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deadone000 · 03-05-2007, 01:06 PM

ok so me & my gf want to start a project on my car(93 integra) we was planning to go lsvtec but i chose to just build up the b18a1...i made a list of things that i would be purchasin and hopefully be finished by summer time...the car is basicly stock right now...so far i only have a k&n short ram intake...i plan on purchasin a megan racing header soon...and so far im lookin into purchasin crower 404 cams, crower dual springs & retainers ,ctr pistons & rings, arp bolts...so my question is my car will be used for daily driving...so are the 404's good or would i need to take a step down for the 403's?and with upgrading the cams would i need to upgrade my valves too?

na is best! · 03-05-2007, 02:06 PM

okay... first for daily driving I wouldnt recomend the CTR pistons in a LS/V setup....I am not familiar with crower cams but with any cam upgrade it is recomended to upgrade to a stiffer valve..megan headers are alright but there are better choices.... the springs and retainers are fine... you dont really need eagle rods with a OEM piston... just use your LS rods...or get both rods and pistons aftermarket...arp rod bolts are good...NOW FOR MY ADVICE.... I am not sure on what you budget for this build is or what goals you are going for... but here is a good simple allmotor/nitrous street setup...

Go ls/vtec... all you need is a head, dizzy, sandwich plate and oil lines.. it is definetly worth it(i actually perfer the gsr block but if you got a ls already run with it)
for head work get supertech valvetrain with flat face valves, skunk2 cams, adj. cam gears, 2 layer cometic head gasket, use you ls bottom with ls crank and rods and get some 81.5mm jdm b16 pistons... your compression would be decent for allmotor or spray setup... should be able to make some good numbers.... also get yours hands on a b16 tranny.. if you have anyquestions feel free to ask me.. I also can get all the parts I listed above and more...good luck with your build

Loserkidwac · 03-05-2007, 02:35 PM

Since it sounds like you decided against going LS/Vtec and you just want to build the LS, why not make a turbo build? PM if you are interested I have a few LS motors for sale and a B16 long block B18b Short block combo too perfect if you decide to go LS/Vtec or a low miles B18b that would love some boost...that would keep you from having any down time with your car

deadone000 · 03-05-2007, 07:46 PM

im not lookin into makin crazy power thats why i really dont wanna go with the ls vtec or boost, i just want to make like 20-40 horses something to keep up with si's and gsr's...would i need to upgrade my rods too or would they be just fine with the setup i mentioned earlier?

Loserkidwac · 03-05-2007, 11:04 PM

20-40hp...just bottle feed it

na is best! · 03-05-2007, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadone000

im not lookin into makin crazy power thats why i really dont wanna go with the ls vtec or boost, i just want to make like 20-40 horses something to keep up with si's and gsr's...would i need to upgrade my rods too or would they be just fine with the setup i mentioned earlier?

lsvtecs arent crazy hp... if they are crazy too you then you must see ALOT of slow cars...

anyway if you really wanna stay straight ls then your rods and pct pistons would be fine.. you dont need to do anything to the rods.. you should have around 11.6 ratio.. good for juice by the way

CHR!S · 03-05-2007, 11:42 PM

boost it at like 5psi. get like 170ish whp.

www.honda-tech.com is always a GREAT place for technical info.

reliable ls/vtec builds: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1362978

na is best! · 03-05-2007, 11:43 PM

screw honda tech!!!!!!! bunch of mr. no it alls who dont own nothing and just like to hate... thats why I am here... nice small site.. there are a couple of knowledgeable ppl here who can help him with any build he needs help with....TRISTATETUNERS FOR THE WIN!!!

CHR!S · 03-06-2007, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by na is best!

screw honda tech!!!!!!! bunch of mr. no it alls who dont own nothing and just like to hate... thats why I am here... nice small site.. there are a couple of knowledgeable ppl here who can help him with any build he needs help with....TRISTATETUNERS FOR THE WIN!!!

guess you dont read any of the technical forums on honda-tech then. not everyone on there is a know-it-all. plus, every honda/acura person on this site doesnt know everything there is to know about hondas.

deadone000 · 03-06-2007, 07:42 AM

lol...im not looking to boost at all or do lsvtec...only reason why i chose to build b/c 1 of my piston rings got fried so im like ill just take this advantage to get some extra stuff on the side

CHR!S · 03-06-2007, 10:11 AM

well since you want to stick with the all motor non vtec ls, crower products are the best for this.
the crower 404's are a pretty agressive ls cam, but there shouldnt be any problem using them in a daily. my friend is using buddy club spec 3+'s in his gsr and as long as your car is tuned properly it will run fine. with these cams, its highly suggested to upgrade the rest of the valvetrain as well since you will be putting more stress on the internals with the cams. even if you run crower 403's you should still upgrade the valvetrain.

