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AutobahnRacer 11-23-2010 01:54 PM

How long to get your License to carry concealed weapon
 
How long did it take you, vote than post the actual amount of time?

Thanks

rodder 11-23-2010 02:02 PM

The law allows up to 45 days for the sheriff to approve or deny. Mine took the full 45 days.

AutobahnRacer 11-23-2010 02:05 PM

I did see that. What county are you in?

Xavier 11-23-2010 03:28 PM

Took me about two weeks in Chester County.

rodder 11-23-2010 03:37 PM

Northampton County

WKderF 11-23-2010 03:46 PM

ill try & break down how long mine took:

went to local PD for local background check & waited 5-10 for results which came back clean,

drove 40 min to montgomery county court house with clean local check paperwork,

waited in line about 7 min for my turn,

filled out paperwork, paid, had picture taken,

walked out with License.



In all, The whole process took about a little over an hour.



This was Cheltenham Township in Montgomery County. I realize my experience is not the norm, & that most people have to wait weeks for the local check to be completed. I dont know why or how cheltenham was able to do the check so quickly, but it seemed like just another day at the office for them.

DC2.2GSR 11-23-2010 07:31 PM

There's no option for < 10 minutes. lol. I drove 5 minutes to the police station where the Sheriff was holding a 'remote' LTCF day. I parked my car, walked all the way into the back room where a single guy was sitting reading a book and waiting for people. He did his thing, handed me me LTCF and I was back in my car in 9 minutes.

Aside from "Constitutional Carry" like Vermont, that's the way it should work. In and out... ASAP. PA is a "shall issue" state and all counties must give you a LTCF unless there's a specific reason found that bar you from obtaining the LTCF (like a felony record). The Sheriff can determine whether or not you're eligible alomost immediately with the PICS phone call just as if you were buying a gun. There's absolutely no reason that some counties wait as long as they do or like MontCo, force you to jump through hoops and drive to the local PD and then back to the courthouse and then wait (in most cases)... they just hate guns and gun owners and are doing everything they possibly can to annoy the s*** out of you. The law says 45 days including weekends... 1.5 months... is the limit. They must issue by then.


I'm not really trying to pick on you or anything, but why the new thread for a poll? The only people who carry a firearm on this site are already very active within the 'I like Guns' thread. I think we've almost all responded here already. lol.

OutToWinPAHC 11-23-2010 07:48 PM

22 hours

AutobahnRacer 11-23-2010 08:00 PM

Well mine actually came today, submitted it Last Tuesday and it came today. I am very happy.

1988 Olds 11-23-2010 08:32 PM

Mine too about two weeks and we might as well set you straight now. In PA its a License to Cary Firearm (LTCF) not CCW

AutobahnRacer 11-23-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR (Post 1858834)
I'm not really trying to pick on you or anything, but why the new thread for a poll? The only people who carry a firearm on this site are already very active within the 'I like Guns' thread. I think we've almost all responded here already. lol.

Its cool, very valid question. Too much too read, too many sub topics going on, and this sticks out more. Reason I asked because I was curious as to the duration of most people and their counties.






License is for concealed to my understanding. Open carry does not need any license in PA

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By David M. Goldman on May 29, 2008 10:27 AM
To carry a handgun concealed in public, an individual must possess a valid Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms (LTCF, 18 PA.C.S. § 6106) or an equivalent license issued by a state that Pennsylvania honors (See www.attorneygeneral.gov for up to date reciprocity agreements).

An individual may carry a concealed handgun, without a LTCF:

1. in one's home,
2. fixed place of business, and
3. on private property where permission has been given

(18 PA.C.S. § 6106).

Moreover, an individual cannot carry a handgun in a vehicle without a valid Pennsylvania LTCF or an equivalent license issued by a state that Pennsylvania honors (18 PA.C.S. § 6106). Nevertheless, an individual with a LTCF is NOT required to carry concealed; he/she may carry openly, including in cities of the first class, such as Philadelphia.

Under the Pennsylvania Uniform Firearms Act (UFA), Pennsylvania resident LTCF are issued by the county sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the applicant resides. Nonresidents licenses are issued by select county sheriff offices.

