Man I opened up a can of WORMS! Can we all just get along? :partyman:

[quote="LSHatch"]
Ok so you buddy is popular, whats your point?
There is no "block" in a rotary motor, there are housings, rotors and the e shaft, and other small parts.
A website told you the motor weighed 400 lbs. It's very nice of you to give a link, or show some proof of some kind. But again as I said earlier your going off of what other people say, I'm going off of what ive seen, felt and done.

Man I'm enjoying myself, but it seems that lshatch has his panties in a bunch. :rofl:

BTW good luck with the swap

No no no no, you're all wrong, it is MY penis that is the biggest. :finga: :banana:

your mother was a lizard, and v8 7's ARE gay.

Point is that people know what he is capable of and the he is not just some idiot. You understood completely what I meant by block, so don't try to make a smart ass comment.

I could give a link, but that means having to go back, look for it, copy it, and then recopy it here. Way too much work for me.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I could care less about this thread. I'm just keeping it going. We both have only posted opinions either way. I like the V8 swap, you don't. You posted why you don't and I posted why I do.

Yea I guess since no one has made an LS1 RX7 susp setup then it must not be possible :roll:

No one gives a **** about your narrow minded opinion. Keep it to yourself nex time you feel like craping on someones goals for thier project.

hey d0uchebag. this thread was started asking for opinions. unless you have something worth contributing to this thread, dont waste the bandwidth w/ your pitiful attempt at bashing me.

i never said a proper suspension couldnt be made. i said that engineers/companies have spent big money finding what works w/ an rx7. if someone (not a company. just an everyday someone) wanted to be as effective as possible w/ there supsension for a v8 7, it would be nearly impossible to do SERIOUS testing. for example, having springs made w/ custom rates isnt cheap, so test and tuning this way is sorta out of the question.

You should have stated your point earlier, "not just say I have a buddy who did the swap and people here are friends with him"

I'm sorry your too lazy to put up a link, and show any kind of proof of what you said.

Obviously you care enough about this thread to keep it going.

You posted your opinoins, and then I shot them down and posted my own opinions which are still standing. haha

And about ot caring about this thread, I stated a long time ago I could care less what the original poster does with his car. He asked for opinions and I posted my opinions and dispelled the opinions like yours based on myths.

I hate to be a prick here, but stock T2's came with either steel or aluminum hoods. But being a fellow FC owner, I love the rotary engine. I think Mazda put it in there for a reason. And people think rotaries are unreliable because they sometimes aren't properly maintained. Rotary engines require specific care and maintenance. With the proper care, a rotary can last just as long as a piston engine.

I don't need to justify myself to some kids on the internet. I don't care, it doesn't effect my life whatsoever.

I don't care about this thread. I keep it going, that doesn't mean I give two ****s about it. Unlike "Mr. let me make personal attacks at people over the internet." I'm not getting butt hurt over this like some of you.

Yes, your opinions are standing, while mine are also.

My opinions based on myth? Hahahahha. I guess so.

Hahahahahhahahahaahahahahahah!!!!!!!

weren't all T2 hoods AL?? maybe i was misinformed there
N/A hoods could be either steel or AL though pending on model or whatever.

funny how talking about engineering changes in the FC, I was replacing my calipers and upgrading to some SS lines yesterday and talking about putting in the DTSS eliminators, and that started a nice big discussion about changing the engineers initial plans and whatnot, but the DTSS mod is a fairly common one that really does throw a whole lot of engineering to waste.
It was a good thing I could laugh about it as a mechanical engineer too, that some stupid schmuck can take this hardcore complex tri-axial floating hub I could design and make it go to waste with a $40 bushing lol :finga:

Whenever you modify a car you are basically changing a lot that the original engineers set it as, so if anyone complains about that on this board you seem confused, but yeah im done sharing my story, I'm just happy I finally worked on my dying brakes and did some upgrade to my car lol

wrong. tII hoods are fiberglass. have you two ever seen/lifted one in person? ^these statements are reasons why ppl get flamed so often on the internet. misinforming others.....

you wonder why you get so much crap from ppl. your so easily misinformed by ppl.

hate to be a prick, but this is wrong too. rotary engines are great. they havent proven to be unreliable when properly maintained. they simply dont live as long as piston engines. you show me one 13bt that lasted 200k miles, and ill show you thirty turbo 4cyl's that have done the same.

No, and no. But, thanks for playing.

Oh, and a 13b weighs almost 300lbs without trans.


http://lancaironline.net/Lists/flyro...sage/3548.html

So, you would stop crying that I am not posting fact. Where I still have yet to see either of you have any backup to your claims.

