i dont know much about high powered scopes, but my dad bought these swarovski binoculars and they are amazing, i wouldnt be able to afford a scope like that anytime soon though

what are some good scopes for target competition?

personally i like the thumbhole for target shooting, just feels more comfortable, i usually put both hands on the rear of the gun to steady it, and use a bi pod. i was watching videos on the 22-250 and .204 they are pretty nasty varmint rounds, 4000 fps

also thanks for the heads up on the used used USP, did it look like it was in good condition? i really wanted a diff gun in diff calibers, i originally wanted the usp compact in a 45 but i learned it was bigger than the 40 and 9, i decided on the 40 because 9/10 people i know shoot a 9mm, and wanted some variety. originally i wanted to collect a glock 26 9mm, usp compact .40, and a sigsauer 229 in a .357 sig

the used usp sounds like a decent deal, and i can afford that if it doesnt get sold in a month. about 17 days until i can buy one

does anyone know the advantages of a lem trigger over a da/sa? the only difference i see is that the da/sa u can c0ck the hammer back by hand, but has the possibility of getting snagged.

That's pretty much the reason for the LEM. It's so that they didn't have to carry cocked and locked, but they also didn't have to go through the long, hard pull of the DA. I'm sure there is more to it on how it actually works, but that's basically why it exists.

When I carry my USP, I carry cocked and locked. A good holster will stop any discharge of the gun. With the da/sa, you can carry cocked and locked, and have a very short trigger pull (single action). While decocked, it's double action and the pull is pretty tough which can effect accuracy.

so with a lem trigger i will have a long ass pull the first shot until the second round, or if i cock it first?

so to have a short pull on a lem on the first shot, you would have to carry it cocked, and unlocked since it has no safety?

the lem isnt really making sense to me except for the no snag hammer.

my dads smith and wesson has a lem trigger with a safety.

the lem has a da pull the first shot unless the slide was cocked back correct?

I can't give you factual answers to some of your questions.

There are two hammers with the LEM trigger, an internal, and the regular external. When you rack the slide to chamber a round, it cocks both hammers, leaving the external hammer in the DA position. It leaves the trigger in the DA position as well, but the pull is not as heavy as the DA. It is just long, until the end, when it gets heavier, where it fires the internal hammer.


As far as I remember, you can't carry it in the SA "cocked" mode. It's in the position explained in the above paragraph.

The first pull is DA if the hammer is not cocked for whatever reason (dry firing?). I don't believe the decocking lever (as my variant 3 has) is an option with the LEM trigger, as that lever is deleted.

its kind of hard to choose when it seems like theres no real benefits over each other. the lem is obviously safer to carry, but the sa/da has an option of cocking the hammer for a lighter first shot. man this stuff gives me a headache, its hard to understand without actually seeing it.

The lem isn't safer when you consider the option that you can have other variants decocked with the safety on.

With the other thread (RIP Officer Patrick McDonald), can we change this title to "The official TST I like LEGAL guns thread".

yeah thats true, i guess i should of mentioned the gun i was thinking about had no safeties. do both models have decockers? your usp decocks the hammer by pushing down the slide release right?
http://lundestudio.com/wallpaper/p20...ht-flat-hi.jpg
sa/da

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lem

sorry for the oversized pictures, im guessing on the sa/da the decocker is right next to the hammer?

Holy big pictures den!!!


After 4 weeks to the day.... :drool: :drool:

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Okay enough, INSIDE....just like an AR :cool:

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Now for some pictures...

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pictured with GLOCK 26

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...puuuuuuuuurty

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MASSIVE, same G26

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PRS stock

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were gonna have to set you out far from the car for it to be fun for you, looks great man

I'm thinking about getting a pistol soon. What would be good for someone who has never shot one before?

Glock 19 or 26, XD-9 3" or 4",

Fixed that for you sir :wiggle:


I'd say stay with a 9mm not only because its easier to shoot than larger calipers but also because its cheap and easy to find.
As with the corrections I made to Jeff's typos I wouldn't go any smaller than a compact.
The smaller the gun the less you have to hold on to.

At the very least go to a few shops and talk to them about what you want to do with the gun, your skill level, your price range, etc. Also hold a bunch of different guns and see what feels best in your hand. After all part of the shops job in selling you a gun is helping you find what you need.

If you're looking for a shop I'd suggest Locks in Philly.
www.locksgunshop.com
Their site blows but the shop is well stocked and the employees are very helpful.

the one that you shoot the best

rent some

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try some out. Now, the problem is finding a dealer that I can buy from being that I'm not 21. I don't know of any non-federally licensed dealers around here.

