The HK got dropped off yesterday for night sights, but I (BETTER) have it before Tuesday. If not, I'll let you know.

Im sure Steve is, anyone else going down on Tuesday? I might make the drive down. Wanna grab some ammo.

I just picked the hk up, so I'll definitely be there. Ammo is a different story, my ammo money went towards the sites this week, so I'll probably bring very little (but I need to check the sights, and also the lasermax appears to be off on the glock, want to check that out also so if need be, I can send it back to have it fixed). Where are you getting your ammo from?

1000rds of American Eagle 9mm for 169 from Classic. If it isn't worth it stop me now. lol. Figured grab whatever deals I can while I wait. Grabbed a nice range bag and a case to carry targets and ammo in. Just need the guns at this point. 7 weeks today since I filed for the permit.

Walmart has Winchester white box, 100 rounds of 9mm for right under $11 (10.96 or something), which comes out to .11/bullet. Classic's prices are about 17cents/bullet. So if there is a Walmart on the way, stop there instead to save yourself some coin (that buys you a lot of extra rounds!). I honestly haven't shopped around for bulk ammo (like 1000), but I'm sure you can find it MUCH cheaper.

.45 at walmart is up to $29/100, and it's still one of the best deals around for quality ammo.

I need to find a Walmart in PA then. I take it Winchester is decent ammo then?

Perfect target ammo. It's not self-defense ammo, but I guess you don't really have to worry about that yet anyway!

Ive got a box of Hydra-Shoks already for the home defense ammo. Hopefully I never have to use it. My buddies lives on the border of Easton so when I go to see him this week Ill run over to Walmart. Never been into one that sold firearms and ammo so this should be a treat. lol.

All of the walmarts around me have stopped selling guns (I think last year they stopped carrying them), but they do still have ammo (probably only for a matter of time :cry: ). The Sports Authorities even stopped carrying guns around me! (and I don't even think that they sell ammo)

Wow, I remember when all the SA in Jersey carried all kinda of firearms and ammo. Looks like Monday night Ill headed over the border to Walmart then to Classic for abit with my buddy. Maybe my luck will kick in and my paperwork will be in Monday morning. That would be nice since its my last week of vacation and would like to spend some time at the range.

I was wondering if you guys could help me with a debate. Im looking into buying my first hand gun, never shot a handguun before either. My choices i think have been cut down to the Glock 26, Glock 40 cal (same size as the 26) and a S&W 9mm Mp something comes with a 3rd finger grip. These are just some of my preffered guns after shopping around for a week, im still going to do some looking arround at some other also but i want a concealable sized gun. any info, pointers, or suggestions would be nice!

Well like Ive found go and hold them and shoot them and find the one that feels the most comfortable to you. Ive probably rented about 7-8 guns in the last couple weeks trying to find the one I like the best and even tried some more then once to to be sure. The G26 with the pinky extension is a great gun but what I dont like the lack of safetys for concealed carry. Try finding a XD9 3" subcompact. Ive grown to love the XD series from Springfield. If you are looking for a full sized then the XD9 service model, the Sig P220/229/226, HK USP, Beretta 92FS. Glock 19. All great guns, just need to find what feels the best in your hand, comfortable shooting, and fits what you need it for. Come out to Classic one night. They have a bunch of handguns to rent and its 50 bucks for a rental, eye/ear protection, 100rds of ammo, 2 targets/backers, and the range time. I think its 15 bucks for every rental also. Lets you see what one you like the best. Are you looking for strickly a carry weapon or something to bring out to the range also? I would recommend 9mm if you plan on doing both on because of the cost of 40/45 cal ammo for range shooting is pricey compared to 9mm.


Anyone know if Classic lets you shoot .22 rimfire rifles? A buddy of mine wants to go but I know some places wont let you shoot rimfire guns

Im looking for strictly a carry weapon. Ill look into the XD9 also. Will classic rent a handgun to someone under 21? What do you think about the G26 and the G40cal? im leaning towards both of them because they seem to have an easier to carry ability over the S&W one i have looked at mainly because of weight.

No, to rent from Classic you have to be 21 IIRC. Also to legally own and carry you have to be 21 too. Im sure PAs law is the same as NJs. But between the couple of people that regularly post in here would have no problem meeting up with you and letting you try out what we own. Ok, so I dont own yet but Im praying my paperwork comes in this week then Ill have an XD9 and a G26 for you to try.

Im opinion of Glock is this. They are awesome guns but the lack of safetys in my eyes is what would keep me from making it a carry gun. I would personally pick a XD9 subcompact for a conceal carry gun. But thats just me. Its all different for each person. The different style holsters would allow for easy concealment of full frame handguns without discomfort. But again it all leads to what you like and comfortable with. Before you worry about carrying thou I would hold and shoot some guns. Maybe even take a firearms safety class. I know in NJ to get a CCW you need to have taken a safety class and a instructor led shooting class. Steve(ITSTOCK) showed me a good site. Glocktalk.com which has alot of info that might be helpful too.

the .40 subcomp. is the Glock 27. Goodfella already hit the points about holding and shooting guns first.

