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AWD GS 10-26-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaior (Post 2063588)
Its not illegal to put on a (some) catback or an air intake or a new engine or anything like that in PA. I dont think its illegal to turbo your car either, so there is some things you can do that are legal.

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c7scayman 10-28-2011 09:14 AM

It's already illegal to have a modified exhaust in most states, even if it passes emissions and still has a cat. It's already illegal to lower your car to the ground or have your wheels poking out or a big camber. VIP style cars get pulled over all the time because of their suspension setup because they mess up the streets when they scrape and a big bump could cause an accident or traffic in a slammed car. My slammed friends caused lots of traffic on the way to Formula D 2011 in Wall, NJ. They would not go past 55mph on the highway in fear of scraping.

But I agree with mcperson2k, I think people would just have dedicated track/race cars and trailers to take them to the track.

c7scayman 10-28-2011 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaior (Post 2063588)
Its not illegal to put on a (some) catback or an air intake or a new engine or anything like that in PA. I dont think its illegal to turbo your car either, so there is some things you can do that are legal.

Two of my friends in PA with exhaust got pulled over and got a ticket for having aftermaket HKS exhaust. And they have cats.

jpalamar 10-28-2011 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by c7scayman (Post 2064746)
It's already illegal to have a modified exhaust in most states, even if it passes emissions and still has a cat. It's already illegal to lower your car to the ground or have your wheels poking out or a big camber. VIP style cars get pulled over all the time because of their suspension setup because they mess up the streets when they scrape and a big bump could cause an accident or traffic in a slammed car. My slammed friends caused lots of traffic on the way to Formula D 2011 in Wall, NJ. They would not go past 55mph on the highway in fear of scraping.

But I agree with mcperson2k, I think people would just have dedicated track/race cars and trailers to take them to the track.

There is no law about how low a car can be. Tires/wheels just can't stick out past the fenders. Headlights have to be within a certain range from the ground, thats it.

yellow2000S/R 10-28-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jpalamar (Post 2064754)
There is no law about how low a car can be. Tires/wheels just can't stick out past the fenders. Headlights have to be within a certain range from the ground, thats it.

Bumpers as well.

I could swear I read a minimum of 5" ground clearance before but that was years ago.

accordguy04 10-28-2011 09:42 AM

I thought there was a law that said (I can't remember exactly...) that either the center of your headlight, or the top of your fenderwell cannot be less than 20 inches above the ground, or something like that.

420sx 10-28-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jpalamar (Post 2064754)
There is no law about how low a car can be. Tires/wheels just can't stick out past the fenders. Headlights have to be within a certain range from the ground, thats it.

The bumper itself cant be below a certain height. There is a law that says something about it. I dont know it word for word but i know you can be pulled over for being too low. It happened to a friend of mine recently.

Then the cop kicked his bumper and it fell off. :eek:

So he let him go. lol

jpalamar 10-28-2011 09:53 AM

Thats news to me.

saxon 10-28-2011 10:00 AM

its funny how many people modify there cars and have no clue of the laws

for an exhaust you can modify it as long as its not for the purpose of increasing sound, there is a db limit for exhausts and thats the only way you can get a ticket for it and have it hold up (they have to physically measure it at your tail pipe and the tail pipe must exit after the rear door)

there are no laws on intakes at all in PA

in pa the law for "lowered or raised" vehicles is a certain limit that your lights can only be so low or high off the ground

there are plenty of carb legal turbo kits for cali residents (or atleast there were untill greddy went under)

it is your vehicle and they will never be able to stop you from modifying it unless you drive it on the streets and it doesnt meet certain safety or environmental requirements

accordguy04 10-28-2011 10:20 AM

Dont know? Or just dont car? lol

And I thought the exhaust law was about emissions. Oh well, I know my Borla is good. haha
I was kinda pissed when I first got it tho... small piping (2.25 then less than 2 after the split...), two mufflers, a mid muffler, and a huge resonator. But the tone of it is an absolute symphony! Well in the car atleast... when I put it on before I did the PCDs and the J pipe it just changed the tone a little, it wasnt much louder at all. But like I said just cruisin around normal, the tone of it sounds amazing inside the car. Sometimes I turn off the radio, and just listen to it. :D

