I'm already disappointed with Gran Turismo 5.
 

Yeah, I said it.

Allow me to fill everybody in real quick about GT5's story thus far, for anyone who needs it. The successor to GT4 6 years in the making, delayed multiple times by Sony over the years (including most recently the 11-2-10 release date delayed), is said to be coming out within the "Holiday Season 2010" by gran-turismo.com. It's said to have over 1,000+ cars (I'll get to that shortly) and some of the greatest HD [and 3D] cars and effects to this day, it will arguably be the best racing game thus far.


Now, as cool as that is, some lucky bastards have obtained the game somehow and are posting vids on YouTube - all of those goodies can be found here:

*********** GTPlanet.net ***********

All of the groundbreaking stuff usually makes it to the News section, but I'd like to divert your attention to the Forums. Following the link after this sentence will take you to the first page of a thread devoted entirely to uncovering these videos: http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=132225


Okay, now why am I disappointed? Well, out of the 1,000 or so cars in this game, approximately 200 will be "Premium" models and whatever else will be "Standard" models. This is old news. The difference between the two will be that the Premiums have a fully modeled interior, with interior view and will be modeled in stunning definition. The standards? No interior, even the windows will feature a black 'tint' to prevent you from seeing what would be the interior, just like GT4. In fact, these models are GT4 models - with better reflections and resolution.

But what I'm really getting at is that one of the videos, particularly the one browsing GT Auto, shows that putting aftermarket wheels will not be possible on Standard models.



WHAT!!!! :mad::mad: That's in the neighborhood of 700 cars which will always, no matter what, have stock wheels on them!

I'm all for function over form, but adding wheels not only gives a great bit of customization to the car, but it also sheds weight in most cases....not to mention, ya could change wheels in GT4!!

So over 6 years or so of development, they've managed to take a step back from the game they are supposed to be succeeding...

Discuss?

ugh such an anticipated game and its always bad news. should have stuck with forza

I don't know if I believe that, not callin you a liar or anything. That just sounds rediculous. That has been a staple on some of the most simple racing games since way back. Theres gotta be somethin up here...

Well, you know everything on youtube is the truth.

Dude, it's all right in front of your eyes. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVIhb...layer_embedded

Watch that video. This guy has the game somehow and has been posting videos for a couple days now. When he scrolls over the wheels option, it says clearly "You cannot change the wheels on Standard model cars."

I don't understand, what other game can he be playing? It most certainly isn't a demo.

In some of his videos, he starts at the PlayStation home menu, under games where you select the game to play. It clearly says Gran Turismo 5.

Thank-you.

It's kind of tough to go on hearsay, you know?. Do you remember when IGN played the trick on the world with the April fool's joke about a Zelda movie?

It's also hard to be dissapointed in something that hasn't even come out yet. And bid deal a handful of the cars don't have fully moddeled interiors; that's not why I'm playing GT5 in the first place.

For example, people are going around posting videos of "glitches" in Call Of Duty Black Ops that are being made with dev units and/or pre-alpha software.

Yeah, some people are just too gullible.

Please look at my post above yours.

Yes, everything on the internet/youtube should not be taken as truth. If you're going to say he's not playing GT5, then what is he playing?

Mind you he's taken pictures and shown the disc. He's shown the game titled as Gran Turismo 5 when loaded into the Ps3. He's first to show us the intro, some menus, different aspects of racing and a fully detailed rain course (not available in any demo at any game show).

People have added him on PSN and next to his name it clearly says Gran Turismo 5 when he's playing the game.

Most importantly, I don't think that the creator of GTPlanet, one of the biggest GT communities if not the biggest, would put those videos on the front page of his website if they were fakes in any way.

Well alright, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The only way we will know for sure is when (or if :lol:) GT5 is released.

OMFG ARE YOU AN IDIOT? I hate to stoop to this level of insulting you, but you are clearly not right in the head. He could easily be playing beta or alpha software. When I was playing the Halo Reach or MOH beta it would say I was playing the game, but the game wasn't final. He could be playing something that isn't final, so why would you take it as a gold(final) release? Please, for the love of god, examine your logic.

I've considered that, no need for insult. My counterpoint:

Why would a Beta or Alpha software product be packaged/boxed in the retail material and have serial numbers, game rating, licensing, etc. all printed on the disc?