Handguns don't happen till 21... Get caught with one before your 21st = priceless

The way I understand it I can buy a handgun at a show or a dealer who's not federally licensed. If you read the law, nowhere does it state you have to be 21 to own a handgun, just 18 for guns in general.

Let me clean that up into useful info...

You can't buy a handgun till your 21[FFL style] but a family member[parents, grandparents] can do it for you as a gift

Eh, law pwns me. I can wait then, lol.

have ur dad buy it for u and give him the money, u just wont be able to carry it, or even buy bullets lol. im not even sure if u could possess it. either way id just wait

USP .40 for $450, I can't comment on the condition, but it's worth checking out....

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/firearms-...-usp-40-a.html

Also, it's a full size, not sure if you were committed to a compact or not.

Ideas for a snub nose 357 carry revolver anyone?

So far I like the no safety Smiths with the concealed hammer and heavy trigger pull.

Thanks, Ashley

no idea's for the above, but, I ordered another gun today...

http://dynamicarmament.com/images/fn...3%20folded.jpg
http://dynamicarmament.com/images/fn...20223%20lt.jpg

FN SCAR-L, 16s (16" barrel), will be here late December, early January. More picture to come when I get the damn thing!

omg you bastard!

i been 21 for a month and a half and i still havent bought a damn gun yet, if that was compact and i had money id have to buy that. been eyeing up a usp for years now

How much did that puppy set you back, I've got my eye on the stag model 5, basically a 6.8 ar15.

I love all my stags, great AR's. I have pretty much all 5.56 rifles though with plenty of ammo and mags, can't see mixing.

The SCAR-L is right around $2500, but if you want one, order it now (it might even be too late). There are only a couple of dealers that seem to have gotten the allocation though, so you are going to have to shop around as I'm not ready to give up the dealer I got it (might want another). They are only expecting to have a limited run of roughly 200 for now.

figured this would be a good place to see if anyone has any personal experience with the Sig Sauer P250? Im planning on this gun as my next purchase but have yet found a range with one on demo yet to try out.

reviews of it are mostly positive, and i like the idea of the interchangeability of it.

whats your opinion?

never shot that model but i can tell you sig sauers are one of the most reliable top of the line pistols you can buy, you cant go wrong, the model i shot had a nice balance to it, kinda heavy though. this model looks sick with a threaded barrel http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...&productid=227

this one is cool, compact, and apparently you can swap barrels? the 357 sig round is pretty fun, but expensive http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...&productid=219

heres a video
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...&productid=183

since you cant find a range that has one for rent id just go to a store and maybe check it out, see if its comfortable in your hand, i know its best to shoot it first but sometimes you cant, i can assure that you wont be dissapointed. what caliber are you looking at?

I know the scar-l was gonna be pretty expensive, as well as limited, i think i'll be fine for now with a future AR, my current M&P45 and possibly a rifle of some kind.

Ive been on sig's website practically every day since learning about this gun. I know the models & that video quite well. I plan on sticking to 9mm as thats what ive had in the past and I have been very happy with it. owning a glock 26, and having owned 2 glock 19s, 9mm just fits me very well. ive had it in my hands several times, and the feel / weight distribution is great. I would just like to fire it before i commit to it. but i have honestly never heard Sig horror stories about bad firing models, so I think ill be ok of i cant shoot one before hand.

I don't think that you are going to find many complaints about the p250.

I tried one at the range a couple months ago and couldn't get used to the trigger. Otherwise, really nice gun. Comfortable, smooth, manageable, accurate, etc. etc. Actually, it was REALLY comfortable.

were u not able to get used to the DAO? or simply the size / style / or weight of the trigger?

I have never had a DAO gun & while i dont think that would stop me from buying this gun - I have never owned a dual action before.

Yes, I am referring to the DOA (or dak, whatever they call it). It's like the LEM trigger for HK. It just doesn't feel right to me.

Just curious, anyone from TST going to the Valley Forge gun show in Dec?

if I havnt picked up my sig by then - ill be going there to hopefully find a deal on one.

I have the DAK trigger on my p229r in 9mm and it definitely takes some time to get used to, one of those triggers that isn't for everyone. I can actually shoot tighter groups and have a faster follow up than with my xd40 which is da only (although the sig is obviously less "snappy" than the 40).

so is a dao has a heavy trigger every shot, where a da/sa has a heavy trigger only the first shot if not cocked? ****s confusing

Yes.

DAO = double action only. Every trigger pull will cock the pistol and then release the hammer to fire it.

DA/SA is double action on the first trigger pull, and uses the cycling of the slide to cock the hammer, making the next trigger pull single action (only releases the hammer).

Make sense??