ABS vs no ABS. Opinions?

[c7scayman]

I know ABS means you get a way better stopping distance, but I don't like it. I feel like I have less control with ABS and I hate that you can feel the ABS kicking in when you stop the car hard for a sudden red light or getting cut off.

I drove without ABS for 6 years, then in this past year, I have been driving another car with ABS.

I did not feel in control. Basically with ABS, I cannot feel or predict my stopping distance like I can without ABS.

Has anyone else went from NO ABS to ABS and thought the same thing?

[oneday]

Two things: 1. Get better tires. 2.Do some threshold braking exercises so you know where your ABS kicks in. Whenyou feel ABS kick in, back off the pedal pressure just a touch...just like you would if you felt your tires lock up (if you didn't have ABS you'd be skidding at this point, which is not controllable or effectively slowing you down).

The only time I do not want ABS is on the race track. Even then I don't remember ever getting into my ABS while tracking the one car I take on track that has ABS...I've never had my ABS kick on while driving on the street either.

Some cars have very intrusive ABS computers 996s), but, even so while your butt-stop-o-meter might _feel_ like it is taking longer to stop, most likely your ABS is stopping you faster than if you didn't have it.

[jpalamar]

ABS doesn't really help you 'stop faster' but it does allow you to keep control of your car rather then locking them up and just sliding, IMO... ABS is one of those things that has to be manditory on any car I get(exceot for a Viper but I belive there is a stand alone that can be programmed with ABS).

I hate driving cars without ABS. But like above, def learn the limits of your car. If your kicking your ABS in then chances are you would of slid into something anyway.

[Chris B.]

Unless you practice threshold braking enough to make it your normal braking instinct when you run into an emergency braking situation, ABS will stop you faster almost every time on dry roads and in the rain. For you to stop quicker without ABS, you have to practice threshold braking on a regular basis for a very long period of time. Face it, you are not Michael Schumacher, Sebastian Vettel, Ayrton Senna, Lewis Hamilton or even Randy Pobst or Mark Daddio. You probably can't threshold brake in an emergency as well as most ABS computer can slow down your car. The partial pedal braking most people do in daily driving really doesn't make a difference between ABS and non ABS.

I went from driving multiple cars with no ABS to several cars with ABS and ABS saved my @ss a few times when unexpected things happened. I did AutoX some of the non ABS cars on a regular basis for a while and tried o master threshold braking, but in daily driving situations with different pavement textures and conditions, I don't think I can brake as well as a 4 wheels ABS system that can sense wheel speed 60 times per wheel rotation and adjust the braking of each wheel accordingly.

In reality, from a 60 MPH stop doing threshold braking on smooth pavement with an even texture and letting a modern ABS system do the work the actual difference in stopping distance is probably no more than a few feet and using the ABS, you can steer the car easier when braking.

[98GSXdude]

I delete ABS (pulled the fuse) on all my cars, not a fan. I'm sure its for some people though, I just had a bad experience with it.

[The Alchemist]

Originally Posted by 98GSXdude

I delete ABS (pulled the fuse) on all my cars, not a fan. I'm sure its for some people though, I just had a bad experience with it.

Thats not the same.

I prefer non abs over abs, like said above, not in total control. Its like traction control on a rear wheel drive car.

[russiankid]

Originally Posted by The Alchemist

Thats not the same.

I prefer non abs over abs, like said above, not in total control. Its like traction control on a rear wheel drive car.

If you pull the fuse the ABS does not function anymore, thus it won't operate under hard braking which makes it the same as not having ABS.


I do not like ABS, I started driving without ABS and have had 4 vehicles in the past 6 years, 2 without ABS and 2 with, I prefer no ABS. I now have a vehicle with ABS but its a tank so it may help one day.

[renn]

bunch of racecar drivers in here

[russiankid]

Originally Posted by renn

bunch of racecar drivers in here

lul.

I am by far the best driver in the world, nor do I have a lot of seat time. I enjoyed autocross, I did it with both ABS and non ABS vehicles and I hated when the ABS kicked in.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by renn

bunch of racecar drivers in here

Hell yes.

