unless you shoot competitions or have access to an area where it is easy to shoot losing interest in this hobby is pretty easy, if you have to pack up all your **** to trek to some far away range to get stuffed into a box and shoot paper for 30 min it gets dry pretty easy

I enjoy shooting when the situation presents itself but if I don't go to the range for a month or more it's not something that bothers me, I havnt shot in a competition for a long time since my work schedule presents a challenge to free time but that is the most fun shooting I've had. I would rather shoot against someone than sit there and do drills or even go full auto.

Nice!
Probably wouldn't have known it was me anyway if you did see me. :wink:
^^^This
:bigeek: You feeling ok?
^^^This...I'm broke as f*ck but you'll never catch me without my firearm. Unless I'm at work...stupid college.:mad:
Do you even know what most of us look like? Cause I don't :lol:

That's pretty much my problem. I'm a full time student and can't really afford to feed my gun the way I want to.

As for carrying, I like doing it, but I don't often for several reasons- 1- my XDM is really big and getting to be a pain in the ass to lug around, and 2- I live in State College, so the only places I go anymore are on campus, or the places that are really close to campus and I'm too scared to carry there because of their proximity to the school.

Getting caught with a firearm on or really close to campus is not a risk I'm willing to take.

What's the risk?

Personally I'd consider selling the large gun and buying something a little easier to conceal so that you can carry at school. Even though you love your XDM, a smaller gun would probably fit your lifestyle a little better, and you can always use full size mags at the range.

Yeah, I really get annoyed at driving a long distance and then still only shooting paper. I enjoyed shooting at rodder's farm because there were no rules other than 'the four rules', but again... that was an hour and a half drive.

What do you mean "whats the risk?" You can't carry a firearm on school property in PA, especially if the school has a policy against firearms. Our LTCF's are no exception to those rules.

I think he means "concealed means concealed".. not that I condone that but I do know quite a few people who went through college that way.

too big of a risk to take, steer clear of school with weapons plain and simple

I know a few friends of mine up at school rock an ankle holster, since majority of jumping's happen right off campus grounds, its crazy there is not more of a push for campus carry bills especially in the Philly area. We get alerts and emails all the time of incidents and have to love seeing at the bottom "carry a whistle for defense"

Munky I know what a handful of people look like who post in here :) haha

Oh Gen 3 G19 on me at all times, although i haven't been to the range in a few weeks due to school and girlfriend schedules. I hear everyone saying the in ability to afford to feed their guns regularly being in school. I try to get to the range at least twice a month to keep time behind the trigger.

Exactly.

Now if I wasn't in such a safe town with such a low crime rate (say I went to PITT), I would consider carrying to class. But out here, nothing is going to happen, so I can't justify the risk.

^^^This...I'm not risking my job as well as my freedoms just to carry at work. Even tho I work in a ****ty neighborhood with a very high crime rate it's still not worth the losses I would endure if I was caught. One of my first days on the job a neighbor of the college came in with a firearm not knowing the policies/laws and lets just say it ended poorly for him.


In a nutshell.

I don't know what any of you look like therefore I wouldn't have been able to spot you LoL.

I can afford to feed my guns especially since I sold a bunch off to consolidate my calibers...but my issues is like blkz06 said...shooting at paper just gets f*cking boring eventually. I even have ranges within 10-15 mins of my house...it's still boring as f*ck :lol:.
It's thinking like that which will get you into trouble every time. Always been prepared mentally & physically. Don't let your guard down by thinking nothing is ever going to happen in your peaceful little college town. That's what those Amish kids thought when they went to school one morning a few years back and the nutjob walked in with a gun and offed a few then held them hostage. Now would I risk carrying a gun on a campus...more than likely not. But I would definitely be more alert and carry a knife/some other form of protection at least.

Well I know that would be a dangerous way to think if I didn't maintain a certain degree of situational awareness.. but because I do, I felt it would be okay to post that. And I have a knife on me at all times, not that I really need it to defend myself.

:confused:

§ 912. Possession of weapon on school property.

1. Definition. -- Notwithstanding the definition of "weapon" in section 907 (relating to possessing instruments of crime), "weapon" for purposes of this section shall include but not be limited to any knife, cutting instrument, cutting tool, nun-chuck stick, firearm, shotgun, rifle and any other tool, instrument or implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.
2. Offense defined. -- A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if he possesses a weapon in the buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing transportation to or from any elementary or secondary publicly-funded educational institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by the Department of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school.
3. Defense. -- It shall be a defense that the weapon is possessed and used in conjunction with a lawful supervised school activity or course or is possessed for other lawful purpose.


Not sure if it's something the school told you guys or something that was missed along the way, but there is no law regulating carry on college campuses. Elementary or Secondary means K-12, not college.

If a school prohibits carry for students or faculty, then it's a policy, not a law. It's no different than a mall posting a sign at the front door saying "NO GUNS". As a student, they could discipline you according to their policies, or I'm sure they could consider it trespassing if it was a known policy that you disregarded, but again it's not a violation of any PA firearm law, as it is to carry at a K-12 school.

There are many reasons to carry at school, but if you decide that it's not worth getting hassled about then it's your choice to not carry. Just realize that college /= elementary or high school regarding firearms.

For the record, Dave was right. I did mean 'concealed means concealed', but not in a break-the-law way. My personal safety far outweighs the slight risk of being spotted printing and possibly getting disciplined by any school. Then again, I haven't invested $xxxxxxx into my schooling, so it's just a personal decision.

