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S4toSTI · 06-21-2006, 03:59 AM

Is it possible shall we try?

Pro Life vs. Pro Choice

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(Can we attempt to keep it intelligent)

S4toSTI · 06-21-2006, 04:05 AM

Ok to set the tone alittle i will start. I am pro choice, that it is not that straight foward and it bother me when people just say they are pro choice and that is it. I think it is a womans choice, if you are married to someone i think you can say your opinion but at the end of the day it is still her body. I don't think it should ever be a man's choice for what a woman does with her body; husband, bf, f*** buddy, or judge. Do i think people who are pro life are dumb, yes. Do i think it is closed minded to call people who are pro life dumb, no. Is a fetus that is 3 days old a life in my book, no. I am done for now it is late. If you disagree with what i say bring it on don't be scared.

koho2731 · 06-21-2006, 04:14 AM

I'm going to go with pro choice. The main reason why I'm going this way is becuase is I don't think I should tell what they can or can not do in that position. In some situations it may be the best choice. I don't really care for the girls that use abortion as birth control though that is just wrong IMO

poolmike · 06-21-2006, 06:20 AM

So, Barry.... who is the girl??? and when is she due???

HatchSurfer3 · 06-21-2006, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by S4toSTI

Ok to set the tone alittle i will start. I am pro choice, that it is not that straight foward and it bother me when people just say they are pro choice and that is it. I think it is a womans choice, if you are married to someone i think you can say your opinion but at the end of the day it is still her body. I don't think it should ever be a man's choice for what a woman does with her body; husband, bf, f*** buddy, or judge. Do i think people who are pro life are dumb, yes. Do i think it is closed minded to call people who are pro life dumb, no. Is a fetus that is 3 days old a life in my book, no. I am done for now it is late. If you disagree with what i say bring it on don't be scared.

why the hell would u call people who have a different opinion then u dumb. You said u wanted to keep it intellectual and then u go and do that. Brilliant....

I am pro life and i will explain why after i have gotten some sleep

markley02 · 06-21-2006, 08:17 AM

Pro choice here. Let me also bring up something else. If the male in a relationship wants her to have an abortion and the female doesn't and then she has the child, should the male have to pay child support. After all, he didn't want the child and she decided to have it by herself anyway.

BradC · 06-21-2006, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by markley02

Let me also bring up something else. If the male in a relationship wants her to have an abortion and the female doesn't and then she has the child, should the male have to pay child support. After all, he didn't want the child and she decided to have it by herself anyway.

Yes he should.

I am pro-choice as well, and as mentioned earlier it comes down to the fact it is her body and her choice.

If the guy doesn't want the kid, he should have taken better precautions to ensure that she wasn't impregnated by him.

He is 50% responsible for the baby, regardless if he wanted it or not. Just because he wanted her to abort, doesn't mean she waives her right for support if she chooses to carry the baby to birth.

Your thoughts?

Broken5hift · 06-21-2006, 08:38 AM

i go to abortion clinics with random girls just so i can walk out and be like "ROUND 2 TONIGHT!" in front of the activists

mostasteless · 06-21-2006, 08:50 AM

Pro Choice

If a woman does not want to have a child how do I or anyone else have the right to force her. IMO life starts at the point of consciousness so until that point is reached abortion is not murder it is a medical procedure. A part of me is morally against abortion but as long as a person’s actions are not directly negatively affecting an "innocent" person I have no right to condemn that action.

markley02: I think the father is still responsible for the child. He chose to have sex, just because he does not like the outcome of actions doesn't mean he does not have to take responsibility.

mostasteless · 06-21-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Broken5hift

i go to abortion clinics with random girls just so i can walk out and be like "ROUND 2 TONIGHT!" in front of the activists

Snoozie · 06-21-2006, 09:46 AM

Since no other girls are putting there .02 in... I am 100% pro-choice. I personally have never been put in the position where abortion could be needed but i know plenty of girls that have. Its my body and just like many of you have said at the end of the day its my choice. If I was ever put in the situation I would like to know the opinion of my husband, bf, whatever. But, this is something where no matter how hard a man tried, he could never understand what it feels like to go through that. Think about it how many of you 20 somethings really are in the position to even think about raising a child? I know that I couldn't afford it at this point in my life. I like to know that my options are open.

