True, I think I will probably be fine without one, at least until I decide to get a roommate.Then I will lock it away.

http://www.bedgunsafe.com/


Look at this way. It gives you more of a reason to buy more guns.:cool:

I'd love a 1911, my favorite gun, however 2 issues: 1) Out of my price range, 2) I have been told by multiple people it is not a good PP Gun.


And as to my earlier question, what I was trying to get at is if anybody can suggest some specific local stores. The only one I know of is targetmaster.

Again for anyone else I am specifically looking for P95. Please give input

When I am reunited with my XDM in Dec, we should go shooting. I think you'll like the way she shoots. lol

I find www.budsgunshop.com hard to beat on a lot of items. Some of his specials are insane. You just have to find a local dealer with cheap transfer fee's to have it ship too.

what area do you live in?

OK, first of all, a 1911 isn't a good personal protection handgun?!!?? That's what they issued to every US soldier up until the mid 80s and is still the preferred side arm for many of the Special Forces guys. As for civilians, I know a few people who refuse to carry anything BUT a 1911. So whoever told you a 1911 is not a good carry gun is, basically, insane. :wink:

That said, I think you may be confusing the Springfield XD with a 1911. The XD is most similar to a glock and is a totally different firearm than a 1911. The XD is a polymer frame, striker-fired, SAO pistol. You would be doing yourself a great disservice by not considering one.

As for the P95, I've never fired one, but have held one in my hands and my immediate initial reaction was, "damn that's a big, heavy ****ing gun". I bet you'd have an easier (and more comfortable) time concealing a government model M1911.

to the 1911

1) you can get a taurus 1911 for right around what you want to spend, i know... its a taurus but my friend has one and i think it shoots great.

2) where did you hear that? i carry my full size springfield TRP 8+1 in the gun and an extra 8rds in my weak side pocket full of golden sabers, its a pretty nasty round i wouldnt want to be hit with... And i am more proficient with my 1911 than any other gun i own.

this card was stuck sideways through a cardboard backer shot at 10 yards.. yea it took 3 shots to get it but it should give you an idea of how any gun can make a great PP gun, it usually comes down to the end user

http://i52.tinypic.com/286tu7a.jpg

also check out classic pistol for good deals and claytons for **not as good of deals and a ****tier experience**

Taurus makes a great 1911 for the price. I owned one and the only reason I sold it was to free up some cash for a Sig P229. And as cmr076 said...whoever told you that a 1911 isn't a good PP gun...you should slap that person upside their head.

Soooo yeah.. on a different note. Anyone carry Speer Gold Dot ammunition? Rethink your choice if you do. I won't immediately bash the company or throw my $28/20 round boxes off a bridge but I'm really having seconds thoughts about carrying them.

Today I got a chance to shoot at some water jugs with some old clothes covering them and I had four rounds out of five fired get clogged with fabric and fail to expand. One got clogged going through 3 t-shirts and two got clogged going through one layer of denim jeans. One I shot through a thin piece of wood paneling and then into the water and it too failed to expand. I know that certain "law enforcement" rounds are designed to delay expansion when shot through semi-solid objects, but to not expand at all? I don't know about that. Sure it's not the most bulletproof (lol) ballistics test ever performed but I'm definitely a little pissed that I've been carrying possibly ineffective and therefore dangerous rounds every day. I've been practicing my Google-fu the last hour or so and I've found some issues mentioned, but no more than any other brand. For now I've switched back to the HST Tactical in both carried mags. They've passed the same test many times and I've collected the flower-petaled rounds from the broken jugs. I only switched them out because I had severe denting issues and it made me a little concerned with the thought of relying on overpressured and maybe misshapen rounds. That was only after the advice of some smarter-than-me ballistics pros.

Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? The only one I managed to hang onto was the one fired through wood. It didn't even break the jacket perforations, it just dented the one side. The white smudges are probably the white paint the wood had on it. I already picked out the wood that clogged it up, probably should have just left it there. lol. oops. Here's that one:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...dintexpand.jpg

As we move into winter, I have been thinking the same thing.

I am currently carrying Hornady Critical Defense in my .40. Anybody have thoughts on these rounds?

I had to ninja edit. lol. I forgot about the one through wood, so it was 4/5, not 3/5.

And yeah, that was my thinking as well. I really have no reason to be all armchair tactical operator about it, but I do want to make sure that if I ever have to pull the trigger that the rounds are going to do their thing the right way and I will be able to focus on more important things... like not dying. lol.

i have them in my glock and as winter carry for my 1911, "apparently" the plastic doo-dad in the tip is better for penetrating thicker clothes...

If your really worried about it pick up some black talons, I have them for when i really wanna be badass

First off, thank you for sharing that information. I found it very helpful and alarming at the the same time.

I may have missed it, but what caliber round were you using? Like you i am not a ballistics expert, could it just have been a box of "bad" ammo? Even if that were the case, its not good to think that any ammo we have could be that weak in a critical situation.

I have used CorBon in my carry pistols. When i have fired it at the range, it was very accurate but i am not sure of its penetrating power.

Where did you get black talons? I thought they stopped making them and changed the line to the SXT's?

Sorry for the fuzzy pics.. I tried to show the bottom of the casing but I guess it's tough to read. The camera I was using is complete crap lol. They are 180 grain .40S&W Speer Gold Dots.

I ruled out the 'bad' box of ammo since I used rounds from two separate boxes. Three rounds were from the most recent box that I bought at Cabela's about two weeks ago and the other two rounds were from my spare carry magazine which is filled with Gold Dots I bought a few months back.

Again, it's not exactly lab-quality ballistics test but they should definitely expand.. I've never seen a hollow point that didn't expand when shot into water jugs through fabric.

As for the Black Talons... people seem to be fascinated with them for some reason and they think they're something special so they'll pay insane amounts per box. You can still find some on forums and on GunBroker. I see no point, the SXT is identical, just without the 'evil' black lubalox crap.

as far as the black talons go... what he said^^^

The SXTs are identical, they're just not black. That's what I carry in my LCP.

As for Gold Dots, that's what both my wife and I carry in our HD pieces. They're standard issue for NJSP in .40 as well as the FBI's 9mm.

FWIW (re: FBI duty ammo):
At this point I'd have to guess there's something up with either your testing or the ammo (or the gun? - maybe gold dots need a longer barrel??) since these agencies have such stringent and thorough testing. It is interesting to note that they are phasing out the .40 cal gold dots but not the 9mm. Maybe it has to do with the .40S&W cartridge itself? Since my wife depends on an M&P 9c with gold dots this probably needs some further research on my part... want to come up to my buddies farm for a day of "testing" before it starts getting really cold? :mrgreen:

hmmm interesting... :confused::rolleyes:

oh yeah...

CASTLE DOCTRINE PASSED THE HOUSE LAST NIGHT!!!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...17_49053_n.jpg

Now all we need is for Rendell to sign it!!! If you want this bill passed let's hammer the Gov's office with phone calls, faxes, emails, personal visits, carrier pigeons, etc etc. Tell them you want HB 1926, the "Megan's Law and Castle Doctrine Expansion Bill" immediately signed and passed into law by the Governor.

get him!!

Governor Edward G. Rendell
225 Main Capitol Building
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17120

Phone: (717) 787-2500
Fax: (717) 772-8284

email: http://www.governor.state.pa.us/port..._office/465341

i was semi-kidding about the black talons, i got them from gun broker around the same premise as hiring a midget stripper... its just cool to have. You guys take everything so damn serious! maybe ill bring a midget stripper to the next group shoot no one will show up to :wink: