what engine should i swap into my del sol

[ciz6]

ok so heres the deal. i hit a deer with my other car and bought this 93 honda del sol s. it looks sick but its the del sol s trim and has absolutely no power. i wanna swap the engine but it runs great and only has 78k on it. idk if i should swap or wait and swap later when theres more miles or what. the power of this tiny engine is a problem i feel like im not getting anywhere in it. tell me what you think

[telopyros]

Your options are endless.

you have a d15, you can make a small upgrade to aD16Z6 which is what came in the SI sol. other choices.

b18B
ls/vtec
b16 a or b
b20 or b20vtec
h22/23

[DPancoast]

whats the S2000 motor.... boosted, rwd... mmmm

[ricky2i5]

if you aren't on a budget, id do either a h22a or a k20/24

like mentioned before, the possibilities are endless

[Keeper1343]

dont do a h22 unless all u do is drive straight

[phate1229]

ej257 and sti six speed....

[telopyros]

s2000 is the F20C or the he 2.2 i Think. I like the EJ idea....

[i_ride_fieroGT]

H22 hands down. Buddy of mine did one in a del sol he got for $600 and it raped anything it went aganst at the track.

[JDMTyler3326]

I wouldn't do H22. Like Keeper said if your gonna go straigh the whole time do it! But I would do a B18c5 or something.

[supraghost]

just throw a small turbo setup on the motor you have now

[jpalamar]

Just buy a car that doesn't need a 'swap'. You have low miles, don't mess all that up. Find a beat one and build it up.

[Evil M]

put a s2k motor in it.

[Scapegoat]

stop ****ing around with those kiddy engines...

put a 502 in it

[Vr-4-Life]

Turbo your crappy non-vtec....

I have a JDM D16A with a T3 turbo in my Del Sol S... Needless to say the car moves... I only wish I had LSD and better tires.

[OutToWinPAHC]

F20C, RSX 6 speed, Done

[scottsworld77]

go with a turbo setup you already have a a good low miles engine.boost the crap out of it and if it blows later replace it with a sohc vtec and all your parts will still fit.those motors a really cheap to

[crazysaywhat]

if you want it to be real sick build a k24 bottom end, build a k20 top end get a 6speed from a rsx and a huge turbo setup...

[Johara2320]

2jz...

[c4m]

Do your research possibilities are endless. People have even done an h22 in the rear of a del sol. It completely depends on your funds and your fabricating skills. Pick whatever motor suits your power needs and budget.

[TunedIS300]

k series FTW

[nuzzlenut]

4G63 been done?

[215ek]

budget?

[turboman808]

Well I did my civic ass backwards and build the sohc to handle boost. What is that a D16? I blew the first motor and build the second one. Very cheap to do.

I have heard the K series are pretty sweet. If I was to build anything honda again that would be my engine of choice. Heard you can get some real nice power out of those and still go NA.

[Sberk06]

yeah it all depends on your budget. ls/vtec completely built is any awesome base for a turbo setup in the future.

[92sileighty]

stop ****ing around with those kiddy engines...

put a 502 in it

this.

[SloBalt]

k20a aka rsx type-s motor. friend had a del sol with the type-s motor in it thing was quick little fun car. you could run 13's right out of that setup with just doing a stock type-s motor in that car. not to mention even if the car has no power the del-sol is still a hell of a car to drive and so much fun

[Sberk06]

agreed that a k20a is an awsome swap.. the ls/vtec is just alottt easier... it all depends what you wanna do.

[86fiveoh]

man back when I had my 88 civic hatch, all i ever dreamed about getting was a B16. times have really changed lol

[420sx]

4G63 been done?

Im sure it has, but wouldnt that defeat the purpose of buying a Honda?

Like some others mentioned, I'd boost the motor thats in it. Then when it goes, any other D-series is a direct bolt in.

Not to mention D-series motors are a dime a dozen. You could blow up 6 of em for the cost of a K20 swap.

[Sberk06]

man back when I had my 88 civic hatch, all i ever dreamed about getting was a B16. times have really changed lol

haha yeah i agree. i had a crx about 5 years ago. i always wanted to b16 it. now people frown upon b16s. not to mention now that i'm in japan, the b16's are stock in most crx's here

[Elliott18t]

vr6 :P

[sleeper15]

you do have a lot of options for a swap:

if you go d-series, boost is a must

if you go b-series, avoid the b16. yes, it sound so awesome, small motor, nice hp/liter ratio. but, the power band does blow chunks, and very little torque. if you go b18a or b18b, great motor for boost, or even just simple bolts ons, if this is your first honda motor swap. b18c1, b18c5, or any b18c motor with vtec is great as well. i have a 92 civic hatch with a b18c1 gsr motor, and i love it

k series is always cool as well, simple bolts on make a huge differnce with that motor. but, they still tend to be pricey swap wise, more so then b and d series.

i'd avoid doing a s2k motor swap, alot of time and money needed for that, and a little more fabracation then the other motors.

those are just my opinions.

