Originally Posted by cmr076 (Post 1919465)

you can get a crimson trace or lasermax for the glock if you hell bent on having a laser

Originally Posted by g00fy (Post 1919144)

Here's a little High-speed video my buddy and i made with my S&W 500:

http://www.break.com/index/watermelo...ow-motion.html

If you watch closely you can see the bullet, and if you want to see it easier crank the resolution up and you can slow down the video an additional 50% in the video options.

Originally Posted by motorvated (Post 1919439)

Ive read nothing but good about the XDM series! thanks.

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR (Post 1919326)

About calibers for self defense, read this: http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

Originally Posted by ~Brian~ (Post 1919608)

That is a GREAT article!

So now I'm concerned that I will not get enough penetration with my Critical Defense rounds... ugh. I should have just stuck with the Golden Sabers..

Originally Posted by blkZ06 (Post 1918922)

Havnt posted gun pRon for a minute

anybody know what these are?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...k/fabad9ca.jpg

how about these?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...k/b1e4188f.jpg

couple thangs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...k/abfc6a3b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...k/dff98505.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...k/7a04ac77.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...k/862f44eb.jpg

the standard by which all others are judged

..... MPimp5

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...k/4a0c56c4.jpg












..... bitches :)

Originally Posted by cmr076 (Post 1919819)

ok... what do i get if im right???

1: spas-15 (as you stated)

correct by default

2: spas-15 (as you stated)

correct by default

3: HK G36-K (or a civi SL8 converted... how baller are you :mrgreen:)

do you need to ask how boss I am?

4: Real Sig 550 family (551?? maybe) I know its real because of the proprietary clear 20rd mag)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...k/8cadb163.jpg


5: Mac-11 (380 maybe, otherwise 9) (you need a lage upper you poor bastard)

Mac-10 you suck

surpressed lage, off mah nuts

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...k/21d60485.jpg

6: Scar-L, AR (Daniel defense maybe), PTR-32 7.62x39

Beowulf with muzzle break


7: HK-53 pistol (converted to take G36 mags?) HK-51 pistol

yup

8: 40 cal MP-5, surefire forend

yup

9: MPa5 (needs to be an MP5-K if ya ask me)

MP5..... you don't think I have a K :)


so... whatd I win.

Originally Posted by blkZ06 (Post 1919834)

corrected

Originally Posted by blkZ06 (Post 1919848)

you'll break your zomg no gunz all skool bull**** soon enough

Originally Posted by cmr076 (Post 1919797)

i didnt read that article, HOWEVER, everything I have read about the CD rounds shows REALLY even and consistent expansion, while they may not have the most penetration I would rather have HPs opening in a similar fashion all the time EVERY time than be able to shoot through 4 people effectively.

Originally Posted by ~Brian~ (Post 1919860)

I agree with that, but when addressing penetration, they said that the majority of a bullets energy is lost when it enters and when trying to exit, the bullet encounters much more force as the skin holds it in.

Originally Posted by cmr076 (Post 1919875)

thats all fine and good, but if i'm in a SD situation I would almost prefer the bullet does NOT leave the hostile's body, IMO it significantly cuts down on the possibility of collateral damage..

Originally Posted by cmr076 (Post 1919875)

your .40 is traveling at almost 1000fps leaving the muzzle, hitting a hostile target at under 10 yards the velocity drops to what before hitting the target? I'm not sure but I'm sure it didn't lose a TON of speed.

Originally Posted by cmr076 (Post 1919875)

Lastly, I dont care how much padding one would have because of clothes, a 10mm bullet hitting you at 900ish FPS is gonna **** your day up regardless of how balistically challenged the bullet is.

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR (Post 1919326)

You're not being a pussy, you just need to learn about and get comfortable with a few different kinds of guns.


For everyday carry, home defense, or even just a range toy - learn how to handle a gun properly from the start without a safety. If you choose to add one later (you probably won't), buy a different gun with a safety.

External safeties are for 1911s - they're made to be carried in condition 1, "cocked and locked" (Munky's Kimber for example). That's because of their design, being SAO. In my opinion, external safeties have absolutely no business being on any non-1911 gun, especially on someone's first gun or one that they're learning on. Safeties do nothing but breed bad gun handling habits. The idea of "nah, it's cool the safety is on" is a very dangerous one. Even if you're a good shooter and you're mostly good about general safety when handling the gun, you'll always rely on the safety like a crutch in some way or another.

No matter whether the gun is doing nothing but sitting around at home or if you're carrying it, it's always going to be in a holster anyway unless you're cleaning it or messing with it (with no ammo in sight). When the gun leaves the holster, your trigger finger discipline is good enough that you never put the finger inside the trigger guard anyway, so there's no need for a safety at all. You'll realize that your trigger finger is the only safety you need. "Keep your booger-hook off the bang-switch" is what my dad loves to say.

For those people who say having a safety is a good backup for redundancy as a 'just in case', or that it somehow makes the gun safer at all - I say those people have no business handling guns at all. If you can't keep your finger outside the trigger guard until you're ready to destroy something then you need to reevaluate your thoughts on keeping a gun around.

As for caliber, no matter what you choose, you need to get a self defense caliber. .380/.38 is the smallest (I should say 'weakest') acceptable caliber for SD and that's only because it allows you to carry a very small gun like a P238, P380, LCP/LCR, P3AT, etc. .357Sig, 9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP are all relatively equal and should be considered for SD use. Never a .22... ever. Cost should never be a factor. For the price of a .22, you can always buy a 9mm.

About calibers for self defense, read this: http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

Originally Posted by motorvated (Post 1919424)

Wow thanks a lot DC2.2GSR! Great view point and great advice. Ive been reading a lot and doing as much research as I can.

The Glock 26 has no accessory rail, which I dont like. I'de like to have the option of throwing on a light/laser system. I have also read that the Walther pk380 has a cheaper build and isnt very accurate. It seems like the Glock 19 and XDM are the two im focused on most as of now.

Originally Posted by cmr076 (Post 1919465)

you can get a crimson trace or lasermax for the glock if you hell bent on having a laser

Originally Posted by motorvated (Post 1919943)

$50!!?? wow thats a steal..that cant happen often right? I was actually thinking about going to a gun show, and maybe looking for a used hand gun. I figure if Im buying a Glock 19, I should be fine. those things can go 20K+ rounds with zero issues anyway.

Originally Posted by motorvated (Post 1919943)

$50!!?? wow thats a steal..that cant happen often right? I was actually thinking about going to a gun show, and maybe looking for a used hand gun. I figure if Im buying a Glock 19, I should be fine. those things can go 20K+ rounds with zero issues anyway.

Originally Posted by cmr076 (Post 1919950)

most lasers/lights are chinese **** that probably cost $3 to make! and the only thing I ever had fail on a glock was the guide rod snapping and that was after 10k + rounds... upgraded it to a metal one put a lot more rounds down range and not a hiccup or complaint from the gun