Sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare

[OutlawzPrez]

If I decide not to get health insurance the government is going to fine me $2,500 every year.

Lets reform OURS & NOT fall under socialism! One of the primary issues I take with Obama’s health-care plan is that this kind of wealth transfer was never envisioned by the Constitution. The Bill of Rights guarantees that we should be able to live our lives relatively free from government interference. I should be free to live my life without health insurance and not receiving a $2,500 fine from the government if I so choose. I wonder if there are any valid Constitutional arguments to be made here. This is more then just an income tax, this is something entirely different. The founders never expected our federal government to go to this kind of extent or to wield this much power over it’s citizenry.

Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.

http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/

[jpalamar]

If they would just not treat people without insurance this wouldn't be a problem. You gotta pay to play.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

If they would just not treat people without insurance this wouldn't be a problem. You gotta pay to play.

I don't have insurance...why should they turn me away? I prefer to pay my own way.

Anyway, I already signed it and called every politician I can get a hold of.

[OutlawzPrez]

Great job man! Lets keep this thing going. People think they can't change the government, but WE the people are the government.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by poolmike

I don't have insurance...why should they turn me away? I prefer to pay my own way.

Anyway, I already signed it and called every politician I can get a hold of.

I'm not saying you should get fined for not having insurnace, but why should WE pay for your health care? If you want to pay for your own stuff, go for it, but I don't see very many people with the kind of cash laying arround to cover very much medically.

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

I'm not saying you should get fined for not having insurnace, but why should WE pay for your health care? If you want to pay for your own stuff, go for it, but I don't see very many people with the kind of cash laying arround to cover very much medically.

We need to give "free health care" to the people who really need it, not the entire frekkin USA including illegal immigrants. We have a system for people who can't afford healthcare already. What we really need to do is reform the current one NOT destroy it.

[jpalamar]

Car insurance is the same concept as health insurance:
You pay for insurance to protect your car. You wreck, you get fix, if no insurance, toyr
You pay for insuance in case of injuruy. If you get hurt, you get patched up. If not, you are SOL.

I pay to drive because maintaining the roads cost money. Health insurance costs money as well. Hence why you pay for it.

How many of the people that NEED health insurance do you think have car payments, cable, high speed internet? They can cut back come of these bills and then can afford it. Some things are luxuries and others are needs. How many people on this site even 'can't aofford ' insurance yet have a modded car.

[grimm]

it's illegal to sell your own organs as well.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by grimm

it's illegal to sell your own organs as well.

They you from eBay if you try... lol

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

Car insurance is the same concept as health insurance:
You pay for insurance to protect your car. You wreck, you get fix, if no insurance, toyr
You pay for insuance in case of injuruy. If you get hurt, you get patched up. If not, you are SOL.

I pay to drive because maintaining the roads cost money. Health insurance costs money as well. Hence why you pay for it.

How many of the people that NEED health insurance do you think have car payments, cable, high speed internet? They can cut back come of these bills and then can afford it. Some things are luxuries and others are needs. How many people on this site even 'can't aofford ' insurance yet have a modded car.

Very true. If people just cut back wasteful spending then they could prolly afford health insurance. But they pay for car payments, cable, high speed internet, ps3's, hookers etc.

Did you sign this yet?

[Proven]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

We need to give "free health care" to the people who really need it, not the entire frekkin USA including illegal immigrants. We have a system for people who can't afford healthcare already. What we really need to do is reform the current one NOT destroy it.

(Not trying to bash, seriously, just want information)

So Obama is trying to give free health insurance to non-US citizens like illegal imagrants? Where is this writen BY Obama?

Maybe you can sway me, or maybe I can sway others reading this that this Petition is fueled by feelings and thoughts that aren't true / or twisted truth like how Obama is a terrorist and not a US citizen...

What system do we have for people who can't afford healthcare?

(Again, I'm not trying to bash, just trying to find the truth rather then listening/believing he said, she said, slash wisper down the lane information)

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by Proven

(Not trying to bash, seriously, just want information)

So Obama is trying to give free health insurance to non-US citizens like illegal imagrants? Where is this writen BY Obama?

