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sisforsurfing · 11-13-2008, 03:48 PM

This stuff is getting out of control.
I honestly don't know that much about these yet but figured I'd post since I'm sure one of you does.

Basically, totally interchangeable (including sensor) professional and hyper-professional cameras. How do you feel about 261 MP, besides that it's total overkill? I guess if you want to paint the roof of your mansion with a crop from a picture you took on vacation, that's the camera for you! I don't know what else you would do with a 186x56mm sensor (that does 28000x9334 stills and 28k video or 9K video at 50fps) but it's awesome technology.

I'm more intrigued by the still-photography sensor sizes, like the FF35, 35MM, 16-bit sensor that is still 6K-video capable. And if we really will be able to use Nikon and Canon glass, this will be pretty wild.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/reds-...icial/1155684/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/13/r...-now-official/

edit: !!!

Spocknasty · 11-13-2008, 03:51 PM

Definitely sick, but prepare to sell your house for a higher model.

240sxDann · 11-13-2008, 03:53 PM

261mp?! holy bajezus!!!!!! Thats just rediculous, trying to photograph the moon or some ****....

sisforsurfing · 11-13-2008, 03:56 PM

Word, the big sensors are way expensive, but still in comparison to other cameras in this class (not that they really exist) they're not THAT bad. And I love both Nikon and Canon glass, but the RED line is getting pretty stacked even for 35MM sizes.
I was hoping you'd post since you know more about this stuff than I do. How compelling is this vs. the 5DII for people wanting a small(er) camera that does both stills and video, or will it all be speculation for a while?

Spocknasty · 11-13-2008, 04:04 PM

Two totally different leagues....

The 5D II is no replacement for a video camera. I only want it because it eliminates the need for me to use a massive adapter to get 35mm 1.8 DOF.

The base "brain" that lets you use canon and nikon lenses costs 7k, and it only goes up to 30fps. Then keep in mind the cost of batteries, monitor, and other modules.

It's a pro camera and the price reflects it.

I'm looking at it and I don't even see how you change the settings on it???

sisforsurfing · 11-13-2008, 04:51 PM

hahaha I was thinking the same thing when I was looking at it, I have no idea how the controls work.

Good info, I didn't realize the adapter started at that level, and figured as such about the 5DII. Pretty impressive in terms of what's to come in the next decade, though.

Chris_PA · 11-13-2008, 04:59 PM

I don't even know what is what when looking at that

Insane technology though

Cant wait to see what is done with it

grimm · 11-13-2008, 05:50 PM

i've read about these before. basically you can build the type of camera you want/need instead of buying multiple cameras, the red system is module based. it;s quite an intelligent approach. pricey but smart.

working in the av industry for years now I wouldn't say that those large sensors are overkill at all. Think about the olympics and the video footage and projection sizes. you want to project something that is 20' tall but still look good from 5-10' away you need more than just the normal 1080p resolution. granted for a broadcast system this is way overkill, but i know a few installations that would benefit from having such a large pixel space. The lobby of the comcast building in Philly would be one of them. granted thats just LED but still, another would be IAC's video wall at the chelsea piers. it uses 18 edge blended 1080p projectors to create one image. The pixel space was approx. 19000 pixels wide by 1920 pixels tall. That equaled a 11'x120' video image that you can walk right up to.

all in all i think it's awesome technology and definitely has it's uses.

Chris_PA · 11-13-2008, 07:36 PM

The new D3:

hhaha willld

OPZ · 11-14-2008, 12:04 AM

Their doing still cameras too? Holy ****....

cszakolczai · 11-14-2008, 01:35 AM

omg... thats insane

jb1830 · 11-14-2008, 12:18 PM

Their system is called DMSC (Digital Motion & Still Camera) The lower end ones aren't really worth it for photography given that its a 3MP size image, which is big for video, but not for photo. Prices aren't out for the modules and none of the stuff will be cheap so don't think that this will be a Canon killer or something of the sort, this is real professional video stuff.

The base brain (AKA just the sensor module, no viewfinder, no battery, no lens, NOTHING!) to shoot 10MP images is already beyond the price range of a 5DII.

Also if you want to see samples of the kind of things that will be done with these cameras look up the RED ONE. It was their previous camera also made to be modular like this new system.

PAFirefighter11 · 11-14-2008, 12:21 PM

Damn and I thought our two 64 MP Hasselblads (with digital backings) were nice... wow.

sisforsurfing · 11-14-2008, 02:05 PM

The more I look at it, the more awesome the specs are... and the more I realize that it is the ugliest camera ever ever ever. Ever. If robots pooped, that's what it would look like.

BlackTypeR · 11-14-2008, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris_PA

If Robocop was a photographer, that is what he would shoot with.

jspek · 11-14-2008, 06:08 PM

does anyone think it looks cheap? but the tech is very awesome.