But then again I feel that if you think you are mature and responsible enough to have sex to being with than maybe its best to own those decisions that you made and keep it.

Pro-choice all the way.

Broken5hift · 06-21-2006, 09:51 AM

ive said it before and i will say it again

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its just when it comes down to it, i dont want a kid and i will use my vaccum on her myself if i have too

redtruck123 · 06-21-2006, 10:10 AM

pro choice if the women doesn't want the kid then she should be able to get rid of it. and also what if the girl was raped and she got pregnant what do pro life people think about that?

04PAcruz'n · 06-21-2006, 10:15 AM

first off, the terms pro-choice and pro-life are pathetic. Society needed a better sounding term for wanting to suck the life of your child out of you so they came up with pro-choice/pro-life. its for abortion or against abortion.

I stand in the middle of the coin. I am for abortion for certain circumstances (rape, death to the mother if child is born) and against it if your stupid, don't take the proper precautions while having sex and get pregnant by your own fault. The problem with my stance is individual accountabilty needs to be recognized and as long as I can slip and fall on your driveway and still sue you, our society is a loooonnnngggg way from it.

BradC · 06-21-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 04PAcruz'n

I am for abortion for certain circumstances (rape, death to the mother if child is born)

No doubt.

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Against it if your stupid, don't take the proper precautions while having sex and get pregnant by your own fault. The problem with my stance is individual accountabilty needs to be recognized.

Good point, but a lot of the people that are "too stupid"/ignorant/whatever you want to call it are also too poor to raise a child properly. This kid will either end up falling into the same cycle of ignorance or be supported by my tax dollars. I don't want either of those happening.

Crzyguy972 · 06-21-2006, 10:35 AM

ProLife, as long as rape or any illegal ways was used to create a fetus. People should be more responsible with their bodies and prevent something from an unwanted baby from happening.

Broken5hift · 06-21-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Crzyguy972

ProLife, as long as rape or any illegal ways was used to create a fetus. People should be more responsible with their bodies and prevent something from an unwanted baby from happening.

then by the same reasoning they should get rid of unemployment, welfare, social security and so on. you should be responsible for yourself

Snoozie · 06-21-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BradC

No doubt.

Good point, but a lot of the people that are "too stupid"/ignorant/whatever you want to call it are also too poor to raise a child properly. This kid will either end up falling into the same cycle of ignorance or be supported by my tax dollars. I don't want either of those happening.

Exactly, and a lot of the time they grow up receiving so much resentment from their parents and family, and have to sit there while their parents fight over who owes who child support. Its not fair to the child and its not fair to the parents.

I'm not one to tell people that they should or should not do something, but if you are not responsible enough or are not in financially stable don't keep it. I know I would feel worse knowing that i brought a child into the world and pawned it off onto someone else (family, parents or whatever else).

Moral of this whole thread-USE BIRTH CONTROL

Crzyguy972 · 06-21-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Broken5hift

then by the same reasoning they should get rid of unemployment, welfare, social security and so on. you should be responsible for yourself

I personally beive they should get rid of welfare, if your paying someone each month because they can't find a job and they have kids, what kind of system is that? They will get a job as soon as the gov't checks stop coming. Social security no, if you can work until you are 65 then you deserve to get your tax dollars back. Unemployement not at all, unployement is perfect system. You can't collect if you are fired only if your employer is oging out of business or another way that you didn't cause it. So its paychecks during the down time before you get another job.

BradC · 06-21-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BluMeanie

I'm not one to tell people that they should or should not do something, but if you are not responsible enough or are not in financially stable don't keep it.

Exactly. I agree with what you said earlier about your situation. I am not financially ready for parenthood. That's not to say if an accident would happen, things couldn't be sold and we couldn't manage...but it wouldn't be comfortable. Children are rediculously expensive. This is why your next statement is a no-brainer

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Moral of this whole thread-USE BIRTH CONTROL

No ****! It is amazing how many people play russian roulette with pregnancy. Its not that hard or expensive to pop a pill everyday or slide a condom on. Yeah, it can be a pain, or that money could be used for something else...but look at the alternative!

Its good to see people actually responding to this level-headed as well.

