I Really hate Subaru right now, this is unacceptable

[ndubz]

all I have to say is: Automatic STi.......not a CVT, not dual clutch jobby, a ****ing 5 speed slushbox.

http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Subaru/2009/Impreza_WRX_STI_Carbon/5.jpg
http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Subaru/2009/Impreza_WRX_STI_Carbon/3.jpg


Ok most of u know how i feel about the wagon sti. thats not what this is about entirely. They have just made it 1000x ****ing worse. not only is it a Fugly, fat station wagon, but now its a ****ing automatic. Not even a modern awesome auto like mitsu uses, no. They used a conventional 5 speed piece of ****ing ****. I cannot express my hatred for whoever is running their operation right now. I hope they all DIAF

ok this argument has developed much since it started. I'm adding this because I know most ppl only read the first post.

Many of u are arguing that a market for this car lies with people who "don't give a ****" about performance driving and whatnot. Well here is my answer to that....

People "who don't give a ****" are not going to pay $40,000 fillers for a car in the same size class as a civic or carolla, that has ****ty ride quality, few amanities and all sorts of peformance features like dccd that they will never care to use. Those people would rather buy a base BMW 3 series or Audi or Acura TL or some other nicer normal car. The only people who want an sti are performance enthusiasts. And they won't buy it with the slushbox cuz it costs more and takes away from the performance they want. There is NO MARKET for an automatic sti unless the auto tranny boosts performance in se way as the evos does. Therefore there is no market for the car in question. That makes it a terrible business decision and they will lose money.

Simple facts.

[TROLL]

Did they take away the 6 speed? No.
Chill out, you are entirely too overopinionated.

Interesting to see though, doesn't affect me one bit. That suede dash is pretty sexy however.

[Got Insulin?]

Calm down. Firstly, that is still a good-looking car. All Subaru is doing is trying to expand their market share to people that can't or don't want to drive a MT, and to people who are looking for a car with a little more pep, but don't want or need the MT. Plus, Autos don't loose boost between shifts, so technically, if set-up correctly, they can be quite a bit faster than MTs with similar mods.

[Vr-4-Life]

Who cares? it opens the car up to people who don't want a stick. besides an automatic would be better for a driver like you anyway.

[ndubz]

Its the principle of it. it just is the essence of the new generation bull****.

The sti has been taken from hardcore road rally car badass status down to soccer mom family station wagon status. the wagon was the first step down to compromising the name they had. this just makes it official. The wagon had grown on me actually, so long as the taillights were red. but this just is the last straw. That car is NOT an sti. it just isnt, theres nothing hardcore or awesome about it. and Are they even still officially in WRC at all? cuz last i heard they pulled out all their factory teams. hmmmm goes to show why they began to suck so badly.

[TROLL]

I'll take that silver concept-looking thing in the back. Wazzat?

And its funny, cause there are plenty of GC owners out there who say that YOUR STi is a watered down boat and that it isnt a true STi.

[ndubz]

Calm down. Firstly, that is still a good-looking car. All Subaru is doing is trying to expand their market share to people that can't or don't want to drive a MT, and to people who are looking for a car with a little more pep, but don't want or need the MT. Plus, Autos don't loose boost between shifts, so technically, if set-up correctly, they can be quite a bit faster than MTs with similar mods.

In doing that, they have shattered what the sti is about. done and done its gone. its supposed to be the no compromise car. Appealing to the masses is what the wrx is for. Stis are for serious enthusiasts who want to really drive the car. this goes against the sti market completely. to the point where I can honestly say I would get the evo X hands down. without even considering the sti wagon at all. Mitsu has improved things alot. Subaru has just fallen further and further. its pathetic

[BustedUjoint]

umm. . The STi A-Line was announced back in Feb for Japan. I haven't heard any news of it making it to the states though. Calm down speedy. Japan also get the Spec C as well, which is a more "badass" STi. They get all of the fun toys.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/109022417323/subaru-impreza-wrx-sti-a-line-announced

[Kir Diesel]

I mean it would be ok to offer it as an automatic if it will get them some extra sales.

But overall i agree with you Ndubs m VERY disappointed with what Subaru has been offering since the demise of the GD. They definately didnt create any brand loyalty with me.

Mitsu IMO just offers more for the same money.

[Vr-4-Life]

Why cant you understand that the production STI's for sale arent the same cars as in the wrc? any professional wont take a stock STI off the lot and take it out racing.

True drivers build their cars... the platform is still a good platform.. who cares if it comes in an optional automatic... does that make the car less racier?

[ndubz]

I'll take that silver concept-looking thing in the back. Wazzat?

And its funny, cause there are plenty of GC owners out there who say that YOUR STi is a watered down boat and that it isnt a true STi.

Im well aware of that. And in may ways theyre right if u compare mine to say a 22B. But the 04 is the most hardcore of the GD stis (that came to the US). and now take that and compare any GD or GC sti to this "carbon" Sti. look how they are just ****ing up sooooo badly. the sti has lost its good name. those three letters used to mean something in the automotive world. but that name is getting **** on.

I realize this doesnt affect my car at all. Im talking about subaru and their staff of retards. Ive always loved subaru cuz they knew their market but this is just ****ing it up royally.

[TROLL]

GC > Bugeye > Peanut > Hawk > a few other meh cars > Hatch

Its all relative I guess, haha.

[Got Insulin?]

Im well aware of that. And in may ways theyre right if u compare mine to say a 22B. But the 04 is the most hardcore of the GD stis (that came to the US). and now take that and compare any GD or GC sti to this "carbon" Sti. look how they are just ****ing up sooooo badly. the sti has lost its good name. those three letters used to mean something in the automotive world. but that name is getting **** on.

I realize this doesnt affect my car at all. Im talking about subaru and their staff of retards. Ive always loved subaru cuz they knew their market but this is just ****ing it up royally.

Your blather numbs my mind, man. Subaru cares about making money, staying in buisness, selling cars, oh, and making money. They will do whatever it takes to sell more units, your tirades or not. If you were really, really, really angry with them, you'd dump your own Sti in protest, continue to boycott them for the forseeable future, and go buy a Toyota Tercel. Or, take a marketing class and realize this affects you not at all, and that your "outrage" is as much a joke as any argument you could make against STi's being made in auto.

[ndubz]

I mean it would be ok to offer it as an automatic if it will get them some extra sales.

But overall i agree with you Ndubs m VERY disappointed with what Subaru has been offering since the demise of the GD. They definately didnt create any brand loyalty with me.

Mitsu IMO just offers more for the same money.

I know right, my friend just got the ralliart. Its amazing. sooo much better than any previous lancer of any type with regard to build quality and amenities that are useful.......O and guess what....its got a TWIN CLUTCH TRANNY not some ****ing slushbox

and rich, im well aware that WRC cars are purpose built race cars. But, that doesnt change the sti's market place. as The hardcore "rally car" for the street. and like u said most people who buy stis build them up with aftermarket stuff.....so who among that group of modders prefers a slushbox........NOBODY. so in both ways im correct in saying that they are retarded and have lost touch with their market. (unless they want to sell stis to lesbian couples cuz thats the only people who would ****ing buy this ugly ass piece of ****)

[ndubz]

GC > Bugeye > Peanut > Hawk > a few other meh cars > Hatch

Its all relative I guess, haha.

Bugeye and peanut are both GD chassis. I know u know that Troll c'mon lol


and it sucks that we never got the bugeye sti here. I saw a few in europe, they are mad awesome. I <3 my peanut tho

[Scapegoat]

i'm not quite sure why you're upset. for your type of driving an automatic would work just fine.

[kcnizm0]

is this the carbon sti? suppose to have a cf roof or something? i read about this on the lgt forums.

[ndubz]

Your blather numbs my mind, man. Subaru cares about making money, staying in buisness, selling cars, oh, and making money. They will do whatever it takes to sell more units, your tirades or not. If you were really, really, really angry with them, you'd dump your own Sti in protest, continue to boycott them for the forseeable future, and go buy a Toyota Tercel. Or, take a marketing class and realize this affects you not at all, and that your "outrage" is as much a joke as any argument you could make against STi's being made in auto.

Not really dude. I dont think there really is enough of a market for an auto sti to produce them. cuz the sti is an enthusiast car. Also, if they keep making the sti more mundane then all sti customers will buy other cars instead of a new sti. Then subaru really doesnt make money.

And i wouldnt dump my sti cuz its from a time when subaru was still in its greatness. 07 is when they decided to cluster**** themselves.

[Vr-4-Life]

Hard core rally car for the street.

Nick... Its a production car... Take it to crawford performance if you want a hard core STI.

you act like every STI is going to have an auto trans... why cry about it being offered? This is just as bad as you "petition for a manual GTR" thread.

you know the supra's came with an 5 speed auto... many people perfer it and there are plenty of fast auto supras.

[BustedUjoint]

Im well aware of that. And in may ways theyre right if u compare mine to say a 22B. But the 04 is the most hardcore of the GD stis (that came to the US). and now take that and compare any GD or GC sti to this "carbon" Sti. look how they are just ****ing up sooooo badly. the sti has lost its good name. those three letters used to mean something in the automotive world. but that name is getting **** on.

I realize this doesnt affect my car at all. Im talking about subaru and their staff of retards. Ive always loved subaru cuz they knew their market but this is just ****ing it up royally.

So, you are saying that because YOU don't like the new STi, Subaru is ****ing up? I personally really like the new body style, and have driven a few of them. I liked them so much, that I was going to get one. Until, this little antichrist in my wife's stomach started growing. From my understanding, they SWITCHED to the hatch because it was more useful IN the WRC. Now, why the decided to pull out of it is beyond me. But, stop. . take a breathe. . and realize that there are a lot of people out there that actually like and enjoy the new STi, whether that be auto or manual. Who gives a ****? We aren't in the "Super Car" class. And Subaru is obviously doing something right seeing as how they are/have been one of the top foreign car companies throughout this economic disaster to actually pull in profit (of course I can not find the chart that I saw this one previously).

Where did you see this info for your original post anyways? Was it the STi A Line? because like I said. this is actually old news, and if memory serves me correctly, it has less HP then the manual as well.

PS. . ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?! THERE IS AN OPTION TO PUT A ROOF RACK ON! THIS IS BULL****!! IM GOING TO GO SET MY WAGON ON FIRE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT SOMEWHAT RESEMBLES THE NEW STI WITH AN OPTIONAL ROOF RACK. . . . .BULL****!!!!!!!!! :D

[turboman808]

Until you drive the car I wouldn't comment on it.

Drove the Lamborghini glalardo and F360 with paddle shifts many years ago and have driven these cars a few times since. The Gallardo is a bit better but both shift very harsh. They are manual boxes that the electronics shift for you. It drops the clutch on the 360 like you are on the race track all the time. They are terrible IMO

Then a few years back I test drove an Audi TT with automatic paddle shift. I thought the car was pretty dam good. It shifted pretty fast.

Then this summer I drove the new Jaguar XKR and XFR at the race track. Both are flappy paddle automatics. These cars were perfect. Just amazing transmissions matted to a 500+ hp motor. You had a beast and oyu had a dialy driver in one car. All down to the best transmission I have ever seen.

I walked away that day this summer concluding that manual transmissions days are numbered. They are just that good.


I don't how this new Subaru is gonna be. I would say drive it first before you decide it's a bad idea.



I know alot of guys will say "Real men don't need autos or traction control". Well those guys probably haven't driven a 600 hp monster in the street and scared to have fun in it even for a moment because they know it can get away from you. Then you can only enjoy your car on the race track.

Until you have tried this stuff don't knock it.

[ndubz]

So, you are saying that because YOU don't like the new STi, Subaru is ****ing up? I personally really like the new body style, and have driven a few of them. I liked them so much, that I was going to get one. Until, this little antichrist in my wife's stomach started growing. From my understanding, they SWITCHED to the hatch because it was more useful IN the WRC. Now, why the decided to pull out of it is beyond me. But, stop. . take a breathe. . and realize that there are a lot of people out there that actually like and enjoy the new STi, whether that be auto or manual. Who gives a ****? We aren't in the "Super Car" class. And Subaru is obviously doing something right seeing as how they are/have been one of the top foreign car companies throughout this economic disaster to actually pull in profit (of course I can not find the chart that I saw this one previously).

