Cobalt SS

[99SL2_Modder]

I'm in the market for a new (or used, but new to me) car. I'd rather an 8cyl, or something RWD/AWD, but if it comes down to it, I'll be buying me a Cobalt SS. Very beautiful cars.

(Yes, I'm trying to get OUT of the saturn market)

[SilverBulletRL]

No problems with mine Other than the 2 recalls ( 1 for fuel rail and other for cam shaft pos. sensor) it's been a solid car. Gotta love the suicide rear doors

[SilverBulletRL]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

I'm in the market for a new (or used, but new to me) car. I'd rather an 8cyl, or something RWD/AWD, but if it comes down to it, I'll be buying me a Cobalt SS. Very beautiful cars.

(Yes, I'm trying to get OUT of the saturn market)

Cobalt SS - $20k - 22k

Red Line - $14k

Both have same engine, Red Line is lighter... hmmmmmm

Red Line > Cobalt

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by SilverBulletRL

Cobalt SS - $20k - 22k

Red Line - $14k

Both have same engine, Red Line is lighter... hmmmmmm

Red Line > Cobalt

LSD > 14k 04 Redline.

SS looks better. Only plus the RL actually has is the lightness...and seats...and doors. I don't need to justify my choice.

[SilverBulletRL]

SS looks nice... but it looks too much like a civic. LSD is available for the Red Lines through the dealer or Quaife. Same tranny as Saab 9-3 turbo (F35) Someone on RLF already got it installed in theirs.

[SilverBulletRL]

Originally Posted by DropTopChevy

Wilkie Chevrolet set up a new red Cobalt SS at Temple University yesterday for the Spring Fling. The car seems really nice on the inside and it looks like theres and empty spot in the engine compartment on the passenger side. IDK it just looked like wasted space. It looks like a sharp and quick little car I can't wait to test drive one.

Miller

The empty spot you noticed is probably because the battery is in the trunk like the Red Line ;)

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by SilverBulletRL

The empty spot you noticed is probably because the battery is in the trunk like the Red Line ;)

I don't think that's the only reason, but it's probably the best. I honestly think that the 2.0 is relatively compact for a 4cyl (is that possible?), much like the 1.9LLO. It'd look even more uncluttered if they tacked up the wires and tubing more nicely and used the firewall to screw more stuff in (Ala LLO style).

[SilverBulletRL]

Simple design and one of the most efficient 4 cyls.

[Vypurr]

Cobalt SS - $20k - 22k

Red Line - $14k

Both have same engine, Red Line is lighter... hmmmmmm

Red Line > Cobalt

Where did these #'s come from???

Originally Posted by saturn's website

ION•2 Base M.S.R.P.1 — 2.2L, DOHC, 4-cylinder manual $15,495
ION•2 Base M.S.R.P.1 — 2.2L, DOHC, 4-cylinder automatic $16,395
ION•3 Base M.S.R.P.1 — 2.2L, DOHC, 4-cylinder manual $17,245
ION•3 Base M.S.R.P.1 — 2.2L, DOHC, 4-cylinder automatic $18,145
RED LINE Base M.S.R.P.1 — 2.0L, DOHC, 4-cylinder manual $21,450

[SilverBulletRL]

Scott, there's a post on redlineforums.com about how much ppl got their RLs for. Dexter (the kid with the blue one) got his for $14k (16 after warrenty).

[Vypurr]

I am not saying that its not true, but you are comparing the maxium price of the SS to the lowest price possible on a Red Line!

I think it would be pretty close if each car was equally equiped (LSD), and you talked a salesman down. Because GM has wayyy to many cobalts sitting on their lots right now.

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by vypurr@revitup

I am not saying that its not true, but you are comparing the maxium price of the SS to the lowest price possible on a Red Line!

I think it would be pretty close if each car was equally equiped (LSD), and you talked a salesman down. Because GM has wayyy to many cobalts sitting on their lots right now.

[9 Ball]

I'm feel'n the Cobalt. Design wise, it doesn't look as "boy racer-ish" as it's competiters. A little bit more grown up...

The wheels really help make the design stand out also. True pimps ride on 18s.

[capaGC8]

how heavy on the wheels? anything over 20lbs would be ridiculous on such a small car...

I find it hard to believe that when running the same wheels the redline and cobalt are the same weight...

[DropTopChevy]

Correction:
9 Ball
True pimps ride on 19's

Miller

[SilverBulletRL]

Originally Posted by capaGC8

how heavy on the wheels? anything over 20lbs would be ridiculous on such a small car...

I find it hard to believe that when running the same wheels the redline and cobalt are the same weight...

Cobalts are heavier than the Red Line

Red Line 17" Rims are Forged. Without tires they weigh 16lbs.

[capaGC8]

Originally Posted by SilverBulletRL

Cobalts are heavier than the Red Line

Red Line 17" Rims are Forged. Without tires they weigh 16lbs.

i'm just asking if it's the wheels that factor in the increased weight or maybe a stronger drivetrain piece?

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by capaGC8

i'm just asking if it's the wheels that factor in the increased weight or maybe a stronger drivetrain piece?

Wheels partially. The car in general is made of metal, whereas the Ion is plasic.

[capaGC8]

oh yeah - forgot about that saturns are covered in rubbermaid...

from edmunds:
cobalt ss - 2991lbs
saturn rl - 2933 lbs

doesn't seem like too much of a difference when you factor in wheel weights and front lsd

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by capaGC8

oh yeah - forgot about that saturns are covered in rubbermaid...

from edmunds:
cobalt ss - 2991lbs
saturn rl - 2933 lbs

doesn't seem like too much of a difference when you factor in wheel weights and front lsd

It's not too much of a difference, this is true. THe LSD doesn't weigh that much more. It typically weighs about the same as a stock open diff.

But you have to think of the amount of power being lost trying to turn the tires. Bigger diameter and more weight is going to produce a negative effect on the overall movement of the vehicle. I bet if they dropped light 16's on to either car, you'd slam acceleration like no other. All in all, the cars would be fairly evenly matched with matching tires, however, purely for weight, the RL in the long run would pass by mere inches or so.