Maybe you can sway me, or maybe I can sway others reading this that this Petition is fueled by feelings and thoughts that aren't true / or twisted truth like how Obama is a terrorist and not a US citizen...

What system do we have for people who can't afford healthcare?

(Again, I'm not trying to bash, just trying to find the truth rather then listening/believing he said, she said, slash wisper down the lane information)

Better question, why should we have one period?

Signed.

[sleepersatty99]

so your not down with any kind on universal health care?

I'm sorry but we gave the heath care professionals a chance to run the system they couldn't.
So they tried to put business men/women in a position to run it and that is failing more now.
the cost of health care is going up at a rate of 40% a year. I'm sorry but my car insurance doesn't go up that much. even if i get into an accident. In fact in alot of cases it goes down. does my health insurance do that NOPE.

BUT do i think the govt is going about this the wrong way and rushing with this yes. i think they need to take the time and study others universal health care system (i.e Canada).

[zex97]

The government tried their hand at healthcare, ie...medicare and medicaid. Both of those systems are broke, attempt to give you the cheapest care and condone long waits. Even the VA healthcare, which I have used, results in long waits and disputes over payments for care and prescriptions. The government can not run anything efficiently. The only free healthcare option should be for a specific income class or dependent class.

[bastid]

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

so your not down with any kind on universal health care?

I'm sorry but we gave the heath care professionals a chance to run the system they couldn't.
So they tried to put business men/women in a position to run it and that is failing more now.
the cost of health care is going up at a rate of 40% a year. I'm sorry but my car insurance doesn't go up that much. even if i get into an accident. In fact in alot of cases it goes down. does my health insurance do that NOPE.

BUT do i think the govt is going about this the wrong way and rushing with this yes. i think they need to take the time and study others universal health care system (i.e Canada).

The cost of healthcare is rising because 9,000 people turn 65 every day. These are smokers, drinkers, and high-risk patients generally speaking. 80% of all healthcare costs come with chronic yet preventable conditions - Diabetes, Obesity, Hypertension, Hyperlipidemia, Coronary Artery Disease, Asthma, etc. A large population within the 60+ million baby boomers has at least 2 of the above conditions.

As the baby-boomers all age, the cost of healthcare will rise naturally. The idea that any plan the government could slap together will curb healthcare costs increasing is plain lunacy. The variables are out of their control.

The reality of the situation is that its a 50 year solution based on rewarding preventative care and promoting healthy lifestyles.

[sleepersatty99]

Originally Posted by bastid

The cost of healthcare is rising because 9,000 people turn 65 every day. These are smokers, drinkers, and high-risk patients generally speaking. 80% of all healthcare costs come with chronic yet preventable conditions - Diabetes, Obesity, Hypertension, Hyperlipidemia, Coronary Artery Disease, Asthma, etc. A large population within the 60+ million baby boomers has at least 2 of the above conditions.

As the baby-boomers all age, the cost of healthcare will rise naturally. The idea that any plan the government could slap together will curb healthcare costs increasing is plain lunacy. The variables are out of their control.

The reality of the situation is that its a 50 year solution based on rewarding preventative care and promoting healthy lifestyles.

if you think that then how come other countries can do it and yet still drive down there health care? So based on what you just said prescriptions are just supply and demand? so they keep increasing the price for that reason?
So that gives the hospital the right to charge somebody 25 bucks for an aspirin? This is the best and i love this. if you had to pay a doctors or hospital bill out of pocket they would charge 40% to 50% more Then that of a bill sent to someones health care provider. and this is a known fact and i have seen many of my hospital/doctors bills when i having issues with my back. and the difference was amazing at what i would have had to pay if i didn't have insurance.

So tell me how is this fair?

[bastid]

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

if you think that then how come other countries can do it and yet still drive down there health care?

Other countries being the ones who are in more dire financial straits than us? With more healthy populations because they live healthier lifestyles? The ones where half the population isn't obese? Apples and oranges, my friend.

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

So based on what you just said prescriptions are just supply and demand? so they keep increasing the price for that reason?

