Did you write this from scratch?

It's got alotta good points.

I woulnd't necessarially call it a Honda vs. Subaru DEBATE....more of a compare//contrast list really.

RSs are DOHC (some of them, some are SOHC) but my MY00 is DOHC

Yeah, I realized that after dumping almost 20k into a Civic Hatchback. Yeah, I bought something new. Same thing I'm going through now. My S is still a Honda, I have too much into it. I could be making payments on a new Z06 instead.

Don't sweat NASIOC, I'm obviously a subie owner (last 3 cars), and i'll be the first to say that around 75% of the people on there are arrogant dickheads. I see what you are saying in your post and its very interesting, and i can definitely see where you are coming from. :thumbup:

I dont quite agree with the stock TD04 vs. VTEC debate...

a stock wrx will roast a stock dohc vtec civic. Its just a faster car.

VTEC isn't comparable to forced induction.

I don't think you understand what he is saying WRXD.

And VTEC equipped car isn't comparable in performance to a WRX?

Ya it was more of a compare contrast... and sort of a callout to all subaru owners who bash on hondas for the culture... not realizing that they are starting to live the exact same thing. Its that simple irony.

WRXD- the comparisons are not at all based on power. Turbo and vtec dont compare when side by side. Its just a way to relate apples to oranges so that people see its all just fruit (wow im gay) ...but seriously...

as for writing this all myself--- ya i did. Ive got a lot of time on my hands... but its not like it came to me all in one night. Ive been callin it out for a while now to a few close tuner friends. Just figured id share and put it up for discussion. Honda-tech and nasioc both ripped me for it. But I expected that. This forum is the best for these types of posts...

LSHatch--- im surpised you didnt compare the elite forms of both cars

s204 to the s2000... i mean come on its only a couple of numbers :)

(clearly kidding)

And might I add that in nasioc particularly, everyone bashes on honda as a company... when it comes to cars till someone mentions the NSX.... In a whole other class of vehicle...Subaru hasnt come close to the innovation that is the NSX-R. But thats not for this conversation---just thought id throw it out there as piece of mind.

I've been saying the same thing... Subaru's are the new Honda. Except thank goodness there aren't yet near as many WRX's done in bad taste as the 92-95 Civic Si. That car has been ruined so many times it's ridiculous.

Subaru owners who bash on well-done Hondas are just like Honda owners who bash on well-done Subaru's. It's stupid brand allegiance, when the concept of the cars are pretty similar (like you said.)

Except we can go play in the snow, you Honda bitches can't! :lol:

ya speaking of which that car of the month is the worst thing ever. JDM is the new rice

so very true


edub your the man, stop working so much and tune with me dammit

call me out, the S2000 can play with the best of you :mrgreen:

:iagree:

honda has always been innovative with making the best out of na ff and fr vehicles, it seems that subaru always cheats with a 4wd and turbo for every car. whats the problem... they cant make a competitive car without using the two easiest ways of making a car go fast? im not bashing subarus, but honda has advanced technology to make the best out of their simplicity based cars, where has subaru has tried to throw in all the tricks to make a brute performance car.

either way, we have played out both brands, subaru is the new honda taking over popularity of the the average tuner. all honda really has to offer now is the nsx and s2k. so if you want grassroots meets high tech efficient motors then go with a honda, otherwise you can go along with the current awd turbo fad that everyone and their mothers think is so cool

an easy way to illustrate the comparison between the two would a usdm sti 4wd with a 2.5l turbo 4cyl yada yada yada, against a s2k which is a 2wd 2.0l na inline 4 and put them on a roadcourse together. both cars are in the same price range and both are advertised to have all the track ready performance that everyone wants. when comparing just the specs the sti seems to have all the goods that a modern racer would want,but put the two on a track together stock for stock and we all know the outcome.....simplicity proves best. unfortunatly the world is no road course and in the winter time i am parked in a garage while the suby guys are out cruising to get hot chocolate and doing donuts in parking lots. Its very hard to compare the two machines for their real world use, it would be nice to have a subaru for its practicality and fun factor, but its by no means a pure bread race car

im not trying to start a world war here, just a heads up to anyone who is misinformed
sorry if i offended anyone

translation- "subaru can blow me"... zingggg

Don't tell Francesco. :rofl:

JDM was the new rice a long time ago.

Let's see.

Non-SCCA approved "roll bars" in "Race" cars. (Cusco death cage.)
Hundreds of dollars for misc. interior bits.
$2000 Bride Carbon seats that aren't sanctioned by any race league in the US.
Bride material to destroy your door panels.
Hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for JDM head and tail lights.

The list just keeps going and going.

JDM cleartails for GCs are so worth the money though, they make a HUGE difference especially on sedona red pearl.

Does it make the car faster in any way?

hit the nail on the head