Haiti...What's your Take?

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by importpower99

Are you aware we have a budget of allocated expenses each year? Did you think that you pay taxes and then they just burn your money?

And when they say donate money, they don't just hand out money to individual people. Seriously, where do all these dumba** people come from. The money goes to different organizations who in turn buy the products, supplies, and services they need.

I understand the allocate money for this cause... but they shouldn't even consider this part of the budget. Aid money is when we have a surplus. It isn't a bill that we MUST budget for other countries benifit.

It doesn't matter if it is money ,food, ect... it all costs $$$ in then end.

We keep spending money like we are and we will be the next Haiti.

[grimm]

Originally Posted by 2 much $mok3

So go out to the store, buy these things, and send them to Haiti if you feel that way. Actually, just bring the supplies with you when you go there to move debris with your man power. Posting a reply on TST sure isnt helping them any lol.

Ah so you are a self proclaimed hypocrite!!

my church was one of the two groups there doing missionary work. what the **** have you contributed? RIGHT!

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by mr_eh

did they really now? that's nice... i didnt say we shouldnt help them or that they werent people... also what wars did they fight?

http://www.america.gov/st/foraid-eng...0.8872644.html

I wasn't referring to you saying that humans aren't human. The Grenada war, although that could easily be flipped and say that we helped them.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

I understand the allocate money for this cause... but they shouldn't even consider this part of the budget. Aid money is when we have a surplus. It isn't a bill that we MUST budget for other countries benifit.

It doesn't matter if it is money ,food, ect... it all costs $$$ in then end.

We keep spending money like we are and we will be the next Haiti.

The next Haiti, ha ha ha.
They have a part of the budget set aside for disaster relief, however they are typical meant for U.S disasters. So technically our services and funds that are meant for U.S citizens are being handed over to another country.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

Are you aware we have a deficit?? and until that is settled there shouldn't be aid money set aside for aid.

good idea- maybe we should just stop paying govt workers until the deficit is all paid too.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

I understand the allocate money for this cause... but they shouldn't even consider this part of the budget. Aid money is when we have a surplus. It isn't a bill that we MUST budget for other countries benifit.

It doesn't matter if it is money ,food, ect... it all costs $$$ in then end.

We keep spending money like we are and we will be the next Haiti.

I'm requesting once again the ignore feature for TST.

[240sxDann]

I just don't care. Yea it sucks, but **** happens.

[mcperson2k]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

You say this... but what have you done to help other countries in your life. Are you in debt because you sent them money/aid that you didn't have. Did you ever volentee to go overseas to help clean up after a disaster. Until you do this, don't talk to me about my additite. If it weren't for people that had the guts to just say we can't afford this, we would have an even bigger deficit then we already do.

LOL I am so glad you directed this at me.

Like I said previously, I completed a year at a Christian University. (Lee University to be exact). However I was actually there for 3 semesters, but never completed my third. Within that time I have gone to Mexico twice to help build buildings, and spend time with children in orphanages. That was in Mexico, I cant tell you how many times I have gone with my school to help local people in need. One time we just helped clean someones house, and cleaned up their yard which was covered in junk, but help is help. So that is my volunteering experience... As far as donations, my parents donate money every single time a natural disaster like this happens. I was raised this way, and expected to do the same, so my girlfriend and I have already mailed 100.00 dollars to my friend Brittany who lives in Haiti. Might not be a lot to you, but its a lot to them.

So, you can keep saying the reason you don't think we should help is because of the state the US is in, but everyone who reads your writing, knows in their head that the real issue is the fact that your a greedy, selfish individual, who rather have the next great Xbox game, than to help someone you don't know live a better life. You don't better anyone's life but your own, and than when others try to help, you give them grief. I don't think you realize just how many pairs of pants, your 1 pair of 70 dollar jeans can buy for children who don't even have a single pair of pants to wear...

[angdefeo]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

If it weren't for people that had the guts to just say we can't afford this, we would have an even bigger deficit then we already do.

The last adminsitration which on paper are supposed to be fiscally conservative grew the deficit more than any other prior administration in history.

Until people wise up in our country, we may slowly turn into a country needing help from other places.


Here is something to keep in mind when it comes to promised aide when a natural disaster happens. Most of the help that is pledged is never given. When it comes to our country, the USA. They are sending military personal there to help. Its already people that were being paid. So instead of chalking up their salary to military life and training, its not being used to help Haiti. So lets not all think that the money we pledged is a blank check that Haiti will spend.

