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SovXietday
05-11-2008, 09:00 PM
Well, I finally was able to put my new wastegate in the Civic today to give it a try. It is a Synapse 40mm wastegate, the only diaphramless wastegate on the market today.

http://www.nipponpower.com/~nippon/prod_imgs/img-1058-1-large.jpg

They come in two sizes, 40mm and 50mm. The 40mm bolts up to the common Tial style 35/38mm flanges and the 50 will use the 44mm Vband.

There are some major differences between these gates and other gates. First of all, there is no diaphram or valve guide. My old Tial had a diaphram tear and the valve started to bind in the valve guide after a year and a half of use. Needless to say, this wastegate has no such issues.

Instead of using a spring set at a specific pressure to open the diaphram, this wastegate uses 4 ports with varying sizes. By mixing and matching the ports you can get anywhere from 5-20+ psi without using a boost controller. EBCs work just fine on them too, you just have to set them up a little bit differently. They also have a preload spring, to reduce the time between when the valve cracks and the turbo reaches full boost. The idea is the later the valve cracks, the faster the turbo spools, and you get a bigger area under the curve.

As for my experience...

So far, this wastegate has been scary accurate. My manifold causes creep to 14psi, but when the Tial was in the car I was getting anywhere from 14 on some pulls to 18 on other pulls. After switching over to this wastegate not only did the turbo spool a full 300rpms faster but every single pull I did was within .01 bar of each other.:eek:

All in all, I am super happy with how this thing has performed so far. Once this lovely scheduled rain passes us up I'm going to go swap the vacuum lines up to the highest psi setting (~19psi, actual psi depends on backpressure etc since there is no "boost spring") and see what happens. We'll call this an ongoing review for now. :)

lagos
05-11-2008, 09:06 PM
Nice. Ive been wanting to hear some real world feedback on these.
Now you have to get their bov.

SovXietday
05-11-2008, 09:09 PM
Nice. Ive been wanting to hear some real world feedback on these.
Now you have to get their bov.

Way ahead of you.:-p

http://users.rcn.com/dwilz/reswap24.jpg

The BOV is great, fast as hell and nice and quiet. Couldn't be happier with their products honestly.:)

SpEcRv9
05-11-2008, 11:02 PM
i need shotgun in your hatch dude....

Turbo_CitrusEs
05-11-2008, 11:46 PM
Just curious, but what did that run you?

Honest_Bob
05-12-2008, 07:38 AM
Its cool that someone finally has one, but I dont see how you can compare the two since the Tial is not 100% operational.

PaleDSM
05-12-2008, 08:12 AM
They really are great products we have sold probably a dozen of each (more of the bov then that) at JNZ and have not had one customer that wasn't happy as can be.

Action Park
05-12-2008, 12:54 PM
Its cool that someone finally has one, but I dont see how you can compare the two since the Tial is not 100% operational.
93
Whatever do you mean? Of course they can be compared if nothing changed on the setup.
Synapse Tial
Works Broken
Steady boost Dangerous 4psi variance
faster spool slower spool
Easier adjustibility Requires spring change or external source
Good Junk
93 93/93

Honest_Bob
05-12-2008, 01:01 PM
Dangerous 4psi variance
slower spool


Would those two problems be present if the wastegate wasent broken?

Action Park
05-12-2008, 01:49 PM
93
Quite possibly. Slower spool(or hitting boost threshold) from the valve cracking too soon. Boost variance from the wastegate not being able to flow enough. Though this could be a boost controller issue, going to the synapse proves that it's not the manifold.
93 93/93

assault187
05-12-2008, 03:08 PM
OP, what size Tial were you running before you switched?

On my logs, My boost may vary maybe 1psi on different pulls. Improper sizing of wastgates to a turbo application will cause a bit of creep depending what boost levels are being ran.

My friend just has the Synapse WG...he says good things about them and its holding up nicely so far

SovXietday
05-12-2008, 09:18 PM
Just curious, but what did that run you?

They run just a little bit more than the Tials.

Don't get me wrong, my Tial 38 worked correctly for the time that I had it on the car. It's just that the Synapse surprised me on just how different the car reacted with it.

I'm not really trying to have this thread be a vs Tial thread, it's just a review of how well it performs comparitive to well... how my Tial performed for the 2 years I've had it. :lol:

Things I like:
- 5-20psi settings without having to so much as crack the unit open.
- Ability to use an EBC and not have to worry about going 150% of the spring pressure
-Preload spring to keep the valve from opening early (standard wastegate springs tend to crack at 50% spring pressure. So 10psi spring tends to crack at 5psi losing energy and thus spool time).
-bolts up to existing flanges
-works, and works well
-no diaphram!

Things I don't like
-Only one so far. Port C is tough to get proper fastening of the wastegate line on it.

Unfortunately my manifold design isn't the best and I've discovered that it's what is causing most of my creep. So, the plan is to turn up the boost past what I know the manifold will hold and see what happens. :)

james_ls
05-13-2008, 02:04 AM
You LOVE their stuff.

Glad it's all working out for you.

Did this take care of that creep issue?

TROLL
05-13-2008, 02:43 AM
there's a video on streetfire of the owner of synapse doing a comparison between his wastegate and 'the other wastegate'... and its honestly so one sided that it really takes away from his credibility. i like the idea of the synapse, but i'm totally turned off by this type of 'marketing' that they're putting out.
if it was the synapse 50mm was the same price as the tial 44mm i'd check one out, but i dont think i'm willing to spend more money right now when there's already a proven option in the market.

teh DIRT
05-13-2008, 06:10 AM
Ive seen that same video, and I had the same reaction.

PaleDSM
05-13-2008, 08:10 AM
Agreed. They should rethink their youtube blitz.

dragonfly2k3
05-13-2008, 08:30 AM
I have not seen their video yet. I will certainly search it though. Aside from that the wastegate is a pretty good idea, and the construction looks aesthetic and of very high quality.