Where did you see this info for your original post anyways? Was it the STi A Line? because like I said. this is actually old news, and if memory serves me correctly, it has less HP then the manual as well.

PS. . ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?! THERE IS AN OPTION TO PUT A ROOF RACK ON! THIS IS BULL****!! IM GOING TO GO SET MY WAGON ON FIRE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT SOMEWHAT RESEMBLES THE NEW STI WITH AN OPTIONAL ROOF RACK. . . . .BULL****!!!!!!!!! :D

Its more of a marketing thing here. You build ur product on brand name. that brand name must stand for something. STi has always stood for the hardcore "rally" cars that you can buy at a dealer and drive on the street. When I say "rally car" i mean as an image thing, not as a function thing, obviously they require 100k or so in mods to really go on a rally.

now Band names appeal to certain people (ie ur market) now the stis market is all enthusiasts who want the full on driving experience. they want something much more hardcore than a normal car. Now subaru is turning the sti into one of those "normal" cars and thus alienating the market. they will lose sales. (i know they arent making it exclusively auto, but this is the essence of how they have made the sti more mundane a car over the last few years) The wrx is supposed to be the car people buy who need to make some compromises for practicality sake. but now the sti makes more compromises that the wrx does......hmmmmm. The wrx only comes in manual, now the sti doesnt. marketing wise they are ****ed up bigtime.

I know many people like the new sti and the wagon thing, like i said before it had begun to grow on me (so long as the taillights were de-ricified)

[MuddyREX]

Ok most of u know how i feel about the wagon sti. not only is it a Fugly, fat station wagon

For the last ****ing time, it's a hatchback. Not a god damn wagon.

[ndubz]

Until you drive the car I wouldn't comment on it.

Drove the Lamborghini glalardo and F360 with paddle shifts many years ago and have driven these cars a few times since. The Gallardo is a bit better but both shift very harsh. They are manual boxes that the electronics shift for you. It drops the clutch on the 360 like you are on the race track all the time. They are terrible IMO

Then a few years back I test drove an Audi TT with automatic paddle shift. I thought the car was pretty dam good. It shifted pretty fast.

Then this summer I drove the new Jaguar XKR and XFR at the race track. Both are flappy paddle automatics. These cars were perfect. Just amazing transmissions matted to a 500+ hp motor. You had a beast and oyu had a dialy driver in one car. All down to the best transmission I have ever seen.

I walked away that day this summer concluding that manual transmissions days are numbered. They are just that good.


I don't how this new Subaru is gonna be. I would say drive it first before you decide it's a bad idea.



I know alot of guys will say "Real men don't need autos or traction control". Well those guys probably haven't driven a 600 hp monster in the street and scared to have fun in it even for a moment because they know it can get away from you. Then you can only enjoy your car on the race track.

Until you have tried this stuff don't knock it.

Im not entirely against the sti with no clutch pedal, I knew it would happen sometime. But its the fact that they put in a conventional slushbox. not with the times.....not with their market competitors. They needed a twin clutch tranny like in the evo, or a CVT like in the ISF. conventional autos days are numbered far before the conventional manual's are. that is stone age technology. and from a marketing point of view is utterly retarded given that they are etering the market knowing they have an inferior product to their main competitor.

I know all the hubub about the early paddleshift ferraris and whatnot. they had their issues then. but that technology has been mastered, refined, and brought down market. theres no excuse for a performance car of any sort to have a convientional, wasteful and inefficient slushbox

[boostjunky]

It is a wagon, or 5 door hatch. Whatever you prefer.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/station+wagon
That is why so many companies call them other things. Like Sportcross or Sportback or Estate or Avant.

Wagons rock. Anyways. The EVO VII GT-A was a semi slush.
All 2 of the WRC class cars are hatches. Idk what the problem is here. You seem to be very angry in many a posts. Don't give yourself a stroke over the little stuff.

Long live the D pillar.

[ndubz]

For the last ****ing time, it's a hatchback. Not a god damn wagon.

nope, that argument had some value before. but now that any idiot who can press a pedal can take the kids to soccer practice in it, It is now OFFICIALLY a "station wagon". they may as well make a woody edition to go with the carbon edition.

Selling a performance car only in manual is not just a feature, but also a sort of safeguard. cuz in order to drive the car, u need to know how to drive stick, which shows a commitment to the driving experience and that u take operating a motor vehicle more seriously than the average idiot. (at least these days this is true)

but now any ditzy highschool chick can drive a 300hp 3500lb car while talking on her cellphone, doing her makeup, and yanking the college guy in the passenger seat......all at the same time. Isnt that a great ****ing idea!!!!!!!!!!!

dont even get me started on the angry soccer moms on a mission to get their kids to practice. the whole " these kids are gonna get to practice on time, even if i have to hit everyone i pass on the way there attitude". thats dangerous in any car, but now those bitches can go over 150mph.....holy ****ing ****. if u aint scared u should be.

[ndubz]

It is a wagon, or 5 door hatch. Whatever you prefer.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/station+wagon
That is why so many companies call them other things. Like Sportcross or Sportback or Estate or Avant.

Wagons rock. Anyways. The EVO VII GT-A was a semi slush.
All 2 of the WRC class cars are hatches. Idk what the problem is here. You seem to be very angry in many a posts. Don't give yourself a stroke over the little stuff.

Long live the D pillar.

Ive already ranted on the wagon thing over a year ago. this thread is about the damn slushbox.

[ndubz]

and make no mistake guys. this may be a limited edition now. but that is just how they are introducing the auto trans for the sti. it will be an option for all of them by 2011 for sure.

[The Captain]

Smart move by them if you ask me. Just appealing to another market. Nothing wrong with wanting to make more money.

[MuddyREX]

dont even get me started on the angry soccer moms on a mission to get their kids to practice. the whole " these kids are gonna get to practice on time, even if i have to hit everyone i pass on the way there attitude". thats dangerous in any car, but now those bitches can go over 150mph.....holy ****ing ****. if u aint scared u should be.

You really make me lol with the idiocy of some of your comments.

[BustedUjoint]

why dont you post a link like i asked you to further up. And just because its auto, doesn't mean that anyone is going to buy it. A soccer mom is not going to buy an STi because its a 5 door. The suspension is still too stiff, the seats are not "comfy" and it doesn't have the extra's that people outside of the group looking for an STi would want to have. Also, I would be highly surprised if this actually makes it to the US. And, because there is not a LINK, I can not get the full details on what the hell this thing is.

[ndubz]

You really make me lol with the idiocy of some of your comments.

just tell me that when one of them bitches runs u off the road.



look i know im getting excessive here. But is this argument really so hard to see? and if so why?

[jspek]

seriously? shut the **** up.

[ndubz]

why dont you post a link like i asked you to further up. And just because its auto, doesn't mean that anyone is going to buy it. A soccer mom is not going to buy an STi because its a 5 door. The suspension is still too stiff, the seats are not "comfy" and it doesn't have the extra's that people outside of the group looking for an STi would want to have. Also, I would be highly surprised if this actually makes it to the US. And, because there is not a LINK, I can not get the full details on what the hell this thing is.

the link to the site i found it on is in my first post. I checked jalopnik briefly...nothing

and those were excessive and extreme examples. i know :mrgreen:

[bl@ckvr4]

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but I definitely see paddle shifters in that picture. What makes you think it's not a dual clutch like the Evo X?

[ndubz]

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but I definitely see paddle shifters in that picture. What makes you think it's not a dual clutch like the Evo X?

its not, ive looked at the details. its a 5speed slushbox.

if it were a dual clutch like the Evo, there would be no thread here. look through the thread. u'll lol at my stupid rants :thumbup:

[mcperson2k]

I love the wagons, and I think that looks awesome.. I would drive it anyday.

[BustedUjoint]

the link to the site i found it on is in my first post.

iiiiii don't see it. . . am I retarded, blind or both? Can you REpost the link then?

[jjm4life]

again ndubz strikes with his worthless opinion.

selling more cars allows them to stay business and build the more sport focused cars.

porsche sells Cayennes so that they can build 911.

and ndubz- last i saw your wheels dont match. therefore your opinion will continue to mean dick. \

[BustedUjoint]

nevermind, i just followed the link from the pictures. In any event, after a little reading this is just a "special" edition STi A-Line. . .AKA, only offered in Japan. AKA, they have 80934 different types of STi's. AKA, this thread is now worthless. AKA, find something else to complain about. If you want to get picky, yes, they are making an A-Line, but what about the Spec-C? Which is lighter, stiffer and has more power the the STi offered here. Again, something NOT offered here. AKA, close thread.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/09q4/subaru_impreza_wrx_sti_carbon-auto_shows

And if you go by this link, there will also be two engines offered.

Two engines are available in the option list for Subaru Impreza WRX STi Carbon: a 2.0-litre turbo with 308hp and 422Nm of torque and a 2.5-litre turbo with 300hp and maximum torque of 407Nm.

http://www.4wheelsnews.com/subaru-impreza-wrx-sti-carbon-at-the-2009-tokyo-motor-show/

[Vr-4-Life]

again ndubz strikes with his worthless opinion.

selling more cars allows them to stay business and build the more sport focused cars.

porsche sells Cayennes so that they can build 911.

and ndubz- last i saw your wheels dont match. therefore your opinion will continue to mean dick. \

RoFFLLMAAAoooo

[captainhook]

The fact that they added an automatic option isn't a problem in my opinion, the issue is the lack of a good A/T option. You would have thought they woulda learned something from the Evo X MR's TC-SST trans. That transmission COMPLETELY embarrasses the 5EAT with rev-matching and paddle shifters in my Legacy. :(

[xEJ20x]

I really need to stop clickin on threads this idiot makes.....

Can we just ban him already?

[evomike]

Your right Subaru a company out to make money is ****ing up because they are broadening the market for their sales that is so dumb of them.

[ASIAN JUL]

Jesus Christ, ndubz, someone really needs to take away your internet privileges. You think Subaru gives a crap what some know-it-all punk kid on an internet forum thinks about their decision to offer the STi in an automatic trans? Oh my god, I don't know whether to laugh at you or cry that people like you exist. You think they give a damn what YOU think the STi entails? Holy crap, grow up, guy! Not every decision ever made in the world will revolve around you. It's life, it sucks, get a helmet and buckle up because it's gonna be a rough ride if you think what you say actually matters to ANYONE but yourself and maybe one or two similarly close minded people. You are a joke, not one thing I have ever seen you say on this forum has ever been worth a plug nickel.

Oh noez Subaru is doing something to make the car available to people who don't necessarily want to drive manual.. oh noezzzzz! They're trying to make moar moneyyyyy.. Look out the window, are there buildings falling? People on fire? Children killing kittens?

Why don't you turn your efforts into writing your retardedly written rants into a letter and send it to Subaru. Go ahead! I'm sure they will laugh at you the same way everyone else on this forum (and probably real life) does. Please, you go ahead and buy (and by you I mean your daddy) an Evo X if that's the way you wanna stick it to 'em. Go right the frig ahead, seriously. Ndubz is gonna put Subaru out of business with his rants, just y'all wait! YOU SHOW EM, NDUBZ. Go get them. While you're at it, be sure to tell Subaru how lame they are for using four of the same color wheels on their cars.

I'm not sure what's more annoying, you thinking the new STi's are horrible or you thinking your own STi is the greatest thing to grace the earth.

Either way, I bought you something, it might come in handy. When you're ready to come back to the real world though, that'd be nice.

http://treesflowersbirds.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/211_kleenex.jpg

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/test-area/68007d1240802426-upload-test-dr-phil-fam_midol_max_strength_caple-5300.jpg

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/shakehead.gif
fail ndubz fail

[Kir Diesel]

The only thing i disagree with is offering the STi in an Automatic option or whatever they wanna call it.. If they want to offer it auto to gain more sales then im all for it.