11-13-2008, 03:48 PM	#1
sisforsurfing Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2005 Member #267 My Ride: 2003 WRX wagon iTrader: (2)	New RED cameras This stuff is getting out of control. I honestly don't know that much about these yet but figured I'd post since I'm sure one of you does. Basically, totally interchangeable (including sensor) professional and hyper-professional cameras. How do you feel about 261 MP, besides that it's total overkill? I guess if you want to paint the roof of your mansion with a crop from a picture you took on vacation, that's the camera for you! I don't know what else you would do with a 186x56mm sensor (that does 28000x9334 stills and 28k video or 9K video at 50fps) but it's awesome technology. I'm more intrigued by the still-photography sensor sizes, like the FF35, 35MM, 16-bit sensor that is still 6K-video capable. And if we really will be able to use Nikon and Canon glass, this will be pretty wild. http://www.engadget.com/photos/reds-...icial/1155684/ http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/13/r...-now-official/ edit: !!! __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.* Last edited by sisforsurfing; 11-13-2008 at 03:52 PM.

11-13-2008, 03:51 PM	#2
Spocknasty Meh Join Date: Oct 2005 Member #986 iTrader: (5)	Definitely sick, but prepare to sell your house for a higher model. __________________ formerly CRXed To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. I <3 JSC Speed and Liquid Powder Coats!

11-13-2008, 03:56 PM	#4
sisforsurfing Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2005 Member #267 My Ride: 2003 WRX wagon iTrader: (2)	Word, the big sensors are way expensive, but still in comparison to other cameras in this class (not that they really exist) they're not THAT bad. And I love both Nikon and Canon glass, but the RED line is getting pretty stacked even for 35MM sizes. I was hoping you'd post since you know more about this stuff than I do. How compelling is this vs. the 5DII for people wanting a small(er) camera that does both stills and video, or will it all be speculation for a while? __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.*

11-13-2008, 04:04 PM	#5
Spocknasty Meh Join Date: Oct 2005 Member #986 iTrader: (5)	Two totally different leagues.... The 5D II is no replacement for a video camera. I only want it because it eliminates the need for me to use a massive adapter to get 35mm 1.8 DOF. The base "brain" that lets you use canon and nikon lenses costs 7k, and it only goes up to 30fps. Then keep in mind the cost of batteries, monitor, and other modules. It's a pro camera and the price reflects it. I'm looking at it and I don't even see how you change the settings on it??? __________________ formerly CRXed To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. I <3 JSC Speed and Liquid Powder Coats!

11-13-2008, 04:51 PM	#6
sisforsurfing Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2005 Member #267 My Ride: 2003 WRX wagon iTrader: (2)	hahaha I was thinking the same thing when I was looking at it, I have no idea how the controls work. Good info, I didn't realize the adapter started at that level, and figured as such about the 5DII. Pretty impressive in terms of what's to come in the next decade, though. __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.*

11-13-2008, 04:59 PM	#7
Chris_PA Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: West Chester Member #1541 My Ride: 02 Exploder iTrader: (0)	I don't even know what is what when looking at that Insane technology though Cant wait to see what is done with it __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

11-13-2008, 05:50 PM	#8
grimm Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Dec 2006 Member #3058 iTrader: (2)	i've read about these before. basically you can build the type of camera you want/need instead of buying multiple cameras, the red system is module based. it;s quite an intelligent approach. pricey but smart. working in the av industry for years now I wouldn't say that those large sensors are overkill at all. Think about the olympics and the video footage and projection sizes. you want to project something that is 20' tall but still look good from 5-10' away you need more than just the normal 1080p resolution. granted for a broadcast system this is way overkill, but i know a few installations that would benefit from having such a large pixel space. The lobby of the comcast building in Philly would be one of them. granted thats just LED but still, another would be IAC's video wall at the chelsea piers. it uses 18 edge blended 1080p projectors to create one image. The pixel space was approx. 19000 pixels wide by 1920 pixels tall. That equaled a 11'x120' video image that you can walk right up to. all in all i think it's awesome technology and definitely has it's uses. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

11-13-2008, 07:36 PM	#9
Chris_PA Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: West Chester Member #1541 My Ride: 02 Exploder iTrader: (0)	The new D3: hhaha willld __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

11-14-2008, 12:04 AM	#10
OPZ Tri-State Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Butler, PA Member #5508 My Ride: 2012 VW GTI iTrader: (0)	Their doing still cameras too? Holy ****.... __________________ 2012 VW GTI - Stage 1+

11-14-2008, 01:35 AM	#11
cszakolczai Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Nov 2006 Member #2954 My Ride: Sentra SER Spec V iTrader: (0)	omg... thats insane

11-14-2008, 12:18 PM	#12
jb1830 Tri-State Addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: Philadelphia Member #4646 My Ride: '88 MR2 SC, '97 Corolla iTrader: (0)	Their system is called DMSC (Digital Motion & Still Camera) The lower end ones aren't really worth it for photography given that its a 3MP size image, which is big for video, but not for photo. Prices aren't out for the modules and none of the stuff will be cheap so don't think that this will be a Canon killer or something of the sort, this is real professional video stuff. The base brain (AKA just the sensor module, no viewfinder, no battery, no lens, NOTHING!) to shoot 10MP images is already beyond the price range of a 5DII. Also if you want to see samples of the kind of things that will be done with these cameras look up the RED ONE. It was their previous camera also made to be modular like this new system.

11-14-2008, 02:05 PM	#14
sisforsurfing Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2005 Member #267 My Ride: 2003 WRX wagon iTrader: (2)	The more I look at it, the more awesome the specs are... and the more I realize that it is the ugliest camera ever ever ever. Ever. If robots pooped, that's what it would look like. __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.*

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