^^^^ Correct, but in many college student handbooks where all the college rules/policies are listed and must be read be read by the students. Many state that weapons on campus are prohibited and is grounds to be dismissed...

Exactly why I started shooting trap/skeet.

That's why I mentioned the personal decision. The posts above had the tone of 'don't do it or else' relating to state law and prohibited places, like it was illegal or something. In reality it's just a 'don't do it or else you might get disciplined or dismissed'. Again, I feel that my personal safety far outweighs any kind of potential disciplinary action I could receive from any school, including expulsion, but other people might not feel the same way.

I carry a small gun. I'm careful enough that I'm confident I won't ever be 'found out' if I choose not to be. That means that if I were to ever be on a college campus either as an enrolled student or as I am now, just a 'normal guy' visiting the school, I will always carry.


eta: One of the things that bothers me the most about people mentioning 'campus carry' is that most people are under the impression that it's currently illegal. It's not. Campus carry (in PA at least) is about an open acceptance of students carrying... it's about changing those handbooks and eliminating disciplinary action against students who choose to carry for self defense.

My posts about where I work are referring to the schools policies not State/Federal law. The problem is it is clearly defined in the schools policies that no weapons (of any kind...knives, guns, bb/pellet guns, paintball guns) are permitted on campus. And any such individual found to possess them will be treated as criminal trespass and handled accordingly (I know this because I've had it come up several times already while doing room searches after breaking up parties with underage drinking and/or drug use). So yeah personal protection typically doesn't outweigh my decision to carry in every day life...but I'm not going to risk my job/well being & education over it. I do however carry my EDC knife at work but that's because we were cleared to do so when on duty in the event we would need to cut someone free from such things as seat-belts or even the unfortunate situation of a hanging.

I see your point. I've never been one to put much value in a college education... it has never even once crossed my mind as something that would be worth the time or money, since I've seen most of my friends go to school and do very well, but never use their education in the slightest bit. Because of that I guess I've just developed an attitude that it's not very important since most people just do it to get a piece of paper saying YAY I DID IT! lol.

I dunno. I've always placed more value in personal safety than I could ever imagine placing in an educational experience at a 'name brand' school. Like I said though, I haven't been there and I don't work in an environment that places me in the position to make that do/don't decision. When it's your life that an expulsion could affect I guess it's a different story.

I just wanted to make sure I brought up the legality of it though. Trespass aside, it's not a violation of any PA firearm-related law to carry on a college campus, and it sounded like a few of you guys were under the impression that it was.

I was. LCP in a desantis nemesis. As usual. :)

I should have asked if any of you guys were going. I went with the wife and after looking at the cars and eating some greasy food we still hadn't seen anyone I knew so we left around 3:00.

Like I said, bring your stuff over to my buddies farm and I guarantee you'll have a better time than you could at any range. :mrgreen:

Andy, I'm coming back to the Valley tonight and should be there until Tuesday. Want to meet up and head to the range or your buddies farm?

I might not have time this weekend but possibly on sunday. I'll talk to my buddy and see if he's around.

This is random and not at all relevant to the conversation above lol but does anyone watch Top Shot?!

I've watched it before, but I get annoyed at the "reality" of it and I sorta wish they'd just make it a show about the actual top shot, instead of throwing in all the eliminations and other crap. Then again I guess no one would watch it if it had no drama. lol

Haha yeah. I thought this season was pretty fun to watch, though. The challenges were cool.

Regarding the drama.. I talk to a few of the guys that were on the show (this season and last) and they all say so much was spun, but... it made it more entertaining, I guess :lol:

I'm saddened that the women in both seasons have not gotten anywhere near the top of the chain. :cry:

I watch every once in a while if I'm flipping and it's on. I'm not very big on "reality" TV shows though so I can only tolerate a little bit at a time.

Jul, I was looking for you but didn't see you at the sonic meet! Your head must've shrunk. :wink: :lol:

I watch Top Shot pretty religiously...on mute. The host is ****ing annoying!!! If they got rid of him I would watch it more.


Jul was hiding at the meet. She was even standing 2ft from me and completely dissed me. :(

I forget what the laws are... am I allowed to open or cc in a state park in PA?

http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...e-forests.html

Posts #2 and #3

Is Glen Onoko a State Forest or a State Park?

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/statepar...highgorge.aspx

It looks as if it's a State Park. You will be fine if you CC, but if you want to OC just give them a call and ask what the specific area is technically called. Don't mention OC, just ask if the area is considered a State Park.

schooolllls out for summer.....lets go shooting boys

Schools over for good (for now). Just graduated!!! :banana: Hopefully going shooting Sunday weather permitting.

haha julz its because womenz cant compete with men in any competition... DUH!


kidding kinda.

:rofl:

:lol::lol:

i added a tros three lug adapter to my lage slow fire upper for my mac 10.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2738/img1062gl.jpg

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4137/img1064h.jpg

and heres my fathers bar. it was made by ohio ordnance and is 1 of only a 100 with a usmc marked receiver. we do have the carrying handle and bipod for it too, just not pictured in the case.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7646/img1065f.jpg

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/8576/img1066m.jpg

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9351/img1067ur.jpg

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/8779/img1068.jpg

^^^^So sick

Congrats, i have another semester or another full year if i want to finish up my minor...

where you going sunday?

did some shooting today, here's a quick video of some gsg 522 pk and walther p22 fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C__7UQQFmZ8

^^ Nice

Wish i had a backyard like that to unload in ha