As far as this hatch business goes its straight up bull****... Im pretty confident that they sold less hatchs than GDs and someone find the numbers to prove me otherwise.

Someone answer me this question..

Why is that Mitsu can offer recaros stock in its product line and after what 4 years or so in the market Subaru has YET to offer recaros at least as an option on the STi.. and your still practically paying the same price for the car.

It just doesnt f'ing make sense. Seats are a big deal.

[tr4c3]

Hey guys c'mon...at least the car will be perfect for parents to get their kids as their first car. Now they don't have to learn stick!

[Renegade_]

So what I got from this thread is that ndumbz is upset because his self image and the perception of his car is being sullied because of the fact that now people who can't drive stick can now drive an STi.

Ok, word up, I see we are all adults here and... Oh wait, we're talking about Ndumbz, nvm.

[ndubz]

Jesus Christ, ndubz, someone really needs to take away your internet privileges. You think Subaru gives a crap what some know-it-all punk kid on an internet forum thinks about their decision to offer the STi in an automatic trans? Oh my god, I don't know whether to laugh at you or cry that people like you exist. You think they give a damn what YOU think the STi entails? Holy crap, grow up, guy! Not every decision ever made in the world will revolve around you. It's life, it sucks, get a helmet and buckle up because it's gonna be a rough ride if you think what you say actually matters to ANYONE but yourself and maybe one or two similarly close minded people. You are a joke, not one thing I have ever seen you say on this forum has ever been worth a plug nickel.

Oh noez Subaru is doing something to make the car available to people who don't necessarily want to drive manual.. oh noezzzzz! They're trying to make moar moneyyyyy.. Look out the window, are there buildings falling? People on fire? Children killing kittens?

Why don't you turn your efforts into writing your retardedly written rants into a letter and send it to Subaru. Go ahead! I'm sure they will laugh at you the same way everyone else on this forum (and probably real life) does. Please, you go ahead and buy (and by you I mean your daddy) an Evo X if that's the way you wanna stick it to 'em. Go right the frig ahead, seriously. Ndubz is gonna put Subaru out of business with his rants, just y'all wait! YOU SHOW EM, NDUBZ. Go get them. While you're at it, be sure to tell Subaru how lame they are for using four of the same color wheels on their cars.

I'm not sure what's more annoying, you thinking the new STi's are horrible or you thinking your own STi is the greatest thing to grace the earth.

Either way, I bought you something, it might come in handy. When you're ready to come back to the real world though, that'd be nice.

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Hahahahaha. Sounds like ur more worked up than I am. :rotfl:

Look. I'm pissed because of their bad product developement and how it's currently dragging their company to **** one bad move after another.

The mindset they have to enter the market with a product that they know is far inferior is disgraceful. It's like they aren't even trying to legitimately compete with the evo anymore. They are purposely bringing a rock to a gunfight. U see the evos DCT auto tranny has some legit performance advantages over the manual. This auto is only a performance burden in the subie. Ya maybe it doesn't lose spool to shift, but that is far negated by the increase in drivetrain loss. The slushbox has no advantages at all. It's pathetic.

[Elliott18t]

so at least they didnt do DSG type option only like the new R32, while its cool some want a traditional manual like you. Having the option for either an auto or manual is definately they best option for both ; for subaru and the consumer. Subaru will now be able to sell more STi's because of this option and many others will be able to obtain this car either because they can't or wont drive stick.

[Renegade_]

Don't try to switch the frame dude, it makes you look weak.

Alright, Ill post this once.

You have absolutely no idea what the **** you are talking about.

Marketing, money, everything. Subaru is hurting, don't deny it. Then again, every car company isn't doing all that great except maybe toyota and honda. The STi was NEVER an all out, no compromise rally car, ever. If it had no compromises you would see a 6 speed sequential with antilag, no cats, and a cage.

Please dude, get your head out of your ass. I don't go preaching to the world that 240s are awesome because I realize it is still a tin can on wheels even though it WILL outhandle your STi. Your taking this Mitsu/Suby duality to a crazy length where both sides view it as irrelevant. Your mind, and your opinion, in no way matters to anyone other than you but you fail to realize that. Stop being so damn narcissistic.

****. I come back on this forum after a hiatus and I still see this crap. And don't try to switch the frame on me either, Im chill as a mother****er right now sippin on a tequila sunrise...

[ASIAN JUL]

Hahahahaha. Sounds like ur more worked up than I am. :rotfl:

Look. I'm pissed because of their bad product developement and how it's currently dragging their company to **** one bad move after another.

The mindset they have to enter the market with a product that they know is far inferior is disgraceful. It's like they aren't even trying to legitimately compete with the evo anymore. They are purposely bringing a rock to a gunfight. U see the evos DCT auto tranny has some legit performance advantages over the manual. This auto is only a performance burden in the subie. Ya maybe it doesn't lose spool to shift, but that is far negated by the increase in drivetrain loss. The slushbox has no advantages at all. It's pathetic.

Oh, at least I'm legitimately complaining about something (which is you in case you need the help figuring that out).

Bad move says who? You? Offering the car in an automatic transmission does nothing but open the door for the part of the market that won't or can't drive manual. Sounds like more money to me. What do you think they care about more? Trying to stay afloat or keeping people like you happy? We've all heard your rants and raves about the Subaru making the new STi's as a hatch - we got it, seriously. If you move on to Mitsu and get an Evo, oh well? You'll just be replaced by a new customer with their new automatic trans STi. :wink:

[boostjunky]

I want a tequila sunrise. Would beat my espresso.

[ndubz]

Don't try to switch the frame dude, it makes you look weak.

Alright, Ill post this once.

You have absolutely no idea what the **** you are talking about.

Marketing, money, everything. Subaru is hurting, don't deny it. Then again, every car company isn't doing all that great except maybe toyota and honda. The STi was NEVER an all out, no compromise rally car, ever. If it had no compromises you would see a 6 speed sequential with antilag, no cats, and a cage.

Please dude, get your head out of your ass. I don't go preaching to the world that 240s are awesome because I realize it is still a tin can on wheels even though it WILL outhandle your STi. Your taking this Mitsu/Suby duality to a crazy length where both sides view it as irrelevant. Your mind, and your opinion, in no way matters to anyone other than you but you fail to realize that. Stop being so damn narcissistic.

****. I come back on this forum after a hiatus and I still see this crap. And don't try to switch the frame on me either, Im chill as a mother****er right now sippin on a tequila sunrise...

yet my opinion has evoked an essay from u and many other people. U can say what u want. But ur own response contrdicts this statement. And I wish I had a tequila sunrise right now too.

I think many of u are mistaking my point here. I don't car that there is an sti without a clutch pedal. I care that Subaru knowingly half assed it by using a normal inefficient automatic, when they shouldve used some sort of modern performnce enhancing tranny like a dct or cvt. They're closest competitor uses a dct so by using a normal auto they are knowingly producing an inferior product. This mindset is HORRIBLE for business and speaks not only to this specific situation but to their decline in quality since 2007. They are screwing themselves with bad decsions. And that is why I'm pissed.

You may be wondering why I even care. Well I do cuz I'm going into marketing and business as a career and it bugs me to see stupid **** going on.

And I know right now it's a special edition, but that's how new features are introduced. This auto will be an option for all stis by 2011. Simple fact, the sti market is about performance, a huge portion of the sti market modifies their cars to perform even better. Now these are not the type of people who would want a slushbox because it IS worse for performance in every single way. Mitsubishi on the other hand has an automatic that is actually better for overall performance of the evo. That's the difference, enthusiasts would actually want to have it over the manual in many cases. That is the difference. And there lies the problem. This type of idea belongs on a legacy, not the impreza. And to be quite frank here I don't think it will sell and I promise u when u read the magazine reviews they will hate it.

[marshallpre1]

I love ndubz. I love reading his posts (especially the Evo vs STi one). Hey big guy, does your STi have A/C or carpeting or back seats? Last time I checked "hardcore racers" don't have any of this...

[Renegade_]

They're closest competitor uses a dct so by using a normal auto they are knowingly producing an inferior product..
But they are marketing this car to people who DONT GIVE A **** what kind of auto it is. "Tuners" are not the majority market. Its all numbers man, all numbers. And your opinion doesn't matter at all to me... I just don't care to read it. Plus its interesting watching how people go to justify themselves when people point out flaws... kind of a weird thing of mine.

[ndubz]

I love ndubz. I love reading his posts (especially the Evo vs STi one). Hey big guy, does your STi have A/C or carpeting or back seats? Last time I checked "hardcore racers" don't have any of this...

I don't get how people take what I say literally all the time even tho I explain it alot. When I say "rally car" I mean as a market appeal. The sti and the evo are the street inspired versions of their company's wrx cars. That's what I mean. I don't mean I'm driving around in a purpose built race car (tho that would be sweet lol) and while they aren't legit rally cars they do still have many of the basic dynamic aspects of a wrx car just on a bit more civilized level and there enlies the appeal of these cars to enthusiasts.

[JET02WRX]

I think many of u are mistaking my point here. I don't car that there is an sti without a clutch pedal. I care that Subaru knowingly half assed it by using a normal inefficient automatic, when they shouldve used some sort of modern performnce enhancing tranny like a dct or cvt.

I know we all love to bash Ndubz...but i think this is the main point here... and even as someone who drives an auto... i'll agree with this specific point. When there are better alternatives, why wouldn't they just buy the tranny that Mitsu uses?

[angdefeo]

I like the leather Recaro seats.

[ndubz]

But they are marketing this car to people who DONT GIVE A **** what kind of auto it is. "Tuners" are not the majority market. Its all numbers man, all numbers. And your opinion doesn't matter at all to me... I just don't care to read it. Plus its interesting watching how people go to justify themselves when people point out flaws... kind of a weird thing of mine.

People "who don't give a ****" are not going to pay $40,000 fillers for a car in the same size class as a civic or carolla, that has ****ty ride quality, few amanities and all sorts of peformance features like dccd that they will never care to use. Those people would rather buy a base BMW 3 series or Audi or Acura TL or some other nicer normal car. The only people who want an sti are performance enthusiasts. And they won't buy it with the slushbox cuz it costs more and takes away from the performance they want. There is NO MARKET for an automatic sti unless the auto tranny boosts performance in se way as the evos does. Therefore there is no market for the car in question. That makes it a terrible business decision and they will lose money.

Simple facts.

[87fierogt]

i didnt read anything except the first post but i think its ****ing awsome that they did this as an option. i have to drive with hand controls and although they make a hand clutch setup it needs the gas and brake setup from that company also and its super expensive and unpractical for daily driving/weekend street car (id only want a stick when i do a 60s car that will get drivin here and there) so its cool they are offering it and im sure as with other autos when built for performance theywill be super consistant on the track and shift just as quick as the average driver with a manual trans

so ndubz there is a market you just need to open your eyes and stop being so ****in closed minded... just simple facts :wink:

[Khellen]

People "who don't give a ****" are not going to pay $40,000 fillers for a car in the same size class as a civic or carolla, that has ****ty ride quality, few amanities and all sorts of peformance features like dccd that they will never care to use. Those people would rather buy a base BMW 3 series or Audi or Acura TL or some other nicer normal car. The only people who want an sti are performance enthusiasts. And they won't buy it with the slushbox cuz it costs more and takes away from the performance they want. There is NO MARKET for an automatic sti unless the auto tranny boosts performance in se way as the evos does. Therefore there is no market for the car in question. That makes it a terrible business decision and they will lose money.

Simple facts.

Wow....you're retarded. Are you really so slow to think that nobody would possibly want an automatic STI regardless of the type?

I hate to break it to you, but their will be plenty of people who will interested in this, that's why subaru is doing it.