US companies will get a chance to rebuild infrastructure, clear the debris and sell them millions of dollars in equipment, power plants, phone systems after things are cleaned up. We dont give financial aide to a country that wont scratch our back.

For example, has the US ever helped an African country that was in need. We dropped off grain and rice from planes and walked away. Why? Cause they wont buy US things later.

So lets not think that any aide is charity. Its really an opportunity to sell more products.

[BigWhiteTodd]

I was just thinking about this when I was watchin tv and saw reporter talking about sending supplies to them, my view is that US has tons of its own problems why keep helping every country that has something go wrong. We still have a people losing jobs daily cause our country is dieing but we just keep sending money and supplies. To tell the truth I could give to ****s because yeah they sent 37,000 to the US we gave them the money ok they help fight in wars I bet being in a war they got treated better then they did in their own country. Now no one get but hurt thats my opinion Im not tryin to start a fight.

[mcperson2k]

Its so frustrating to see how many ignorant Americans their really are... When I say ignorant, I don't mean the slang term, as in your disrespecting me! I mean, you know nothing about anything you aren't directly involved in.

How long do you think this country would last if we just built a wall around our boarders, and took care of ourselves, without the dependence of other countries? If we did this, the US wouldn't exist today. Whats so frustrating is that you guys just honestly cant grasp the concept of the bigger picture. Look at the average Americans house, 90% of EVERYTHING in it, down to the materials used in constructing a house, comes from different countries. You guys think that the US could support its self with out the hand of other countries?

You guys saying you honestly don't care about what has happened in Haiti are truthfully, just straight up disgusting people. There is obviously some chemical imbalance in your head or something, to explain the utter cruelty you have for other human beings, which your no better than. Who cares if you don't help them, other people will go above and beyond to make up for yourself, but to actually sit here and say you don't care... Just wow...

[240sxDann]

It's not like we're wishing harm upon them, I just don't care.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

Its so frustrating to see how many ignorant Americans their really are... When I say ignorant, I don't mean the slang term, as in your disrespecting me! I mean, you know nothing about anything you aren't directly involved in.

How long do you think this country would last if we just built a wall around our boarders, and took care of ourselves, without the dependence of other countries? If we did this, the US wouldn't exist today. Whats so frustrating is that you guys just honestly cant grasp the concept of the bigger picture. Look at the average Americans house, 90% of EVERYTHING in it, down to the materials used in constructing a house, comes from different countries. You guys think that the US could support its self with out the hand of other countries?

You guys saying you honestly don't care about what has happened in Haiti are truthfully, just straight up disgusting people. There is obviously some chemical imbalance in your head or something, to explain the utter cruelty you have for other human beings, which your no better than. Who cares if you don't help them, other people will go above and beyond to make up for yourself, but to actually sit here and say you don't care... Just wow...

Preach on brotha!

[HickRocket1258]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

Its so frustrating to see how many ignorant Americans their really are... When I say ignorant, I don't mean the slang term, as in your disrespecting me! I mean, you know nothing about anything you aren't directly involved in.

How long do you think this country would last if we just built a wall around our boarders, and took care of ourselves, without the dependence of other countries? If we did this, the US wouldn't exist today. Whats so frustrating is that you guys just honestly cant grasp the concept of the bigger picture. Look at the average Americans house, 90% of EVERYTHING in it, down to the materials used in constructing a house, comes from different countries. You guys think that the US could support its self with out the hand of other countries?

You guys saying you honestly don't care about what has happened in Haiti are truthfully, just straight up disgusting people. There is obviously some chemical imbalance in your head or something, to explain the utter cruelty you have for other human beings, which your no better than. Who cares if you don't help them, other people will go above and beyond to make up for yourself, but to actually sit here and say you don't care... Just wow...

You do have a good point and will agree, but I some of us might think that is all that money really going to give them the supplies they need to recover, all of the $100 million worth? A lot of us don't wish harm on the people like 240Dansx said, it's more the political power of theirs is just in the wrong hands and they aren't there to help improve the improving of others there. I do feel bad for the people that aren't involved with the corruption and are not able to control their faith and do better.