Pennsylvania is a "shall issue" state, meaning that the appropriate sheriff must issue the license, unless the applicant is prohibited.
There are places which are off-limits in Pennsylvania , when concealed carrying. These include:

1. All Federal Facilities (Unless Authorized);
2. All Court Facilities;
3. State Parks (except while in a vehicle);
4. Adult and Juvenile Detention Facilities; and 5. Airport Terminals (secure areas only).


The issue of both open and concealed carry on school property has not been determined. Per 18 PA.C.S. 912, possession of "a weapon in the buildings of, on the grounds of, or in any conveyance providing transportation to or from any elementary or secondary publicly-funded educational institution, any elementary or secondary private school licensed by the Department of Education or any elementary or secondary parochial school" is a misdemeanor of the first degree. However, the statute allows for "a defense that the weapon is possessed and used in conjunction with a lawful supervised school activity or course or is possessed for other lawful purpose."

There is an issue of the Pennsylvania State Police (PSP newsletter regarding CCW on/in schools zones. It gives an example of a PA concealed license permit as being an exception to the federal law; however, there is no definitive answer at this time. You might read page 3 of the PSP newsletter regarding CCW on/in a school zone.PA firearms2006_Dec.pdf

It should be noted that Pennsylvania allows the concealed (with a LTCF) or open carry of a firearm in an establishment that sells or serves alcohol.

OutToWinPAHC 11-23-2010 08:55 PM

Yes... but don't do it in Pittsburg or Philadelphia.... They have superseded code and plenty of case law that will cause you to land your @ss in jail. I wonder how myself, but play it safe.... concealed permit.

Big_Jim 11-23-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OutToWinPAHC (Post 1858843)
22 hours

In Philadelphia County?

OutToWinPAHC 11-23-2010 09:04 PM

Bucks.... However, I used to be a state trooper as well

AutobahnRacer 11-23-2010 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutToWinPAHC (Post 1858880)
Yes... but don't do it in Pittsburg or Philadelphia.... They have superseded code and plenty of case law that will cause you to land your @ss in jail. I wonder how myself, but play it safe.... concealed permit.

So what happens when you live there and have to renew? I thought you had to go to the county in which you live to apply for new or renewal.

OutToWinPAHC 11-23-2010 09:26 PM

I said don't open carry in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh county without a LTCF. It is legal in every county but those two without a permit. The are considered cities of first class, and require permit.

And I live in Bucks County.

AutobahnRacer 11-23-2010 09:29 PM

Ohhh I knew that, my mistake I thought you were referring to actually getting the license. My apologies.

olletsocmit 11-23-2010 09:56 PM

It all depends where you get it, we talked about this a lot in the "I like guns" thread. I live in Montgomery county. mine took verrrrry long. I do have a kinda shady criminal record, but it still should not take more then a month. In Bucks... you can walk in and get it and be out the door in less than 45 min.

DC2.2GSR 11-23-2010 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutToWinPAHC (Post 1858880)
Yes... but don't do it in Pittsburg or Philadelphia.... They have superseded code and plenty of case law that will cause you to land your @ss in jail. I wonder how myself, but play it safe.... concealed permit.

:bigeek: What??

Open carry is perfectly legal while on foot in Pittsburgh without a LTCF and also perfectly legal in Philadelphia with a valid LTCF (because it's the only City of the First Class in PA). There is no superseding the Uniform Firearms Act... it is the law. The Philadelphia's Police Department, which is made up of barely educated, corrupt thugs who couldn't care less what the law says, have been told numerous times about open carry in Philly being legal with a LTCF... specifically during their 2009 MPOETC training. It's those warped individuals who have completely distorted the law and have some sort of false impression that open carry is illegal and who wrongly arrest/detain/steal openly carried weapons from people who are well within their rights to open carry within the city because they hold a valid LTCF.

Because of recent events, they have been updated yet again, but they have chosen to write it into their "department policy" that officers are to stop, disarm, and check for LTCF if they see someone open carrying. That's against the law, but they will continue to break the law until someone steps in and puts up a legal fight. Fortunately for all of us, whether we choose to open carry or not, that's happening right now.

