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cmr076 11-17-2010 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR (Post 1854171)
I'm in. It's a hike, but hey.. I don't do a damn thing on the weekends anyway. lol. Shooting pistols too or just the long guns? I guess I have to get a range safety thinger for each range right?

ive never been there so we will be getting those range dealies together (my buddy jons gonna come too, you met him at the last shoot) i'll bring pistols, probably just my 1911 unless you have anything else you want me to bring. not sure if the PS90 would be fun there but we'll bring it for ****s and giggles probably.

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Originally Posted by rodder (Post 1854192)
uhhh, yeah... don't do that. :eek:

Seriously, I thought that was common knowledge among PA gun owners. Methinks someone needs to do some lurking and reading over on PAFOA...

another life potentially ruined by the friendly gun-hating ****hole called NJ:
http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-d...or_having.html

Basically your life depends on your knowledge of the laws if you own a gun. Innocent guys who've done nothing but POSSESS a gun are the only people they seem to actually make "examples" of. The multiple-convicted felons always get the plea bargains. :furious::furious::furious::furious:

agreed, i would say mail it to yourself... seriously.

DC2.2GSR 11-17-2010 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rodder (Post 1854190)
Sorry, but I'm not sure that's the right attitude. Being considerate of others is one of the things that will work HUGELY in our favor. (besides it just being kind of a "humanly" thing to do, the 'ol golden rule and all :wink:)

If you have the option of either: a)brushing off anyone's feelings (regardless of whether they're legitimate or not - I tend to think feelings are feelings and are always legitimate) who expresses discomfort with your carry method... or, b)offering them a flyer and simply explaining that what you are doing is 100% legal and wishing them a nice day, I'd recommend leaning towards (b) as much as possible.

Sure, some people are just dicks and will never change their minds but they're in the minority. The vast majority of people who don't know about guns are mostly just curious. They may have insecurities and misconceptions that cause them to initially react negatively but the absolute worst thing you could do would be to just mumble something and ignore them.

I feel that with the way guns are currently portrayed in the media (evil incarnate - except in the movies :roll::furious::bs:) that choosing to OC includes the responsibility of being an "ambassador" of sorts for the law-abiding gun community. Of course, this is all just my sometimes-not-so-humble opinion, so take it FWIW. But as the saying goes, you can catch more bees with honey... :afro:

Although olletsocmit only said something about people looking at him funny, I'm not talking about the people who give funny looks or ask questions or even the ones who express a little discomfort. Those people haven't turned off their brains yet, they're just reacting the way they've been conditioned to act. They don't know any better and in some cases are even able to actually produce a rational thought for themselves and develop an opinion that they can articulate and hold a conversation about. Those are the people that will take and maybe even read a PAFOA or open carry flyer. I've talked to a few people like this when OCing and they were all cool with it once I explained even a few small details about OC.

I'm talking specifically about people like the Best Buy stalker here (and all the PPD involved as well) and the guy who harassed this girl. Those people have turned off their brains a long time ago. They don't care if it's legal, they don't care if you're not a criminal, all they care about is the fact that they hate guns and you have a gun so they hate you by default. No matter what made them the way they are, there's no reasoning with those people. At a certain point it must become "F*** off, it's legal and I'll carry how I'd like", no matter if it's said in those words exactly or in a more polite way.

Again though, personally I'm not really all about open carry in my daily routine.. it's just not for me. I might OC like 2% of the times that I carry. I'm not really into the attention I get once in a while even though most people are too numbed to even look around them and see someone carrying a gun. I'm just very much for the right to do so if I want.

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Originally Posted by cmr076 (Post 1854200)
ive never been there so we will be getting those range dealies together (my buddy jons gonna come too, you met him at the last shoot) i'll bring pistols, probably just my 1911 unless you have anything else you want me to bring. not sure if the PS90 would be fun there but we'll bring it for ****s and giggles probably.

Hey anything you feel like stuffing into the car is fine with me. lol. I don't expect to shoot much and I sure don't have to shoot at all. As far as I'm concerned I'm cool with just coming to watch and hang out. I know you said you're cool with ammo usage as long as no one takes advantage, but I really don't have the cash flow to do much compensating for rounds that I throw downrange so I'll just keep it to a minimum. lol. I feel bad shooting a lot and then just saying "uhh.. you can shoot my boring carry gun if you want" haha. I'll shoot my M&P if we head to the pistol range but it's no big deal if we don't.

