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Vox Populi
10-27-2009, 11:13 AM
http://montgomerynews.com/articles/2009/10/27/springford_reporter_valley_item/doc4ae6de4661f96319531404.txt

WEST POTTSGROVE — A series of crashes on Route 422 Saturday may have been caused by two cars racing on the slick roadway, police said.

West Pottsgrove Police said two vehicles were seen traveling west on Route 422 at a high rate of speed around 9:10 p.m. Saturday just before the initial crash. Neither of the cars seen racing was involved in the resulting crashes and police are still searching for the vehicles.

One of the cars was described as a black Volkswagen Jetta with dull-colored wheels and the second was a silver or gray Nissan 350Z convertible. The convertible's roof was down at the time of the incident, police said. Both cars had loud, aftermarket exhaust systems, police said.

According to police, the accidents occurred as the two vehicles came upon a 2008 Mitsubishi Galant traveling in the lefthand lane of Route 422 west. The Volkswagen and Nissan passed the Mitsubishi, driven by Matthew Marvel, 24, of Pottstown, in the right lane, then cut back in front of Marvel's car, forcing him to brake suddenly, police said. It had stopped raining just before the crash occurred, police said.

The Mitsubishi did not strike the Nissan or Volkswagen, but because Marvel braked hard on the slick road, he lost control of the Mitsubishi, which spun 180 degrees and hit the guardrail, police said. The Mitsubishi slid along the guard rail, rear first, for about 61.5 feet when a back wheel or some other part of the car got caught on the guardrail and caused the car to flip over, front over back, and onto its roof, police said.

The Mitsubishi then slid down Route 422 west for another 298 feet before coming to rest on the righthand shoulder of the highway.

Both Marvel and his passenger, Richard Swymelar, 24, of Schwenskville, suffered minor injuries. They were taken to Phoenixville Hospital and discharged, police said. Marvel suffered a cut on his forehead and bruising to his ribs, police said.

Swymelar suffered from a dislocated or separated shoulder, police said.

After Marvel's car came to rest, a 2000 Buick Park Avenue, driven by Barry Kalbach, 65, of Sinking Spring, came upon the Mitsubishi as it traveled in the righthand lane of Route 422 west. Kalbach swerved to avoid the wreck, police said, but the wet road caused him to lose control of his vehicle. The Buick went off the road and hit a tree on the north side of the highway, police said.

Kalbach suffered minor injuries and had to be taken to Reading Hospital, where he was treated and released, police said.

A 1992 Subaru, driven by Elizabeth Staton, 18, of Reading, and carrying William Rudi, 18, of Boyertown, also came upon the wreckage of the Mitsubishi and swerved off the road after taking evasive action, police said. Neither Staton nor Rudi were injured, police said.

Around the same time, a 1998 Audi, operated by Raymond Abreu, 23, of Reading, was rearended by a 1998 Saturn, operated by Amy Putnam, 20, of Troy, Pa., as they headed west on 422 and came upon the crash, police said.

Neither of the drivers was injured, police said.

The Mitsubishi and Buick had to be towed from the scene, police said. The other three cars were able to be driven from the scene, police said.

Police are still investigating the exact timeline of the last three crashes.

Police had to close the road for two hours while they cleared the scene and investigated the crashes. Traffic was diverted onto Route 100.

None of the drivers involved in the crashes were facing citations, but the investigation is ongoing.

West Pottsgrove police ask anyone who may have been traveling through the area at the time of the crash and who may have seen either the Nissan or Volkswagen to contact them at 610-323-2090.

if you know either one of these two idiots I'd suggest turning them in.

Elliott18t
10-27-2009, 11:15 AM
while they may have been racing sounds like he probably didnt need to brake as hard as he did.


hope they find them.

Scapegoat
10-27-2009, 11:17 AM
while they may have been racing sounds like he probably didnt need to brake as hard as he did.

lets be honest... you weren't there

hopefully those two assholes get nailed... they're lucky no one was seriously hurt. racing is bad enough on a public road... but you factor in having to swerve between lanes to get around people AND wet road conditions... you've got to be a ****ing moron to be doing that ****.

Vox Populi
10-27-2009, 11:19 AM
lets be honest... you weren't there

hopefully those two assholes get nailed... they're lucky no one was seriously hurt. racing is bad enough on a public road... but you factor in having to swerve between lanes to get around people AND wet road conditions... you've got to be a ****ing moron to be doing that ****.

I tend to agree with this line of thought.

Elliott18t
10-27-2009, 11:21 AM
lol i was not there. Agreed, racing on roads is dumb let alone wet roads. ****ing retarded.

