Anyone heard about this yet? New Jersey man sentenced to 7 years for simply transporting his handguns while moving.

http://reason.com/archives/2010/11/1...tkens-mistake/

His mother should be beaten with a bar of soap neatly placed in a sock. Sucks for him...but this is why I stay outta Nazi Jersey with my guns.

I'll show up if there will be midget strippers.

yup, saw that on PAFOA. Absolutely sickening. :mad::(:bigeek:

Have not been on here for a long time. Shot 3 gun and some tactical pistol the last few months. Picked up a couple 1911's, another Sig 229 and this weekend a Glock 36. Anyone else on here shoot any sort of matchs? I really want to try uspsa or Idpa next year.

So I decided to get a 20" Repr....best price I found is $3,480 shipped to my ffl for one in black. Anyone know of anyone cheaper? I would love a desert tan model but it's not a deal breaker. Any help would be appreciated!
-Mike

Never noticed this thread before! Pretty cool. I only own 2 guns, and Ive never fired either.

One is a .22 cal bolt action rifle. I don't recall the name, it's very old, I think from the 30's and is single shot only. Trappers gun probably.

My other is my prized possession, it's a German Kar 98k used in WWII. It has a ton of markings. It was made in 1941, and has markings of the Nazi symbol with the eagle in various spots. It also has other markings, particularly under the bolt, and to me they look asian. I'm not sure what is up with that, maybe numbers or something that became distorted but well who knows. I believe the gun was issued to a soldier who served in Africa/Italy at some point as my great grandfather is the one who took it home and that is where he served. I don't think it has a firing pin anymore.

I'll get pictures up and find out the details of the .22 once I'm home again and not at school for you guys.

Post some pics of the 98.....I love seeing GI bring backs!

I read that entire article and I just can't believe it. I drive from Pa through NJ and NY with my gun in my trunk quite often and I make sure to do all of the same things he did...

I may just leave the gun in Vermont where I know I'm safe...

Definitely will! It'll be sometime next week or this weekend, when I'm home again. Mind you it's not in perfect condition but I'll take a bunch of all the goods.

olletsocmit:

It's your choice whether you want to conceal or carry openly but if you decide to open carry or if someone gets a glimpse in public, it doesn't matter what other people think. Let 'em give you looks. You're superior because you choose to take responsibility for your own safety and they do not. F*** 'em.

This really confuses me. Why do you lock it up if you're going into a bank? Banks are not prohibited areas. You can carry anywhere you want. If you're worried about unwanted attention just remember that concealed means concealed. There are lots of people who even open carry into their local banks on a daily basis. When you start waiving it around and firing into the ceiling, then there's a problem. lol

The 'around kids' thing really bothers me. Of course if it's just how you feel then by all means do what you like, but really... you actually remove the gun if you're going to be around kids? I know you don't mean it to sound like it at all, but that mindset is very 'anti-gun'... it's one of the antis main talking points. Firearms do not have minds of their own. They don't grow arms and legs and climb out of holsters and go on shooting sprees all by themselves. They don't "go off" and they aren't inherently unsafe. A user chooses to present the weapon and pull the trigger. Simply being around kids is no reason to remove the gun. I actually wrestle around on the ground with my friend's kids all the time while carrying. Of course their safety if always on my mind, but it's not dangerous just being around them or even being a little rough. It's a quality holster with positive retention and your own self awareness and control of your own gun that keeps it in the holster and safe.

It sounds to me like you carry without a holster. Hopefully you don't. If you do, get a high quality holster ASAP or else stop carrying.

..and yes, I always carry with a round in the chamber. Load the mag to capacity, chamber a round, then drop the mag and top it off. It's dangerous to carry without a round in the chamber. It's been covered many times in many places (even in this thread a few times), but basically... if you carry without a round in the chamber then you're putting yourself at risk.