[Honduh]

I'm not a huge fan of abs. Its ok in the snow but thats about it. I was dating a girl years ago that got into an accident because abs kicked in and she didn't know what was going on when the pedal started going crazy. She let off the brakes and hit someone.

[Spawne32]

90% of the people who yank the ABS from their cars and try to justify it as some sort of performance modification are either A) ricers or B) absolute retards. Every single production car that a person drives on the street performs better in braking with ABS, everytime, consistently. We dont drive supercars, with 100,000 dollar braking systems, and we arent all proffesional racecar drivers driving formula 1 cars on the highway. Pulling your ABS from your honda civic hatch doesnt improve braking performance, it makes you a danger to the rest of society when you try to stop in the rain because you drive like an asshole and crash into 5 cars in front of you.

[rocknrace03]

i don't mind abs, if the car manufacturer did their homework, i used to have a car where the abs locked the pedal down and you had no control what so ever of the brakes, it actually made me slide off the road because i couldn't let off the brakes to allow weight transfer to the front wheels to turn,and it would release the pedal til you came to a complete stop. that car had the fuse pulled immediately. but there are times when I'm glad i have it. but coming from driving dirt track cars i prefer no abs, because i was slowing from 100 to less then 20 in short distance on wet dirt before i even had my permit. but i agree that abs is definitely good for your average drive/ pretty much anyone on a dd

[bordin34]

I've never owned a car with abs but this is how I prefer it
Snow/Dirt - No ABS, turns on too easily and doesn't allow you to build a berm of snow in front of your tires to stop.
Pavement - ABS

[renn]

Originally Posted by bordin34

Snow/Dirt - No ABS, turns on too easily and doesn't allow you to build a berm of snow in front of your tires to stop.

are you joking?


trolololled me if you are.

[russiankid]

Originally Posted by renn

are you joking?


trolololled me if you are.

It's kind of like on pavement. Tires grip so much that you end up tearing up the pavement and building said berm and you stop on a dime, kind of like my Huffy did back in 1996.

[Spawne32]

Originally Posted by bordin34

I've never owned a car with abs but this is how I prefer it
Snow/Dirt - No ABS, turns on too easily and doesn't allow you to build a berm of snow in front of your tires to stop.
Pavement - ABS

it becomes more and more clear to me why there are so many accidents on the road lol

[bordin34]

It does actually help to a point. Also when driving on snow if one side of the car is on ice and one on pavement the system comes on when it shouldn't.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by Spawne32

90% of the people who yank the ABS from their cars and try to justify it as some sort of performance modification are either A) ricers or B) absolute retards. Every single production car that a person drives on the street performs better in braking with ABS, everytime, consistently. We dont drive supercars, with 100,000 dollar braking systems, and we arent all proffesional racecar drivers driving formula 1 cars on the highway. Pulling your ABS from your honda civic hatch doesnt improve braking performance, it makes you a danger to the rest of society when you try to stop in the rain because you drive like an asshole and crash into 5 cars in front of you.

This.

Originally Posted by rocknrace03

i don't mind abs, if the car manufacturer did their homework, i used to have a car where the abs locked the pedal down and you had no control what so ever of the brakes, it actually made me slide off the road because i couldn't let off the brakes to allow weight transfer to the front wheels to turn,and it would release the pedal til you came to a complete stop. that car had the fuse pulled immediately. but there are times when I'm glad i have it. but coming from driving dirt track cars i prefer no abs, because i was slowing from 100 to less then 20 in short distance on wet dirt before i even had my permit. but i agree that abs is definitely good for your average drive/ pretty much anyone on a dd

If the ABS didn't kick in you probally would of locked your wheels and slid through the turn anyway. Also, how old was the car when that happened? ABS/computers have gotten much better since the early 90s.

Originally Posted by Spawne32

it becomes more and more clear to me why there are so many accidents on the road lol

Yep.

Originally Posted by bordin34

It does actually help to a point. Also when driving on snow if one side of the car is on ice and one on pavement the system comes on when it shouldn't.

It comes on when the DRIVER makes an error and hits the brakes too hard. It is doing its job.

[WolfsFang]

100% sure if you're on ice it well go of no matter how hard you hit the breaks.

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