Scapegoat 10-28-2011 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by saxon (Post 2064776)
its funny how many people modify there cars and have no clue of the laws

for an exhaust you can modify it as long as its not for the purpose of increasing sound, there is a db limit for exhausts and thats the only way you can get a ticket for it and have it hold up (they have to physically measure it at your tail pipe and the tail pipe must exit after the rear door)

this is incorrect. while there is a DB limit, it is rather unenforceable. first the officer needs to be trained properly on using the equipment, second it needs to be done similarly to production vehicles, from a certain distance.

a member did his research and fought a "too loud" ticket by following the legal guidelines that manufacturers use to ensure their vehicle fall within the legal limit. Granted, the ticket he received wasnt given to him w/ a DB reading, but the officer arbitrarily decided the exhaust was too loud.

Also, if you don't want to deal with issue w/ police pulling you over for illegal modification, buy domestic. Tossing loud exhaust on a civic is the right way to get pulled over quick. tossing loud exhaust on a mustang doesnt get you a second glance... knock on wood lol

Big_Jim 10-28-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mcperson2k (Post 2063682)
Than the "scene" people would die off, and the enthusiasts would have dedicated track cars.

sounds like a win win to me.

accordguy04 10-28-2011 10:43 AM

Not true, what about the guy with the Sonic Blue Mustang posting in the Ask The Law section? They're pretty sure he's bein hassled for his exhaust! Boom. Mind blown. haha

saxon 10-28-2011 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 2064793)
this is incorrect. while there is a DB limit, it is rather unenforceable. first the officer needs to be trained properly on using the equipment, second it needs to be done similarly to production vehicles, from a certain distance.

a member did his research and fought a "too loud" ticket by following the legal guidelines that manufacturers use to ensure their vehicle fall within the legal limit. Granted, the ticket he received wasnt given to him w/ a DB reading, but the officer arbitrarily decided the exhaust was too loud.

Also, if you don't want to deal with issue w/ police pulling you over for illegal modification, buy domestic. Tossing loud exhaust on a civic is the right way to get pulled over quick. tossing loud exhaust on a mustang doesnt get you a second glance... knock on wood lol

how is it incorrect? it is the law and there is a guideline they have to do to enforce it... just because some officers dont do there job properly does not mean I am incorrect, it just means that the officer better know that law if he wants it enforced

Scapegoat 10-28-2011 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by saxon (Post 2064798)
how is it incorrect? it is the law and there is a guideline they have to do to enforce it... just because some officers dont do there job properly does not mean I am incorrect, it just means that the officer better know that law if he wants it enforced

incorrect as far as placement of measuring device. It does not get placed directly behind your vehicle.

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Originally Posted by accordguy04 (Post 2064797)
Not true, what about the guy with the Sonic Blue Mustang posting in the Ask The Law section? They're pretty sure he's bein hassled for his exhaust! Boom. Mind blown. haha

sorry, i forgot to read the entire forum before making an obviously never 100% true blanket statement.

jpalamar 10-28-2011 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by accordguy04 (Post 2064797)
Not true, what about the guy with the Sonic Blue Mustang posting in the Ask The Law section? They're pretty sure he's bein hassled for his exhaust! Boom. Mind blown. haha

Hastled and cited are very different.

He also has Kooks long tube headers that are for 'off road use'.

saxon 10-28-2011 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 2064803)
incorrect as far as placement of measuring device. It does not get placed directly behind your vehicle.



sorry, i forgot to read the entire forum before making an obviously never 100% true blanket statement.

so where does it get placed?

Scapegoat 10-28-2011 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jpalamar (Post 2064806)
Hastled and cited are very different.

He also has Kooks long tube headers that are for 'off road use'.

i have full exhaust on my car, long tubes, etc and havent been hassled. I also don't go dropping gears around the police but typically go up a gear if i can and the car quiets down quite a bit.

if you're getting hassled for exhaust w/ 4.6l mustang you're being a tool

jpalamar 10-28-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by saxon (Post 2064807)
so where does it get placed?

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Scapegoat 10-28-2011 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by saxon (Post 2064807)
so where does it get placed?

it's off to the side at a certain distance and the vehicle is supposed to travel past it at a certain rpm or speed. I don't remember the specifics that this guy found out. But i'm positive a number of legal stock cars would go over the DB limit if you put the meter directly behind the vehicle.


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