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PAFirefighter11 05-11-2010 07:46 PM

Wtf...

Scapegoat 05-11-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Keeper1343 (Post 1728166)
I honestly think swat needs to anticipate that a animal is going to be in the house. They have absolutely no right to kill your pet. I don't care if the dog is coming after them or not. Figure it the **** out so you don't get bit. Being that I was attacked by a couple dogs, they aren't that hard to deal with at all. Just cant be a pansy and let them attack you. One being german shepard and one being a rot. Officer who took that shot should have charges filed against him. The only time im allowed to fire my weapon is if my life is in danger... NOT MY HEALTH. If someone comes up and starts a fight with me, im not allowed to shoot him/her. Same rules apply.

they should anticipate that a dog will be in the house and be armed to deal with it.

if a dog is attacking them, they damn well should shoot it. if there is a potential for an attack... they damn well should shoot it. if i had a gun on me and i had a rot or a shephard running at me in a manner that appeared threatening... i'm shooting it.

cops entering a home is a 100% unknown situation. if a dog is presenting a threat, shoot it. a single bite could be deadly. a single bite could end a career. a single bite could take a cop off the street that has sworn to protect your life.

if a cop is willing to put themselves between a bullet and me... they can shoot any ****ing dog they deem necessary to protect themselves.

NowThatsG 05-11-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Subie_sleeper (Post 1728175)
:iagree: What a douch. :banned:

lol, coming from the guy that tried to accelerate as fast as possible when leaving the sonic meet:roll: i dont think ive heard so many people, all at once, call one person a douch, that person being you.

also heared "that thing sounds like ****" "that thing looks slow a ****" oh yea, and "what a ****ing douch" so :thumbup: to you pal :cyberguy: nvm :cyberdouch:

NowThatsG 05-11-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1728188)
cops entering a home is a 100% unknown situation.


well they are some dumbass cops then. who sends a SWAT team out for a no-knock warrant w/o doing any prior surveillance on the location they are going to serve the warrant on??

if they were so smart as to know he was selling drugs, why didnt they already assume he considered himself a "gangster" and was going to have the usual gangster dog, a pit bull?

99blazer 05-11-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1728188)
they should anticipate that a dog will be in the house and be armed to deal with it.

if a dog is attacking them, they damn well should shoot it. if there is a potential for an attack... they damn well should shoot it. if i had a gun on me and i had a rot or a shephard running at me in a manner that appeared threatening... i'm shooting it.

cops entering a home is a 100% unknown situation. if a dog is presenting a threat, shoot it. a single bite could be deadly. a single bite could end a career. a single bite could take a cop off the street that has sworn to protect your life.

if a cop is willing to put themselves between a bullet and me... they can shoot any ****ing dog they deem necessary to protect themselves.

The dog did nothing wrong. If you watch the video the dog never lunged or went after the cops it was barking. Its what dogs do.

And does it really take 5-6 shots to kill a dog. Lets be serious here and stop arguing wether it was right or wrong. They used unnecessary force. The situation could have been dealt with less force. And for what a little bit of weed?

SpEcRv9 05-11-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NowThatsG (Post 1728189)
lol, coming from the guy that tried to accelerate as fast as possible when leaving the sonic meet:roll: i dont think ive heard so many people, all at once, call one person a douch, that person being you.

also heared "that thing sounds like ****" "that thing looks slow a ****" oh yea, and "what a ****ing douch" so :thumbup: to you pal :cyberguy: nvm :cyberdouch:

accelerating fast is not nearly as big a douche move, as talking about an ambush on police officers.

Scapegoat 05-11-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NowThatsG (Post 1728193)
well they are some dumbass cops then. who sends a SWAT team out for a no-knock warrant w/o doing any prior surveillance on the location they are going to serve the warrant on??

if they were so smart as to know he was selling drugs, why didnt they already assume he considered himself a "gangster" and was going to have the usual gangster dog, a pit bull?

i heard them knock and say they had a warrant before entering the house.

regardless, in the case of entering a home... i doubt they had someone walk up to the windows through out the week to see what was going on inside. i doubt they had an inside informant make friends with the perp and hang out with him for years building a case.

further... who is to say it wasn't a stereotypical thug dog. i didn't see a corgi... hell, i didn't see a dead dog for that matter.

Scapegoat 05-11-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 99blazer (Post 1728194)
The dog did nothing wrong. If you watch the video the dog never lunged or went after the cops it was barking. Its what dogs do.

