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97TurboDSM 09-17-2008 07:27 PM

AC are nasty in speedball, fast and super quiet.

PUREKDM 09-17-2008 07:42 PM

spyder electra with the electronic rocking trigger frame....AMAZING, cheap, easy to work on, TONS of aftermarket stuff for it

97TurboDSM 09-17-2008 07:46 PM

meh every spyder i've seen murders paint like theres no tomorrow.

abrok99 09-17-2008 07:51 PM

i had a spyder imagine that never did and i averaged 22bp's( or what ever they are) back in the day

Keeper1343 09-17-2008 07:59 PM

bps doesn't mean ****... i know people that can take you out with single shot. I personally think woodsball takes more skill rather then just running around like a bunch of animals wasting paint.

phsdrummer2 09-17-2008 08:35 PM

Alright let me cut straight to the point now that I'm getting the chance to post.

If your planning to start / play on a competition level paintball team do not buy any of the following.

-Autococker of any kind (i will explain)
-Tippman of any kind (i will explain)
-Spyder of any kind

First off you should know I worked at Cobra Command Paintball in Hatfield, PA for 4 years as a Referee and sales assistant. I used to play on teams and I have played with / taught many kids who have gone on to play at much higher levels from the area.

I personally own multiple Autococker's I love the guns to death. However, in the world of tournament paintball today the rules on firing modes and sensitivity are incredibly high. Mechanical autocockers while extremely accurate do not have the Rate of Fire required to keep up with all the kids whose parent fund their top of the line gun fetish.

Most people will attempt to refute this fact by telling you to put an EFrame on a cocker. While this solves the Rate of Fire issue most every E-Cocker i have ever seen has shortly become prone to mechanical "bounce" problems. For those who don't know, bounce is the process in which the marker fires without another full stroke of the trigger. Bounce can either be mechanical from the recoil or sensitivity of the trigger, or it can be electronic due to the settings you have programed on the board. Either way, bounce is illegal in all tournament circuits and will get you gun banned for the day and your team penalized points.

I will never, ever argue that the Tippman is not the most reliable paintball marker ever made. It is true that you can run them over with a car/truck/steam roller, and they will still work (I've personally done the first 2 and played with the marker after.) The problem with them in the tournament setting is their length and weight. The weight although not terrible does not condone quick hand switches to shoot out either side of a bunker. The length hampers this as well. The length does not allow you to play very tight to the bunker compared to other markers. When the unfortunate event occurs that you are down markers and all the fire is coming on you, you need to be able to play tight to avoid being eliminated from increasing firing angles. You would much rather force them to come bunker you then go down looking.

Spyders just tend to be un-reliable they are good for recreational play but when you are looking at practicing a couple of times a week they just don't cut it. Spyders that you see on the tournament circuits are not true spyders they are Spimmy's, that is a Spyder with all Intimidator parts. I have shot many of these which were owned by Bad Company and they were amazing, nothing even close to the spyders I own.

My greatest suggestion to you would be to find out when your local fields team practices are then go out and talk to the guys, paintballers are some of the chillest people you will ever meet at least until you get them on the field. If you ask they will tell you whatever you want to know about the multiple markers they each own. Most will even let you put some paint through it to see how it shoots. For the most parts markers are always for sale at the field check out Pbnation classifieds and then take that knowledge to the field. You can pick up a really good used marker for a couple hundred bucks.

I can pretty much guarantee if its being shot on a team practice day, as long as its a good field, its a marker that's going to keep you competitive.

I hope this has given you a little bit of help if you want any more info about anything let me know and if i dont know the answer i can get the answer for you.

abrok99 09-17-2008 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keeper1343 (Post 1045652)
bps doesn't mean ****... i know people that can take you out with single shot. I personally think woodsball takes more skill rather then just running around like a bunch of animals wasting paint.

i wasnt saying that you couldnt take me out i was just saying the person who post above me posted spyders chop and i was just saying mine never did and at 22bps your more likely to chop

woodsball is terrible i think its so boring speedball you need more skill than sitting next to a tree sniping...:o

abrok99 09-17-2008 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phsdrummer2 (Post 1045705)
Alright let me cut straight to the point now that I'm getting the chance to post.

If your planning to start / play on a competition level paintball team do not buy any of the following.

-Autococker of any kind (i will explain)
-Tippman of any kind (i will explain)
-Spyder of any kind

First off you should know I worked at Cobra Command Paintball in Hatfield, PA for 4 years as a Referee and sales assistant. I used to play on teams and I have played with / taught many kids who have gone on to play at much higher levels from the area.

I personally own multiple Autococker's I love the guns to death. However, in the world of tournament paintball today the rules on firing modes and sensitivity are incredibly high. Mechanical autocockers while extremely accurate do not have the Rate of Fire required to keep up with all the kids whose parent fund their top of the line gun fetish.