Basically, after a long winded post, everyone needs to understand that open carry IS legal in both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and there is nothing in case law or otherwise that says anything about it being illegal. If you happen to get hassled by either department or at worst, detained or arrested or have your weapon confiscated, well then you might just end up with a good chuck of money for your troubles.

ETA: I didn't see your other post.. I thought you were saying don't OC in either city at all. I see that you understand that LTCF is required to OC in Philly, but it is not required in Pittsburgh unless you hop in a car.

Big_Jim 11-23-2010 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OutToWinPAHC (Post 1858921)
And I live in Bucks County.

Location: Northeast Philly

max2k1 11-24-2010 04:39 AM

Location: Bucks County

Took me about 20 minutes to get mine.

Went to the downstairs office in the Doylestown courthouse. Handed them my application. They took 5 min for the backround check. Waited 5 min for them to move the prisoners there for court out of the hallway where the room to take pictures for the I.D. is at. 10 minutes later I had my permit card with my picture in hand and walking out the door. The most time consuming thing was finding parking around the courthouse haha.

Munky 11-24-2010 08:01 AM

Reading, PA and it took me < 5 minutes on my 21st bday. The guy at the counter said "Going out for some drinks today?" My reply was "NO...going to the range". He chuckled snapped my picture and handed me my license.

ThePrimerSuspect 11-24-2010 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR (Post 1858967)
:bigeek: What??

Open carry is perfectly legal while on foot in Pittsburgh without a LTCF and also perfectly legal in Philadelphia with a valid LTCF (because it's the only City of the First Class in PA). There is no superseding the Uniform Firearms Act... it is the law. The Philadelphia's Police Department, which is made up of barely educated, corrupt thugs who couldn't care less what the law says, have been told numerous times about open carry in Philly being legal with a LTCF... specifically during their 2009 MPOETC training. It's those warped individuals who have completely distorted the law and have some sort of false impression that open carry is illegal and who wrongly arrest/detain/steal openly carried weapons from people who are well within their rights to open carry within the city because they hold a valid LTCF.

Because of recent events, they have been updated yet again, but they have chosen to write it into their "department policy" that officers are to stop, disarm, and check for LTCF if they see someone open carrying. That's against the law, but they will continue to break the law until someone steps in and puts up a legal fight. Fortunately for all of us, whether we choose to open carry or not, that's happening right now.

Basically, after a long winded post, everyone needs to understand that open carry IS legal in both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and there is nothing in case law or otherwise that says anything about it being illegal. If you happen to get hassled by either department or at worst, detained or arrested or have your weapon confiscated, well then you might just end up with a good chuck of money for your troubles.

ETA: I didn't see your other post.. I thought you were saying don't OC in either city at all. I see that you understand that LTCF is required to OC in Philly, but it is not required in Pittsburgh unless you hop in a car.

ill never understand you open-carry nutjobs. why would you go through all that hassel just so you can proove how big your dick is?

3rdGenMr2Girl 11-24-2010 12:14 PM

it took me two weeks to get mine

rodder 11-24-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePrimerSuspect (Post 1859191)
ill never understand you open-carry nutjobs. why would you go through all that hassel just so you can proove how big your dick is?

first of all, nice spelling. :roll:

second of all, when a woman OCs, is she also doing it to prove how big her dick is?

The small penis gun carrier argument is really old and played out at this point anyway. You need to get with the program and start belittling gun carriers for things like the florida "loop hole" and the castle doctrine.

Better luck next time.

rodder 11-24-2010 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutToWinPAHC (Post 1858921)
I said don't open carry in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh county without a LTCF. It is legal in every county but those two without a permit. The are considered cities of first class, and require permit.

And I live in Bucks County.

I see this has been corrected already, but please don't post information that you haven't personally verified as fact.

A city of the first class (over 1 million residents) is the only place in PA that requires a LTCF for open carry. Philadelphia is the only city of the first class in PA. Pittsburg isn't even close.

rodder 11-24-2010 12:50 PM

Also, don't let anyone tell you that a LTCF is only for concealed carry. It is simply a "License to Carry Firearms".

DC2.2GSR 11-24-2010 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodder (Post 1859221)
first of all, nice spelling. :roll:

second of all, when a woman OCs, is she also doing it to prove how big her dick is?

