What makes a DSM a DSM??

[Silverfc88]

Alright I've heard of some people saying that the EVO or the 3gen eclipse is not a DSM or some other Mitsu's. Doesn't DSM stand for Diamond Star Motors?? Please clue me in...

[SilverTurboRidin]

maybe because those two dont break down as much??? idk

[SexyDSM95]

anything vehicles manufactured between the years of 1989-1994 are called "DSM". This means the years 1990-1995 are. Why they are called that is due to the merger during those years bewteen Mitsubishi and Chrylster corporations. The EVO has the same motor as a DSM so techincally it is. The best way to find out is to look at the sticker on the door jam or under the hood. It will either say DSM or Mitsubishi.

VFAQ is your friend...here is the direct quote:

Originally Posted by VFAQ

A joint effort by Mitsubishi (three diamonds) and the Chrysler Corporation (penta-star) to build some of the most incredible automobiles in the world. The vehicles were produced with the names Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse, and Plymouth Laser. DSM cars are assembled in Normal, Illinois. The '94-and-up Mitsubishi Galant is also assembled at the DSM plant in IL; previous Galant's were assembled in Japan. The Eclipse and Galant (since '89) share the same platform.

[Sincere]

Now you know and knowing is half the battle

[Silverfc88]

Some helpfull sites that I briefly read through.



http://www.explainplease.com/mitsubishi-eclipse.htm

http://www.geocities.com/seegs_82/Index.html

[SexyDSM95]

I briefly thumbed through those too and all they do is tell you the differences between the models. Not really answering your question...GOOGLE is your friend

[Silverfc88]

Well if DSM stopped in the late 90's then the EVO and the 3gen eclipse wouldn't be considered DSM's anymore even if Chrysler owns 40% of Mitsu's company?? I don't think the 4g63 motor has anything to do with it because Mitsu was making the EVO over in JP for some time.

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[SexyDSM95]

As I stated before.....the Evo 8 has the same motor as the DSM so it's a technicality. Some people may say it's a "DSM" and others may not. It's all in preference. To be 100% sure, you have to check the door jam sticker/underside of the hood sticker. If it says "DSM" then the car is, in fact a DSM. The cars they made over in Japan are considered JDM (Japanese Dynamic Motors, they are called "Cyclones" anyways) since they have nothing to do with the Chrysler/Mitsu merger which these cars were being produced in Illinois. As I said any cars manufactered between 1989-1994 are DSM. But yes, you are correct in thinking that the 3g's are NOT DSM's, neither are the 2GB's (97-99).

[slavetothemuzic]

October 1985, Diamond-Star Motors (DSM) was incorporated as a joint venture of Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC) and Chrysler Corporation.

April 1986, ground broken for the auto assembly plant in Normal, Illinois. Construction of the 1.9 million square foot facility, with an annual production capacity of 240,000 vehicles, was completed in March 1988.

Diamond-Star Motors simultaneously launched its first two mass production vehicles in September 1988: the Mitsubishi Eclipse and the Plymouth Laser.

In 1989, 90,741 vehicles were produced. A second production shift and a third shift for engineering and maintenance were added in May 1989.

In 1991, MMC purchased Chrysler's 50 percent share and the plant became a wholly-owned subsidiary of MMC. On July 1, 1995, Diamond-Star Motors was renamed Mitsubishi Motor Manufacturing of America, Inc.

In October 1995, MMMA celebrated the one-millionth vehicle - which was the first Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder convertible. It was also the 10th anniversary of incorporation.

One thing to note, DSM disolved in either 95 or 96. Technically, the first year of the 2G (95-99) was DSM, the remainder however were not. That's why the majority of people consider 1 and 2G to be DSM. The 3G however, is most definitely NOT DSM.

The 3 cars most well known to be DSM are the Plymouth Laser, Eagle Talon, and Mitsubishi Eclipse.