Most people will attempt to refute this fact by telling you to put an EFrame on a cocker. While this solves the Rate of Fire issue most every E-Cocker i have ever seen has shortly become prone to mechanical "bounce" problems. For those who don't know, bounce is the process in which the marker fires without another full stroke of the trigger. Bounce can either be mechanical from the recoil or sensitivity of the trigger, or it can be electronic due to the settings you have programed on the board. Either way, bounce is illegal in all tournament circuits and will get you gun banned for the day and your team penalized points.

I will never, ever argue that the Tippman is not the most reliable paintball marker ever made. It is true that you can run them over with a car/truck/steam roller, and they will still work (I've personally done the first 2 and played with the marker after.) The problem with them in the tournament setting is their length and weight. The weight although not terrible does not condone quick hand switches to shoot out either side of a bunker. The length hampers this as well. The length does not allow you to play very tight to the bunker compared to other markers. When the unfortunate event occurs that you are down markers and all the fire is coming on you, you need to be able to play tight to avoid being eliminated from increasing firing angles. You would much rather force them to come bunker you then go down looking.

Spyders just tend to be un-reliable they are good for recreational play but when you are looking at practicing a couple of times a week they just don't cut it. Spyders that you see on the tournament circuits are not true spyders they are Spimmy's, that is a Spyder with all Intimidator parts. I have shot many of these which were owned by Bad Company and they were amazing, nothing even close to the spyders I own.

My greatest suggestion to you would be to find out when your local fields team practices are then go out and talk to the guys, paintballers are some of the chillest people you will ever meet at least until you get them on the field. If you ask they will tell you whatever you want to know about the multiple markers they each own. Most will even let you put some paint through it to see how it shoots. For the most parts markers are always for sale at the field check out Pbnation classifieds and then take that knowledge to the field. You can pick up a really good used marker for a couple hundred bucks.

I can pretty much guarantee if its being shot on a team practice day, as long as its a good field, its a marker that's going to keep you competitive.

I hope this has given you a little bit of help if you want any more info about anything let me know and if i dont know the answer i can get the answer for you.

read all of this this guy def. knows what he's talking about...do what he said go to your local field hangout with some kids they will tell you everything you need to know...

tooslow1 09-17-2008 09:01 PM

go with smartparts... either the ion or eos... very cheap VERY VERY reliable. cant go wrong with them

OMGz Turbo 09-17-2008 09:11 PM

ion and eos are both good setup's btw. ill second it

max2moon17 09-17-2008 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willdue (Post 1045467)
Max, PM me the info. I MAY have a gun by then, but I have no team?

I most likely going to get a Autococker since i will be doing mainly speedball. Im just trying to get a decently priced on ebay

Edit: And i really dont care what it looks like really.

im pretty sure i can make some arrangements so you can be on my team. by the way if you live in lancaster you can come over to my house if you want and practice. i usually get a game or practice in at least once a month. there is 3 acres of woods for you to practice in my backyard

Willdue 09-17-2008 09:32 PM

Thanks PHS!!! Ill take all that info. Although im really diggin the AC. I will never get a Spyder, I had an spyder imagine and that thing broke more balls then it shot.

Ill most likely be getting an AC if i find a nice deal.

I will keep an open mind on this though.

And max. I dont live in lancaster but im def gunna try and get to that comp. So bein on a team just for the experience would be cool.

abrok99 09-17-2008 09:38 PM

check your pm's

Willdue 09-17-2008 09:46 PM

I did :)

Willdue 09-17-2008 10:09 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/WGP-Trilogy-Spor...QQcmdZViewItem

PUREKDM 09-17-2008 10:13 PM

take my spyder electra for a day of fun....i PROMISE you won't look back...haha i'm not going to be THAT KID that just likes his kind because everything that was stated in here is true but my electra would shoot in the high teens or low 20's bps and shoot straight and consistent hopper after hopper...i've found that every gun has paint that it likes, and doesn't like....i found the kind my gun likes and i've been in many tournies with it

abrok99 09-17-2008 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PUREKDM (Post 1045818)
take my spyder electra for a day of fun....i PROMISE you won't look back...haha i'm not going to be THAT KID that just likes his kind because everything that was stated in here is true but my electra would shoot in the high teens or low 20's bps and shoot straight and consistent hopper after hopper...i've found that every gun has paint that it likes, and doesn't like....i found the kind my gun likes and i've been in many tournies with it

yeh there are some spyders that are factory freaks mine was great never had a problem always shot consistant but then there are others that chop the **** out balls hehe

Willdue 09-17-2008 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PUREKDM (Post 1045818)
take my spyder electra for a day of fun....i PROMISE you won't look back...haha i'm not going to be THAT KID that just likes his kind because everything that was stated in here is true but my electra would shoot in the high teens or low 20's bps and shoot straight and consistent hopper after hopper...i've found that every gun has paint that it likes, and doesn't like....i found the kind my gun likes and i've been in many tournies with it

haha Jordan, let me borrow it! Or sell it to me cheap haha

PUREKDM 09-17-2008 10:20 PM

done...i just gotta find it....i have EVERYTHING and i'd probably sell it ALL for like $250 or less

Willdue 09-17-2008 10:25 PM

Go less, less lol.


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