Click some of the links in post #2 in this thread and then read the responses. You'll quickly be convinced that it's stupid to not carry "+1": http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...-one-hole.html

Also, for general reference, read these:

http://paopencarry.org/pdfs/Pennsylvania_Gun_Rights.pdf

http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...nsylvania.html

my offer still stands if your interested in an 18" model... i have leupold glass on it and a harris with two stock options!

Dave - I knew the Talons were a joke. lol. A conversation piece more than anything I'm sure. Whenever I see the words "Black Talon" I instantly got pissed at the gun-grabbers' "but.. but.. they're COP KILLERS!!" bulls*** lol. Some people are just plain retarded.

thats why i got them, the negative light they had cast on them immediately has people say "ZOMG HOWD YOU GET THOSE!)!)!!11!11!1" i think i may be shooting at wicens saturday if anyone is up for it, i wanna stretch the legs on the REPR and get the dragunov out, havent shot it in probably 2 years

i dont think open carry has anything to do with taking responsibility for your own safety, i NEVER OC and i probably never will (except at the range) it is completely a personal preference, to me i would rather have my firearm concealed and not get looks, stopped and asked questions, it just seems like a hassle and unnecessary (flame away)

olletsocmit, at the end of the day it is whatever makes you comfortable, IF you do decide to OC PLEASE for your sake and the sake of other carrying members of the public, be well versed in the law and print out a few flyers from PAopencarry.org

heres a linkhttp://paopencarry.org/pdfs/Pennsylvania_Gun_Rights.pdf


olletsocmit For the love of god do not carry a firearm without a holster. i love my desantis cozy partners, even convinced DC2.2 to get one haha. if you cant afford a holster i have a spare nylon desantis that should fit your sub glock (i keep my G36 sitting in it but could throw the glock in the safe) i would give it to ya for the cost of shipping or you can come pick it up.

God forbid you are gangsta' carrying and your gun falls out in the market, intersection, etc. everyone loses (but mainly you and other gun enthusiasts, thats the type of **** that antis LOVE and will use to illegitimize (real word??) us as a whole)


i would not say its dangerous, more stupid than anything. If you think you can rack a round and get on target (while making sure of what is BEHIND your target) in the amount of time it takes someone to get to you from a distance you would reasonably be defending yourself, you are insane.

When i first started carrying (for the first few days) i carried w/o a round in the pipe... it just made me more comfortable as far as holstering and unholstering, getting used to carrying in general, etc.

I am sorry guys, I did not make it very clear before... I DO use a holster. It is just one that holsters the gun inside my pants.

here is a pic of what i use:
http://stores.vtfireandpolice.com/catalog/810_large.jpg

I'm in. It's a hike, but hey.. I don't do a damn thing on the weekends anyway. lol. Shooting pistols too or just the long guns? I guess I have to get a range safety thinger for each range right?

I tend to think the same way you do about open carry, even though I OC once in a while for the hell of it. My point I was trying to make to him is that if anyone wants to give him crap because he OCs or someone gets a peek while he's CCing, (more likely) then in my opinion I say f*** their opinions - regardless of how he chooses to carry, he's choosing to be responsible and be able to defend himself and they are not.

Speaking of Glocks..

http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/

Sorry, but I'm not sure that's the right attitude. Being considerate of others is one of the things that will work HUGELY in our favor. (besides it just being kind of a "humanly" thing to do, the 'ol golden rule and all :wink:)

If you have the option of either: a)brushing off anyone's feelings (regardless of whether they're legitimate or not - I tend to think feelings are feelings and are always legitimate) who expresses discomfort with your carry method... or, b)offering them a flyer and simply explaining that what you are doing is 100% legal and wishing them a nice day, I'd recommend leaning towards (b) as much as possible.

Sure, some people are just dicks and will never change their minds but they're in the minority. The vast majority of people who don't know about guns are mostly just curious. They may have insecurities and misconceptions that cause them to initially react negatively but the absolute worst thing you could do would be to just mumble something and ignore them.