U know what isn't gonna suck?....Need For Speed Hot Pursuit, Test Drive Unlimited 2, and Forza 4 (whenever that comes out lol), all for XBOX.

Im gonna wait till GT5 comes out and it swallowed by the masses. If its truely epic, i will be purchasing a PS3 just to have it. If not then O well.

But yea, thats one thing that pisses me off about GT as a series, theyre all like "1000 cars", but u have to remember that many of the cars are like 20 different versions of the same car. So in reality, they really dont have much on Forzas list (which is up to 500 now), forza hits all areas, yea it could be better in some areas of the car list, but it does hit on everything for the most part.

As someone who loved the beginning of the GT series but knew PD was full of bull all I can say is...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

-Agree with you on Test Drive Unlimited 2 and potentially Forza 4.

-Totally disagree with NFS:HP. NFS has seriously gone downhill for me, and knowing that there will be Bugatti Veyron police cruisers chasing you down in this new installment just totally puts me off.

-GT definitely does bark up a tree concerning the vehicles. There were at least 30-something Skylines in GT4. I still think GT will surpass Forza 3 easily. Even if the effective list is somewhere in the same ballpark as Forza, possibly even worse considering the standard/premum thing. GT has weather, night/day, better graphics, the sounds from what I've heard are far better, the interiors on those cars with interiors are totally amazing, among other things. The game size itself is way larger than FM3

Sony has been going around getting videos of GT5 taken down, most of them are down but there are still some up and still some coming up.

Anyways, the original video I linked to where you could see that wheel customization was not available for Standard cars was taken down. However, I have a screenshot from the video of that part.

http://i52.tinypic.com/33a5wds.jpg

I thought originally they were releasing the game with 200-300 cars and the rest were going to be DLC later on? Is it possible that they put them into the game, instead of making the actual car DLC, the DLC will be the improved car?

And Ndubz, go look at the car list... They have way more DIFFERENT cars than Forza.

You mean updating the Standards in the game to Premiums over time as DLC? I think we may see a couple here or there, but from what I remember it was said that it takes around 6 months' time to create a Premium model from scratch. Not to mention, the game's creator/developer Kazunori Yamauchi has already stated they've begun work on GT6.

NFS is all about the fun though. Its not a simulator like forza or GT5. All I know is how much I loved NFS hot pursuit 2 for PS2, one of the most fun racing games Ive ever played. The point of bugatti cop cars, is to make the game interesting. Its cops and robbers, it never gets old.

oh no... you can't change rims... ooooh noooooo

Fixed that for you.

Don't know why you are surprised by any of this?

The GT series has always been able to pull incredible **** on its fan base because it was the only real driving simulator on the market. Everything else was either an arcade racer or a joke.

Then Forza came out and started to give the series actual competition putting some series heat on Polyphony, causing them to scramble to add features to their game. While I have no doubt the end result will be good, it -will- be missing "core" features fans expect.

I don't expect anything from it. I gave up waiting. I'd rather have a game that is damn good(Forza), then wait years for something that probally will be better, but how much better for the wait? Reminds me how disappointing Starcraft 2 is... yes I enjoy it, but I'm so disappointed it took so long for that is was.

seriously? the most epic and advanced racing console game of all time and people are bitching about rims?


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If you can't change wheels, its not epic or advanced.

I'm all about attention to detail in games. I get pissed in shooters when I can't shoot out lights or shoot random bottles/trash or shoot out windows.

And for the interior views. This greatly disappoints me. In forza3 all I do is the cockpit view, I'm so used to it that I have a hard time driving outside of the car now. Now to find that 80% of the cars will not have that is a big let down.

its a car game not a movie. the physics and driving realism is what sells gran turismo. all the other fancy crap is just extras.

ide play prologue but i so much as wiped my ass with forza

wat

I think you are the only one in the universe who has this opinion.

I know GT has always been the race simulator, function over form to the max, etc.

But seriously, how can you not be bothered by this? Especially considering this option was available in GT4.

I just want to see what people who don't care about this think when they go build a Miata or something to around 500whp and can't do anything as far as traction or handling because the car is stuck with stock wheel and tire sizes.




While I agree with you here, the cockpits are a let down, I think the amazingness that are the cockpits on the premium cars might make up for the lack of cockpits on that standards.

However, the fact that Premiums receive real damage and Standards have scratches and scrapes, well that's a different story.

