:eek: NO! Don't buy a Sigma!

If you buy a polymer S&W let it be absolutely nothing except an M&P. There are those among us who will say the Sigmas are just fine, etc. and that they go 'bang' every time, but that's about it. They're junk overall.

Better yet, buy Dave's G19. I shot it and it's a great gun.


About the 'sheep' article.. I have that at the top of my favorites list. I show that to people all the time. I have 'woken up' exactly 6 people just by sending them that link. If I could affect so many people within my small circle, I can't imagine all the good it has done since it was written. Dave Grossman is a smart guy. I have been waiting for my Amazon order for his "On Killing" and "On Combat" books for about a month and a half now. I forgot I even ordered them until last night when I checked my order status and realized I must have never hit the order button. I failed miserably. lol. I ordered them last night... I'm sure of it. I can't wait to read them.

im waiting to hear details about the Glock19, i would like it for some target shooting but for personal carry also

thanks for the input

M&P stands for? Metal & Polymer right? or Military Police issues?

I can almost guarantee that no matter who you talk to or what kind of research you do, you'll find that the G19 would easily rank in at least the top three guns for carry, target, and general 'everything' gun on anyone's list. The only one I shot was Dave's at our mini group shoot at CP a while back. I only fired one mag and that's all it took to make a good first impression. It was not phenomenal at anything and it was not mind blowingly 'awesome', it was just a very nice feeling gun. It pointed naturally and the recoil was very manageable. I would not hesitate to buy either the G19 or the G23 (the .40S&W version - same exact gun) for carry or general range use.

As for M&Ps, it stands for Military & Police. They're great guns. I've repeated it ad nauseum, but I reall really love me M&P40C. There are already a ton of aftermarket parts and resources for the M&Ps and we can only expect more in the future, especially with the gigantic M&P contracts that were recently signed with a crapload of Govt. agencies.

Thanks again for the input, i was thinking MP was military and police but the fact the S&W is metal and polymer had me thinking ha...

As you can probably tell im not looking to break the bank with this gun purchase as this will be MY first legal handgun purchase and getting a license to carry, however, this is not the first time ive shot handguns etc...

mainly have shot my dads walther p99, however, only a few times and he is not an avid shooter nor does he carry...mainly for piece of mind at our cabin house i think? ha

the M&Ps are nice guns, while I hate the 40 cal round either the glock or M&P would be a perfect well rounded gun... beware though svick, once you get one your going to try and justify 10 more haha

ha im sure thats how it goes, however, i want to get real comfortable with one gun and comfortable enough to begin to carry...

any more details on letting that glock go :cool: I will baby it and come summer once the money starts rollin in from work and being out of school i could move on with my on returning yours :)

little photo shoot of my favorite revolver.. a heavily customized pre-lock S&W 65 K frame

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...revolver-1.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r.../revolver2.jpg

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and carry mode

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...olvercarry.jpg

I'll put in a positive post about the S&W sigma. I carried a 9ve for about a year. It was a great gun. Put about 1000 rounds through it without any problems. I sold it to my friend who has probably put another 1000 rounds through it without any problems. I did remove a few springs and polish a few parts to get the trigger to where I liked it for target shooting. It was just as accurate as my Glock 26. If your looking for a cheap gun to start out with I'd reccomend it or a used Glock 19. I have shot a few M&Ps and just perfer the Glock a lot better.

made some progress on the AK tonight (i wonder what troll would say if I made a member journal for each gun build haha)

How she started:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...rms/fullak.jpg

disassembly begins:

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removed all the wood (this pic is pre-work)

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...recleaning.jpg

getting the commie grease and dirt off:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...ngstripped.jpg

Parts drying after being Gun Scrubber'd

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...eBarricade.jpg

the hardware drying after being gun scrubber'd

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...escleaning.jpg

The Lower is now SPOTLESS (i wish i took a before pic, she was disgusting)

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...wercleaned.jpg

Post gun scrubbing with barricade applied:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...barricaded.jpg

after paint stripper, steel wool, hot water and an oven a before and after (3 coats of stain 7 more to come and then clearing it)

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/Wood5050.jpg

everything gets stained!

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...atsofstain.jpg

coming back together (somewhat) still waiting on parts:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...cktogether.jpg

I should be finishing the stock tomorrow.

New purchase....

Saigi 12 with 5 mags and some good old military 00 buck shot

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...40/saiga12.jpg



oh wait, would this be considered a high capacity clip:o

no no no, there only 10rds.. hi-capacity is 33, DUHH. We have a drum for ours, you should look into it :)

Sent ya a PM on this in case the other guys don't scoop it up from you!

I am really up in the air about whether I want to sell it, I dont shoot her at all any more but it was my first handgun so there is a certain level of sentiment attached to the gun, plus I would probably want way more than anyone would be willing to pay.

It's cool, I completely understand. I don't know if I would ever be willing to part with my XDM, even if somebody gave me a ridiculously high offer.

Picked up a new host gun for the sear:
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/5189/img0960i.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9210/img0959y.jpg
The guy has a bunch of HK clones for sale. Really nice guy (SOT) located up in allentown. He doesn't have a retail shop....he mostly does online sales.

I am not even going to pretend I am not jealous.. you sir have the makings of a clone of my dream gun

if you would stop spending money on guns that are "just cuz" you could have one

I'm planning on heading to Classic Pistol tomorrow (Sun) if anyone wants to join. I don't know what time, probably somewhere around noon.

where is that located?

Classic Pistol home page

Map and stuff