Now on to the safety thing...if you truly want a carry weapon, you don't want a safety. If you are ever in the situation of needing to defend yourself, a safety can get you killed. Fiddling with a safety in a desperate situation is not fun. Forgetting the safety is even worse. The only safety that a gun will ever need is the owner, and their trigger finger. If you aren't going to shoot the gun (whether you are taking a picture of yourself holding a gun :rolleyes: , showing someone a gun, etc), keep your finger off the trigger. It by no means should stop you from buying a Glock.

Most of the top concealable guns (mainly revolvers) lack that safety, and it's just one of the many items of what makes them the best cc guns out there. BUT, and it's a big BUT, if you don't feel comfortable buying a gun without a safety, it's your call. In that same sentence, it should say that you should put off carrying a gun until you feel comfortable with it also.

And yes, CP lets you shoot .22's (they are also one of the few indoor ranges that allow .17's :cool: )

I just wanna clear up when I say safety. I dont mean the normal switch type safety. Its why I like the XD series so much. Its has a good safety system that doesn't, in my eyes, limit you ability to use the weapon in a crisis situation. It seems to be a major debate all over on that topic from what Ive seen. This is what I mean with the XD and safety..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...eon732/xd9.jpg

I don't know why I like having that little piece of mind when I go to grab my firearm that as I remove it from the holster in a panic situation Im not running the small risk of shooting myself in the leg. Even the most skilled shooter runs a risk in a crisis of missing a step. At least in my opinion that little safety on the grip takes alittle less chance out of it. Im no expert by any means, Im just stating opinion here. I think a firearms safety class or a NRA firearms course would be a good idea to anyone wanting to get a CCW. Again, I think they are required anyway for the permit. I totally agree with Steve on alot of the points he hit. Trigger discipline is one of the major things anyone owning a gun should have. How many times do you see someone taking a picture of themselves with their finger inside of the guard? Treat every gun like its loaded, even when its not.

It's one more thing to fail on a weapon. I prefer no safeties at all. If you run the risk of shooting yourself in the leg, you are probably better off not carrying :lol: . I actually thought that the XD had a normal safety too, but I guess it doesn't! The HK P7 has the same safety as that (as do a lot of guns), and I suppose that assuming you are holding the gun properly, it's a pretty failsafe design. But again, just one more thing to go wrong. It's all a matter of personal preference, and I am just saying that I don't think one should NOT buy the Glock because of the lack of the safety. That's all. :cool: (Keep it simple, stupid....school of logic :cool: )

You're 100% correct that its all personal preference. I would never tell someone not to buy a Glock for that reason since Im purchasing one myself. Ive tried to keep everything Ive said strictly as my own opinion and let whomever make the choices on their own. If I ever get a CCW(now thats funny) I would probably carry whichever I felt comfortable with the most. Whether it be the XD or the Glock.

I'm going to buy something smaller, the G26 is still too big for summertime CCW. I can't find the right holster, just better off getting a smaller gun....until winter/spring when I wear looser clothing.

Some wanna help explain ammo grains? I keep seeing 124, 135, 147gr. Whats the difference? +P and +P+?

grain is how much power it is, the more grain the bigger the punch.

this weekend we had a big get together at my mntn house and i got the oppurtunity to shoot lots of guns

i shot a full size glock 17, i didnt like it that much, too big and the grip wasnt fat enuff
i shot a xd40, it was an awesome gun and comfy
shot my dads 9mm s&w sub compact, with rubber grips, very comfortable and alright accuracy
a snub nose 38 special, very small and i wouldnt rely to hit something more than 10 feet away accurately
a sig sauer 357 sig, it was heavy on top and metal, no composite, not the most comfortable but it had alot of punch and it was the most accurate gun i shot

i also finally shot my 17 varmit rifle, that gun is extrememly accurate and the velocity is nuts, hell of alot better than a .22

we had bullet proof glass samples from work and test them out, and all the bullets were stuck in it except a 30-06 snuck thru barely, a 357 mag and 357 sig didnt stand a chance, it cost around 400-500 bucks a square foot and is layered plastic composite material, it was pretty cool

That is incorrect. When you buy ammunition, the manufacturer supplies the grain weight of the projectile, or the actual bullet. So on my 9mm 135grain federal hydra-shoks, 135grain refers to the weight of the bullet itself. I don't know of any of the companies that actually state exact grain of the charge.