I would also suggest not getting ctr pistons, rather get some nice 10.0-10.5:1 wiseco/arias/je/cp pistons and some eagle rods. the stock ls components were only made to rev out to 7000 rpms and they tend to get damaged when revving higher up.

www.nonvtec.com is a good place for non-vtec research. i remember seeing a guy on there with an ls block with the crower 404's push out 190whp and almost 175wtq. good luck with the build

deadone000 · 03-06-2007, 02:24 PM

alright thanks

spoolinSTi · 03-06-2007, 04:55 PM

b20vtec.com has a really good write up on lsvtec

ketchup! · 03-07-2007, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHR!S

guess you dont read any of the technical forums on honda-tech then. not everyone on there is a know-it-all. plus, every honda/acura person on this site doesnt know everything there is to know about hondas.

agreed, h-t helped me learn alot in the technical aspect, especially when it comes to boost

highmilehatch · 03-07-2007, 12:27 AM

If your looking here to learn anything "technical" about Hondas, your on the wrong site. Granted, there are some that are knowledgeable, but most don't take this site seriously and just use it as a playground for their asinine thoughts, and occasionally like to bicker like children. Everything you could ever possibly want to know is in the H-tech archives. Alot of the fast guys on there definitely know their stuff. Also take a look at:

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/

www.hondaswap.com

http://technet.ff-squad.com/

http://www.hybridgarage.com/

deadone000 · 03-07-2007, 01:35 AM

thanks for all the help, hopefully i can get it done by june

2000MRDC2 · 03-08-2007, 01:25 PM

if u really need advice mike from BCspeed on here is a vendor and he knows his **** so PM me or go to the vendor forum and give him a call.

dturbocivic · 03-10-2007, 03:23 PM

i dont know sh1t about honda's or any engine/car for that matter..

CHR!S · 03-10-2007, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dturbocivic

i dont know sh1t about honda's or any engine/car for that matter..

i wouldnt be surprised. didnt you buy your racecar already built?

E-Money · 03-12-2007, 05:36 PM

turbo

03-05-2007, 01:06 PM	#1
deadone000 Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: trenton nj Member #1255 iTrader: (0)	people from the honda scene need ur help ok so me & my gf want to start a project on my car(93 integra) we was planning to go lsvtec but i chose to just build up the b18a1...i made a list of things that i would be purchasin and hopefully be finished by summer time...the car is basicly stock right now...so far i only have a k&n short ram intake...i plan on purchasin a megan racing header soon...and so far im lookin into purchasin crower 404 cams, crower dual springs & retainers ,ctr pistons & rings, arp bolts...so my question is my car will be used for daily driving...so are the 404's good or would i need to take a step down for the 403's?and with upgrading the cams would i need to upgrade my valves too? Last edited by deadone000; 03-05-2007 at 10:43 PM.

03-05-2007, 02:06 PM	#2
na is best! Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Feb 2007 Member #3643 iTrader: (0)	okay... first for daily driving I wouldnt recomend the CTR pistons in a LS/V setup....I am not familiar with crower cams but with any cam upgrade it is recomended to upgrade to a stiffer valve..megan headers are alright but there are better choices.... the springs and retainers are fine... you dont really need eagle rods with a OEM piston... just use your LS rods...or get both rods and pistons aftermarket...arp rod bolts are good...NOW FOR MY ADVICE.... I am not sure on what you budget for this build is or what goals you are going for... but here is a good simple allmotor/nitrous street setup... Go ls/vtec... all you need is a head, dizzy, sandwich plate and oil lines.. it is definetly worth it(i actually perfer the gsr block but if you got a ls already run with it) for head work get supertech valvetrain with flat face valves, skunk2 cams, adj. cam gears, 2 layer cometic head gasket, use you ls bottom with ls crank and rods and get some 81.5mm jdm b16 pistons... your compression would be decent for allmotor or spray setup... should be able to make some good numbers.... also get yours hands on a b16 tranny.. if you have anyquestions feel free to ask me.. I also can get all the parts I listed above and more...good luck with your build __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

03-05-2007, 02:35 PM	#3
Loserkidwac Tri-State Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SE PA Member #2550 My Ride: 1992 Mazda Miata, 1991 Honda CRX Si LS-T, 95 Civic VX iTrader: (3)	Since it sounds like you decided against going LS/Vtec and you just want to build the LS, why not make a turbo build? PM if you are interested I have a few LS motors for sale and a B16 long block B18b Short block combo too perfect if you decide to go LS/Vtec or a low miles B18b that would love some boost...that would keep you from having any down time with your car __________________ MoHawks are Cool To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

03-05-2007, 07:46 PM	#4
deadone000 Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: trenton nj Member #1255 iTrader: (0)	im not lookin into makin crazy power thats why i really dont wanna go with the ls vtec or boost, i just want to make like 20-40 horses something to keep up with si's and gsr's...would i need to upgrade my rods too or would they be just fine with the setup i mentioned earlier? Last edited by deadone000; 03-05-2007 at 10:43 PM.