06-21-2006, 08:50 AM	#9
mostasteless Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Shamong NJ Member #703 iTrader: (0)	Pro Choice If a woman does not want to have a child how do I or anyone else have the right to force her. IMO life starts at the point of consciousness so until that point is reached abortion is not murder it is a medical procedure. A part of me is morally against abortion but as long as a person’s actions are not directly negatively affecting an "innocent" person I have no right to condemn that action. markley02: I think the father is still responsible for the child. He chose to have sex, just because he does not like the outcome of actions doesn't mean he does not have to take responsibility. __________________ John

06-21-2006, 09:46 AM	#11
Snoozie Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2006 Member #1887 iTrader: (0)	Since no other girls are putting there .02 in... I am 100% pro-choice. I personally have never been put in the position where abortion could be needed but i know plenty of girls that have. Its my body and just like many of you have said at the end of the day its my choice. If I was ever put in the situation I would like to know the opinion of my husband, bf, whatever. But, this is something where no matter how hard a man tried, he could never understand what it feels like to go through that. Think about it how many of you 20 somethings really are in the position to even think about raising a child? I know that I couldn't afford it at this point in my life. I like to know that my options are open. But then again I feel that if you think you are mature and responsible enough to have sex to being with than maybe its best to own those decisions that you made and keep it. Pro-choice all the way. __________________ Ya take 'em off. "Everyone learns faster on fire." - Alkaline Trio

06-21-2006, 10:15 AM	#14
04PAcruz'n Tri-State Training Wheels Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: collegeville Member #2014 iTrader: (0)	first off, the terms pro-choice and pro-life are pathetic. Society needed a better sounding term for wanting to suck the life of your child out of you so they came up with pro-choice/pro-life. its for abortion or against abortion. I stand in the middle of the coin. I am for abortion for certain circumstances (rape, death to the mother if child is born) and against it if your stupid, don't take the proper precautions while having sex and get pregnant by your own fault. The problem with my stance is individual accountabilty needs to be recognized and as long as I can slip and fall on your driveway and still sue you, our society is a loooonnnngggg way from it. __________________ 2004 E-BLUE SRT-4 S2 w/o, Mopar TBE, Mopar CAI 17x7 Exel Speed (gunmetal) rims, red decals. Last edited by 04PAcruz'n; 06-21-2006 at 10:23 AM.

06-21-2006, 10:35 AM	#16
Crzyguy972 Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Langhorne, PA Member #514 My Ride: 2005 Mazda 6 iTrader: (1)	ProLife, as long as rape or any illegal ways was used to create a fetus. People should be more responsible with their bodies and prevent something from an unwanted baby from happening. __________________ " Nitrous is like a hot girl with an std, you always want to hit it but afraid of the consequences...."

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06-21-2006, 04:14 AM	#3
koho2731 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dover, DE Member #997 My Ride: 95 Eagle Talon TSi AWD iTrader: (1)	I'm going to go with pro choice. The main reason why I'm going this way is becuase is I don't think I should tell what they can or can not do in that position. In some situations it may be the best choice. I don't really care for the girls that use abortion as birth control though that is just wrong IMO

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poolmike Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Richboro Member #543 My Ride: '68 Kaiser M715/ '37 Ford truck/'47 Dodge truck iTrader: (0)	So, Barry.... who is the girl??? and when is she due???

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markley02 Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mommy and Daddy’s House Member #390 My Ride: 05 Honda Odessey iTrader: (0)	Pro choice here. Let me also bring up something else. If the male in a relationship wants her to have an abortion and the female doesn't and then she has the child, should the male have to pay child support. After all, he didn't want the child and she decided to have it by herself anyway.

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Broken5hift Tri-State Post Whore Banned Join Date: Apr 2005 Member #397 My Ride: 08 Scion Xb & 06 TSX iTrader: (0)	i go to abortion clinics with random girls just so i can walk out and be like "ROUND 2 TONIGHT!" in front of the activists

06-21-2006, 10:10 AM	#13
redtruck123 Tri-State Training Wheels Join Date: Apr 2006 Member #1727 iTrader: (0)	pro choice if the women doesn't want the kid then she should be able to get rid of it. and also what if the girl was raped and she got pregnant what do pro life people think about that?