Prescriptions are priced to counteract R&D, hard and soft costs in getting it through FDA/etc, as well as paid for failed projects that never came to market and still maintain organizational growth year over year. It's a business, remember? Again, people who don't agree with the medication prices can either go with a generic whenever possible or elect a non-drug therapy for their high cholesterol - you know, like stop ****ing eating cholesterol.

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

So that gives the hospital the right to charge somebody 25 bucks for an aspirin?

If that's the fair market price across all area hospitals for an aspirin, then so be it. You don't buy cars from dealerships who gouge their customers do you? Go to a different hospital.

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

if you had to pay a doctors or hospital bill out of pocket they would charge 40% to 50% more Then that of a bill sent to someones health care provider. and this is a known fact and i have seen many of my hospital/doctors bills when i having issues with my back. and the difference was amazing at what i would have had to pay if i didn't have insurance.

Average collections when a balance falls to patient responsibility is approximately 50% at best. So, a $5,000 procedure reimbursed by a payer at $5,000 would be charged $8,000-10,000 to a patient because they will only ever collect the original $5,000 at best. That's how it works... The viable and responsible alternative is that they can charge the same amounts whether its payer or patient responsibility, then send the patient immediately to collections and destroy their credit if they can't make payment on the fee. Most of the time a hospital or healthcare provider will write off large portions of patients' debt.

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by bastid

The cost of healthcare is rising because 9,000 people turn 65 every day. These are smokers, drinkers, and high-risk patients generally speaking. 80% of all healthcare costs come with chronic yet preventable conditions - Diabetes, Obesity, Hypertension, Hyperlipidemia, Coronary Artery Disease, Asthma, etc. A large population within the 60+ million baby boomers has at least 2 of the above conditions.

As the baby-boomers all age, the cost of healthcare will rise naturally. The idea that any plan the government could slap together will curb healthcare costs increasing is plain lunacy. The variables are out of their control.

The reality of the situation is that its a 50 year solution based on rewarding preventative care and promoting healthy lifestyles.

This.

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

Very true. If people just cut back wasteful spending then they could prolly afford health insurance. But they pay for car payments, cable, high speed internet, ps3's, hookers etc.

Did you sign this yet?

And this.

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

if you think that then how come other countries can do it and yet still drive down there health care? So based on what you just said prescriptions are just supply and demand? so they keep increasing the price for that reason?
So that gives the hospital the right to charge somebody 25 bucks for an aspirin? This is the best and i love this. if you had to pay a doctors or hospital bill out of pocket they would charge 40% to 50% more Then that of a bill sent to someones health care provider. and this is a known fact and i have seen many of my hospital/doctors bills when i having issues with my back. and the difference was amazing at what i would have had to pay if i didn't have insurance.

So tell me how is this fair?

When you buy a case of soda at the store, a 12 pack of cans costs you what..4 bucks? Maybe less if you get it on sale. Go to a vending machine and it's $1 a can. Same concept, you want/need it, they got it.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

Better question, why should we have one period?

Signed.

Best question. Try finding out exactly what it is Obama is trying to do before denying it. Or did you just blindly sign it? Are you 100% educated enough to know EXACTLY what it is Obama is trying to do? Or are you just trying to stop something? <

[sleepersatty99]

Originally Posted by bastid

Other countries being the ones who are in more dire financial straits than us? With more healthy populations because they live healthier lifestyles? The ones where half the population isn't obese? Apples and oranges, my friend.



Prescriptions are priced to counteract R&D, hard and soft costs in getting it through FDA/etc, as well as paid for failed projects that never came to market and still maintain organizational growth year over year. It's a business, remember? Again, people who don't agree with the medication prices can either go with a generic whenever possible or elect a non-drug therapy for their high cholesterol - you know, like stop ****ing eating cholesterol.

Just so you know MOST of the countries who you seem to think don't eat ****ty foods. In fact eat more foods higher in fats then we do. look at 3/4 of of the euro countries. there cooking methods and prep methods have more fats to them as well as sugars.

So you don't think getting a universal health care system would give man people the preventive care needed for the county to become healthy?
and be able to control all the variables within a certain time frame?