And does it really take 5-6 shots to kill a dog. Lets be serious here and stop arguing wether it was right or wrong. They used unnecessary force. The situation could have been dealt with less force. And for what a little bit of weed?

what dog? i didn't see a dog. i didn't see it attack, nor did i see it not attack. you don't know what happened... neither do i.

if the dog was sitting their looking all cute and the cops went up, petted it, and shot it in the face... then yeah... completely unnecessary.

the safety of police far out weigh the life of a dog

oh wait... i watched it again... a dog ran by... and the cop said, "leave the dog alone, we're good. let's get him secure"

99blazer 05-11-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1728198)
i heard them knock and say they had a warrant before entering the house.

regardless, in the case of entering a home... i doubt they had someone walk up to the windows through out the week to see what was going on inside. i doubt they had an inside informant make friends with the perp and hang out with him for years building a case.

further... who is to say it wasn't a stereotypical thug dog. i didn't see a corgi... hell, i didn't see a dead dog for that matter.

Your still not getting it. I understand the cops were just doing their jobs and protecting themselves but it could have been handled better than to shoot the dog. It wasnt needed.

I just rewatched the video. You hear him shoot the dog. The dog screams and cries indicating it has been shot and when a dog screams like that it isnt going to attack again. And then you hear him shoot the dog 3 more times and the dog no longer is screaming.

Its sick but maybe its just because I am a dog person and understand that dogs are only a threat when you treat them as a threat. And why not use the shield to push the dog out of the way?

Scapegoat 05-11-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 99blazer (Post 1728202)
Your still not getting it. I understand the cops were just doing their jobs and protecting themselves but it could have been handled better than to shoot the dog. It wasnt needed.

you're not getting it... you have zero evidence regarding the dog that was or was not shot. if an animal presents a threat... you shoot it.

i'm a huge animal person. but i will back the police up 100% if they feel something is a threat to them.

just as easily they could have walked into a home and been shot dead or mauled. that dude obviously had multiple dogs... not having seen the dog that was shot, it could have just as easily been a chihuahua or a mastiff. you're completely wrong here, because you don't know the facts. you obviously have something against police... as do most of the kids on this site. and i am certainly biased towards LEO's due to my family members serving the community i live in to make it safer

Scapegoat 05-11-2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 99blazer (Post 1728202)
Your still not getting it. I understand the cops were just doing their jobs and protecting themselves but it could have been handled better than to shoot the dog. It wasnt needed.

I just rewatched the video. You hear him shoot the dog. The dog screams and cries indicating it has been shot and when a dog screams like that it isnt going to attack again. And then you hear him shoot the dog 3 more times and the dog no longer is screaming.

Its sick but maybe its just because I am a dog person and understand that dogs are only a threat when you treat them as a threat. And why not use the shield to push the dog out of the way?

i see your edit and will respond:

the dog cries b/c it was shot. so... you purpose the cops allow a wounded dog to continue to suffer? while i'd hope a swat team member could shoot a dog to kill it, i'd presume he hit the body of the animal and followed up with a death shot.

perhaps there was more than two dogs in the house and he shot more than one, maybe he just ****ing missed it a couple times? i saw one move past the home owner... so there were at least two, possibly more.

dogs are not a threat only when you treat them as such... a dog is a threat when it is an unknown animal. would you not be weary of any animal you did not know approaching you or your loved ones?

i'm ready to stomp the **** out of any animal that comes near my g/f or our dog in petsmart... let alone a park, and i'm not a trained LEO.

i find it sickening that people would condemn LEOs based on such little evidence...

99blazer 05-11-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1728207)
you're not getting it... you have zero evidence regarding the dog that was or was not shot. if an animal presents a threat... you shoot it.

i'm a huge animal person. but i will back the police up 100% if they feel something is a threat to them.

just as easily they could have walked into a home and been shot dead or mauled. that dude obviously had multiple dogs... not having seen the dog that was shot, it could have just as easily been a chihuahua or a mastiff. you're completely wrong here, because you don't know the facts. you obviously have something against police... as do most of the kids on this site. and i am certainly biased towards LEO's due to my family members serving the community i live in to make it safer


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http://beforeitsnews.com/news/41/703..._on_Drugs.html

yellow2000S/R 05-11-2010 08:41 PM

Cop should be charged.

SO, by some of the reasoning of people in this topic, if you went to a friends house and they had a "larger" size dog and you thought the dog was approaching you to attack (whether you judge that correctly or not) and you had a weapon on you, you would automatically shoot it in fear of your life? You realize you can't do that to a person, let alone multiple shots, so what makes it right to do it to a dog? People spend thousands of dollars on dogs between food, rescuing/buying them from a shelter or breeder, and upkeep such as vet costs.

Some of you wouldn't be welcome over to my house as it can sometimes be hard to read my dogs, but they've never bit anybody and there's been hundreds of different people at my house. They are so playfull and if you're a stranger unexpected they have a hell of a bark but then just rush up to the person and wagging their tails when they get to them. Sometimes they jump up some to lick your face or whatever, and it seems like some of you would consider that aggressive behavior and you'd have the right to shoot them?

