.

everyone is like thats soo rice like yo y dont u just get the real thing lol

i dont give a fcuk what anyone says its not like im gonna wrap my whole car in it

jpalamar 07-24-2009 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillycivicsi (Post 1447725)
everyone is like thats soo rice like yo y dont u just get the real thing lol

i dont give a fcuk what anyone says its not like im gonna wrap my whole car in it

definition of the term ricer... fake CF...

Fujito 07-24-2009 01:55 PM

Race
Inspired
Cosmetic
Ehancements

By definition fake carbon fiber is rice since carbon fiber is intended for weight reduction, but honestly, who buys carbon fiber parts for their DD with the intention of weight reduction? A simple lip spoiler wrapped in carbon fiber vinyl that looks real isn't rice.


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