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How are you even jumping to these kinds of conclusions?

You really need to think before you type bro...

No, I do not consider the woman a murder. If she is willing to go that far, there must be a legitimate reason for it. And as I have said this entire time, I've ALWAYS been pro choice. That is MY choice. If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, no matter who the father is, it is up to HER to decide because she is the once carrying it.

Everybody has their own opinion on this subject. That is mine.

I can only assume by what you post... you consider an unborn fetus a human. And from the first quote, i assume you mean that abortion is the killing of a human.

now, what is murder? the killing of another human... right? i think i got that one correct...

so, through a logical thought process, one can conclude, based on the "evidence" above, to you... that the choice to have an abortion, is a choice to have a person killed, which would be a choice to have committed murder... which would mean... the woman, having made the choice, would be a murderer

i'm pro-choice too... but you're not making sense...

as far as it being JUST the chicks choice... it isn't... it takes two to tango. That possible baby is as much yours as it is hers. She doesn't have the indisputable right to destroy that "child" w/o your consent. granted, i don't see many men interested in having a child with a one night stand...

~Brian~

01-19-2009 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1238190)

i can only assume from the above that you are talking about abortion, as that is the current topic

I can only assume by what you post... you consider an unborn fetus a human. And from the first quote, i assume you mean that abortion is the killing of a human.

now, what is murder? the killing of another human... right? i think i got that one correct...

so, through a logical thought process, one can conclude, based on the "evidence" above, to you... that the choice to have an abortion, is a choice to have a person killed, which would be a choice to have committed murder... which would mean... the woman, having made the choice, would be a murderer

i'm pro-choice too... but you're not making sense...

as far as it being JUST the chicks choice... it isn't... it takes two to tango. That possible baby is as much yours as it is hers. She doesn't have the indisputable right to destroy that "child" w/o your consent. granted, i don't see many men interested in having a child with a one night stand...

You can't murder something that hasn't been born, if you are looking to get that technical.

And no, I don't consider it murder. Others may, but that is their opinion.

How am I not making any sense? AGAIN, I do not like the idea of aborting an unborn baby, but if a woman gets raped by some piece of ****, don't you think she has the right to choose whether or not to keep the baby? Or if she gets pregnant by some dude she meets in the club and never sees him again, is it fair that she is stuck with that burden? I dont think so..

In my particular case, if this chick does in fact get pregnant and wants to get rid of it, I do give her my consent because AGAIN, that is MY choice.

As I posted earlier, she and I already talked about this. Her exact words were "Even if I do get pregnant, I am having an abortion. I do not want a kid right now and I can not support one."

Everybody has their own opinion on a subject this sensitive. This is mine.

russiankid

01-19-2009 10:43 PM

Was in Philly this weekend and the snow wasn't bad. Head back to where I live(Lancaster area) and I ended up plowing my whole street. My driveway wasn't as bad as it was already cleaned up but the streets had more snow.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e5...i/S6302241.jpg

Scapegoat

01-19-2009 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowboy459 (Post 1238197)

if you don't consider it murder... it isn't killing... which you said it was. unborn baby? what about when its kicking? its still unborn... i don't think they can have an abortion at that stage... but i do know that they've gotten to the point where they can abort a fetus at a relatively advanced stage of development

granted, my assumptions are based on knowing a person in a relatively friendly manner... rape victims are a whole nother topic... one nighters as well... most people aren't going to want to be having babies w/ a one nighter... but you should wrap it up ;)

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Everybody has their own opinion on a subject this sensitive. This is mine.

stop saying that...

~Brian~

01-19-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1238203)

but i do know that they've gotten to the point where they can abort a fetus at a relatively advanced stage of development

There are pills that you take once a pregnancy is confirmed. These pills basically force the woman to have a miscarriage.

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1238203)

granted, my assumptions are based on knowing a person in a relatively friendly manner... rape victims are a whole nother topic... one nighters as well... most people aren't going to want to be having babies w/ a one nighter... but you should wrap it up ;)

I am with you on that one.

I'll never let this happen again. And that is a promise.

ASIAN JUL

01-19-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowboy459 (Post 1238089)

Said that the chances of me getting her pregnant were slim to none and that even if I did, she would have an abortion right away.