I feel that with the way guns are currently portrayed in the media (evil incarnate - except in the movies :roll::furious::bs:) that choosing to OC includes the responsibility of being an "ambassador" of sorts for the law-abiding gun community. Of course, this is all just my sometimes-not-so-humble opinion, so take it FWIW. But as the saying goes, you can catch more bees with honey... :afro:

uhhh, yeah... don't do that. :eek:

Seriously, I thought that was common knowledge among PA gun owners. Methinks someone needs to do some lurking and reading over on PAFOA...

another life potentially ruined by the friendly gun-hating ****hole called NJ:
http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-d...or_having.html
(my father-in-law actually went to the jury selection for this trial and was dismissed because he told the judge he has a son-in-law and daughter who live in PA that carry guns and he doesn't think there's anything wrong with having them lol)

Basically your life depends on your knowledge of the laws if you own a gun. Innocent guys who've done nothing but POSSESS a gun are the only people they seem to actually make "examples" of. The multiple-convicted felons always get the plea bargains. :furious::furious::furious::furious:

ive never been there so we will be getting those range dealies together (my buddy jons gonna come too, you met him at the last shoot) i'll bring pistols, probably just my 1911 unless you have anything else you want me to bring. not sure if the PS90 would be fun there but we'll bring it for ****s and giggles probably.

agreed, i would say mail it to yourself... seriously.

Although olletsocmit only said something about people looking at him funny, I'm not talking about the people who give funny looks or ask questions or even the ones who express a little discomfort. Those people haven't turned off their brains yet, they're just reacting the way they've been conditioned to act. They don't know any better and in some cases are even able to actually produce a rational thought for themselves and develop an opinion that they can articulate and hold a conversation about. Those are the people that will take and maybe even read a PAFOA or open carry flyer. I've talked to a few people like this when OCing and they were all cool with it once I explained even a few small details about OC.

I'm talking specifically about people like the Best Buy stalker here (and all the PPD involved as well) and the guy who harassed this girl. Those people have turned off their brains a long time ago. They don't care if it's legal, they don't care if you're not a criminal, all they care about is the fact that they hate guns and you have a gun so they hate you by default. No matter what made them the way they are, there's no reasoning with those people. At a certain point it must become "F*** off, it's legal and I'll carry how I'd like", no matter if it's said in those words exactly or in a more polite way.

Again though, personally I'm not really all about open carry in my daily routine.. it's just not for me. I might OC like 2% of the times that I carry. I'm not really into the attention I get once in a while even though most people are too numbed to even look around them and see someone carrying a gun. I'm just very much for the right to do so if I want.

Hey anything you feel like stuffing into the car is fine with me. lol. I don't expect to shoot much and I sure don't have to shoot at all. As far as I'm concerned I'm cool with just coming to watch and hang out. I know you said you're cool with ammo usage as long as no one takes advantage, but I really don't have the cash flow to do much compensating for rounds that I throw downrange so I'll just keep it to a minimum. lol. I feel bad shooting a lot and then just saying "uhh.. you can shoot my boring carry gun if you want" haha. I'll shoot my M&P if we head to the pistol range but it's no big deal if we don't.

Honestly I haven't done sh** for like a month so I'm all about getting out of the house and just smelling some burnt powder :mrgreen:

dont be ridiculous, ill bring at LEAST 150 rounds of 308 and if you interested in the dragunov 1000-2000 rounds (crates were cheap at VFGC haha) I dont need any money. believe it or not i DID like shooting your carry gun last time, it was the first M&P i'd ever shot and I liked it a lot.

Ill bring a deck of cards for the pistol range and we can try some of the new games ive been working on (assuming they are as cool as CPI), its lots of fun! If theres anywhere out near you with some distance id be willing to make the trip out that way, i dont really like the idea of having to "qualify" to shoot at a range (wicens) but i also hate the SGLs 3 round limit... catch 22 i suppose.

Let me know what you'd be up for and ill be there... id really like to find somewhere with 200-600 yards, wicens is only 100.

Missed the XD Thought that was a big ass smiley face.