Thanks.

stock hoods are not fiberglass, not on any RX-7, definitly not any FC, yes I have seen stock T2 hoods, theyre light because theyre AL, I'm not positive if all are, but pretty sure they were, along with the 'vert's also. Even some N/A FC's came with AL hoods
The only way you're getting a fiberglass hood is an aftermarket piece

I agree with you that the rotary is not unreliable, that it just takes different maintenance than a piston, but it is very easy to find 30 more turbo 4's that lasted as long as a 13BT because there have been that many more produced, so a better show would be percentages of 13BT's that have lasted as a portion of all 13BT's produced and the same for turbo 4's

So longevity and reliability of ANY motor comes simply down to maintenance and care of the motor

and as an MR2 owner what gives you this expertise in mazda's??
you just seem to be putting down every idea put out there because you don't like them, if the original thread writer wanted to here that "V8 RX-7's are GAY" he wouldve went to a trailer park and asked some redneck their opinion.
He was coming here looking for some constructive criticism; you know help, suggestions, tips, not having him and his car's sexuality questioned when he wants to build a one-off unique car that will earn some respect once its finished if he does it well

you're too bull-headed and stubborn to just let it go already, so I'll be waiting for your return flame, but stfu with calling everyone douchebags and morons because they dont share your perspective.

back to a constructive thread....
any updates on the swap yet?? or still waiting for the motor and tranny to come around?

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...=aluminum+hood
Wrong. Try doing a little research before you claim that I am misinforming people.

Amen, brother

try doing what i did. go outside and knock on the hood of the 10th anniversary sitting in the driveway. tell me if it sounds like metal. if T2 hoods are aluminum, my bad. learn something new everyday.

i have no expertise in rx7's. i never claimed that. however, i have done minor work on FC's and lots of research since i got my license. im not too bullheaded to admit to any advantages of a v8 or a rotary in a seven. the only person that actually posted real advantages was freak foot. i did not try shooting down any of his ideas, b/c he backed them up and made valid points. NO ONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD stated any other advantages. they all tried SHOOTING DOWN what I said. for example, i said poor handling; they said suspension upgrades; i said how much testing and guessing it would take for a proven setup. the only ideas i put down were ones that were wrong, like a 13bt weighing 400lbs, etc... ls1 rx7's used to be unique one-offs. now arent there kits?

i came and gave my opinion first:

i then backed it up w/ a reason:

he didnt ask for constructive criticism, merely opinions. ppl got offended all the opinions werent "sweet" or "awesome".

and about the rotary reliability thing: reliability and longevity/lifespan are two completely different things. reliability is defenately in direct relation to upkeep and maintenance. longevity is not. it can be a reliable motor, but its life expentancy is short. to make a more even number of turbo 4's vs. turbo rotaries (for the sake of our comparison), do some research on average life span of a 3sgte and compare it to the average life span of a 13bt/13brew. it still shows the much shorter life of the rotary.

Here is an update on the project. I am in the process of rebuilding the GM 700R4 tranny. I am just waiting on Summit to send the rebuild kit. It should be here tommorrow. I am also going with a brand new 350 motor from Summit so reliability will not be an issue for me. :thumbup:

I'm not even going to get into this thread.

All I have to say is a driven 7 is better than a broken 7 even if it has a V8 in it.

It up to a person what they want to do with there car.

Good luck on your rebuild. :thumbup:

MODS: Please delete

(Why the **** can't I delete my own posts?)

haha I'm the d0uchebag but your first post was (with out any explanation):

since you're all-knowing and you know what this guys testing and development budget is or if he even gives a crap how the car handles I might as well shut up

stay in school son

go down another two or so posts for my reasoning. i stated that in my last post. reading comprehension.....

havent we already acknowledged that im not all-knowing? i never said he couldnt afford this swap/suspension. all i said was that, to be done CORRECTLY (proven), it would take a lot of money. if he doesnt care about the cars ability to turn, im sure he can simply disregard my statements w/ out your help. once again, waste bandwidth somewhere else please.

and since your on the subject of school. i started my new class today, and there just happens to be a guy who plans on swapping an ls1 into his fc as his class project. if i can, ill get my hands in and help him out. see if i dont learn something else new.....

If you're gonna act like a d0uche, you better back it up with reasoning right then and there, not after someone calls you out for being a d0uche

In a street car "CORRECTLY" is subjective. If hes not building a track car that needs 50/50 weight bias and every ounce shaved, then who the **** cares. Anyone that says they drive at 9/10ths (making perfect handling nessicary) all the time on the street is a liar, and assuming that you NEED a perfectly balanced car to enjoy it is retarded. So it was really you wasting bandwidth crapping on someones gaols for their project because your ideal street car is unrealistic.


good, I hope you do

but you should really learn some respect

well, thats your own flawed opinion. i gave my opinion.... and when confronted about it, i explained it.



first, when a car is balanced 50/50, there is no front or rear bias. who are you to say that he doesnt care what his car handles like? what if its not ONLY to drive daily? maybe it'll see a road course once or twice. i never mentioned that 50/50 was "NEEDED" to enjoy a street car. (i drive an mr2.... no where near 50/50 balance). we already accomplished that its near 50/50 weight distrbution will be lost. I dont assume that this great balance is necessary, so you can leave the "you dont need 50/50" argument alone now. of course he could have fun, even w/ its horrible distribution. but maybe what he loves most about the car as it stands is how positive it feels when cornering. im sure he'll miss it. and getting it back to that will be very tough.

i show plenty of respect where its due. but thanks for being that "mature adult figure" :roll:

Next time have some balls and explain yourself instead of shouting insults and running like a little child.