[noreaga0221]

3g? no.
evo? A dsm's cousin.
3/s? A dsm's cousin.
gvr4? A dsm's older more mature brother.
90-99 eclipses? yes.
90-94 laser? yes.
90-98 talon? yes.


Everyting with a 4g63 isn't a dsm, which is why older hyundias, galants and expo's and might max trucks are not dsms.

In the strictest definition the only dsms were made from 90-95 t/e/l. But the 1st and 2nd gen talons and eclipses are considered dsm's.

[SexyDSM95]

Originally Posted by noreaga0221

3g? no.
evo? A dsm's cousin.
3/s? A dsm's cousin.
gvr4? A dsm's older more mature brother.
90-99 eclipses? yes.
90-94 laser? yes.
90-98 talon? yes.


Everyting with a 4g63 isn't a dsm, which is why older hyundias, galants and expo's and might max trucks are not dsms.

In the strictest definition the only dsms were made from 90-95 t/e/l. But the 1st and 2nd gen talons and eclipses are considered dsm's.

I am not sure about 96, but I am definately sure 97-99 is NOT a DSM.

[noreaga0221]

Sure, they weren't manufactured by diamond star motors but it sure isn't different than any other 'dsm'.

Call it a MMC if you want.

[SexyDSM95]

Originally Posted by noreaga0221

Sure, they weren't manufactured by diamond star motors but it sure isn't different than any other 'dsm'.

Call it a MMC if you want.

The 97-99 don't have a rear limited slip differential or an EPROM ECU. The 99 models also came with the re-designed lifters so no more ticking. Pretty much if you want to get super technical 1990-1995 are DSM's, but most people just call everything Mitsu/Chrysler related a DSM since they do have the same motor and have similar problems.

[272sWrx]

on another note i saw the new eclipse on the road today. that thing is crazy looking.

[Silverfc88]

Thanks. I think I have a better understanding now..

I haven't seen the new Eclipse yet. Waiting to see what it can do..

[98GSXdude]

a dsm is anything that can beat a wrx ;)

[noreaga0221]

Originally Posted by SexyDSM95

The 97-99 don't have a rear limited slip differential or an EPROM ECU. The 99 models also came with the re-designed lifters so no more ticking.

Hmm I had a friend with a 98 gsx auto and it had a lsd in the rear. Your info is wrong. They have different bumpers too.. so what? The eprom ecu thing was something i'm guessing that they were testing before the obdII standard went into effect in 1996 model year cars. I guess they didn't like it so they dropped it. If you have any other info about that I'd love to hear it.

The phrase dsm has come to define a eclipse, talon or laser with a turbocharged 4g63 engine in it. It also extends loosely to the non turbo models offered during the reign of the 4g63 in t/e/l cars and gvr4s.

[Silverfc88]

Originally Posted by noreaga0221

Everyting with a 4g63 isn't a dsm

Why would the term be used loosely for the non turbo? They where made during the same time period.

[noreaga0221]

Originally Posted by SexyDSM95

The cars they made over in Japan are considered JDM (Japanese Dynamic Motors, they are called "Cyclones" anyways)

JDM = japanese domestic market
Cyclone = name of intake manifold equipped stock in japan. While I'm not 100% I'm pretty sure the dsms that were sold in japan were still made in america but exported over there with japans emissions & ect.. But galant vr4s were made in japan.



95nracer.. well the non turbo model between 95 and 99 either had a 420a chysler/neon motor or a 4g64. They are dsms but the owners usually aren't car enthusiasts since its not the model with the heart of the dsm family.

[SexyDSM95]

Originally Posted by noreaga0221

Hmm I had a friend with a 98 gsx auto and it had a lsd in the rear. Your info is wrong.

In the later model 2g's, the LSD was optional. Your info is wrong with stating that all 95-99 E/T/L are DSM's. Look under the hood of a 97-99 and if it still says DSM then I will admit to being wrong. One of the differences with the Eclipses in Japan that I have seen (besides the cyclone intake mani) are the rear tails. Instead of them being all red, they have an orange amber type where the turn signals are: