Sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

PoolMike.... If you had a serious injury that you would need surgery im pretty sure you wouldnt be able to pay out of pocket for that. then you in the hole like so many others out there.

Hence why medical stuff costs so much, to make up the diffrence on the non insured not being able to pay.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

and back on the aspirin thing. they want to charge ME that. but not the insurance company? how is that fair?

PoolMike.... If you had a serious injury that you would need surgery im pretty sure you wouldnt be able to pay out of pocket for that. then you in the hole like so many others out there.

How is my injury and debt anyone else's business or problem? It isn't. I want to pay my own way in life, unfortunately, every time I get ahead, I seem to get more taken by local, state, and federal gov't.

[sleepersatty99]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

Hence why medical stuff costs so much, to make up the diffrence on the non insured not being able to pay.

so by haveing a universal health plan this would not be a problem in anyones case. so you would agree with me then the cost of things would go down?

[sleepersatty99]

Originally Posted by poolmike

How is my injury and debt anyone else's business or problem? It isn't. I want to pay my own way in life, unfortunately, every time I get ahead, I seem to get more taken by local, state, and federal gov't.

because we all have to make it up if people dont pay. if you dont pay that cost gets passed down to us by paying higher cost on things like asprin and bandages.

Yes im all for people paying for the things on there own.

[Elliott18t]

what? why am i paying because someone else didnt?

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

so by haveing a universal health plan this would not be a problem in anyones case. so you would agree with me then the cost of things would go down?

No. Costs will go up for healthy people because we are coving for people who smoke, drink, and eat unhealthy. Also not to mention all the illegials that will be added to the bunch. The are typically lower class and can't live healthy lifestyles. I'm sure their medical costs would be high if they had the choice.

[sleepersatty99]

but you already pay there cost now. because they dint pay or if they have insurance your prem on your insurance is a factor to that already. they way the insurance company formulate what your company's cost of health insurance is they take what your company paid out for the use of the insurance. so even though you might not drink or smoke or do anything else that impairs your health in anyway (cause you seem like you live a very very healthy life style. even though you breath this ****ty smog that we call air). but some of your co works do. So your already paying for them.

And if you think this not true then i have the paper work to show you how they come up with that number.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

but you already pay there cost now. because they dint pay or if they have insurance your prem on your insurance is a factor to that already. they way the insurance company formulate what your company's cost of health insurance is they take what your company paid out for the use of the insurance. so even though you might not drink or smoke or do anything else that impairs your health in anyway (cause you seem like you live a very very healthy life style. even though you breath this ****ty smog that we call air). but some of your co works do. So your already paying for them.

And if you think this not true then i have the paper work to show you how they come up with that number.

I do belive that part of my premium is paying for everyone else. But I also pay a lower rate then say if I smoked. Why should I have to pay the median rate when I'm healthy. I'm not saying I'm a health fanatic but I'm in shape, social drink, and odn't smoke. EX. Simulated insurance quote with Aetna. I was about $160 a month. My g/f with the same plan, but with a pre-existing condition is $240 a month. I think it is fair because her risk of need is higher. How fair would it be if I paid $200 a month just like her?

Aside from ti being fair ot not, how will the governemnt fund it. They are already in debt. We are in a recession so there are too many people not working to even tax. This will be like social security. It will work until the money runs out. Then everyone who releys on it is screwed.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

because we all have to make it up if people dont pay. if you dont pay that cost gets passed down to us by paying higher cost on things like asprin and bandages.

Yes im all for people paying for the things on there own.

Once again, if you decide to pay high premiums, that is your problem and no one else's. If you do so without protesting it, it is your problem. I pay my own way in life, in this 'free' country. If you blindly throw money at an insurance company for health care, that will turn you down for treatments of some kind....you are just punishing yourself.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Once again, if you decide to pay high premiums, that is your problem and no one else's. If you do so without protesting it, it is your problem. I pay my own way in life, in this 'free' country. If you blindly throw money at an insurance company for health care, that will turn you down for treatments of some kind....you are just punishing yourself.

You won't pay your own way if some unforceen accident or medical condition occurs. You will be one of the poeple that gets treated for free and my insurance premium goes up because the hospital jacks their prices up to cover their loss from your treatment.

[SheaButter]

I think that one thing that every person has posted in here hasnt thought of yet is the Doctors or shall I say the ones that have recently become and those that may become Dr. So you are just now becoming a Dr or want to in the near future. You go to school and pay close to $200,000 for your education now the government wants to change the health care system. What does this do to your paycheck. The pay of Dr is going to go down tremendously. So there for most of these dr wont be able to pay their medical student loans off. At what they get paid now it takes them a very long time to pay off their debt. SO think about it the quality of our future dr's is gonna be horrible why because they are not going to get paid what they currently are getting paid. The amount of great dr's and people who want to become Dr's are going to drop. Our health care system will self destruct if this goes through.
Who would want to become a dr go through all the schooling, be put into debt up to ur elbows and become a dr and make crap money for doing it. Medical school is not going to get any cheaper unless this super duper plan has something in there stating this. Sure this may help people that cant afford healthcare but its going to kill our quality of healthcare that we provide. I believe this needs to be stopped ASAP or we will all face a Tyrant of a leader conforming this country to socialism, and on our way to communism. We need to band together as a nation and stop obama from passing every thing he puts up this guy is running america in debt that not only will our children be paying off our grandchildren will be paying for. We should give bigger tax breaks to smaller businesses, this will in turn drive unemployment down bc small businesses will have the cash to hire people and we will slowly but surely rebound.