Assured me that she would have an abortion.

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Originally Posted by Snowboy459 (Post 1238131)

As for me on abortion, I know its wrong and that is my choice. I've always been pro choice. There are some things I dont agree with the Catholic church on and that is one of them.

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Originally Posted by Snowboy459 (Post 1238149)

Very easily. Even though I'm not a fan of killing babies, I still think the woman has the right to choose. Who is the church, or other people for that matter, to say that she doesn't?

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Originally Posted by Snowboy459 (Post 1238160)

Yes, I can. Because that is my opinion.

As I just said, I don't like the idea of killing another human being, but that is not my choice to make. I think the woman has the right to choose, because each situation is different so it is up to her and nobody else to make that choice.

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Originally Posted by Snowboy459 (Post 1238197)

You can't murder something that hasn't been born, if you are looking to get that technical.

And no, I don't consider it murder. Others may, but that is their opinion.

You sound like you have no idea where you stand on abortions or what you think they involve. You can't use the words "killing another human being" or "killing babies" and then say it's not murder. Then what do you call it? Read your own posts again!

There are two exceptions that I wouldn't object to an abortion: rape victims and when it comes down to medical issues.. since there are ways that being pregnant/delivering a baby can kill a woman.

~Brian~

01-19-2009 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MyCarIsFTL (Post 1238222)

Fine, let me clear things up for you guys one more time then...

I AM OKAY WITH ABORTION.

I take back everything I posted tonight and will stand by this statement:

Call it murder if you want. I do not. The state declares it to be murder once the head has left the birth canal. Until that point, that little thing is fair game.

If you don't like that, too bad.

As for the church, they can go suck on the bible some more if they don't like my stance.

Each situation is unique. Not the church or any other human being on this planet has the right to tell a women what to do with the cluster of cells that she is carrying around in her womb.

If its wrong, we will all answer to God in the end.

/discussion.

ASIAN JUL

01-19-2009 11:09 PM

I stand by my offer on those flip flops. You need to think out an argument before you engage in one.

Scapegoat

01-19-2009 11:11 PM

i refuse to think... i do better when i don't...

i'm quieter in person b/c i think more about what i say so i don't stumble over the correct words...

**** thinking, more drinking

DropTopChevy

01-19-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lownslow95 (Post 1238166)

This is just for SnowBoy: http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...4314460584.jpg

I am laughing just as hard as the day we found that picture. :rotfl:

~Brian~

01-19-2009 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MyCarIsFTL (Post 1238244)

I stand by my offer on those flip flops. You need to think out an argument before you engage in one.

I was never trying to argue with you. You were the one who was always on my case.

If you go back to my posts, what i consistently said was that although I didn't like the idea of an abortion (no matter what it was considered to be), I was still for it.

So no, I'm not flip flopping here.

Scapegoat

01-19-2009 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowboy459 (Post 1238252)

thats a god damn flip flop right there...

you can't be ok with something you don't like the idea of

ASIAN JUL

01-19-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowboy459 (Post 1238252)

:bigeek: On your case? If you think that's me being on your case... Just think about what you're saying!

Just trying to get you to use your brain a little, at least more so than you did with the unsafe one night stand you had.

You can't call something murder or refer to it as "killing" a human being and then say it's okay, it's not murder. No, no, no.

lownslow95

01-19-2009 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DropTopChevy (Post 1238248)

I am laughing just as hard as the day we found that picture. :rotfl:

same here

Scapegoat

01-19-2009 11:19 PM

http://www.kennethdavid.net/images/g...Untitled-2.jpg

~Brian~

01-19-2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1238256)

thats a god damn flip flop right there...

you can't be ok with something you don't like the idea of

Oh really?

I don't like the idea of this war that we are fighting, but I accept it because I know that it is necessary.

Now lets take that logic and use it on the current discussion...

I may not like the idea of terminating a pregnancy, but I accept it because I know that sometimes it is necessary.

Now do you see what I have been trying to get across to you guys?

ASIAN JUL

01-19-2009 11:21 PM

So let's hear your interpretation on what the times are that you consider it "necessary?"

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