Some people have such skewed views it's unbelievable.

mcperson2k 05-11-2010 08:41 PM

Shooting the dog is NOT unneccessary... How can you not understand that were talking about a SWAT team entering a criminals house. They obviously had evidence and leads leading to this house, they don't know what's in there. For all they know the guy could have shot at them. When your entering an unknown enviroment, and your life is at risk, why would anyone with common sense take the time to restrain a dog? What would you say if one of the officers bent over to grab the dog, and when he wasn't paying attention for those 4 seconds, someone came around a corner and shot him. You would call him a moron... They shot the dog because it was an instant solution to the problem, so that they can quickly get back to focusing on the main objective.

Edit: And I know some of you moron will compare the dog to a human in response to this, and I laugh at you!

Scapegoat 05-11-2010 08:49 PM

i'm really trying to find evidence.... link #1 cops admit to there being an issue. good. everyone needs to work on things. i still see no evidence of the cops doing wrong. they're responding politically to people like you calling fowl with little evidence of anything. whether or not the cops actually did anything wrong hasn't been given

the second link

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A 92-year-old woman was shot to death Tuesday after she fired at three narcotics officers trying to serve a warrant at her house, officials said.
this... nothing wrong with that...

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There were no drugs.

There were no cameras that the officers had claimed was the reason for the no-knock warrant.

Just Johnston, handcuffed and bleeding on her living room floor.

That is when the officers took it to another level. Three baggies of marijuana were retrieved from the trunk of the car and planted in Johnston's basement.
that is ****ed up... but the original post has nothing to do with cops planting drugs... so this doesn't support you're point at all

i think i got that all right... i'm enjoying some captain and coke... but i'm pretty sure i'm making sense of your links. i'm still waiting to see concrete evidence that the cops in your original post acted unreasonably.

Subie_sleeper 05-11-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NowThatsG (Post 1728189)
lol, coming from the guy that tried to accelerate as fast as possible when leaving the sonic meet:roll: i dont think ive heard so many people, all at once, call one person a douch, that person being you.

also heared "that thing sounds like ****" "that thing looks slow a Fuuqqq" oh yea, and "what a fuqking douch" so :thumbup: to you pal :cyberguy: nvm :cyberdouch:

LULZ

TRUE, I left Sonic in a big hurry. My wife was home with a high fever and she called to say she was feeling worse. I wanted to take her to the ER when I got home but she was stubborn and stuck it out.
I could care less what people think/say about how the Baja looks/sounds.
It's a LOT faster than it looks. Not that it matters.
It had a pretty bad leak from the uppipe at the time too. (hence sounding like crap) Check my member journal if you think I'm making that up BTW, it's been at AREA1320 for a few days waiting in line to be fixed.
Most of all, I LOVE it, & that's what matters to me.

Now, getting back to you....
YOU.... basically laid out, how YOU, in that situation would stage an AMBUSH to MURDER or at least MAIM, US Law Enforcement Officers.
That, you tool, is SOOOOO far beyond speeding out of a meet on the a-hole meter it's not even funny.
If thats being "G" Dogcrap > G & YOU.

SpEcRv9 05-11-2010 08:56 PM

know how he could have avoided the whole situation in the first place? by not giving the cops a reason to serve a search warrant on his house.

Scapegoat 05-11-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by yellow2000S/R (Post 1728231)
Cop should be charged.

SO, by some of the reasoning of people in this topic, if you went to a friends house and they had a "larger" size dog and you thought the dog was approaching you to attack (whether you judge that correctly or not) and you had a weapon on you, you would automatically shoot it in fear of your life? You realize you can't do that to a person, let alone multiple shots, so what makes it right to do it to a dog? People spend thousands of dollars on dogs between food, rescuing/buying them from a shelter or breeder, and upkeep such as vet costs.

Some of you wouldn't be welcome over to my house as it can sometimes be hard to read my dogs, but they've never bit anybody and there's been hundreds of different people at my house. They are so playfull and if you're a stranger unexpected they have a hell of a bark but then just rush up to the person and wagging their tails when they get to them. Sometimes they jump up some to lick your face or whatever, and it seems like some of you would consider that aggressive behavior and you'd have the right to shoot them?

Some people have such skewed views it's unbelievable.

deciding whether an animal is a threat or not in a personal situation is MUCH different than deciding whether an animal is a threat in professional LEO type of situation.

Scapegoat 05-11-2010 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SpEcRv9 (Post 1728245)
know how he could have avoided the whole situation in the first place? by not giving the cops a reason to serve a search warrant on his house.

this pretty much ends the discussion here. i really wish i thought to say that...

99blazer 05-11-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1728237)
i think i got that all right... i'm enjoying some captain and coke... but i'm pretty sure i'm making sense of your links. i'm still waiting to see concrete evidence that the cops in your original post acted unreasonably.

I think that what they did was unnecessary but that is my opinion. And those articles (at least the first one) made me feel that my opinion is right. But it doesnt mean I am right. I just feel there were better ways to handle the situation.


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