Consider this petition signed

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

You won't pay your own way if some unforceen accident or medical condition occurs. You will be one of the poeple that gets treated for free and my insurance premium goes up because the hospital jacks their prices up to cover their loss from your treatment.

BULLSHHH! If I land in the hospital today, I am the only one responsible for my debt! Your insurance is not affected at all. Hospitals are businesses, they will provide me with a payment plan, trust me, I have been through it.

The gov't is what drives up the cost of everything we do through regulations, etc. Gov't is the main cause of expensive health insurance and doctor visits, with the helpful hand of lawyers. What makes anyone think that gov't is going to step in and 'fix' the 'problem' that is created?

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by poolmike

BULLSHHH! If I land in the hospital today, I am the only one responsible for my debt! Your insurance is not affected at all. Hospitals are businesses, they will provide me with a payment plan, trust me, I have been through it.

Hospitals aren't banks...

[sleepersatty99]

Originally Posted by SheaButter

I think that one thing that every person has posted in here hasnt thought of yet is the Doctors or shall I say the ones that have recently become and those that may become Dr. So you are just now becoming a Dr or want to in the near future. You go to school and pay close to $200,000 for your education now the government wants to change the health care system. What does this do to your paycheck. The pay of Dr is going to go down tremendously. So there for most of these dr wont be able to pay their medical student loans off. At what they get paid now it takes them a very long time to pay off their debt. SO think about it the quality of our future dr's is gonna be horrible why because they are not going to get paid what they currently are getting paid. The amount of great dr's and people who want to become Dr's are going to drop. Our health care system will self destruct if this goes through.
Who would want to become a dr go through all the schooling, be put into debt up to ur elbows and become a dr and make crap money for doing it. Medical school is not going to get any cheaper unless this super duper plan has something in there stating this. Sure this may help people that cant afford healthcare but its going to kill our quality of healthcare that we provide. I believe this needs to be stopped ASAP or we will all face a Tyrant of a leader conforming this country to socialism, and on our way to communism. We need to band together as a nation and stop obama from passing every thing he puts up this guy is running america in debt that not only will our children be paying off our grandchildren will be paying for. We should give bigger tax breaks to smaller businesses, this will in turn drive unemployment down bc small businesses will have the cash to hire people and we will slowly but surely rebound.

Consider this petition signed

Thats one problem i have with alot of doctor's is that all they care about is there paycheck. not the well being of there patient. and in the last 20 years more and more doc's care about the money. to me that shows greed on there part. people should want to become doctors cause they care about other people not caues its the pay check they care about.

[Nors]

Its sad to see many people arguing against something thats in there best interest/well being because of corporate propaganda.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by poolmike

What about me? I don't pay one penny into health insurance, now I will be forced to pay up. It is just plain wrong. I avoid doctors unless I feel like I am dying, then I pay up or work off the bill. Now I will be forced to pay for folks who abuse the system and go to the emergency room for a paper cut?

The paper cut would be turned down for treatment under Obama's plan That falls into what everyone is hearing about "rationing"

Now, that paper cut would get an x-ray, stitches, a nights stay in the hospitol, and a follow up visit.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by Nors

Its sad to see many people arguing against something thats in there best interest/well being because of corporate propaganda.

Not arguing, debating.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

Thats one problem i have with alot of doctor's is that all they care about is there paycheck. not the well being of there patient. and in the last 20 years more and more doc's care about the money. to me that shows greed on there part. people should want to become doctors cause they care about other people not caues its the pay check they care about.

They care about money. Doesn't everyone? Shouldn't someone who does a job that few can and spends how much on the education(investment) and want to make $ on their invenstment. I don't see people complaining about every other industry that is making money. Why aren't they being reformed?

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Lesson on how to change the world:

Step 1: Turn off your computer. No one ever changed the world by posting threads on internet forums, fyi.

incorrect

[sleepersatty99]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

They care about money. Doesn't everyone? Shouldn't someone who does a job that few can and spends how much on the education(investment) and want to make $ on their invenstment. I don't see people complaining about every other industry that is making money. Why aren't they being reformed?

well the govt is stepping up to big oil company's and they stepped in to save the auto industry didn't they?



Thank god we are all not at a bar or somewhere drinking a few beers and having this conversation. lol