The small penis gun carrier argument is really old and played out at this point anyway. You need to get with the program and start belittling gun carriers for things like the florida "loop hole" and the castle doctrine.

Better luck next time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodder (Post 1859227)
I see this has been corrected already, but please don't post information that you haven't personally verified as fact.

A city of the first class (over 1 million residents) is the only place in PA that requires a LTCF for open carry. Philadelphia is the only city of the first class in PA. Pittsburg isn't even close.


Quote:

Originally Posted by rodder (Post 1859230)
Also, don't let anyone tell you that a LTCF is only for concealed carry. It is simply a "License to Carry Firearms".

^^^What he said.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePrimerSuspect (Post 1859191)
ill never understand you open-carry nutjobs. why would you go through all that hassel just so you can proove how big your dick is?

You obviously haven't seen/heard me describe what I really think of open carrying. Personally, although I do OC on occasion, I don't really enjoy carrying that way and I think that a lot of people who do, do so for the wrong reasons. However, if you fight for the rights of one, you must fight for the rights of everyone. It's not about what you or I think of OC, it's about the fact that it's legal and those who are in city-paid positions who are trying to carry out their own interpretation of the law are in fact breaking the law... they are the criminals, not the people who choose to carry openly. If for no other reason, that alone makes defending open carriers' rights worthwhile.

As for your specific insult, I can look at your car and ask why you need to go through all the hassle of upgrading it just so you can 'prove how big your dick is'. Why swap motors? Why lower the car? Why put a loud ass exhaust on the car? Why are the hot rodders fighting against emissions law changes so that they can keep driving their obnoxiously loud/fast cars legally? Must be to prove how big your dick is... it can't possibly be because it's something you love and feel strongly about. The difference? Carrying a firearm is a Constitutionally protected right and driving a car is just a privilege. Next time you feel like throwing out an insult, how about you use your head and at least attempt to think about the reason someone does something. It's not always to prove something to someone. Sometimes 'just because' is enough.

Scapegoat 11-24-2010 03:31 PM

well, glad i live in bucks county now... should i just go to d-town? or will any court house in bucks county do? ie: the place i went to fight my traffic ticket?

DC2.2GSR 11-24-2010 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scapegoat (Post 1859371)
well, glad i live in bucks county now... should i just go to d-town? or will any court house in bucks county do? ie: the place i went to fight my traffic ticket?

http://www.buckscounty.org/governmen...onsPermit.aspx

Just ignore the lack of proper terms on that page and completely disregard any and all bulls*** paperwork they hand you while you're there. A good number of counties hand out almost anti-gun propaganda with your LTCF that states some ridiculous 'rules' and guidelines for carrying in PA. Ask here or research on PAFOA for the actual laws.

Scapegoat 11-24-2010 03:44 PM

sweet thanks. i need to update my driver's license asap... still says hershey... they hasn't been true in years

cavillac95 11-24-2010 04:31 PM

Lawrence county ------> 15 min tops

ThePrimerSuspect 11-24-2010 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodder (Post 1859221)
first of all, nice spelling. :roll:

second of all, when a woman OCs, is she also doing it to prove how big her dick is?

The small penis gun carrier argument is really old and played out at this point anyway. You need to get with the program and start belittling gun carriers for things like the florida "loop hole" and the castle doctrine.

Better luck next time.

Oh cool. Attack me for the one word I misspelled. You must be real happy with your life. And no, I've never seen a civilian woman open carry. So I can't answer that. But what I was trying to say (I'll spell it out for you since it probably applies to you) is that people who oc almost always have something to prove. Believe me I didn't come in here to start an arguement. For the most part, I agree with you. The more guns in the hands of qualified responsible law-abiding citizens the better. I just don't see the point in showing it off to complete strangers. Especially in philly, where you know its gonna be a problem. To prove a point to the police? I know the last thing I want people to know is thatg I'm armed.

ThePrimerSuspect 11-24-2010 05:45 PM

In order to stay on topic, it took me 2 months in Philly.

PAFirefighter11 12-01-2010 12:23 PM

Took me about 1 week in Chester County.

PAFirefighter11 12-01-2010 12:27 PM

Oh, and go join PAFOA.org if it hasn't been said already.


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