No really?:roll:

[quote="sPrSw2o"]who are you to say that he doesnt care what his car handles like?[/qoute]

Well its a reasonable assumption to make that handling isn't a high priority. Generally, people that put V8s into little cars aren't too worried about handling

Then he'll just have to live with his compromise. You seem to just enjoy insulting his intelligence by pointing out the obvious.

hahaha, You just completly contradicted your original argument; that messing with the design (and balance) somehow makes the car gay.

By your reasoning, your car, every FF car, **** everything thats not MR is gay straight from the factory.


Now if you would have respectfully made that point originally and not acted like some punk kid in the sandbox we could have avoid all this couldn't we.

YoUr WeLcOmE :roll:

had i ran "like a child", i wouldnt have returned........ so lets put this lame **** down okay?

"If hes not building a track car that needs 50/50 weight bias and every ounce shaved..."- you, i was just correcting you. theres no such thing as 50/50 weight bias.

you shouldnt make assumptions. you dont know his plans...

i never tried insulting his intelligence, just said how tough it would be to get a proper handling car out of a v8 fb.

how exaclty did i contradict my original argument? IMO, its gonna ruin the cars purpose, and be gay. but its not my car, good luck to him.

"By your reasoning, your car, every FF car, *no cursing!* everything thats not MR is gay straight from the factory. "- you

^that doesnt make sense. try again.

respectfully made what point? i think its clear that he feels he can have fun w/ this setup, or else this thread wouldnt exist. i hope you could figure this out on your own.

I am ----><----- this close to locking this thread guys. Either offer up helpful advice, or take this bickering to PM.


Lets keep the opinions out of this one, 5 pages is enough.

Thank You,


mike

this thread was FOR opinions.....

WAS.

He already said he was going through with it. Now it's time for useful info.

Well I met a guy from torquecentral today at lunch and his car is amazing. His is a 1984 FB with a supercharged SBC 350. He had a couple of timeslips and his best time was a high 10 seconds in the 1/4 mile. He is also running 550 horsepower on his factory differential with 15 inch raceslicks. So I am coming to the assumption that anything is possible as long as there is some pre planning involved. Thats what I was hoping to get from this thread and not a whole lot of flaming going on. Or maybe even a little help from you guys and gals on this board since we are all suppose to be true automobile enthusiasts. It is cool I learned a valuable lesson from all this. NEVER ASK FOR OPINIONS! Some of you did help me out so I just want to say thank you and hopefully the finished project will be at a meet real soon. :supz:

Good luck on the FB conversion - big V8+small FB= :jawdrop:
BTW I only stuck up for the rotary because I own one and I believe it is the "soul" of the car; how do you think a WRX owner would feel about a V8 swap in a WRX :furious: Having said that,I'm done with the topic and I wish you nothing but the best. Keep us updated on your progress :thumbup:

yes... good luck. keep us updated, and ask all the questions you've got. im sure with all these ppl that see things from such different angles, you'll get more than enough response.

BTW T2 hoods were aluminum, not fiberglass like i stated earlier. (although the point doesnt really change, its still very lightweight)

And some t2's do have steel hoods, although it is very rare and mostly in seriers 4 (S4) fc's. This is because the car sold so well mazda came upon a shortage of aluminum, so they had to use steel.



And no offense but I doubt there are any stock parts in that entire drivetrian (diff. included). It was made to support at most 135 bhp and 133 torque. I doubt it would be able to handle 4 times that amount of power.

Well FC3S4 that guy I met today made me a believer. He had a stock GSL diff and a 200R4 tranny with no mods but his next mod is a 8.8 ford diff just for he can tune the FB for more HP's. I plan on going with a 8.8 ford diff because it requires no fabbing of the stock suspension. I will keep posting updates of the projects. :supz:

The Rotary community affectionatly calls this transformation, "the dark side" But good luck none the less. Should really kick some ass when its finished!

Enough of this crap already. A perfect balance to this car is some pimp daddy Caddy power. Find yourself a wrecked Caddy with a fresh Northstar engine... bolt it to the GM transmission of your choice and haul ass. Those engines are small, lightweight, RELIABLE, and powerful with a great aftermarket following.

On that note, I have a 500 cubic inch Caddy engine that is just beggin' to be installed in something silly like an rx-7 or 280z.

that link shows that the engine, b4 lots of random stuff like: starter, radiator, alternator, exhaust piping; was under 250 lbs. it stated that the engine itself, no manifolds, was only 218 lbs. thats light as hell.

i can't tell you how light it is exactly... but a friend and I easily picked up mine and carried it into my basement.... and that was w/ all the accessorys on.

Well, I don't really consider an engine an engine without anything on it. It won't work in a car without all of that stuff.