As for the "AMGZ ITS NOT A FULL OUT RACE CAR AND THATZ WHAT PEOPLE WANTS".....yea, 2004 STI's had no stereo, no sound dampening, and guess what....next year they dropped that idea. Why? Because most people dont spend 30-40k on a car that will only be driven on a track, they BUILD those cars. Most people want a sporty car, that is fun to drive, and the STI will be fun to drive regardless of auto or manual......manual will just be a tad bit more fun. :)

The STI is not a purists car, if you want a purists car buy a porsche. The impreza is a great platform that has rally racing heritage, that's where it ends.

Explain to me this, if STI's are "purists sports cars" why the hell do you have backseats? Why is your car designed with so much understeer?

[Elliott18t]

Wow....you're retarded. Are you really so slow to think that nobody would possibly want an automatic STI regardless of the type?

I hate to break it to you, but their will be plenty of people who will interested in this, that's why subaru is doing it.

As for the "AMGZ ITS NOT A FULL OUT RACE CAR AND THATZ WHAT PEOPLE WANTS".....yea, 2004 STI's had no stereo, no sound dampening, and guess what....next year they dropped that idea. Why? Because most people dont spend 30-40k on a car that will only be driven on a track, they BUILD those cars. Most people want a sporty car, that is fun to drive, the STI will be fun to drive regardless of auto or manual......manual will just be a tad bit more fun. :)

The STI is not a purists car, if you want a purists car buy a porsche. The impreza is a great platform that has rally racing heritage, that's where it ends.

Explain to me this, if STI's are "purists sports cars" why the hell do you have backseats? Why is your car designed with so much understeer?

or they pay some more and buy a lotus :)

[ASIAN JUL]

Are you seriously that dense? No market at all? Christ, there's a lot of people out there with a lot of money and buy cars that they have no idea what they're really buying. I bet there's plenty of people who will buy the car and not give two squirts about what kind of automatic transmission it uses. Listen, if you're not satisfied with the decision.. Don't buy the car. Unless not one single person ever buys this automatic STi, your rant is irrelevant. Subaru offering this car in an auto trans, regardless of what type, isn't really affecting YOU or YOUR almighty STi, now is it?

[ndubz]

i didnt read anything except the first post but i think its ****ing awsome that they did this as an option. i have to drive with hand controls and although they make a hand clutch setup it needs the gas and brake setup from that company also and its super expensive and unpractical for daily driving/weekend street car (id only want a stick when i do a 60s car that will get drivin here and there) so its cool they are offering it and im sure as with other autos when built for performance theywill be super consistant on the track and shift just as quick as the average driver with a manual trans

so ndubz there is a market you just need to open your eyes and stop being so ****in closed minded... just simple facts :wink:

I edited my first post to more accurately portray my view. I'm not against an sti with no clutch pedal and paddles on the column. I'm againt the way subaru has done it and their half assed bull**** that has been happening in the past few years. Everything from ****ty factory tunes, plastic intake manifolds, not fixing their ****ty 5spds, a station wagon sti, their cars getting continuously uglier, and now a slushbox in their one car that is really all about performance.

[Elliott18t]

Are you seriously that dense? No market at all? Christ, there's a lot of people out there with a lot of money and buy cars that they have no idea what they're really buying. I bet there's plenty of people who will buy the car and not give two squirts about what kind of automatic transmission it uses. Listen, if you're not satisfied with the decision.. Don't buy the car. Unless not one single person ever buys this automatic STi, your rant is irrelevant. Subaru offering this car in an auto trans, regardless of what type, isn't really affecting YOU or YOUR almighty STi, now is it?

my ex Gf's grandpartents where millionaires or close.. something like that. Anyways they drove around in a camry.. lol Agreed, there are people out there that dont care.

[ndubz]

Are you seriously that dense? No market at all? Christ, there's a lot of people out there with a lot of money and buy cars that they have no idea what they're really buying. I bet there's plenty of people who will buy the car and not give two squirts about what kind of automatic transmission it uses. Listen, if you're not satisfied with the decision.. Don't buy the car. Unless not one single person ever buys this automatic STi, your rant is irrelevant. Subaru offering this car in an auto trans, regardless of what type, isn't really affecting YOU or YOUR almighty STi, now is it?

Julz. I explained on the last page why I care. Go look at it.

People who don't care what they're getting into who have alot of money aren't going to buy a Subaru. Those type of people want image. They will buy a bimmer or a Lexus or some other base luxury car. Stis only have cred in the enthusiast crowd. The market really just is not there. I'm sorry. It just isn't.

[Khellen]

I edited my first post to more accurately portray my view. I'm not against an sti with no clutch pedal and paddles on the column. I'm againt the way subaru has done it and their half assed bull**** that has been happening in the past few years. Everything from ****ty factory tunes, plastic intake manifolds, not fixing their ****ty 5spds, a station wagon sti, their cars getting continuously uglier, and now a slushbox in their one car that is really all about performance.

I think people are a lot harsher on the 5-speed then it deserves. The WRX comes stock with what....180whp? People are putting 350whp down and still running perfectly fine. Honest Bob has 120k on his car and has yet to break the stock 5-speed on his 350whp setup. That's even with drag passes.

Why would you design a 180whp stock car's gearbox to take triple the power? Especially when you're flagship uses a completely different gearbox.

I think most people just suck balls at driving AWD.

[captainhook]

But they are marketing this car to people who DONT GIVE A **** what kind of auto it is. "Tuners" are not the majority market.
That is quite honestly one of the most naive and ignorant things I've heard in a while. Obviously "Tuners" aren't the majority, but duh, guess what . . . the STi isn't built for the majority of the market. Compare 2.5i sales vs STi sales. Anyone willing to spend 40K+ on a pocket rocket expects a top notch trans like the Evo X MR's TC-SST, not the slushbox Subaru 5EAT that needs a valve body modification to shift better. Believe it or not, there are car enthusiasts out there that either need or want an A/T and appreciate a quality transmission. Obviously not as many then would prefer a M/T, but we do exist.

[ndubz]

my ex Gf's grandpartents where millionaires or close.. something like that. Anyways they drove around in a camry.. lol Agreed, there are people out there that dont care.

And they sure as he'll won't buy an sti. They don't care at all. My grents are the same way. Rich as hell driving toyotas.

[Khellen]

I'd buy an auto STI if I had to sit in traffic during 90% of my driving but still wanted a sporty fun car that could be driven all year. That is, if I couldent afford to have another car for DD or didn't have the room at my house / apartment to keep a 2nd car.

I'm sure their are plenty of people that feel the exact same way.

[jspek]

this thread is pointless and just a bunch of bickering about something that will not effect anyone on this board. go team!

[SpEcRv9]

lol @ Ndubz thinking he knows the market demographic better than Subaru.

[ndubz]

I'd buy an auto STI if I had to sit in traffic during 90% of my driving but still wanted a sporty fun car that could be driven all year. That is, if I couldent afford to have another car for DD or didn't have the room at my house / apartment to keep a 2nd car.

I'm sure their are plenty of people that feel the exact same way.

like ive been saying, im not arguing that there shouldnt be an sti w/o a clutch pedal. Im arguing that they have once again ****ed up in doing it they way they chose to.

the new sti has had this trend all along. It has NEVER been what it should be, they have just compromised and half assed everything. regardless of the wagon design. Talking stock vs. stock. it is heavier, slower, weaker, and uglier than its predecessors. now for the wagon, some argue it handles better and i say bull ****. I've looked at all the numbers and the skidpads are identical, and the wagon is only fast through the slalom by like .3 mph. Definitely could have been done as well or better with a slightly better chassis design on a sedan.

The new gen sti should have been offered both as a sedan and a wagon, or exclusively as a sedan like in all previous gens..... if not exclusively as a coupe 22B style :supz: power sould have been upped to the 320-350bhp range (which was done on the 07 special edition) by way of 16psi and a free-er flowing exhaust. and there should have been a much improved chassis design to the GD in order to compensate for the new features like navigation and other amenities. the interior on the new sti is as it should be. And looks wise the front should've been MUCH cleaner, that black strip on the bumper is FUGLY.

the phrase "dont mess with success" applies here. for being a serious performance car, they sold alot of GD sti's in the US. That car and its marketing image worked quite well. Why the hell did they decide to **** with that??? u talk about making money but here they have broken one of the cardinal rules. And i'll tell u this, I absolutely dont see as many new gen stis around in late 2009, as I saw of the GD stis in late 2005. they aren't selling too well. Maybe the economy, but i dont think so cuz I see at least twice as many evo X's.

[Khellen]

now for the wagon, some argue it handles better and i say bull ****. I've looked at all the numbers and the skidpads are identical, and the wagon is only fast through the slalom by like .3 mph. Definitely could have been done as well or better with a slightly better chassis design on a sedan.

Yea, all of subarus new designs are compromised / half assed, that's why the new STI's have independant rear suspension......right? Okay...

So now you're a suspension engineer? .3mph is still .3mph closer to winning in racing. They wanted to win WRC races (before they dropped out) and felt the hatch design would help them. People a lot smarter then any of us felt it was a good choice.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the look of the new sedans and the hatches are slowly starting to grow on me.

They probably just threw any old auto in the STI since its a limited production to test the waters in offering auto STI's in the future. If they get a good response they'll problably look to add a dual clutch transmission or something similar, if it flops they won't bother.

[ndubz]

Yea, all of subarus new designs are compromised / half assed, that's why the new STI's have independant rear suspension......right? Okay...

So now you're a suspension engineer? .3mph is still .3mph closer to winning in racing. They wanted to win WRC races (before they dropped out) and felt the hatch design would help them. People a lot smarter then any of us felt it was a good choice.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the look of the new sedans and the hatches are slowly starting to grow on me.

They probably just threw any old auto in the STI since its a limited production to test the waters in offering auto STI's in the future. If they get a good response they'll problably look to add a dual clutch transmission or something similar, if it flops they won't bother.

Thats exactly what they tell u at the dealer, but in reality, they were doing just fine with every sti wrc car before that, none of which were wagons. So, That is a bull**** line through and through. They made it a wagon to soften the sti and try and expand the market of the sti and differentiate it from the evo a bit, then they designed it as a hatch, believe me, the marketing ideas came first then they made the rally car to fit it.

So outcome wise, they have differentiated it from the evo.....most people love the evo and alot more people hate the new sti. they havent expanded their market, in fact I know they have lost customers to mitsubishi with the new gen cars. And they dropped out of WRC, thus negating even their bull**** reason for having a wagon sti. They just fail so ****ing hard.....and its really funny bust hard to watch at the same time.

[Scapegoat]

i thought wrc requirements changed to the vehicle having to be a hatch?

[SpEcRv9]

in fact I know they have lost customers to mitsubishi with the new gen cars. And they dropped out of WRC, thus negating even their bull**** reason for having a wagon sti. They just fail so ****ing hard.....and its really funny bust hard to watch at the same time.

prove it. dude you don't know **** about the consumer, market or the demographics, you honestly think subaru doesn't know what it's doing?...there is a reason they were one of 2 car companies to actually make money last year.

[Elliott18t]

i thought wrc requirements changed to the vehicle having to be a hatch?

i just read, and saw nowhere about this in the rules for production cars, I think just at the moment they all happen to be hatch.

[Scapegoat]

i just read, and saw nowhere about this in the rules for production cars, I think just at the moment they all happen to be hatch.

yeah, i don't really know anything about the WRC... but any time it is brought up and the cars are pictured, they're hatch backs... soooo, i'm assuming that is a benefit there to running a hatch, which may be why subaru made the change before they decided to pull out

[Elliott18t]

i would agree, :shrug:

[ndubz]

prove it. dude you don't know **** about the consumer, market or the demographics, you honestly think subaru doesn't know what it's doing?...there is a reason they were one of 2 car companies to actually make money last year.

yea, but this sector wasn't where they were making that money. the new forrester sold a ****load, and the base imprezas are selling well. but like i said before, ive seen like twice as many evo X's as 08+ stis around. and ive talked to 3 people personally who had GD stis who moved to Evo Xs just because they hated it. in a market, where a few have one mindset it is very likely many others have the same mindset as well. And I think I would know something about the demographics for these cars seeing as I have one. :)

[DPancoast]

lol who are you to tell us that Subaru has made a bad marketing decision?