Honestly I haven't done sh** for like a month so I'm all about getting out of the house and just smelling some burnt powder :mrgreen:

cmr076 11-17-2010 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR (Post 1854230)
Hey anything you feel like stuffing into the car is fine with me. lol. I don't expect to shoot much and I sure don't have to shoot at all. As far as I'm concerned I'm cool with just coming to watch and hang out. I know you said you're cool with ammo usage as long as no one takes advantage, but I really don't have the cash flow to do much compensating for rounds that I throw downrange so I'll just keep it to a minimum. lol. I feel bad shooting a lot and then just saying "uhh.. you can shoot my boring carry gun if you want" haha. I'll shoot my M&P if we head to the pistol range but it's no big deal if we don't.

Honestly I haven't done sh** for like a month so I'm all about getting out of the house and just smelling some burnt powder :mrgreen:

dont be ridiculous, ill bring at LEAST 150 rounds of 308 and if you interested in the dragunov 1000-2000 rounds (crates were cheap at VFGC haha) I dont need any money. believe it or not i DID like shooting your carry gun last time, it was the first M&P i'd ever shot and I liked it a lot.

Ill bring a deck of cards for the pistol range and we can try some of the new games ive been working on (assuming they are as cool as CPI), its lots of fun! If theres anywhere out near you with some distance id be willing to make the trip out that way, i dont really like the idea of having to "qualify" to shoot at a range (wicens) but i also hate the SGLs 3 round limit... catch 22 i suppose.

Let me know what you'd be up for and ill be there... id really like to find somewhere with 200-600 yards, wicens is only 100.

AutobahnRacer 11-17-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rodder (Post 1853322)
OK, first of all, a 1911 isn't a good personal protection handgun?!!?? That's what they issued to every US soldier up until the mid 80s and is still the preferred side arm for many of the Special Forces guys. As for civilians, I know a few people who refuse to carry anything BUT a 1911. So whoever told you a 1911 is not a good carry gun is, basically, insane. :wink:

That said, I think you may be confusing the Springfield XD with a 1911. The XD is most similar to a glock and is a totally different firearm than a 1911. The XD is a polymer frame, striker-fired, SAO pistol. You would be doing yourself a great disservice by not considering one.

As for the P95, I've never fired one, but have held one in my hands and my immediate initial reaction was, "damn that's a big, heavy ****ing gun". I bet you'd have an easier (and more comfortable) time concealing a government model M1911.

Missed the XD Thought that was a big ass smiley face.





Does any of this hold any weight?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_ca..._United_States

~Brian~ 11-17-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Carministrator (Post 1854344)
Missed the XD Thought that was a big ass smiley face.


Hahaa

rodder 11-17-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Carministrator (Post 1854344)
Missed the XD Thought that was a big ass smiley face.





Does any of this hold any weight?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_ca..._United_States

LOL...

Wiki doesn't really ever hold weight ;) ... but the info presented in that particular wiki seems to be pretty good.

AutobahnRacer 11-17-2010 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rodder (Post 1854446)
LOL...

Wiki doesn't really ever hold weight ;) ... but the info presented in that particular wiki seems to be pretty good.

So you would say regarding legality of open carrying it is permitted in PA?

Xavier 11-17-2010 01:20 PM

Open carry is most definitely permitted by law in PA. The only exception other than the obvious Federal buildings and whatnot would be in a city of the first class, i.e., Philadelphia, in which one would need to possess a License to Carry Firearms in order to legally open carry.

AutobahnRacer 11-17-2010 01:34 PM

Woah back up a second, I thought to carry at all, you need to have license to carry. Are you saying without a license at all I could open carry, unless I am in Philly which I will need a license?

rodder 11-17-2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Carministrator (Post 1854472)
Woah back up a second, I thought to carry at all, you need to have license to carry. Are you saying without a license at all I could open carry, unless I am in Philly which I will need a license?

yes that is exactly right.

If you are on foot, and not traveling in a vehicle (you can't put the gun in the trunk and then when you get to your destination take it out and holster it unless you meet one of the listed exemptions, ie: traveling to and from a range, gun shop, gunsmith, etc.) you may carry openly without any license or permit unless you are in a city of the first class (of which there is only one in PA - Philly). You need a LTCF if you want to open carry in Philly

AutobahnRacer 11-17-2010 02:26 PM

That is very interesting, I did not know that. Chances are cops will give you **** though right? How would you do this though in the winter when wearing a coat? The coat would cover it and it would be concealed at that point.