[telopyros]

Just to reiterate:

Any d-series is DROP-in, literally. There are a TON of turbo d-series running around now. Most can prodce decent numbers(200-250whp) on fairly cheap set-up's. And as someone stated there CHEAP to build and to buy. d-series.org, or homemadeturbo.com alot of info on there. Most people don't spend more then 2500$ for everything on a half decent set-up that is MORE then streetable.

B-series you will need a new trans, and ECU and mounts. among small stuff. Once you swap in a b-series you can interchange it with ANY other b-series for a vast amount of possibilities for N/A or FI set-up's.

The h22 is a good motor and finding on the cheap can be troublesome sometimes. Yes the motor is ALOT heavier versus the others, but even in the honda world "there is no replacement for displacement". The weight can be addressed by proper suspension set-up which MANY have done and still track the car with no issues. The h23block/h22 head is a common set-up and yields good numbers. There is also the G23 which is a h-series block with a f-series head(i think or vice versa). There is also a bit of cutting to the firewall to fit the h-series into a EG/EK chassis.

The S2000 motor, do NOT waste your money, fab work and just the cost of the engine alone could yield you a 350whp d-series.

the EJ2057, 502, 4G63, all good engines.......good luck

My new project i want to start is a h23 turbo del sol, roughly 350whpish.


Again GOOD LUCK and good platform choice

[jjm4life]

cummins diesel. do it.

[Proven]

Well I did my civic ass backwards and build the sohc to handle boost. What is that a D16? I blew the first motor and build the second one. Very cheap to do.

I have heard the K series are pretty sweet. If I was to build anything honda again that would be my engine of choice. Heard you can get some real nice power out of those and still go NA.

I couldn't agree with this anymore, and your right about the K series being sweet!! OP, Check out k20a.org (nice mature crowd) for more information about the K series engines in general. One of the most sought after combo's (for me at least :)) is a k24a2 short block w/ k20a2 head. K24's can be had for a fair price and would be a great starting point for your build. Guys with N/A k24/20 set ups are getting anywhere from 190-240 whp (depending on bolt ons and tune). Built, they're getting 280-380whp (depending on the extent of the build/tune, etc). That is saying the k20's are out of the qs. and cant reach those numbers but the k24's will give you higher TQ numbers making it so you don't have to always rev to the moon to feel some power (for daily/road race)..

Also, like mentioned turbo'ing your stock engine shouldn't be out of the qs. along with going with a B or H series swap.

Do your research and know your budget. Honda-tech.com and k20a.org are your friends.

[Honduh]

For all the idiots saying the h22 is so heavy is very wrong, however the trans is large and awkward and uses cable linkage which is the reason why its best to do a h2b set up. It makes the swap easier in many ways. With a short gear ys1 this set up should run with a k20a2 swap.

A lot of people hate on the b16 calling it the torqueless wonder, whatever, I do not. They are cheap, easy to come by, and respond to boost well. I find them a lot more fun than a n/a ls, and you can always upgrade to a larger block later if you want while retaining everything else.

As far has the f20c from the s2k, I would say its over your head and price range if you made this thread in the first place.

As far as the k20, they still cost a good bit, but make great n/a power and sound amazing. Also require a bit more work than a b or d swap.

If this is your first swap ever, keep it simple. I say the best bang for your buck would be a boosted b18b.

[BigWhiteTodd]

north star swap yo.....

[Scapegoat]

cummins diesel. do it.

i like this idea more than my 502 idea!

[Subie_sleeper]

I have the old EJ255 shortblock from my Baja and new STI pistons! A little work at the machine shop to hone the cylinders and a set of heads.. & wiring at Area1320. First ever boosted Subie powered Del Sol? :mrgreen:

[boostjunky]

Saw a red hatch with a 4g63.
That was cool. Lighter than a DSM but that is what CSM's are for. Lol

I agree with Brian. Boosted B18. Simple. That's what the H is about.

[Slick 87]

J30 or J32

Stayin in the honda family, and plently of torqure for that little car.

[JSpecV03]

a simple built ls/vtec is what i would do. a guy at the track last sat was running an eg hatch with a stock ls bottom and a type r head i beleive, and a t3/t4 turbo making 402whp. not to shabby. if you ask me. all motor usally ls vtec i hear can hit 220whp if built right.