I see what you're saying, but you're talking about nothing, over nothing.... just because you have one doesn't mean ****.

This car will come out and it will sell 10s of thousands to the people that want a Subaru to have a Subaru but don't want to drive stick. They will make just as much money as they have been making, no matter what you say. You've talked to 3 people... which is about .0000001% of the population that buy Subarus.

You like arguing with people so you talk about the stupidest ****. Grow up.

[ndubz]

lol who are you to tell us that Subaru has made a bad marketing decision?

I see what you're saying, but you're talking about nothing, over nothing....

This car will come out and it will sell 10s of thousands to the people that want a Subaru to have a Subaru but don't want to drive stick. They will make just as much money as they have been making, no matter what you say.

but people who just want a subaru to have a subaru dont pay 40k for a car that is the same as the more basic one thats 20k. as far as they are concerned theres no meaningful difference. And thats what im talking about. The sti is not by any means at all a normal market car.

[fballman1987]

Jesus Christ, ndubz, someone really needs to take away your internet privileges. You think Subaru gives a crap what some know-it-all punk kid on an internet forum thinks about their decision to offer the STi in an automatic trans? Oh my god, I don't know whether to laugh at you or cry that people like you exist. You think they give a damn what YOU think the STi entails? Holy crap, grow up, guy! Not every decision ever made in the world will revolve around you. It's life, it sucks, get a helmet and buckle up because it's gonna be a rough ride if you think what you say actually matters to ANYONE but yourself and maybe one or two similarly close minded people. You are a joke, not one thing I have ever seen you say on this forum has ever been worth a plug nickel.

Oh noez Subaru is doing something to make the car available to people who don't necessarily want to drive manual.. oh noezzzzz! They're trying to make moar moneyyyyy.. Look out the window, are there buildings falling? People on fire? Children killing kittens?

Why don't you turn your efforts into writing your retardedly written rants into a letter and send it to Subaru. Go ahead! I'm sure they will laugh at you the same way everyone else on this forum (and probably real life) does. Please, you go ahead and buy (and by you I mean your daddy) an Evo X if that's the way you wanna stick it to 'em. Go right the frig ahead, seriously. Ndubz is gonna put Subaru out of business with his rants, just y'all wait! YOU SHOW EM, NDUBZ. Go get them. While you're at it, be sure to tell Subaru how lame they are for using four of the same color wheels on their cars.

I'm not sure what's more annoying, you thinking the new STi's are horrible or you thinking your own STi is the greatest thing to grace the earth.

Either way, I bought you something, it might come in handy. When you're ready to come back to the real world though, that'd be nice.

http://treesflowersbirds.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/211_kleenex.jpg

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/test-area/68007d1240802426-upload-test-dr-phil-fam_midol_max_strength_caple-5300.jpg

wow you sure are quick to jump the gun without knowing absolutely anything.

putting an ****ty automatic trans in an sti is retarded, not only does this mean more young kids will be driving them, it means increased insurance rates because of added idiots who will drive them and crash them, since all of our insurance rates are based off a group(im sure you thought that out googling midol). this also means since they are making more and have auto, the price could possibly lower, again leading more douche bags to pick up this car. its not even a paddle shift or anything. its garbage. you are just like all the other tristate bandwagon jumpers. you see everyone else jumping on the kid and you go and bash him too. the kid makes a valid point. stay in off topic, at least your semi wanted in there. isnt a forum designed to be able to express your opinion? oh wait unless its not the opinion of you its not worthy right?

you can thank toyota! haha.

[DPancoast]

bro. econonmy or not... there are thousands of people that spend money to have the newest "coolest" thing..

haven't you ever watched MTV where parents spend HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars on a birthday party?

people don't care... I have multiple friends that wont buy a car that is more than 5 years old...... they only get new cars... multiply that by thousands and there's your market.

[Khellen]

Thats exactly what they tell u at the dealer, but in reality, they were doing just fine with every sti wrc car before that, none of which were wagons. So, That is a bull**** line through and through. They made it a wagon to soften the sti and try and expand the market of the sti and differentiate it from the evo a bit, then they designed it as a hatch, believe me, the marketing ideas came first then they made the rally car to fit it.

So outcome wise, they have differentiated it from the evo.....most people love the evo and alot more people hate the new sti. they havent expanded their market, in fact I know they have lost customers to mitsubishi with the new gen cars. And they dropped out of WRC, thus negating even their bull**** reason for having a wagon sti. They just fail so ****ing hard.....and its really funny bust hard to watch at the same time.

Uh, the evo and STI have been similar for 10 years, why the hell would they suddenly care that they were similar?

I suppose they added the rear window wing, HUGE sti wing, HUGE hoodscoop, and intercooler sprayer to get customers to buy STI's too? Lets face the facts, the impreza/WRX/STI has always been butt ugly, the only reason tuners really prefer the WRX and STI is because it looks agressive (and is a good tuning platform) with all of the go fast bits on it. Subaru already had a WRX wagon, they didn't need to redesign the STI to sell them to soccer moms.

A valid point to argue would be...."hey, the front end of the car is no longer as agressive and looks more like a mazda 3".......now that would definitely make a bit more sense. The new generation of subarus don't look half as agressive as the older generations. That may have been geared more towards non tuners.

[SpEcRv9]

And I think I would know something about the demographics for these cars seeing as I have one. :)

no, you're wrong...you think you know the demographics, assuming everyone that buys an STI want's maximum performance...maybe most people on forums, but I can't tell you how many times I've seen an older person putting along in an STI...clearly not worried about maximum performance. Not everyone wants what you think they want....that's why Subaru hasn't hired you, and pays other people hundreds of thousands of dollars to find out what the consumer wants...because some retarded 19 year old kid thinks he knows what he is talking about because he owns one?...get real.

[ndubz]

bro. econonmy or not... there are thousands of people that spend money to have the newest "coolest" thing..

haven't you ever watched MTV where parents spend HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars on a birthday party?

people don't care... I have multiple friends that wont buy a car that is more than 5 years old...... they only get new cars... multiply that by thousands and there's your market.

I see what u mean bro, but all those people buy M3s, S4s, and other flashy **** like that. Those of them who are real enthusiasts might get an sti, but they sure as hell wont buy automatic. they'd be in it for the performance and mods. cuz lets be real, a subaru isnt really a status symbol when compared to european cars. all those vain teenagers get bmw 328i's cuz they think they are awesome cars just cuz theyre bmws. thats what i mean, theres not a real market for this car.

[Khellen]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/uptospeed/2009/08/subaru-sales-jump-while-others-fall.html

Subaru sells enough snooze mobiles without turning STI's or WRX's into grocery getters.

I am worried about the future of subaru performance wise, with the WRC gone. At least they made that fugly legacy for DTM racing.

[ndubz]

no, you're wrong...you think you know the demographics, assuming everyone that buys an STI want's maximum performance...maybe most people on forums, but I can't tell you how many times I've seen an older person putting along in an STI...clearly not worried about maximum performance. Not everyone wants what you think they want....that's why Subaru hasn't hired you, and pays other people hundreds of thousands of dollars to find out what the consumer wants...because some retarded 19 year old kid thinks he knows what he is talking about because he owns one?...get real.

most people who own stis are under 40 years old. yes there are a few that aren't but im talking big picture. its an enthusiasts car, nobody else even hardly knows what they are, let alone says "if only they made it in automatic".
not everyone mods their stis obviously, but u dont buy one unless ur an enthusiast. Simple fact its not arguable.

cuz people who arent enthusiasts see no value in all the extra performance **** and thus wont spend the extra 10-15k to have one. theyre just fine with a normal impreza. U can tell me I dont know **** all u want, but u seem to be the one who hasn't a clue. I know im right because my view works with established business principles and basic supply and demand, and the concepts of a customer base who is Willing and Able to purchase a product for a given price. Yes I think subarus product development people for the impreza line are retarded.

[DPancoast]

I see what u mean bro, but all those people buy M3s, S4s, and other flashy **** like that. Those of them who are real enthusiasts might get an sti, but they sure as hell wont buy automatic. they'd be in it for the performance and mods. cuz lets be real, a subaru isnt really a status symbol when compared to european cars. all those vain teenagers get bmw 328i's cuz they think they are awesome cars just cuz theyre bmws. thats what i mean, theres not a real market for this car.

alright, well then we're on the same level then. But I still think you are over thinking this. Thats all.

[Elliott18t]

I see what u mean bro, but all those people buy M3s, S4s, and other flashy **** like that. Those of them who are real enthusiasts might get an sti, but they sure as hell wont buy automatic. they'd be in it for the performance and mods. cuz lets be real, a subaru isnt really a status symbol when compared to european cars. all those vain teenagers get bmw 328i's cuz they think they are awesome cars just cuz theyre bmws. thats what i mean, theres not a real market for this car.

see now here your making it sound like subaru is the end all of performance. I can tell you right now that this is wrong, and not everyone gets subaru for perfomance as stated before. M3s, S4s are a bit a both, people who want comfort and perfomance, these also have a tuning section too. Not everyone gets a european car to be vain. They just like what they have to offer, like how you like(d?) what subaru has(had) to offer.

[ndubz]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/uptospeed/2009/08/subaru-sales-jump-while-others-fall.html

Subaru sells enough snooze mobiles without turning STI's or WRX's into grocery getters.

I am worried about the future of subaru performance wise, with the WRC gone. At least they made that fugly legacy for DTM racing.

thats why they were in the + last year. their base cars are great, and desirable in the normal car market........too bad they are sucking mad cock at the performance sector right now. it wouldnt suprise me if they pull out for a while.

[rich33389]

Who cares. I don't see the big deal, they don't make the same car forever you know, its all about change!

[evomike]

Porsche make the 911 turbo in automatic and you always bring up Porsche for performance so if they can do it why can Subaru?

[Scapegoat]

most people who own stis are under 40 years old. yes there are a few that aren't but im talking big picture. its an enthusiasts car, nobody else even hardly knows what they are, let alone says "if only they made it in automatic".
not everyone mods their stis obviously, but u dont buy one unless ur an enthusiast. Simple fact its not arguable.

cuz people who arent enthusiasts see no value in all the extra performance **** and thus wont spend the extra 10-15k to have one. theyre just fine with a normal impreza. U can tell me I dont know **** all u want, but u seem to be the one who hasn't a clue. I know im right because my view works with established business principles and basic supply and demand, and the concepts of a customer base who is Willing and Able to purchase a product for a given price. Yes I think subarus product development people for the impreza line are retarded.

i'm pretty certain there are a large number of people who own STIs and don't really know what they've bought. only that they were the top of the line imprezza and figured there is additional value inherent with the price itself.

I can sell you a website for a grand or i can sell you one for 10 grand. which do you think is going to perform better, look better and get you more business?

the monetary value of something is, to most people, representative of its over all value.

your "simple fact" is certainly arguable because you cite no resource that backs it up. you debate with opinions you mask as fact... which is why you rarely have a valid point and why you're impossible to have a mature/adult debate with.

the only fact that i've seen you post is that subaru is offering an automatic in a special japanese only spec of the car (that i've actually read). everything else you've managed to put forth in this thread is nothing more than a runny bowel movement.

[ndubz]

see now here your making it sound like subaru is the end all of performance. I can tell you right now that this is wrong, and not everyone gets subaru for perfomance as stated before. M3s, S4s are a bit a both, people who want comfort and perfomance, these also have a tuning section too. Not everyone gets a european car to be vain. They just like what they have to offer, like how you like(d?) what subaru has(had) to offer.

that is true, but what the sti has to offer isnt that and never has been that. they arent going to turn it into a luxury car like an S4 because nobody will pay 50k+ for a subaru. they are forgetting where their market is at. people buy stis because they are relatively cheap, practical, yet hardcore performance cars. A great value. and can easily keep up with or beat the luxy germans at the track. The new sti is nowhere near where it used to be in terms of status. The GD would oust a stock M3, now look at it. not even close. the ****ing cobalt will pull with an sti in the straights and the m3 would just be out from the start. they arent adapting to the market. and theyre just ****ting the bed in general

[fballman1987]

As i said before thank toyota!