+p refers to ammo that is loaded at higher pressures than standard to some institute. +p+ is even higher. It's some percentage, like 10% higher pressure for the +p, and 35% higher for the +p+ (I DON'T KNOW EXACT %!! I'm just using those numbers as an example). It's a way of providing more power out of certain calibers/cartridges.

i always thought it was the weight of the bullet too, but someone said it wasnt, i guess i was right the first time

In deed, you were correct the first time. You can now tell that someone that they were wrong :wink: , although I'm sure he no longer cares (it's just no fun to see misinformation spread, which happens all too often on the internet!!).

That's pretty cool that you got to experiment with bullet proof glass also! I would have loved to try the 5.7 ammo with SS190 (which is the hottest of the 5.7 loads) and SS195 (which isn't quite as AP as the SS190, but can still go through any bulletproof vest up to III-a out of the p/s90, and "rumored" to penetrate most bulletproof glass).

some guy had 2 armor peircing 9mm bullets, we were gonna try to shoot the glass, but for some reason he let this other guy shoot, and he missed twice, i was pretty dissapointed

I found a website right after I posted that explained it abit. Im sure any of the p+/+p+ rounds arent really needed for target shooting. Im sure it makes a difference but would getting 145gr over 124gr for range shooting really matter? Ive got 124gr Hydra-Shoks for anyone stupid enough to break into my home. Right now thou all I can do is throw them at them. Which would be kinda funny. "Officer, this guy was throwing hollow points at me" hahahaha

It's usually the heavier the bullet, the more expensive. Stick with 124 grain. And no, +p/+p+ are certainly not needed for shooting paper!!!

124gr is what Ive been sticking with. It seems to get the job done.

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be back in an hour with the toys.

Congrats! How long after your second set of prints went out did it take? I applied for mine about three weeks ago and I'm anxiously waiting. I fully expect to wait another 3-4 weeks.

Another opinion question for you guys: My buddy is coming up from NC and wants to do some shooting. I'm located in South Jersey. Where would you recommend shooting. Rentals aren't important as we have a few handguns to bring out. It looks like Classic or Hagues. Any feelings on either one. Probably not much of a difference in drive time.

****in a. It took 4 weeks since my reprint and it was 4 weeks before that. So 8 total. My reference were quick about sending in their forms. But the FID card and 2 permits are sitting waiting til they clear the hold room. Of course when I went they had someone in lockup and I couldnt get my print taken for the back of the card. Im sitting here pacing waiting for the phonecall. Then to the one store to pick up the XD then to the other to pickup the G26. Then to the range to shoot my own guns for once. I mean I waited 2 months, you'd think I could wait an hour so no....nope.

I would recommend Classic. Either that or the range at Fort Dix I think is open to the public. http://www.nrahq.org/shootingrange/f...l.asp?State=NJ
is a full listing of NJ shooting ranges. Just call to make sure its a public range and not a private club.

Plus, lighter rounds = less recoil = easier to shoot more of.

First, congrats goodfella! Damn that took a while! :eek: What are NJ's carrying laws?


I feel like the bad news bear, but this is also incorrect. Recoil depends on the mass of the powder and/or velocity also. Although manufacturers don't give the powder specifications, most do give the velocity. If you compare velocity, say that a 124 and 135 grain bullet are both 1300fps, the heavier grain bullet, or the 135 grain, is going to give more recoil (or at least felt recoil). However, for a quick example since it's what I use in my G26 for self defense, I have 135 low recoil hydra-shoks. The velocity is considerably lower, and the recoil is actually more comparable to winchester white box 115 grain JHP, compared to a 124 grain hydra-shok. So a lighter round does not automatically=less recoil.

I just wanted to clear that up :wink:

true, if you want to get detailed. But with y'all talking walmart ammo, I didn't think a technical dissertation was in order :lol:

NJ's carrying laws make it impossible. I have even heard of retired police officers having a hard time getting one.
Best bet is probably to get a Florida permit and then use their reciprocity agreement to carry in PA, DE, VA and other states. Sadly it will pretty much never happen in Jersey.

I plan on getting a FL CCW being its valid in 27 different states without being a FL resident. Gotta love the reciprocity states. But to the bad news...

MY F-ING PERMITS ARE SITTING ON THE DESK BUT I CANT GET MY THUMB PRINT BECAUSE SOME ASSHOLE WANTED TO SHOPLIFT TODAY!!! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

So tomorrow Im going and not leaving without it. Ill bring my own damn ink pad. I just can't win.

I have been reading up on the FL CCW permit as well and plan on doing the same once mine comes back. You'll have to let me know how the process is, have you done any of the required "training". I'm sure you've seen this site regarding attaining the permit...

http://www.anjrpc.org/Right%20to%20Carry/RTCRS_Home.htm

Good luck tomorrow.

Yeah once I take one of the shooting classes Im gonna do that.

Anyone for Classic or a NJ range tomorrow? Doesnt matter where.

im down for classic tomorrow. anyone else?

I'll be there tomorrow night, girlfriend wants to try the newer gun. :roll: SO much for my practice time.

BTW, New Jersey doesn't honor that permit IIRC.