240sxDann
10-27-2009, 11:29 AM
Wow I really wish I HAD seen this so I could turn them in. That is just...well it's already been stated, completely retarded and idiotic. I hope they both total their cars being dumbasses.

RWDTurbo149
10-27-2009, 11:36 AM
yeah thats retarded, but hard breaking in the rain causing a spin? had to of had bad tires too....

either way, he shouldnt have cut the guy off....i love how the report states they had loud exhausts...great for us...

bmatyeah
10-27-2009, 11:44 AM
422 ****ing sucks ass. it should not be a road, i almost lose control every time i get on because the road serface and the lanes are two different levels. I hate 422 it should die

98GSXdude
10-27-2009, 01:45 PM
My guess is the Z was just cruising along, and the chick in the Jetta was trying to keep up :lol:

Elliott18t
10-27-2009, 01:51 PM
^ :facepalm:

tomustang
10-27-2009, 01:59 PM
I love how whenever there's a crash thread the OP thinks it's a member here. It says a lot....

grumpyjap
10-27-2009, 02:04 PM
Wow...its like drunk drivers you want to see them get hurt, but it's always the other guy

captainhook
10-27-2009, 02:35 PM
I love how whenever there's a crash thread the OP thinks it's a member here. It says a lot....
Yes it most certainly does.

Vox Populi
10-28-2009, 01:40 PM
I love how whenever there's a crash thread the OP thinks it's a member here. It says a lot....

Well..I've been to a few TST meets...and understanding what a healthy percentage of the members here are like...it's not a crazy assumption that the people mentioned in the article have been or are TST members. (OR, that someone here knows them).

I'm certainly not throwing stones, just figured I'd give it a shot. Didn't mean to offend anyone.

total0wnage
10-28-2009, 01:49 PM
this kind of stupid sh*t is whats getting ppl killed.. figured ppl might have learned from that recent evo crash too. shame that this happened.

Proven
10-28-2009, 03:50 PM
lets be honest... you weren't there

hopefully those two assholes get nailed... they're lucky no one was seriously hurt. racing is bad enough on a public road... but you factor in having to swerve between lanes to get around people AND wet road conditions... you've got to be a ****ing moron to be doing that ****.

Let be honest, you weren't there either.

For all's we know a jetta and 350z weren't racing at all. For all's we know dude that crashed knew he completely over reacted to a basic lane change and needed a solid story for the police, his insurance, and the other people involved.

OF COURSE though, If these 2 cars did do what's mentioned in the article they should be punished big time no doubt and they should be grateful no one was hurt.

I do agree you gotta be a fu*king moron to be street racing, weaving in and out of traffic no matter what the road conditions, don't get me wrong.

BigWhiteTodd
10-28-2009, 04:06 PM
oh god here we go again, who knows what those to cars were doing. You see people driving like that all the time on turnpike who knows they might have been racing. good thing no one was hurt.

DPancoast
10-28-2009, 04:17 PM
lol you're driving down the road, 2 cars fly by and one cuts in front of you when you're minding your own business... tell me you wouldn't hit the brakes pretty damn hard and/or jerk the wheel to avoid what you see that split second.

fballman1987
10-28-2009, 04:22 PM
Let be honest, you weren't there either.

For all's we know a jetta and 350z weren't racing at all. For all's we know dude that crashed knew he completely over reacted to a basic lane change and needed a solid story for the police, his insurance, and the other people involved.

OF COURSE though, If these 2 cars did do what's mentioned in the article they should be punished big time no doubt and they should be grateful no one was hurt.

I do agree you gotta be a fu*king moron to be street racing, weaving in and out of traffic no matter what the road conditions, don't get me wrong.

common sense, this guy has it.

EvlEgl
10-28-2009, 04:36 PM
lol you're driving down the road, 2 cars fly by and one cuts in front of you when you're minding your own business... tell me you wouldn't hit the brakes pretty damn hard and/or jerk the wheel to avoid what you see that split second.

With how you worded this...If the guy flew by me and cut me off and continued his rampage down the road then No I probably wouldnt slam on ym brakes and swerve b/c he wouldnt be anywhere near me as he would already be in front of me...

Now...

If your trying to say cut me off then slam on your brakes...Yeah I'd probably hit my brakes..But with how you said it...It doesnt sound like the car cutting you off hits there brakes.

ASIAN JUL
10-28-2009, 04:54 PM
Um, does anyone think, just for a sec, that maybe the guy who cut him off was trying to change lanes and would've hit him had he not tried to brake? No one's ever been cut off to the point where their rear bumper would slam into the side of your car? People have done that to me... really don't see why blame would be placed on the guy in the Galant, hard to believe that someone would randomly slam on their brakes for no reason.