[ndubz]

Porsche make the 911 turbo in automatic and you always bring up Porsche for performance so if they can do it why can Subaru?

thats PDK buddy, it enhances performance alot. Cuz its a DCT, not a slushbox

[Elliott18t]

i'm pretty certain there are a large number of people who own STIs and don't really know what they've bought. only that they were the top of the line imprezza and figured there is additional value inherent with the price itself.

I can sell you a website for a grand or i can sell you one for 10 grand. which do you think is going to perform better, look better and get you more business?

the monetary value of something is, to most people, representative of its over all value.

your "simple fact" is certainly arguable because you cite no resource that backs it up. you debate with opinions you mask as fact... which is why you rarely have a valid point and why you're impossible to have a mature/adult debate with.

the only fact that i've seen you post is that subaru is offering an automatic in a special japanese only spec of the car (that i've actually read). everything else you've managed to put forth in this thread is nothing more than a runny bowel movement.

^ lol exactly

[Khellen]

40k for a STI or EVO is retarded. That is the only time you'll see me agreeing with you in this thread.

As for auto as an option, regardless of if it's a 5-speed gearbox or a double clutch transmission......that won't matter. Maybe 5% of the people who consider the car will care. Most people have never even owned a paddle shift car and won't know what (if anything) they are missing. If anything I would think people would be more worried about using a transmission that is brand new and is in the first years of development on a new car. Plus if you bust those trannys they are probably insanely expensive to fix.....as opposed to the good old auto.

What cars come with paddle shifters....the honda fit, Evo X, BMW's, GTR? Unless your downgrading to a STI or EVO, chances are you havent owned one.

Is it a shame subaru didn't offer it? Yea, of course. Will it hurt them in the long run? Nope.

[evomike]

So since you've driven it you know it sucks right? Or did you just read on the Internet that it comes in auto and got angry because that's what happened.

[ndubz]

i'm pretty certain there are a large number of people who own STIs and don't really know what they've bought. only that they were the top of the line imprezza and figured there is additional value inherent with the price itself.

I can sell you a website for a grand or i can sell you one for 10 grand. which do you think is going to perform better, look better and get you more business?

the monetary value of something is, to most people, representative of its over all value.

your "simple fact" is certainly arguable because you cite no resource that backs it up. you debate with opinions you mask as fact... which is why you rarely have a valid point and why you're impossible to have a mature/adult debate with.

the only fact that i've seen you post is that subaru is offering an automatic in a special japanese only spec of the car (that i've actually read). everything else you've managed to put forth in this thread is nothing more than a runny bowel movement.

No im talking from personal experience. this is a forum not court room. and I have never personally met an STi owner who wasnt an enthusiast. And yes I have met people over 50 who own a stock one, but they bought the car for what it is. I find the clueless people stop at the wrxs for the most part, at least for the GD imprezas.

[Elliott18t]

that is true, but what the sti has to offer isnt that and never has been that. they arent going to turn it into a luxury car like an S4 because nobody will pay 50k+ for a subaru. they are forgetting where their market is at. people buy stis because they are relatively cheap, practical, yet hardcore performance cars. A great value. and can easily keep up with or beat the luxy germans at the track. The new sti is nowhere near where it used to be in terms of status. The GD would oust a stock M3, now look at it. not even close. the ****ing cobalt will pull with an sti in the straights and the m3 would just be out from the start. they arent adapting to the market. and theyre just ****ting the bed in general

thing is AUDI wasn't always a Luxury car company. (after autounion-begining of 'audi')

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi#Modern_era

[Proven]

yea, but this sector wasn't where they were making that money. the new forrester sold a ****load, and the base imprezas are selling well. but like i said before, ive seen like twice as many evo X's as 08+ stis around. and ive talked to 3 people personally who had GD stis who moved to Evo Xs just because they hated it. in a market, where a few have one mindset it is very likely many others have the same mindset as well. And I think I would know something about the demographics for these cars seeing as I have one. :)

I think its such a shame that you think your STI is the most superior car out there for starters. I can understand your point with the automatic though trust me. BUT, Subaru isn't making cars for the KID who thinks his car is the best in the world. They are making them for the masses.

Like you mentioned, The forester and base Impreza is what holds the Company together sales wise. BE GLAD that they aren't dropping the STI line up completely because of this. Most good business practice is to stick with whats selling MOST and drop whats not.

Get ready to wave to the granny with the STI that's newer then yours :mrgreen:

[ndubz]

So since you've driven it you know it sucks right? Or did you just read on the Internet that it comes in auto and got angry because that's what happened.

im angry at the thought process that went into this from the subaru development people. u came in here using the porsche example which if u had read the thread, ud know i have no issues with. please read up more before repeating the same crap thats already been covered

[ndubz]

I think its such a shame that you think your STI is the most superior car out there for starters. I can understand your point with the automatic though trust me. BUT, Subaru isn't making cars for the KID who thinks his car is the best in the world. They are making them for the masses.

Like you mentioned, The forester and base Impreza is what holds the Company together sales wise. BE GLAD that they aren't dropping the STI line up completely because of this. Most good business practice is to stick with whats selling MOST and drop whats not.

Get ready to wave to the granny with the STI that's newer then yours :mrgreen:

they will never be seen as real members of the subie fam by me and many others who feel the STi name is being ****ted on. I'll give them the one fingered wave.

and for the last time, the sti is not a part of the normal market.

[ndubz]

thing is AUDI wasn't always a Luxury car company. (after autounion-begining of 'audi')

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi#Modern_era

yes, but it has been for as long as there have been stis and evos (even in japan only) so that point, while interesting, is irrelevant. good to know tho bro

[Scapegoat]

im angry at the thought process that went into this from the subaru development people.

please enlighten us as to their thought process. I am most certain you are privy to notes from the meetings held within the offices of Subaru.

[ndubz]

please enlighten us as to their thought process. I am most certain you are privy to notes from the meetings held within the offices of Subaru.

obviously not, but the continued mediocrity in their new performance cars is proof enough that they arent doing things well at all.

[evomike]

The meeting probably went like this jusdging from what I read about recent sales of both the Evo and sti..... Well Gus how can we afford to keep building this car to keep our customers happy? How about we build an automatic model broadening our demograph so we can afford to keep producing the sti.

[ndubz]

I guess time will tell then wont it.

[rich33389]

This is unacceptable.

[ndubz]

This is unacceptable.

what is? the car or something else?

[SpEcRv9]

obviously not, but the continued mediocrity in their new performance cars is proof enough that they arent doing things well at all.

subaru is a business and one of a few businesses in it's line of business that's making money, they clearly are doing things pretty damn well if you ask me.

[DPancoast]

they can charge so much because of the brand name... just like when Nissan went way over MSRP when they sold the car when it came out...

[rich33389]

Automatics are faster and more consistent than manuals anyway.

[ndubz]

subaru is a business and one of a few businesses in it's line of business that's making money, they clearly are doing things pretty damn well if you ask me.

in the normal market they are. I agree with u there. But theyre ****ing the enthusiast sector up royally.

[rich33389]

in the normal market they are. I agree with u there. But theyre ****ing the enthusiast sector up royally.

No they are not, they still make the manuals...

[ndubz]

Automatics are faster and more consistent than manuals anyway.

yea, i mean other than the fact that they waste alot more energy, require alot more percentage of the engines power to work than a manual does, and are less responsive than u can shift a manual (conventional slush boxes only). O yea, and they dont require any ability to drive the car, meaning they allow people who cant handle a car at all to get in way over their heads.

but yea, other than their inferiority on every single aspect that matters to performance, yup theyre better for a performance car.

[rich33389]

Sorry, I forgot you have the answer for everything.

[ndubz]

Sorry, I forgot you have the answer for everything.

yea, u and alot of people.....and quite frankly its ****ing disrespectful :-p

[Khellen]

I find the clueless people stop at the wrxs for the most part, at least for the GD imprezas.

You do realize some of the most hardcore subaru enthusiasts out there own WRX's or standard imprezas right? I've seen twice as many WRX enthusiasts as STI's.

yea, i mean other than the fact that they waste alot more energy, require alot more percentage of the engines power to work than a manual does, and are less responsive than u can shift a manual (conventional slush boxes only). O yea, and they dont require any ability to drive the car, meaning they allow people who cant handle a car at all to get in way over their heads.

but yea, other than their inferiority on every single aspect that matters to performance, yup theyre better for a performance car.

Uh, what? A well built 5-speed can outshift 99% of the manual drivers on the road. You're right, it does take a little bit more power away from the car, but it can make up for it in the speed of shifts. You'll just have a lot less control of which gear you're in at what time.

And control the car??? YOU HAVE AN AWD CAR! It's not like your going to let the clutch out to fast and break the wheels loose.

[DPancoast]

^ unless you're Ken Block

[ndubz]

You do realize some of the most hardcore subaru enthusiasts out there own WRX's or standard imprezas right? I've seen twice as many WRX enthusiasts as STI's.



Uh, what? A well built 5-speed can outshift 99% of the manual drivers on the road. You're right, it does take a little bit more power away from the car, but it can make up for it in the speed of shifts. You'll just have a lot less control of which gear you're in at what time.

And control the car??? YOU HAVE AN AWD CAR! It's not like your going to let the clutch out to fast and break the wheels loose.

And that is exactly what I mean when I say the sti is not part of the normal market. The slushbox belongs on the wrx. anything on the sti (mechanics wise) should be all about higher performance because that is the sti's market. The wrx is for people who either cant afford an sti or dont want something as hardcore as an sti but still want some balls under the hood. the sti is the top of the line performance car in the lineup. With a customer base that expects it to be just that. they are straying from that customer base to one that doesnt exist at the given price range of the sti.

and controlling a car is about alot more than just spinning ur wheels from a stop. u should learn that. Our cars are heavily prone to understeer (or overstter if u have enough power and the dccd all the way back with a nice flick) and with an automatic, things are much less predictable/ controllable, which in the right situation, will kill u.

[turboman808]

yea, i mean other than the fact that they waste alot more energy, require alot more percentage of the engines power to work than a manual does, and are less responsive than u can shift a manual (conventional slush boxes only). O yea, and they dont require any ability to drive the car, meaning they allow people who cant handle a car at all to get in way over their heads.

but yea, other than their inferiority on every single aspect that matters to performance, yup theyre better for a performance car.


I'm putting a quaife sequential gearbox in my 36 year old porsche this spring. It will drop 3-4 seconds off my times at Limerock. I am willing to bet no one will say I am a noob or shouldn't be allowed to drive or I am in over my head or any other nonsense because I went with a better transmission.

Yet if quaife made something comparable to the new Jaguar automatic that would fit my porsche I would be about 6 seconds faster but somehow a noob to you. Your whole argument is so flawed.

[ASIAN JUL]

yea, i mean other than the fact that they waste alot more energy, require alot more percentage of the engines power to work than a manual does, and are less responsive than u can shift a manual (conventional slush boxes only). O yea, and they dont require any ability to drive the car, meaning they allow people who cant handle a car at all to get in way over their heads.

but yea, other than their inferiority on every single aspect that matters to performance, yup theyre better for a performance car.



In that case, it should be a perfect fit for you. You can still drive like you have a fire lit under your ass (since we all know that's what you do) and not have to worry about shifting anymore.

[Khellen]

Our cars are heavily prone to understeer (or overstter if u have enough power and the dccd all the way back with a nice flick) and with an automatic, things are much less predictable/ controllable, which in the right situation, will kill u.

You heard it here first. If you're driving an auto in any sports car, you're not only a danger to yourself but others on the road.

