My old mans Glock isn't a test. It wasn't cleaned because simply put, it did not HAVE to be cleaned. It really is that simple. No sense in "fixing something that isn't broken". You lube it up every now and then and that's it. People that clean their guns excessively SHOW in the condition of the gun. Wash your car too much, and you start wearing off the paint. Same idea. Over-cleaning often tends to be far worse than under-cleaning.

I do clean my guns (for the most part) rather regularly though, about every 1000 rounds. However, I do not think that the G17 pictured would be in "better condition". In fact, it would be in most likely, much worse condition. That's about as clean as you can get for ANY 20 year old, 40,000+round gun. Start looking around, and you will quickly realize that!

I can't shoot full size glocks for ****! I absolutely SUCK with them and would never personally own one. The only glocks that I am comfortable shooting are the subcompacts, which I love.

Congrats on the AR purchase, however, I have not read any good reviews on the olympic arms AR's compared to most others. They are generally regarded as bottom tier ar15's. A Stag is the same price and much more reliable, and higher thought of.

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=359891

If you search around the shops a bit more, you can pay just slightly more and get a gun that also gives you quality customer support...not to mention quality finish and mil-spec parts. Also, another option is checking out the bargain bin AR thread in the equipment exchange at AR15.com. $570 for a like new rifle....and some saying new, is just about impossible to beat.

i agree with over cleaning, but i sure as hell wouldnt run a bore snake down the barrel and oil it and wipe off oils from your hands.
i just know from experience if you store a shotgun after a hunt, even without shooting it, if you dont wipe it down there will be rust on the barrel.

Was it the ergonomics? The amount of composite plastic in the body? Not small enough?

I know they used to have issues with the frame cracking... but they supposedly fixed that with the V3 release.

We are talking about a GLOCK, which means that the entire barrel and slide (as well as most all other internal parts, I think the guide rod is the only part that doesn't undergo the treatment, that's on older models, not sure if new ones do or don't) have undergone the tennifer treatment. Rust on a Glock is rare, no matter what the circumstances (not to say it doesn't happen at all).

XD's use a similar process, melonite, and I think the M&P's also undergo the melonite process.

what about hk? are they the same?

It's not the "SAME", but the USP's undergo a similar process. It's called the hostile environment finish. The tennifer process is generally known to be the most durable finish available, and the melonite process is the most similar to tennifer. The hostile environment finish is similar, but not as close as tennifer and melonite. It's still an EXTREMELY durable, rust/corrosion resistant "finish". They are all forms of nitrocarburization.

And this should be here on Tuesday or Wednesday (goes out tomorrow, priority mail from ohio), my 9mm AR upper...

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3923/ar025fr9.jpg

It's got a 9" 3 lug barrel, ready for an HK MP5 3 lug style suppressor. I "might" end up switching out the 9" barrel for a 5", but I'll decide when I actually get it. I still need one more part to use my existing pistol lower, and I'm going to eventually buy a different pistol lower so I can keep my existing 5.56 setup. Once this is done, there won't be anymore guns this year.


And Den9, when you are ready to buy a USP, make sure you price shop.

so wait do you guys recommend cleaning your gun after every use or no?

depends on the gun, ak47.... no, you can bury it in mud for a year, dig it up and it'll fire the same as the day you got it! a glock, i would absolutely clean it after every session.

I clean mine after around 1k rounds.

My Mosin, I clean all the time due to surplus ammo being corrosive (possibly).

It's definitely overkill to clean the glock after every single session, if you are only shooting a couple hundred rounds. Besides, you can bury the glock in mud and it's going to have the same result as the ak...bang. Most would even argue that the glock would hold up better.


Broken5hift, if you clean the gun properly, depending on the gun (you might as well clean your hunting rifles/shotguns, trap guns, after every use), after every 500-1000 rounds or so, or every couple of months, you're good to go. There is no NEED to completely clean a gun after every 100 rounds :lol: .

You do that too!!, i knew i wasn't the only one :) lol

my glock has jammed before on me and i only shoot winchester ammo through it... the ak we shoot wolf through all day and has never jammed... or been cleaned.

And plenty of AK's have gone KABOOM also. If your glock jams more than once in its life with all stock parts, sell it. If you are using anything that didn't come from glock, that's probably why it jammed.

ITSTOCK, I went with a STAG instead of an Olympic Arms. Should be at my FFL next week sometime. The STAG was about $100 more which isn't bad.

Very VERY smart! I love all of my stags, and very rarely, if EVER will you hear about problems with them! They are top notch guns, and some of the most accurate (budget) out of the box ar's that there are!

And I took a few pictures of the new toy....it's on my old ar pistol lower for now. The new one will be here within the next week or two.

I would certainly clean mine after every use. Rust begins to build up in 24 hours. Its easy to do, it doesnt consume much time, and my life isnt worth risking just because "i dont HAVE to clean it after every use and it will still fire." Id rather not be possibly putting myself in that predicament. Also i appreciate the fact that guns are precisely machined weapons; therefore i have no good reason to be additional unneccesary abuse on it. Also a gun that is sub par maintainced, just like a ca,r would be liable to loosing resale value more quickly.

lol, I just posted a 20 year old/40,000 round gun, 10 years/15,000 of which have gone uncleaned, and there is zero rust on the gun....and very little carbon build up and dirt (for a daily carried/fired gun). :screwy:

I've seen and heard of paranoid gun owners, but paranoid OCD like cleaning is just unnecessary! If your gun doesn't work when it's a little dirty, you might want to consider a new gun to "risk your life with". Like I stated before, if it's an occasional shooter, a trap gun, a hunting gun, something of that nature, sure, clean it after every use (which happens to be relatively rare).

And there is a difference between not ridiculously over cleaning a gun, yet keeping it slightly oiled, compared to "not taking care of a car. Different strokes for different folks! I'll continue to clean mine when they need cleaning, not just because. You can take care of your guns as you see fit.

A wise man once said, "My gun will fire all day wet and dirty. It can be clean as a whistle and dry, and she's not going to go bang.".

Haha i agree with you, but im on the otherside of the fence. I carry a glock to and i love it for those reasons. There are plenty of theories/philosophies(i.e. is it bad to dry fire a gun) out there, just take into consideration what your purposes are and research whats out there and do whatever you think suits your needs best.