Cardriverx
10-28-2009, 05:00 PM
This is exactly my thinking, hell ive had people cut me off, it doesent mean I slam the brakes and cause myself to spin out. Hell, its hard to spin just by stabbing the brakes, wet or not.


Let be honest, you weren't there either.

For all's we know a jetta and 350z weren't racing at all. For all's we know dude that crashed knew he completely over reacted to a basic lane change and needed a solid story for the police, his insurance, and the other people involved.

OF COURSE though, If these 2 cars did do what's mentioned in the article they should be punished big time no doubt and they should be grateful no one was hurt.

I do agree you gotta be a fu*king moron to be street racing, weaving in and out of traffic no matter what the road conditions, don't get me wrong.

zuki19
10-28-2009, 06:10 PM
not far from 222 from which i travel everyday, those kids are focking stupid, it was raining and i cant even image going excessive speeds because i have a hard time merging on without spinning as soon as car touches 3 g's it spins in the rain

ATTI2D
10-28-2009, 06:35 PM
I bet the dude they "cutoff" was going 45 in the left hand lane.


http://montgomerynews.com/articles/2009/10/27/springford_reporter_valley_item/doc4ae6de4661f96319531404.txt

if you know either one of these two idiots I'd suggest turning them in.

You a cop?

05GT
10-28-2009, 07:13 PM
Oranges.......

Roto
10-28-2009, 08:15 PM
I bet the dude they "cutoff" was going 45 in the left hand lane.


Doubtful... kinda hard to flip a galant the way it's described while going only 45... unless it was hitting a curb sideways.

Vox Populi
10-30-2009, 11:26 AM
I bet the dude they "cutoff" was going 45 in the left hand lane.




You a cop?

does it matter?

Elliott18t
10-30-2009, 11:31 AM
Um, does anyone think, just for a sec, that maybe the guy who cut him off was trying to change lanes and would've hit him had he not tried to brake? No one's ever been cut off to the point where their rear bumper would slam into the side of your car? People have done that to me... really don't see why blame would be placed on the guy in the Galant, hard to believe that someone would randomly slam on their brakes for no reason.

you'd be suprised....

92sileighty
10-30-2009, 01:14 PM
you'd be suprised....

this

it sounds like the ass hats trying to race is the most believable story, but there's all kinds of crazy stuff that can happen. the dude had to of over reacted quite a bit. maybe he wasn't really paying attention to the road and his mind thought they were braking in front of him, or whatever. but there definitely is some unnecessary heavy petal slammage going on here. all in all it's over and nothing can change what happened. i'm glad everyone is ok and i hope they catch the alleged rejects.

i love the whole exhaust spin. like it's the devil and makes all cars evil. OH NOES THEY HAD EXHAUSTS GET THEM.... i bet the Z didn't even have an aftermarket exhaust.

SheaButter
10-30-2009, 02:46 PM
If they had loud after market exhausts from what the driver of the mitsu should have seen them coming or atleast heard them. Therefore if you see two cars speeding towards you and you kno you are gonna get passed then the driver should have been prepared for something to happen weather being cut off or not. He completely over reacted in this situation. I just have a hard time believing the galants drivers story. Just doesnt seem right, did he really have to throw in there that they had loud after market exhausts. I would like to hear from the other drivers if they where passed by the two so called racing cars, and if they where non of them seemed to flip. Just BS in my eyes.

JST2KWIK
10-30-2009, 03:27 PM
the brakes on the galant probably couldn't handle the blinged out mamma jammas he was skatin' on! No matter who caused the accident, there was incompetence present wether it be the "racer" changing lanes without enough room or the galant driver distracted by the reflection of his shiny rims on the wet roadway braking too much.

Unfortunately, American drivers are INCOMPETENT in 8 out of 10 cases or maybe even 9 at this point. Instead of pointing fingers at either driver the finger should be pointed at Uncle Sam for letting idiots behind the wheel in the first place. /rant.

Vox Populi
10-30-2009, 08:51 PM
the brakes on the galant probably couldn't handle the blinged out mamma jammas he was skatin' on! No matter who caused the accident, there was incompetence present wether it be the "racer" changing lanes without enough room or the galant driver distracted by the reflection of his shiny rims on the wet roadway braking too much.

Unfortunately, american drivers are incompetent in 8 out of 10 cases or maybe even 9 at this point. Instead of pointing fingers at either driver the finger should be pointed at uncle sam for letting idiots behind the wheel in the first place. /rant.

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