fun with exploding targets: :)

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We only had exploding apples...

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nice photo! How'd you catch that shot?

i'd probably fire off a burst of frames starting a second before trigger pull until about a second after.

Pretty much, just held the button down until he fired and the apple evaporated. That was the AR.

I hit a coconut at 200 yards with the .308 just to settle an argument as to what would happen. The shock of the projectile hitting the liquid in the middle exploded the shell out, leaving one entrance hole and no exit hole. Good times.

yup, that's how I got this shot of my buddy:

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I miss my .40

what, the XDm? Is it out for sight installation?

Nope, it's up on Vermont for the next few months. The old man flipped on me and said if I don't leave it in Vermont, I can't come back and live in the house.

is your dad actually afraid you'll go on a shooting spree in the house or something? Please tell me he didn't buy into the Brady Bunch's lie about being safer without a gun in the home. :roll:

you coming to the group shoot at least?

nooones coming to the group shoot unless you lazy bastards vote on a day!

He's one of those people that need to be in complete control ALL the time or they have a complex.

I'll try to make it, but school has me pretty busy.

something to discuss:

I am sitting with my attorney of a father at dinner he isnt pro gun, he isnt against guns so to say, he is pro constitution. Aaron can chime in, he's met him. He is literally the most intelligent person i have ever met, he never says something without carefully thinking about his answer. He said something to me tonight that stuck with me when i was ranting about HB40 (castle doctrine).

"dave, we don't need more laws... we have enough regulations and restrictions and limitations that are being so poorly enforced it makes me sick. What we need is someone in a position of power to creatively figure out a way to get the guns out of the hands of the bad guys, then you and your gun buddies wouldn't have to worry about gun laws"

discuss.

two things...

Unfortunately in a free society there is no realistic way to keep bad people from getting weapons. Therefore, the best way to combat gun crime is to lock up people who commit violent crimes for a LONG time. Basically, enforce the damn laws on the books and stop plea bargaining away the firearms charges that have minimum sentencing guidelines for a reason.

This is almost commonplace in Chicago (yes, the most anti-gun city in the country), simply so they can keep collecting funds for the city because gun charges would be brought at the federal and not local level. Philly is another city that pretends to hate people with guns but rarely enforces the laws on the books when it comes to felony firearm possession. There are studies showing states with looser gun laws generally come down harder on people who abuse their right to bear arms while the anti-gun states actually tend to be much more lenient with sentencing when it comes to firearms charges.

Swiftly locking away the animals among us the first time they get out of line would go pretty far considering that something like 90 percent of homicides by gun are committed by convicted felons.

Second, by far the most important reason for a truly free people to have access to private arms is because there was, is and will always be the looming threat of a tyrannous government. When the inevitable happens (whether it be 10 yrs from now or 1000), the intended slaves need to be able to offer an effective resistance to tyranny. That's the reason there will also always be a need for people to fight to maintain that right. As they say, giving up the right to bear arms is a mistake a free people get to make only once.

I'm curious to hear your father's thoughts. I also consider my father to be the smartest man I've ever met. (electrical engineer, multiple patents, mensa member, yada, yada...) He grew up in NY, lives in NJ, doesn't own a gun, and I'm not even sure if he's ever shot one, but every time I tell him about anti-gun politician's stances or especially when I told him how 4 out of 9 Supreme Court judges argued that the 2nd Amendment doesn't protect an individual right to bear arms he flips the **** out and starts ranting. lol

if my GF wasnt so hot id marry you! (no homo) my dad is 100% for individuals owning guns, protecting themselves and their own, he is on the fence about OC because of the attention it draws but understands and respects the constitutionality of it.

out of curiosity did your dad rant pr or anti?

Haha sorry bud, I'm a married man. :wink:

My dad's rants lean pro-gun, but are mostly just pro-constitution. He understands how much intellectual dishonesty is required to actually attempt to argue that the 2nd Amendment only protects the right to bear arms in relation to service in a militia.

Since finding out about my gun collection and regular practice sessions he's shown an interest in going out shooting with me but it just hasn't happened yet. It'd be nice to get another pro-gun convert across enemy lines in jersey. :)

When I turn 21 I'm getting a gun.. Whats a good 'starter' gun? Small, doesnt need to be too powerful, easy to use.. etc. I'm a girl so I don't trust myself with something too crazy ya know..

don't limit yourself. self defense is about leveling the playing field, putting females at a male's level of strength (in most cases anyway lol). even if you're not interested in self defense, shooting sports in general is just about the gun and the incredible fun that goes along with it. a girl can pull the same trigger that a guy can and to shoulder or hold the same weapon and withstand the recoil is mostly about technique, not brute strength. as far as 'trusting yourself'... whether it's a .22LR (basically a large BB gun) or a .50BMG sniper rifle, it's a gun and it needs to be respected. once you get the basics down and are able to learn more and get more comfortable to the point where you're ready to buy a gun and possibly carry it, you'll realize that a gun is a gun, and caliber doesn't matter. the .22LR can kill just like the .50BMG can.

anyway, what is the gun going to be used for? do you plan on getting a License to Carry Firearms and carrying it or do you just want to kill paper with it? if you want to carry, have you thought about how you want to carry? purse, hip (open carry), hip (inside waistband), small of the back, belly band, etc.? if not, that's fine. let us know what you plan to do with the gun and we can go from there.

how old are you now? The best recommendation I can possibly give you is to go somewhere you can shoot lots of different guns, such as a range (or the group shoot we're planning in the "events" forum :wink:)

If you've never fired a handgun before, I would highly advise you start with a .22 and work up from there. Most women have no problem shooting .45 caliber and even bigger as long as they're using proper technique.

Finding a friendly, patient and responsible firearms enthusiast to help show you the ropes is invaluable.

and before you ever even so much as touch a firearm, you should have "The Four Rules" memorized:

1. ALWAYS treat EVERY gun as if it were loaded.

2. NEVER point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy or kill

3. Keep your finger OFF the trigger until your gun is on target

4. Always identify your target and what is behind it