DO NOT LOOK AT THE CX4, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT PRICE!!! ugh, those things suck. It's a $600 gun right now, and just last year it was a $300 gun. No changes were made, other than price. As to being the most accurate he has shot, most accurate what?!??!?! Those things are pretty accurate out to 50 yards, but I wouldn't even consider using "most accurate" with the CX4 in the carbine category.

If you can get a hold of a Colt, it's always a nice thing to do. It's one of the best AR's you can get (from a pure build/parts stand point alone). You can't have any fancy stuff on the AR's though, that's what sucks. BUT, it's better to have what you can get than not have one at all. Before you know it, you won't be able to have the chance to buy one.

As to the 92FS, do yourself a favor and read a couple of reviews, mainly from military personal on the M9 (the army version of the FS). I'm sure others can reply here also if they have enough experience with it. Take your money back on the deposit. You really can spend your money better elsewhere, but if you want to buy it, nobodies stopping you. Gun's just aren't a good thing to do impulse buys on unless you know exactly what you are buying (remember, the gun shop is a store and the people working are SALESmen, they will tell you anything to make the sale, most are clueless). And remember, gun stores have HUGE mark-ups 99% of the time. It pays to price shop. EDIT: Apparently some do like the M9 after reading chair-forces' reply. Here are some quick reviews on the gun...
http://www.defensereview.com/modules...owcontent&id=1

Good buy on the Mossberg, they're fun little guns!

They aren't thermolds or other old crappy plastic "training" mags. They are Magpul Pmags, and feed 100% on just about every FA they have been through (the two that are in my picture were on a couple FA's before I bought them, newest release design). MANY service men over seas have tested them with great reviews.

Yea I went the other day and shot the CX4 and G19 for ****s and giggles. The G19 felt comfortable and shot really nice so I think Im gonna go back and get my deposit back on the Beretta and price shop on the Glock. The CX4 left me feeling...ugh. It was nice but if I was gonna spend that kind of money Id save the extra 300 and get the AR. Is 1100 a fair price for the AR15?

I'm guessing that the Colt was a post-ban sporter, so $1100 is more than fair for an asking price. It's next to impossible to find a good condition Colt ar for under $1000 (there are a couple for sale right now for $999.99, cheapest I can find). Did it have a "fixed" carry handle (as in built in to the upper), or did it have a detachable carry? Was it a heavy barrel?

As to looking for another handgun, don't forget that Classic Pistol had that HK USP .40 compact for $500.

Isnt .40 cal most expensive to shoot? But a HK pistol for 500 is a good price. I wonder what I need to do to buy in PA. I think I could make up the cost of ammo for the fact its a HK USP.

Once this paperwork comes in maybe Ill make the trip. Steve, next time you're there see if they still have the USP and if they have a XD9 in stock and the price of it.

It's actually an HK usp .45 compact, and I'm twiddling my thumbs deciding if I want to get it right now. They usually sell for between $600-650 used (800-900 new), so it's a killer deal.

damn you. I want it.

No XD's in stock, but they can order...


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(obviously) I picked up the HK, but I have to go to a party so I didn't get to shoot it.

Well I guess Im picking up a G19 then. lol

The first rule of buying a handgun is finding something that feels right in your hands. It could be the best deal in the world but if it doesnt feel right, its not worth it.

wise man. As stupid and generic as it sounds, it's 100% dead on.

However, if you are collecting and trying to average 10-15 guns/year, I would HIGHLY rec seeking out good deals! I ONLY buy deals that I am willing to "die by the sword" by, meaning, guns that I trust (aka guns that I am comfortable with)

Steve knows Im only kidding with him. If I wanted it that badly I would have hopped in the car and drove down there. .45 cal is alittle bigger then I want right now since Im spending alot of time at the range and just joined the IDPA I want handguns that won't cost alot to shoot alot. The G19 is comfortable to me and shoots nice in my opinion. So far Ive tested the G19, G26, XD9, 92FS, and the CX4. Ive held the G17 and it felt so uncomfortable I didnt want to shoot it. So for what Im looking for I think Ive made some good choices with the 19 and XD9.

damn dude, now u have 3 of my fav guns

i want a glock 26 and a usp compact, either a 45 or a 9mm, it would be a hard choice. whens the next time your going to CP you gotta let me try that hk :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Funding and arming a militia getting expensive, itstock???