[Keeper1343]

For all the idiots saying the h22 is so heavy is very wrong, however the trans is large and awkward and uses cable linkage which is the reason why its best to do a h2b set up. It makes the swap easier in many ways. With a short gear ys1 this set up should run with a k20a2 swap.

A lot of people hate on the b16 calling it the torqueless wonder, whatever, I do not. They are cheap, easy to come by, and respond to boost well. I find them a lot more fun than a n/a ls, and you can always upgrade to a larger block later if you want while retaining everything else.

As far has the f20c from the s2k, I would say its over your head and price range if you made this thread in the first place.

As far as the k20, they still cost a good bit, but make great n/a power and sound amazing. Also require a bit more work than a b or d swap.

If this is your first swap ever, keep it simple. I say the best bang for your buck would be a boosted b18b.


yea.... what do i know about H22's and that swap??? im a idiot. only been dealing with first hand for 4 years straight now.

The guy doesnt seem to have the fundsto swap in exspensive motors then turbo... nor should he turbo his current motor. Id be pissed after spending 3000k to turbo my car and a stock SI beats me... just swap in a Z6 and turbo that. best buy hands down for a low budget

[420sx]

yea.... what do i know about H22's and that swap??? im a idiot. only been dealing with first hand for 4 years straight now.

The guy doesnt seem to have the fundsto swap in exspensive motors then turbo... nor should he turbo his current motor. Id be pissed after spending 3000k to turbo my car and a stock SI beats me... just swap in a Z6 and turbo that. best buy hands down for a low budget

You have a valid point, but everything he'd need to boost the z6 would fit on his current motor. Hed be better off piecing together the kit first, boosting what hes got, and THEN swap in the z6 when his stock motor kicks the bucket.

[JSpecV03]

yea.... what do i know about H22's and that swap??? im a idiot. only been dealing with first hand for 4 years straight now.

The guy doesnt seem to have the fundsto swap in exspensive motors then turbo... nor should he turbo his current motor. Id be pissed after spending 3000k to turbo my car and a stock SI beats me... just swap in a Z6 and turbo that. best buy hands down for a low budget

yeah it has to be.soveitdays (sp?) ek hatch with a boosted z6 engine is making about 325whp. whch again is really good for a single cammer.

[Honduh]

yea.... what do i know about H22's and that swap??? im a idiot. only been dealing with first hand for 4 years straight now.



Ok, so what do you know?

I can tell you that a H series short block weighs 123lbs without balance shafts and 131 with.

A b16 short block weighs 104lbs.

The h22 trans is 96lbs.

A B series trans is 90lbs.

Not much that a c/f hood and relocated battery/dry cell can't take care of.

And I took the time to find the thread I read years ago on honda-tech:

So I am sitting here tonight looking around HT and talking in PM to people about my built H22 I just posted into FI and Prelude... and I come across yet another B VS H arguement... and people start talking about all this weight BS again... the H series I hear rumours of anywhere from 85-125lb heavier then a B swap.

Here are some pics to let everyone with a B loose one of their points. (Not that I am against the B... the B is the ****... but I love the H as well and I have a H and I am tired of the weight argument)

I own a shop, and at the moment we are building several motors. So here I bring you some good ****.

All 3 Blocks are built with stock crank, forged rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves done by benson (H22, D16) and darton (B16). I have a bensen'd B16 here as well but its already made the voyage to the engine stand so its not getting weighed. The only thing that is not fair in these pics is that the D has the oil pan on it... wasnt gonna take it off just for this BS.

H = 123lb short block
B = 104lb short block
D = 100lb short block + oil pan

So with totaly fair comparisons... the H is 19lb heavier in the short block.

NOW lets move on... the big word that I always hear is that its the H TRANS IS SOOOO HEAVY!!! Lets take a little peak here...

H trans = 96lb
B trans = 90lb

OK.. thats 6 lb... so we have a 25lb weight increase so far with the H22.

I will post here within a day or two as I weigh the assembled cylinder heads, as the H head is definatly heavier... but I would guess 10 lb heavier.

As for the rest of the crap... who cares. Intake manifolds are light for any motor and come in different flavors, same with headers and all that BS. Accessories are up to the owner of the car. Everything else hardly applies... flywheels are up to the user, axles, clutch, aluminum or steel oilpans, etc etc all this **** is up to the owner of the car so that crap doesnt need to be part of the comparison.