AutobahnRacer 11-17-2010 04:19 PM

You guys hear btw on Preston and Steve, A truck dealership in another state boosted its truck sales by giving a free AK47 with each purchase?

1988 Olds 11-17-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Carministrator (Post 1854513)
That is very interesting, I did not know that. Chances are cops will give you **** though right? How would you do this though in the winter when wearing a coat? The coat would cover it and it would be concealed at that point.

You wouldn't be able to open carry and have a coat on. Thats why 99% of us just get out LTCF just so we don't have to deal with any stuff like that.

1988 Olds 11-17-2010 04:27 PM

I'm currently in the market for a scope to put on my Mosin Nagant. I'm looking to spend in the $150-$250 range. I'll be shooting 95% at 100 yards or less with a few shoots out to 200 yards. I'm not really sure what zoom scope I want as all I currently own rifle wise is a .22 with a 3-9x scope from the factory on it. Can anyone reccomend some scopes to look at and what zoom range they fell is necessary for the range I will be shooting. This gun will probably never be used for hunting. Just want a scope that will hold up and let me see the holes in a target at 100 yards. If anyone can speak from experience with a certian scope that would be awesome. Currently I've been looking at a few scopes from Mueller and Vortex.

rodder 11-17-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Carministrator (Post 1854513)
That is very interesting, I did not know that. Chances are cops will give you **** though right?

Cops will and often do give people **** for OCing... problem is anything more than a mere "encounter" with the police and your rights have been violated. If you are merely OCing and you are detained by the police, have your weapon confiscated, LTCF demanded, etc., various courts have already ruled it's a violation of your 4th and 5th amendment rights and is grounds for a civil suit against the arresting officers. Police need to have something called "RAS" (reasonable, articulable suspicion) that a crime is or is about to be committed in order to detain/investigate/demand ID from someone.

If you are harassed or detained by police for OCing, you have won what is referred to in tighter circles as "the OC lottery".

Most recent example:
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...-carry-lawsuit

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On September 8, 2009, Federal District Judge Bruce D. Black, issued an order previously examined here, that concluded as a matter of law that Alamogordo police officiers violated Matthew St. John's constitutional rights under the Fourth Amendment because they seized and disarmed him even though there was not "any reason to believe that a crime was afoot." Judge Black's opinion is consistent with numerous high state and federal appellate court rulings, including the United States Supreme Court, holding that there is no firearms exception to the Fourth Amendment.

rodder 11-17-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Carministrator (Post 1854513)
How would you do this though in the winter when wearing a coat? The coat would cover it and it would be concealed at that point.

drop-leg holster. :mrgreen:

http://www.tacticalandhuntinggear.ne..._holster22.jpg

rodder 11-17-2010 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Carministrator (Post 1854577)
You guys hear btw on Preston and Steve, A truck dealership in another state boosted its truck sales by giving a free AK47 with each purchase?

they did this last year as well and the anti-gun media raised holy hell about it. Of course no one who got one of the rifles has gone on any shooting sprees as of yet. :roll:

BTW, it's not an AK47. A real AK47 is a fully-automatic assault rifle. The rifles this dealer is giving away (and the so-called "AK47"s owned by thousands of law abiding US citizens) are in fact semi-automatic variants using the same basic platform as the AK. I'd bet my bottom dollar the rifles this guy is giving away are the cheaply produced and widely distributed Romanian semi-auto AK clones referred to as WASR-10s.

AutobahnRacer 11-17-2010 05:36 PM

That is true, habbit since I normally only talk about real ones with my friends, especially since full auto is a big hassle to get a license for in the US

DC2.2GSR 11-17-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Carministrator (Post 1854643)
That is true, habbit since I normally only talk about real ones with my friends, especially since full auto is a big hassle to get a license for in the US

It's actually very easy, just very expensive to purchase a transferable auto or a transferable auto sear that you can install in a regular semi-auto gun. You only need a signature from your local CLEO (i.e. - police chief) and $200 for the tax stamp and a few months wait for the BATFE to process your paperwork. There's no license required for Full auto, suppressors, short barreled rifles/shotguns, 'AOW's (Any Other Weapon), etc.

Read this: http://forum.pafoa.org/nfa-class-3-t...ppressors.html

~Brian~ 11-17-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rodder (Post 1854599)


I'd love to get one of those for my XDM..

Edit... found one...

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemD...px?sku=TAC-125


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