I'm starting to think that buying firearms is like a heroine addiction for you!

I'll be there Tuesday and/or Wednesday night.

Just yesterday my friends said that I need to find a hobby, but buying guns IS my new hobby! The good thing about it is, unlike cars and buying parts (ugh, thousands and thousands spent and lost on car parts), the guns never decrease in value.

guns always decrease in value, unless its an assault weapon and they have a ban.
if i hear about a ban anytime soon im gonna pick up like 100 high capicity mags for popular handguns

oh yeah let me know wat time ur going cuz ill definetly be there, buy some extra ammo if u can and ill pay for it

Can you sell them freely once a banned is imposed? Are they grandfathered in as pre-banned? Im curious how that works.

A used gun doesn't decrease in value. A new gun only takes the initial hit of a tiny bit of money. My old mans Glock 17 that is from the mid 80's, bought for something like $350 can now be sold for $450. His uzi was bought for a couple hundred....now around $1000. The ppk was bought for (he wasn't exactly sure) around $350 15 years ago...now they are selling for anywhere between $450 and $700.

My Glock 26 was bought used for $400 almost 2 years ago. I can now sell it for either the same $400, or sell for going rate of closer to $450. My shotgun was bought used for $200 4 years ago, I can now sell it for the same $200 or make money and sell for $300. My Winchester 94 30/30 was bought 10 years ago for $450 (new). They are now selling used for $800-1000.

In fact, I can't think of any example of a gun in my house that was bought and isn't worth at least what it was years ago. 9 out of 10 times they go up with the market value (example is my old mans 20 year old Glock, increased do to simple dollar amount going up). Buying guns are as good as buying gold (especially slightly used/great condition guns). Are there investments with better returns? Sure. Do you get to hold the other investments, play with them, etc? Not usually. Do most investments involve some risk? Of course. But stating "guns always decrease in value" is completely false, on just about every front.

As long as it's the same ban as last time, that is correct. It is considered a Pre-ban item....example is pre 1986 full auto items. You could buy them from I believe 1968 through 1986 from the factory. Once the ban was set in 1986, you could no longer purchase a new full auto (unless you are a dealer or leo). So now you have "pre ban" full autos that you can buy, although quite expensive. It's the same thing with the last assault weapons ban, pre ban weapons were 100% legal, including high cap mags. You just couldn't purchase them new. 30round HK mags were selling for roughly $150 during the ban, while pre ban they were only $40. Run of the mill AR-15's that were bough pre-ban for $800 were selling for $3000 during the ban.

That ban had a sunset date, thankfully. HOWEVER, the new ban imposed has no sunset and will be permanent (if it's ever passed). Hopefully it won't be passed and I'll get to continue paying reasonable prices, as well as personally enjoy shooting (and passing them down eventually).

buying used is a different story, new guns usually always go down, used gones usually stay the same if taken care of, except pre ban, and ur glock from the 1980s might be worth 100 more now, the cost of living went up too.

im not trying to prove anyone wrong or start an argument, my first post i was really referring to brand new guns

I agree with this all (when I stated market value of dollar, I was referring to same thing as your cost of living). I have only bought two other guns brand new, my PS90 and my XCR (besides the winchester). Both have since increased in price by a couple hundred dollars from the manufacturers, so my now used guns are still worth more than what I paid new. :mrgreen: XCR was $1300 out the door when I bought it, now I can sell it used for $1300-1400 (rather easily since they are hard to come by). My PS90 was bought for $1450 out the door, and now they are selling for, on average, $1799 (plus tax, I have seen them for as low as $1500, and as high as $2300, used they are selling for right around $1500).

BTW, I'll be at CP around 7 on Tuesday night. Did you want me to bring any of the other guns besides for the HK? Oh, and Den9, you also mentioned that you want either the .45 or 9mm. How about the .40? My brother has uspc .40 (although his is the bling bling stainless version) and it's a great in-between round.