Tuning question for DSM

[Tires2theSky]

I am asking this not for myself but for a friend. He has a built 96 Talon TSI and is running a MAF Translator Gen II. Is there anyone in the area that has AWD dyno and can tune using this.

[TalonTsi97]

There isn't a lot of adjustments that can be tuned by using just the maf translator. I suggest he get dsmlink to get it tuned especially if its "built".
Whats the setup on the car?

[Tires2theSky]

dont know all the specifics of it but basically everything done, built motor...pistons, rods, complete head build with oversized valves, aftermarket springs ect. Big turbo not sure the size . I can get all the info if it helps, but he was talking about getting it tuned and i figured i would post it up here.

[screamingdsm]

I could tune the car on the street or on a dyno...I know a few local dynos. I would like to hear the whole setup, mainly the fuel system/turbo (what kind, brand, compressor, and turbine wheel)..

[enigma]

If all he has for tuning is a MAFT, then its gonna be a nightmare.
Since the temperature compensation is taken out of the airflow measurement, hot/cold/humid days play havoc with them, he is gonna need something else to supplement it, especially if it is modified. You won't be able to get your fuel trims right with that thing.
I wouldn't have him waste too much time with just that, tell him to get DSMlink, flatline the MAFT, then go from there. Easy to tune, plenty of internets support, and easy to install.
As an alternate, he can sell the MAFT setup, and put it towards a DSMlink setup. The 2g MAF flows plenty of air for 95% of people.
I have the MAFT on my car, and will be selling it as soon as I upgrade my DSMlink, Then I'll get a 2g MAF, and setup the speed density.

[dsmtuner]

Originally Posted by enigma

As an alternate, he can sell the MAFT setup, and put it towards a DSMlink setup. The 2g MAF flows plenty of air for 95% of people.
I have the MAFT on my car, and will be selling it as soon as I upgrade my DSMlink, Then I'll get a 2g MAF, and setup the speed density.

ECMLink, AKA DSMLink version 3, has a MAFT built in, so if he buys the newest one he shouldn't need to go back to a 2g MAF.

As for tuning, is he just looking for a dyno shop so he can tune it himself? Or is he looking for a place to tune it for him? We have a pretty good hook up with an AWD dyno shop that we can probably get you a decent deal. Shoot me a PM if you are interested.

[Tires2theSky]

basically right now he is looking for a daily drive type of tune not shooting for any high numbers he just wants the get the motor all broken in for a couple thousand miles, and then go from there. I appreciate all the help guys.

[Tires2theSky]

OK here is a quick mod list: I will update when i get to talk to him more.

Forged pistons-stock compression
eagle forged rods
brian crower stage 2 cams (272/272)
Port and Polish
Larger valves, titanium springs ect.
RC 750cc injectors
AEM fuel Rail and FPR
Walbro 255 fuel pump
not sure which manifold
Turbonetics turbo, not sure which one its pretty close if not alittle bigger than my 67mm on my supra
Tial 38mm wastegate
Tial BOV
3' exhaust Apexi N1
Front mount

[Got Insulin?]

He needs way more than MAF-T with 750s. I wouldn't even turn the car on until he gets AT LEAST SAFC (crap), although I'd tell him to go straight for Link. It's the definitive way to tune DSMs. MAFT isn't really even a tuning device on these cars truthfully.

[knochgoon24]

I'm partial to the Evo 8 or 98/99 DSM Ecus. It's cheaper, but has more of a learning curve.

Almost anything you want to do with an Evo 8 Ecu has been coded already. I might work on setting my SD up tomorrow.
The 98/99 Ecu development is coming along and is taking many cues from the Evo setup.

You could sell your MAF-T and GM MAF then buy the stuff to run one of those Ecus with the money.

I sold my SAFCII for $150 and my old ECU for $75.
I bought the Evo 8 Ecu for $150, the cable for $100, and the EvoScan software for $20. I already had the cable and software for logging anyways, so it was a no brainier.

[enigma]

Okay, I'm curious.
Do you use the evoscan software to alter the fuel trim in the car, or do you need another program to do that?
I've heard the unit is more responsive/smoother than a 1g Ecu due to the upgraded chipsets in the evo ecu, but how is it for adjustability?
I ask because i have a fair amounts of modifications to my motor.

[Got Insulin?]

Originally Posted by enigma

Okay, I'm curious.
Do you use the evoscan software to alter the fuel trim in the car, or do you need another program to do that?
I've heard the unit is more responsive/smoother than a 1g Ecu due to the upgraded chipsets in the evo ecu, but how is it for adjustability?
I ask because i have a fair amounts of modifications to my motor.

I'm pretty sure it only works on 2Gs as far as I've read.

[enigma]

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

I'm pretty sure it only works on 2Gs as far as I've read.

Bah, I decided to pick my fingers up off my lap, and do a little searching, here is some of what i came up with-
http://forums.evolutionm.net/ecuflas...dsm-works.html <evo 8 ecu in a 1g
http://forums.evolutionm.net/ecuflas...-tune-evo.html <tuning a evo8 ecu
I may just think about selling my dsmlink, I'll have ot do a little more research tho.
BTW, still intersted in that trans?

[knochgoon24]

The Evo Ecu runs smoother in my 2g than the stock ecu did. Apparently, the speed density conversion helps even more. I know for a fact that the Evo Ecu has been used in 1g's, 2ga's, 2gb's, and 2g's with 6-bolt swaps.
People have also ran the 1g MAF, 2g MAF, the Evo MAF, GM MAF w/ translator, and speed density with it.

It's very similar to running a chip in you car, but instead of burning the hex file to a chip each time, you just flash it onto the one built in. You deal with a similar coding program.

[enigma]

Where did you ifnd your ECU at that price , I can only find them for 2 bills and up?

[knochgoon24]

Originally Posted by enigma

Where did you ifnd your ECU at that price , I can only find them for 2 bills and up?

I bought mine before the swap craze hit. I almost had one for $75, but another DSM guy snagged it minutes before me. I was one of the first 5 or so on DSMTuners to do the swap. I did it not too long after RRE did it to a car, and the owner of that car leaked that it was possible. RRE wasn't the happiest, but were eventually OK with him releasing the rest of the details.

It was done before RRE, but there aren't too many details.

I bought mine around at the end of June last summer.

Since then, the swap has expanded to several different platforms. Less supply + more demand means the prices doubled. Tough luck. I haven't priced them out since I bought mine. So I hadn't noticed the price increase.

Sorry for posting DSMTuner links, but that's where the info's at.
This is 2g stuff, but a lot is similar.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tuni...-2g-works.html <--- Evo ECU in a 2g Thread
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/arti...ual-guide.html <--- Install guide I wrote. Lots of pictures.

[Fabian]

if he's got all those mods done then he needs to ditch the translator and just get ecm link or even lite. Then he could just use the gm maf and plug it directly into ecm link and tune that way, plus from what I've heard, trying to get a translator to tune with anything that big is an absolute nightmare, much less just trying to use the translator ALONE. Most people will use the translator to get rid of the restrictive stock MAS and then zero out the translator and use an safc to tune with. I was gonna do that but decided I would just rather sell the translator and use the more than capable stock MAS

[knochgoon24]

Yeah. The main point to all of this is that the MAF Translator Gen II won't be enough to tune the car properly.

[Fabian]

^^ bingo

[Tires2theSky]

Thanks for all the input guys, hes got some stuff lined up when he gets the car all ready i will def post up some pictures and numbers.