So what it comes down to is unless that H head is REALLY that much heavier... we are talking about

35 LB INCREASE!! Thats about how much weight off my ass I need to loose so I would be a hypocrite to be hard on the H.

OH YEA... you might want to see this yourself... here you go:

D16 Block:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/SynForumPhotos/D16block.jpg

B16 Block:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/SynForumPhotos/b16block.jpg

H22 Block:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/SynForumPhotos/h22block.jpg

B16 Trans:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/SynForumPhotos/btrans.jpg

H22 Trans:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/SynForumPhotos/htrans.jpg

-Charles

[DPancoast]

yeah it has to be.soveitdays (sp?) ek hatch with a boosted z6 engine is making about 325whp. whch again is really good for a single cammer.

aarons car also has a geared trans

[Keeper1343]

honduh... that is so old. i remember reading that years ago. lol. But first hand having owned a h22 civic, and friends with B16 civics, their rides were much more balanced going through turns. not mention that motor hangs soooo low to the ground. i mangled all my headers.

[Honduh]

Its obviously old, its from 2001 which is why its sad everyone still thinks its so heavy.

With a properly tuned suspension and some weight reduction a h22 should turn fine. That's like saying the weight of a turbo set up kills the handling of a car.

[Keeper1343]

Honduh... I had 4k in suspension. It's not just the weight. It's the position of the engine that hurts the handling. It's not mounted in the best position. Either way the swap is too much for this guy. Turbo Z6 all day

[OutToWinPAHC]

I don't know if its around anymore I sold the car in 2002. But I build the old pink EF hatch with the F20C/RSX 6speed back in 2001. Thing was crazy fast, and even faster when we boosted it, but I was slower from a stop because it never could get traction after that.

The swap was a pita, but it is easier to do now days.

[Streetracer1227]

LS7...done

[JankyS13]

a k20/24

even tho i dislike 95% of the Honda's i see, this is a logical answer.

[Marijauna]

turbo ittt

[JankyS13]

turbo ittt

twice

[The Beaner]

just boost the current one

[Tires2theSky]

boost what u got, you should be able to piece together a nice turbo set-up for pretty cheap spend ur money on other things like suspension, wheels/tires and like said before when ur motor lets loose replace it.

[twilightfoci]

j-series.... it would be a torque monster

[kseriesBABY]

k20 / k24

[lownslow95]

just throw a small turbo setup on the motor you have now

This, assuming you have the single cam motor. I know Vr-4-Life turbo'ed his del sol single cam...and I was impressed. Like he told me, it's like a go-kart. :drag:

[CR4CK]

J-Series. Do it.

[1wiperdude]

If you are looking for a cost effective way of going about getting power, boost is going to be cheaper per dollar to power when it comes down to it. Single cam (y8/z6) turbo would be fun in a del sol cause they are so little. Or I'd do a B-Series swap. Just my two sense. I say this bc there are plenty of parts for them and the swaps have been done. Or if you have a single cam motor, and its non-vtec, you could do a mini-me motor. Depends on what you are truly looking for.

[drpaton2]

b16 would work well with a del sol...

[j24ghost]

i have a vtec d series head if you want i have a bunch of dseries parts if you need anything let me know

[enjoitharex]

/ thread..hes not answering and theres a bit of misinformation here..i only posted so i can get more posts!! Stupid 25 limit.....

[Adrii]

K!!! Forget h22!

[DC2.2GSR]

K!!! Forget h22!

lol. yep, be a true honda fanboy and follow the trends.. that's the way to do it.

[dsf14212]

turbo... or just keep it slow, and make it look cool til it blows up. then swap it.

[DumpdBassetHound]

just do a ls turbo its cheap and moves, my friends hatch made 290 and its a dead stock LS on 12lbs

[BaggedXtreme]

forget that 4 banger bs even on a budget you can get a complete corvette drivetrain ls1 up front and corvette t56 in the back = perfect weight distribution and good reliable power.

[enjoitharex]

forget that 4 banger bs even on a budget you can get a complete corvette drivetrain ls1 up front and corvette t56 in the back = perfect weight distribution and good reliable power.

:screwy:

Yeah not counting
-Rear pumpkin
-Redo Rear supension
-Front Sub frame to accomadate for the engine
-Custom driveshaft
-Hacked up floor boardfor the driveshaft

and thats probably getting half the job done...

So much for the "budget"

[Coupelove]

H2b is something that can be done on a budget cost a little more than a b swap and makes close to the same power as a K

[ciz6]

i forgot all about this post lol. sorry guys. So i kept it stock and the good mpg but in july my d15 died with only 83,xxx miles on it=( im looking to keep it single cam d16z6 and boost it. Mostly just because its cheaper that buying a 1000 to 3000 dollar motor not counting all the other parts i would need for a b18 or k series.