Do the responsible thing, sign up for ndubz driver training.

You will learn important performance tips such as:

-Only noobs use slotted rotors, the pros use drilled rotors!
-Automatic transmissions are the bane of all things fast
-Make your car handle better, buy a manual!
-The "nice DCCD flick"

[jjm4life]

guys are we all losing sight of the real answer?











NDUBZ_ YOUR WHEELS DONT MATCH. YOUR OPINION IS WORTHLESS. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY AND IM SURE IF YOU NEVER BOUGHT ANOTHER SUBARU AGAIN, SOA WOULDNT GIVE TO ****S, AND NEITHER WOULD WE.

[ndubz]

I'm putting a quaife sequential gearbox in my 36 year old porsche this spring. It will drop 3-4 seconds off my times at Limerock. I am willing to bet no one will say I am a noob or shouldn't be allowed to drive or I am in over my head or any other nonsense because I went with a better transmission.

Yet if quaife made something comparable to the new Jaguar automatic that would fit my porsche I would be about 6 seconds faster but somehow a noob to you. Your whole argument is so flawed.

But it isnt a sequential gearbox and it isnt the jaguar automatic. Its the same tranny the ****ing legacy and forester have.

U act like i dont know there are amazing automatics out there. I am well aware that their are. But none of those are in this car. so all ur arguements are pointless. We arent talking about if a system like PDk is better than manual, were talking about a normal ass auto trans.

[ndubz]

In that case, it should be a perfect fit for you. You can still drive like you have a fire lit under your ass (since we all know that's what you do) and not have to worry about shifting anymore.

Julz, u have zero idea how I drive at all or what my abilities are in that area. ur judging my driving ability based on the arguments I make on an online forum......heyyyyyy ur REALLY smart!!!!!! :thumbup:

and now i really wish I had met u in person at the Krazy house meet cuz it woulda been priceless :mrgreen:

Unlike the other guy im not going to be an outright douche to u, but seriously if u cant make a solid counter argument to what the thread is about, then u should seriously just not post. And "no ur wrong" or "shut the **** up ndumbz" are not actual arguments. and that goes for anyone.

And I have yet to see someone actually shed some light on how this car would actually work in the real market. so my opinion remains that it wont.

[ndubz]

You heard it here first. If you're driving an auto in any sports car, you're not only a danger to yourself but others on the road.

Do the responsible thing, sign up for ndubz driver training.

You will learn important performance tips such as:

-Only noobs use slotted rotors, the pros use drilled rotors!
-Automatic transmissions are the bane of all things fast
-Make your car handle better, buy a manual!
-The "nice DCCD flick"

u definitely dont get what im saying.

having an auto opens the car up to all sorts of people who have no experience driving a serious car, and no longer have to make a commitment to show they are at least somewhat serious about driving in order to actually drive the car. Again, soccer moms in stis= scary ****ing thought. Soccer moms doin 155mph on the way to practice....o ****.

[Khellen]

u definitely dont get what im saying.

having an auto opens the car up to all sorts of people who have no experience driving a serious car, and no longer have to make a commitment to show they are at least somewhat serious about driving in order to actually drive the car. Again, soccer moms in stis= scary ****ing thought. Soccer moms doin 155mph on the way to practice....o ****.

So wait, because you know how to drive stick you're experienced at driving a serious car? Are you really serious in thinking people who buy STI's atm have "serious performance car" experience going into an STI? Kids are getting them in college (arnt you in college?) and used ones in high school, come on now.

Just because you can drive stick dosent mean you "are at least somewhat serious about driving". On most econobox cars manual transmissions are cheaper then automatics and a lot of people learn to drive stick for no other reason then to save money. Are they "showing a commitment to serious driving?"

This is completely ridiculous, I have never driven stick in my life, bought a 5-speed wrx, and learned in a few weeks. 100k miles later, I'm still on the stock clutch. You're making driving stick sound like it's rocket science.....for most people it isnt.

[Forc3 F3d]

hey ndubz, shut the **** up!

[ndubz]

So wait, because you know how to drive stick you're experienced at driving a serious car? Are you really serious in thinking people who buy STI's atm have "serious performance car" experience going into an STI? Kids are getting them in college (arnt you in college?) and used ones in high school, come on now.

Just because you can drive stick dosent mean you "are at least somewhat serious about driving". On most econobox cars manual transmissions are cheaper then automatics and a lot of people learn to drive stick for no other reason then to save money. Are they "showing a commitment to serious driving?"

This is completely ridiculous, I have never driven stick in my life, bought a 5-speed wrx, and learned in a few weeks. 100k miles later, I'm still on the stock clutch. You're making driving stick sound like it's rocket science.....for most people it isnt.

No dude, im not saying everyone who can drive stick is mario andretti. Im saying that these days when 90+% cars are automatic. It shows a little commitment from the person to driving car well. or at least knowing how to control their machine properly. Its more of a show of good faith, that says they are more serious about driving than everyone else out there who just hops in and goes without even thinking about what they are doing. And honestly, thats a rather large step because people who arent committed to driving tend to get distracted while driving and cause accidents. so honestly, its a bigger show of faith than one may think at first.

it shows that ur more serious about ur driving than most other people out there. and its good to be serious about what ur doing before u get behind the wheel of a 300hp+, 0-60 in 4.5sec, 160mph machine. everyone kinda writes off stock cars, but a stock sti or evo is more than most drivers can handle.


and If u must know the sti was my first car as a junior in HS ( i know how spoiled I am, no need to remind me). I learned for 2 years prior on a 944 S2 with my dad. I learned via many ways, but i taught myself alot. and seeing as the car's only real damage so far has been the dealer bumping it in their shop, id say ive done well.But then again, ur talking to someone who takes driving very seriously, i never text while driving and phone convos are kept short. and I drive my car normally most of the time, but I do push it as much as I feel is ok, so it hasnt been babied the whole time. Ive done this myself, but i know that most people are far less serious about it than i have been, and may find themselves in trouble.

But kudos to u bro, u have learned stick. uve shown that commitment. as have I and most others on this site. Its any of us were talking about here. its all the ****ing idiots out there who are oblivious to the world around them.

[ndubz]

hey ndubz, shut the **** up!

U always have such constructive things to say :)

[CANNIBALOFDOOM]

moms driving good handling cars sounds like a great idea to me. gives the same idea as 99% of people who say o my "sporty" car is better then your suv because i wouldn't even get into the accident i would advoid it with my sweet handling and awesome stoping brakes. plus soccer moms drive really fast. I always have to move over for these "soccer moms" and i def don;t drive slow. Bitches got 50 places to be and have to have their coffee!!

[Kevin]

I could barely read past page 1. I hate trying to read wtf kind of sense you try to make. Your threads suck and your only good on this site for giving us someone to make fun of. Your opinions create useless conversation.

As for this car, I think its funny that it made you cry.


you know the supra's came with an 5 speed auto... many people perfer it and there are plenty of fast auto supras.

The Supra's that came auto were faster then the manual ones, which is funny here.

wow you sure are quick to jump the gun without knowing absolutely anything.

I lol'd so loud hahaha

[rllyrckt]

I LOVE MY AUTO....thats all im gonna say, and my car is swapped and i dont wanna swap my trans bc it pisses people off like you when they get beat by a car they thought was a five speed and it is suprisingly an AUTO so.... thats my two sense maybe there is an underlying meaning why people sometimes by an auto and use it to its full capabilities..... to piss people off who get beat by them, and last time i checked and did research...the subaru 4EAT, which is what I HAVE, holds up to more power than any subaru 5MT gearbox, so when you start saying they are slushboxes and ****ty and what not...do your research, realize what the capabilities of components are before you start spouting off some bs.....ok im done now

[ndubz]

I could barely read past page 1. I hate trying to read wtf kind of sense you try to make. Your threads suck and your only good on this site for giving us someone to make fun of. Your opinions create useless conversation.

As for this car, I think its funny that it made you cry.



The Supra's that came auto were faster then the manual ones, which is funny here.



I lol'd so loud hahaha

Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing constructive :thumbup:

I have opinions cuz i go find things and then make them. And i dont worry about saying what I want, and defending my views. I love arguing, and I love to stir things up. Ur just a faceless hater with nothing intelligent to say at all. So please go back in ur closet and touch urself......the world cant get u in there.

[Vr-4-Life]

lol this thread sucks.

[ndubz]

moms driving good handling cars sounds like a great idea to me. gives the same idea as 99% of people who say o my "sporty" car is better then your suv because i wouldn't even get into the accident i would advoid it with my sweet handling and awesome stoping brakes. plus soccer moms drive really fast. I always have to move over for these "soccer moms" and i def don;t drive slow. Bitches got 50 places to be and have to have their coffee!!

Finally someone who isnt a douchebag and actually has something to say.

U make a good point about people having better handling cars. I have to say thats something i didnt really consider in my ranting state. But at the same time those soccer moms drive fast enough, and shouldn't be capable of more than 120mph.... they push that as is lol...... let alone 160.

I guess ideally, we give them the sti suspension and chassis with the base 2.5 N/A motor in it. :mrgreen:

[ndubz]

lol this thread sucks.

haha o rich, go have ur sushi......I know I am :wink:

[ndubz]

I LOVE MY AUTO....thats all im gonna say, and my car is swapped and i dont wanna swap my trans bc it pisses people off like you when they get beat by a car they thought was a five speed and it is suprisingly an AUTO so.... thats my two sense maybe there is an underlying meaning why people sometimes by an auto and use it to its full capabilities..... to piss people off who get beat by them, and last time i checked and did research...the subaru 4EAT, which is what I HAVE, holds up to more power than any subaru 5MT gearbox, so when you start saying they are slushboxes and ****ty and what not...do your research, realize what the capabilities of components are before you start spouting off some bs.....ok im done now

Another valid point, where were u guys earlier.

Well I cant argue against ur logic about it holding better than the 5spd, cuz I know how bad they are. I dont know much about the 4spd auto from the GC era. I mean if it holds more thats a good way to go then, but ur still sacrificing more power to the drivetrain, but i guess it would even out. however, at the same time, ur car is not the new sti. it isnt a product being sent into the market as a half assed job. so my argument about the new auto sti stands because it just sucks everything.

[Kevin]

Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing constructive :thumbup:

I have opinions cuz i go find things and then make them. And i dont worry about saying what I want, and defending my views. I love arguing, and I love to stir things up. Ur just a faceless hater with nothing intelligent to say at all. So please go back in ur closet and touch urself......the world cant get u in there.

lol I'll see your useless posts in a week.

[ndubz]

lol I'll see your useless posts in a week.

says u in ur own "useless" Post

[jjm4life]

why do you continue to post on this site. literally every thread you have ever started has turned into tst hating on your for your moronic point of view. take your opinions and your mismatched wheel'd sti and drive off a cliff already

[856jersey]

I love Subarus, thats all im going to say :-p

[ndubz]

why do you continue to post on this site. literally every thread you have ever started has turned into tst hating on your for your moronic point of view. take your opinions and your mismatched wheel'd sti and drive off a cliff already

because it pisses u off....cutie :wink:

[ndubz]

I love Subarus, thats all im going to say :-p

way to change it......clearly ur not really with the UFSLFAT movement..... tsk tsk

[BigWhiteTodd]

I dont see the big deal they need to open the market, better then them just cutting off the sti from the line up right?

[ndubz]

I dont see the big deal they need to open the market, better then them just cutting off the sti from the line up right?

but heres the thing. who's really going to buy it when its $40k. and they can get the impreza GT or w/e with 227hp for like $23k. Im saying the demographic that doesnt care about the tranny and the full on driving experience isnt going to pay that much for an auto sti when theres many alternatives that are just as good in their eyes at near half the price.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

I dunno man, I really don't mind the 5 speed auto trans as long as it is only an OPTION and not THE ONLY option. I personally, if I had the $$ would love an auto STI as my daily driver in the rush hour gridlock....the morning stop and go is one of the reasons I no longer daily drive my WRX (with its swapped 07 STI 6 speed trans) on my 100 mile roundtrip commute...I just can't take the constant upshift/downshift. And as previously stated, some of the fastest custom WRXs use the EAT trans. Granted, it's a little expensive to get it where you want it be with the cost of putting a high stall torque converter and tranny oil cooler. Those expenses are offset by the fact though that you won't be replacing a clutch every XX,XXX miles. A good option as long as it stays just that....an OPTION!