03-05-2007, 11:04 PM	#5
Loserkidwac Tri-State Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SE PA Member #2550 My Ride: 1992 Mazda Miata, 1991 Honda CRX Si LS-T, 95 Civic VX iTrader: (3)	20-40hp...just bottle feed it __________________ MoHawks are Cool To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

03-05-2007, 11:42 PM	#7
CHR!S Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2005 Member #460 My Ride: 2005 Cadillac CTS-V iTrader: (0)	boost it at like 5psi. get like 170ish whp. www.honda-tech.com is always a GREAT place for technical info. reliable ls/vtec builds: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1362978

03-05-2007, 11:43 PM	#8
na is best! Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Feb 2007 Member #3643 iTrader: (0)	screw honda tech!!!!!!! bunch of mr. no it alls who dont own nothing and just like to hate... thats why I am here... nice small site.. there are a couple of knowledgeable ppl here who can help him with any build he needs help with....TRISTATETUNERS FOR THE WIN!!! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

03-06-2007, 07:42 AM	#10
deadone000 Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: trenton nj Member #1255 iTrader: (0)	lol...im not looking to boost at all or do lsvtec...only reason why i chose to build b/c 1 of my piston rings got fried so im like ill just take this advantage to get some extra stuff on the side

03-06-2007, 10:11 AM	#11
CHR!S Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2005 Member #460 My Ride: 2005 Cadillac CTS-V iTrader: (0)	well since you want to stick with the all motor non vtec ls, crower products are the best for this. the crower 404's are a pretty agressive ls cam, but there shouldnt be any problem using them in a daily. my friend is using buddy club spec 3+'s in his gsr and as long as your car is tuned properly it will run fine. with these cams, its highly suggested to upgrade the rest of the valvetrain as well since you will be putting more stress on the internals with the cams. even if you run crower 403's you should still upgrade the valvetrain. I would also suggest not getting ctr pistons, rather get some nice 10.0-10.5:1 wiseco/arias/je/cp pistons and some eagle rods. the stock ls components were only made to rev out to 7000 rpms and they tend to get damaged when revving higher up. www.nonvtec.com is a good place for non-vtec research. i remember seeing a guy on there with an ls block with the crower 404's push out 190whp and almost 175wtq. good luck with the build

03-06-2007, 02:24 PM	#12
deadone000 Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: trenton nj Member #1255 iTrader: (0)	alright thanks

03-06-2007, 04:55 PM	#13
spoolinSTi Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA Member #3356 My Ride: 1998 Eagle talon TSi AWD iTrader: (1)	b20vtec.com has a really good write up on lsvtec

03-07-2007, 12:27 AM	#15
highmilehatch Tri-State Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PA Member #929 iTrader: (3)	If your looking here to learn anything "technical" about Hondas, your on the wrong site. Granted, there are some that are knowledgeable, but most don't take this site seriously and just use it as a playground for their asinine thoughts, and occasionally like to bicker like children. Everything you could ever possibly want to know is in the H-tech archives. Alot of the fast guys on there definitely know their stuff. Also take a look at: http://forums.evans-tuning.com/ www.hondaswap.com http://technet.ff-squad.com/ http://www.hybridgarage.com/ __________________ 92 SC300 - 2JZGTE 93 Civic Si - 11.3@125 stock block pump gas FOR SALE Last edited by highmilehatch; 03-07-2007 at 12:48 AM.

03-07-2007, 01:35 AM	#16
deadone000 Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: trenton nj Member #1255 iTrader: (0)	thanks for all the help, hopefully i can get it done by june

03-08-2007, 01:25 PM	#17
2000MRDC2 Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Philly Member #1004 My Ride: 1999 Integra LS Sedan iTrader: (1)	if u really need advice mike from BCspeed on here is a vendor and he knows his **** so PM me or go to the vendor forum and give him a call. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. Honda <3

03-10-2007, 03:23 PM	#18
dturbocivic Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Hatfield, PA Member #2384 My Ride: XXXX HP to the tires :P iTrader: (1)	i dont know sh1t about honda's or any engine/car for that matter.. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

03-12-2007, 05:36 PM	#20
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