Do you bother - at all - to read previous posts or even take into consideration what wheels actually do for a car? It's way more than just looks, man.I wouldn't consider wheels "fancy crap" whatsoever, I'd say there just about necessary to change on any street car in the game. Sure vehicles like Ferraris and Porsches don't need a new set of wheels on them, but surely if you were to buy a civic or something and fully build it, race modifications, etc. you would benefit from a different wheel setup...

I highly doubt they will miss an aspect liek that.

yeahh, its why I play forza

GT5 wont be better then forza. They took the racing sim title from GT.

NFS:HP is going to be a amazing!

I've been saying for the longest time the HP2 was one of my favorite games. The levels are just so great for their time. It was far too easy though.

in gt4 yes you could change rims...but it was a look effect only. there were no options for size/eight etc.. just had to pick ones you thought looked cool. which i assume is the same as it will be in the new game

the choice between at least 9 different tire grades which prologue has if fine for me.

Did anyone buy GT5 today?

Surprised no one is talking about it. I bought it... and I wish I didn't.

It has all kinds of "little" problems:
4/5th the cars have fugly models ripped out of GT4 with no cockpit view and etc.
Graphics suck sometimes. Lots of tearing and low fps at times.
Horrendous load times, but that's a ps3 issue in general.
AI is awful, apparently ripped straight out of GT4 also.
The initial install (which you can skip) takes 40 ****ing minutes and the game STILL installs stuff later on as you play. Every time I load a new track or check out a new car it displays "installing" in the lower right corner.
Other stuff I'm forgetting...

But the big issue is that the game straight up is not fun. It's not a Forza killer. It's not even a Forza competitor.

The modding/tuning system is like a fossil compared to Forza.

The races suck big time to. Who the **** came up with this ****? VW Bus around the Top Gear test track? Yaris only race? Daihatsu ****box showdown? Half of them are for classic cars. Most of the races you can't even buy a car for from the dealer because the dealer cars are all "premium" (aka the ones they didn't get lazy on), which are newer cool cars and not 1960s turds. You have to either go to the used car dealer and hope you find an appropriate car to buy or pray you win something you can use eventually. Seriously why the hell would they make it so half the races you can't even buy a car for unless you get lucky?

Oh and there are only 5 tiers of 6 races each. That's a whopping 30. Forza 3 has what, 200something? There's a B spec mode where you "coach" an AI driver. The races are the same as A spec mode (drive your self) though. It's basically like hiring a driver in Forza but instead of going and eating a snack while the AI wins a race for you, you have to sit there and click buttons like "go faster" and "pass".

But why do the boring ass races that hardly give you any money or experience when you could just do the "special events"? They're basically challenges with a preset car where you either have to come in a certain place or beat a certain time. Some of them suck, some of them are really fun. Some of them are controller throwing wall punching ragingly difficult, some are gold on the first try easy. No consistency.

There are license tests, but apparently you don't ever need any of the licenses. I haven't needed them yet anyway.

There is supposedly car damage, a touted feature of the game, but you have to "unlock" higher level races before you can use it. Retarded.

When I actually get to drive a car I want to drive (not often) it's an absolute blast. The actual driving is more fun than Forza IMO, but my opinion is probably heavily skewed since I can use my Logitech G25 with the PS3 vs playing Forza with a controller.

Overall everything just feels half baked. Should have been called GT: Prologue 2 and sold at a $40 price point.

You'd think that after so long and all the delays, it'd be a better game... GT is going downhill, fast....

-Jesse

Game isnt terrible....is it what id hoped for...no...is it entertaining and willing to be the first game ive bought in almost a year...yes.

I'm still out about it. Not really sure what I think. Things I don't like are really kind of towering over things I do like right now.

I don't like having to level up to race.
I don't like having to level up to buy nice cars.
The special events are interesting. Some of them are easy, some of them I have given up on entirely.
NASCAR? Where?
Where the F are the endurance races?! I haven't been able to unlock everything yet, but I don't see them anywhere. Granted last time I played a GT was GT2 for PS1.
Is anyone else RAPING the competition like I am? I drove a 350hp Acura concept car against a Bugatti Veyron at the high speed track and WON. WTF!

I'm just not entirely sure this game is anything like it was supposed to be.

Edit: I should add though, the driving is definitely fun. Cars handle like they should, most of them frustratingly terribly.

i've just played it last night once, and the game froze up on me 2 or three times in the initial start up, i had to quit and re-enter.