Does any of this hold any weight?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_ca..._United_States

Hahaa

LOL...

Wiki doesn't really ever hold weight ;) ... but the info presented in that particular wiki seems to be pretty good.

So you would say regarding legality of open carrying it is permitted in PA?

Open carry is most definitely permitted by law in PA. The only exception other than the obvious Federal buildings and whatnot would be in a city of the first class, i.e., Philadelphia, in which one would need to possess a License to Carry Firearms in order to legally open carry.

Woah back up a second, I thought to carry at all, you need to have license to carry. Are you saying without a license at all I could open carry, unless I am in Philly which I will need a license?

yes that is exactly right.

If you are on foot, and not traveling in a vehicle (you can't put the gun in the trunk and then when you get to your destination take it out and holster it unless you meet one of the listed exemptions, ie: traveling to and from a range, gun shop, gunsmith, etc.) you may carry openly without any license or permit unless you are in a city of the first class (of which there is only one in PA - Philly). You need a LTCF if you want to open carry in Philly

That is very interesting, I did not know that. Chances are cops will give you **** though right? How would you do this though in the winter when wearing a coat? The coat would cover it and it would be concealed at that point.

You guys hear btw on Preston and Steve, A truck dealership in another state boosted its truck sales by giving a free AK47 with each purchase?

You wouldn't be able to open carry and have a coat on. Thats why 99% of us just get out LTCF just so we don't have to deal with any stuff like that.

I'm currently in the market for a scope to put on my Mosin Nagant. I'm looking to spend in the $150-$250 range. I'll be shooting 95% at 100 yards or less with a few shoots out to 200 yards. I'm not really sure what zoom scope I want as all I currently own rifle wise is a .22 with a 3-9x scope from the factory on it. Can anyone reccomend some scopes to look at and what zoom range they fell is necessary for the range I will be shooting. This gun will probably never be used for hunting. Just want a scope that will hold up and let me see the holes in a target at 100 yards. If anyone can speak from experience with a certian scope that would be awesome. Currently I've been looking at a few scopes from Mueller and Vortex.

Cops will and often do give people **** for OCing... problem is anything more than a mere "encounter" with the police and your rights have been violated. If you are merely OCing and you are detained by the police, have your weapon confiscated, LTCF demanded, etc., various courts have already ruled it's a violation of your 4th and 5th amendment rights and is grounds for a civil suit against the arresting officers. Police need to have something called "RAS" (reasonable, articulable suspicion) that a crime is or is about to be committed in order to detain/investigate/demand ID from someone.

If you are harassed or detained by police for OCing, you have won what is referred to in tighter circles as "the OC lottery".

Most recent example:
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...-carry-lawsuit

drop-leg holster. :mrgreen:

http://www.tacticalandhuntinggear.ne..._holster22.jpg

they did this last year as well and the anti-gun media raised holy hell about it. Of course no one who got one of the rifles has gone on any shooting sprees as of yet. :roll:

BTW, it's not an AK47. A real AK47 is a fully-automatic assault rifle. The rifles this dealer is giving away (and the so-called "AK47"s owned by thousands of law abiding US citizens) are in fact semi-automatic variants using the same basic platform as the AK. I'd bet my bottom dollar the rifles this guy is giving away are the cheaply produced and widely distributed Romanian semi-auto AK clones referred to as WASR-10s.

That is true, habbit since I normally only talk about real ones with my friends, especially since full auto is a big hassle to get a license for in the US

It's actually very easy, just very expensive to purchase a transferable auto or a transferable auto sear that you can install in a regular semi-auto gun. You only need a signature from your local CLEO (i.e. - police chief) and $200 for the tax stamp and a few months wait for the BATFE to process your paperwork. There's no license required for Full auto, suppressors, short barreled rifles/shotguns, 'AOW's (Any Other Weapon), etc.

Read this: http://forum.pafoa.org/nfa-class-3-t...ppressors.html

I'd love to get one of those for my XDM..

Edit... found one...

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemD...px?sku=TAC-125