You could go on and on reading articles about this but I found this one to be quite interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_haiti_following_the_money

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

How long do you think this country would last if we just built a wall around our boarders, and took care of ourselves, without the dependence of other countries? If we did this, the US wouldn't exist today. Whats so frustrating is that you guys just honestly cant grasp the concept of the bigger picture. Look at the average Americans house, 90% of EVERYTHING in it, down to the materials used in constructing a house, comes from different countries. You guys think that the US could support its self with out the hand of other countries?

This is a big difference between trading/selling good and handouts to 'poor' countries. You act like people came to America with stacks of cash. Yet they seemed to be able to build farms and find ways to surivive and prosper. They have been given a crapload of money and did nothing with it. How many chances do you really get before you are just SOL...

[1988 Olds]

Originally Posted by 240sxDann

It's not like we're wishing harm upon them, I just don't care.

I am 100% with you. I myself just don't like to see American's losing jobs while we send money to help other countries.

[BigWhiteTodd]

Originally Posted by 240sxDann

It's not like we're wishing harm upon them, I just don't care.

pretty much were i was getting at.

[BradC]

Originally Posted by grimm

i think we should send: food, medical supplies, water, equipment to help remove debris, man power to help move debris etc etc.
I do not think we should send them a check.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by angdefeo

The last adminsitration which on paper are supposed to be fiscally conservative grew the deficit more than any other prior administration in history.

Correct, until now. I am not for any politician, R or D, running up our deficit.

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

You guys saying you honestly don't care about what has happened in Haiti are truthfully, just straight up disgusting people. There is obviously some chemical imbalance in your head or something, to explain the utter cruelty you have for other human beings, which your no better than. Who cares if you don't help them, other people will go above and beyond to make up for yourself, but to actually sit here and say you don't care... Just wow...

There is a difference between saying we shouldn't send Haiti money vs. not caring.

Even if they actually DON'T care about them, that is their right. You have no place to insult someone like that.

The Haitians have been free of colonial rule almost as long as we have. Their corrupt government and uneducated populace has kept them from prospering.

The US has given the following in foreign aid to Haiti lately (can only quickly find stats to '06)

2006 - $163 million
2005 - $125 million
2004 - $101 million
2003 - $26 million
2002 - $31 million
2001 - $48 million

You'd think with all this aid, they would have some more to show for it, besides being a festering **** hole of an island.

[Foolinaround]

Btw guys.

The estimated population of the United States is 307,659,212
so each citizen's share of this debt is $39,945.80.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.91 billion per day since September 28, 2007

Just saying that if its only a few cents of our taxes,why are we still so deep in debt?

[grimm]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

Its so frustrating to see how many ignorant Americans their really are... When I say ignorant, I don't mean the slang term, as in your disrespecting me! I mean, you know nothing about anything you aren't directly involved in.

How long do you think this country would last if we just built a wall around our boarders, and took care of ourselves, without the dependence of other countries? If we did this, the US wouldn't exist today. Whats so frustrating is that you guys just honestly cant grasp the concept of the bigger picture. Look at the average Americans house, 90% of EVERYTHING in it, down to the materials used in constructing a house, comes from different countries. You guys think that the US could support its self with out the hand of other countries?

You guys saying you honestly don't care about what has happened in Haiti are truthfully, just straight up disgusting people. There is obviously some chemical imbalance in your head or something, to explain the utter cruelty you have for other human beings, which your no better than. Who cares if you don't help them, other people will go above and beyond to make up for yourself, but to actually sit here and say you don't care... Just wow...

problem 1: Haiti has no way to generate it's own income, they have nothing to export, they don't produce anything. they barely have enough farming to feed themselves.

problem 2: Haiti's government is corrupt.

I agree the US as well as most other nations rely on other nations products and exports to stay afloat. But sadly Haiti has nothing to offer. their own government is too busy padding it's pockets with the aid other countries give them, then to care for it's own citizens. But yet us Americans that have already given Haiti billions of dollars are cruel because we don't want to increase our debt to fill their political leaders pockets? how much money do you flush down a toilet before you realize it's a not going towards what it was meant to. In an ideal world i would agree, but the fact is that the money we sent over there already and are continuing to send doesn't make it into the hands of the people that need it. I bet 1/4 of the supplies we send over there gets spoiled or goes bad before it makes it to the people that need it. There is too much political corruption and no industry to produce a sustainable income for them. It's sad.