[ndubz]

I dunno man, I really don't mind the 5 speed auto trans as long as it is only an OPTION and not THE ONLY option. I personally, if I had the $$ would love an auto STI as my daily driver in the rush hour gridlock....the morning stop and go is one of the reasons I no longer daily drive my WRX (with its swapped 07 STI 6 speed trans) on my 100 mile roundtrip commute...I just can't take the constant upshift/downshift. And as previously stated, some of the fastest custom WRXs use the EAT trans. Granted, it's a little expensive to get it where you want it be with the cost of putting a high stall torque converter and tranny oil cooler. Those expenses are offset by the fact though that you won't be replacing a clutch every XX,XXX miles. A good option as long as it stays just that....an OPTION!

Im beginning to see the merits of some autos in the aftermarket realm. but that doesnt change what im mad about. that doesnt change the fact that subaru continues to half ass things. its unacceptable for any company in a competitive market.

[BigWhiteTodd]

Yeah but its not what they want it must have been asked for or they see a market in it.

[ndubz]

Yeah but its not what they want it must have been asked for or they see a market in it.

it needs to be a DCT or CVT. im sorry there is NO excuse for it these days. the Evo has it, the sti must compete and attempt to do better, not release some bull**** car with old ass technology that is obviously worse than its main competitor from the get go. Its just an awful move all around. and its one more bad move on top of many other bad moves since 07. its a trend and it needs to stop.

[Kevin]

Ford has offered auto mustang GT's for decades and I guarantee it was solely for maximizing profits.

Who gives a flying **** about what an auto is going to do to a car culture that has always been manual? Seriously? You make it seem like your going to feel less about your car and Subaru based on the company creating more options for potential consumers. That's in-****ing-sane. I'm sure Subaru has felt some of the economic woes going around in this global recession and by offering this as an option will possible increase their marginal benefit.

[turboman808]

But it isnt a sequential gearbox and it isnt the jaguar automatic. Its the same tranny the ****ing legacy and forester have.

U act like i dont know there are amazing automatics out there. I am well aware that their are. But none of those are in this car. so all ur arguements are pointless. We arent talking about if a system like PDk is better than manual, were talking about a normal ass auto trans.

Well the big question is has anyone driven the car in question. I see paddle shifts on the colum. Unless someone has driven it no one can really give an opinion. If it turns out to be **** with a 2 second pause between shift I will laugh at these cars right along with you.

As far as culture goes most of you never heard of these cars in the us til 7 years ago. Hard to call that a culture with a chuckle.

[MANLYmiata]

retard .

[thunder_lizard]

Well the big question is has anyone driven the car in question. I see paddle shifts on the colum. Unless someone has driven it no one can really give an opinion. If it turns out to be **** with a 2 second pause between shift I will laugh at these cars right along with you.

As far as culture goes most of you never heard of these cars in the us til 7 years ago. Hard to call that a culture with a chuckle.


Normally, I would agree whole-heartedly...but IMO the STi, as a specific model of Subaru's lineup, was meant to be a driver's car, i.e. the manual transmission makes you feel more connected to both the car and the road, as well as putting the power down much more efficiently, and the suspension/ chassis designed to hold the road. As said previously, we may never see this particular model on US shores, but it may more be Subaru learning from the competition (can you say Evo X..*shudder*), as well as an attempt to make the STi a more mainstream, easily affordable pocket rocket for the masses. IMO, it seems like a huge letdown to Subie enthusiasts as a whole, and all about marketing.. not necessarily who complains the most, but rather the loudest. The left-foot impaired want an STi damn it. Though if they're not willing to learn clutch etiquette...then they don't deserve such a wicked pony in their stable....:furious:

[captainhook]

/\ If they were learning from Mitsu they would have at least made an attempt at a decent trans, lol. The TC-SST shifts lightning quick with very minimal parasitic loss.

[fballman1987]

Normally, I would agree whole-heartedly...but IMO the STi, as a specific model of Subaru's lineup, was meant to be a driver's car, i.e. the manual transmission makes you feel more connected to both the car and the road, as well as putting the power down much more efficiently, and the suspension/ chassis designed to hold the road. As said previously, we may never see this particular model on US shores, but it may more be Subaru learning from the competition (can you say Evo X..*shudder*), as well as an attempt to make the STi a more mainstream, easily affordable pocket rocket for the masses. IMO, it seems like a huge letdown to Subie enthusiasts as a whole, and all about marketing.. not necessarily who complains the most, but rather the loudest. The left-foot impaired want an STi damn it. Though if they're not willing to learn clutch etiquette...then they don't deserve such a wicked pony in their stable....:furious:


well written, thanks for making a valid point instead of bashing the kid like everyone else.

[thunder_lizard]

well written, thanks for making a valid point instead of bashing the kid like everyone else.

Thanks for the heads-up....I try not to bash unless someone is being blatantly stupid..I love my WRX, and while I've yet to drive one for any length of time, would likely give my left nut for an STi ( though with the exception of the turbo and 6 spd, my wagon has enough parts on it could be considered one).

I can see the OP's point.. purists like myself feel performance cars are required, by default, to have a manual trans, and I am no exception, having both built and driven cars that would make the toughest slushbox cry. Subaru has their reasons for doing what they do; if the car in question lives up to expectations, I see it garnering a huge following should it make it to the US; if not, the Subie community at large will make their opinion well known....

[den9]

i see paddle shifters?

[ndubz]

OMG everyone on this page so far. A-MEN.

I'd love to see an Sti with a DCT like the evos that could lap a course 4 sec faster than the manual version. that would be ill. or hows about a CVT that could keep the car at peak boost on command and drag it out. that **** would be incredible.

But what they have done is just make an auto version that holds ZERO merit over the manual whatsoever, and is just a cop out for less serious people to buy a very serious car. I dont believe such a market exists, as the sti only has real fame in the enthusiast crowd. and it is therefore stupid for them to make it more mundane for average people because they wont even really consider it a serious option in that price range when compared to European cars and other flashy luxury brands. therefore if they are going to make an sti w/o a clutch pedal, then it had better have some type of real performance advantage over its manual counterpart. the evo has done it, time for subie to one up them. and stop the half assed, excuse making attitude they have been in since 07.

[ndubz]

i see paddle shifters?

yea, but dont get excited, its a normal auto with tiptronic.

[ndubz]

Thanks for the heads-up....I try not to bash unless someone is being blatantly stupid..I love my WRX, and while I've yet to drive one for any length of time, would likely give my left nut for an STi ( though with the exception of the turbo and 6 spd, my wagon has enough parts on it could be considered one).

I can see the OP's point.. purists like myself feel performance cars are required, by default, to have a manual trans, and I am no exception, having both built and driven cars that would make the toughest slushbox cry. Subaru has their reasons for doing what they do; if the car in question lives up to expectations, I see it garnering a huge following should it make it to the US; if not, the Subie community at large will make their opinion well known....

I dont say all performance cars need a manual tranny, (tho alot of them i frown upon if they dont: porsches, vettes, mustangs, etc) But in this day and age, if it isnt a good old manual, then it had better be one of the new age performance enhancing auto trannies. Ive been in an ISF, the CVT is incredible, so smooth and feels endless, and my friend just got the ralliart, that DCT shifts in less than a blink with no interruption at all and has some real nice paddles.

it can be done. and these days theres no excuse not to do it right.

[pinacup7]

Ive been in an ISF, the CVT is incredible, so smooth and feels endless, and my friend just got the ralliart, that DCT shifts in less than a blink with no interruption at all and has some real nice paddles.

it can be done. and these days theres no excuse not to do it right.

haha thats pretty funny seeing as how the ISF comes with a 8 speed direct shift trans, not a CVT. Only our hybrids have CVT tran's, nice try though. The ISF will chirp 2-6 gear, they are nasty!!

I do agree though a regular slushbox auto does not belong in an STI.

[ndubz]

haha thats pretty funny seeing as how the ISF comes with a 8 speed direct shift trans, not a CVT. Only our hybrids have CVT tran's, nice try though. The ISF will chirp 2-6 gear, they are nasty!!

I do agree though a regular slushbox auto does not belong in an STI.

Well the sales person said CVT to my dad and I

But i deff trust u cuz ur a tech.

Salesmen are retarded

thanks for putting it right

[marshallpre1]

haha thats pretty funny seeing as how the ISF comes with a 8 speed direct shift trans, not a CVT. Only our hybrids have CVT tran's, nice try though. The ISF will chirp 2-6 gear, they are nasty!!

I do agree though a regular slushbox auto does not belong in an STI.

I was gonna say this...

Anyways, I can see what ndubz is saying... but man, you do really need to take a chill pill. it's not good for your heart going ballistic over things that you have no power over

[Scapegoat]

Well the sales person said CVT to my dad and I


this is why you shouldn't talk.

[pinacup7]

Well the sales person said CVT to my dad and I

But i deff trust u cuz ur a tech.

Salesmen are retarded

thanks for putting it right

No problem

[Buster]

Im not going to go back and read your crap. This trans will not be a CVT tranny in this car. It is more than likely a re-geared LGT 5eat. That is not a bad trans at all. Besides the revmatching and super clean shifts yeah its an automatic. What does that matter to you. the car is an option. Subaru made this car more mature and a more mature demographic wants and automatic option. Who gives a ****?

[captainhook]

It is more than likely a re-geared LGT 5eat. That is not a bad trans at all. Besides the revmatching and super clean shifts yeah its an automatic.
I own an LGT with the 5EAT, I've got news for you pal . . . it F*CKING SUCKS! Rev-matching is the only thing it does decently, shifts are far too soft and WAY too slow. If you up the power it bounces off the rev limiter before it can shift, and then causes an over-boost scenario when it finally clunks into gear. If you give it about 10% throttle in manual mode from a stop and let it get up to about 2.5K before shifting, the time between depressing the shift paddle and it engaging second gear is over 2 seconds. The parasitic power loss is also outrageous. The Subaru 5EAT is a complete POS compared to the Mitsu TC-SST found in some of the Lancers. Not to mention the reliability isn't incredible on the Subbie 5EAT either. :o

[CANNIBALOFDOOM]

Finally someone who isnt a douchebag and actually has something to say.

U make a good point about people having better handling cars. I have to say thats something i didnt really consider in my ranting state. But at the same time those soccer moms drive fast enough, and shouldn't be capable of more than 120mph.... they push that as is lol...... let alone 160.

I guess ideally, we give them the sti suspension and chassis with the base 2.5 N/A motor in it. :mrgreen:

they would still get it up to 160 haha

[Buster]

I own an LGT with the 5EAT, I've got news for you pal . . . it F*CKING SUCKS! Rev-matching is the only thing it does decently, shifts are far too soft and WAY too slow. If you up the power it bounces off the rev limiter before it can shift, and then causes an over-boost scenario when it finally clunks into gear. If you give it about 10% throttle in manual mode from a stop and let it get up to about 2.5K before shifting, the time between depressing the shift paddle and it engaging second gear is over 2 seconds. The parasitic power loss is also outrageous. The Subaru 5EAT is a complete POS compared to the Mitsu TC-SST found in some of the Lancers. Not to mention the reliability isn't incredible on the Subbie 5EAT either. :o

I've driven them, I totally understand what you mean. Except Subaru never built the LGT to be a badass street shredding car. It was meant to be more powerful than the cars in its class (at the time) still maintain a certain MPG and comfort. Anyone with an Automatic Subaru knows that even in an automatic WRX they arent geared to be all that fast. But gearing is gearing and gearing can be changed. You don't honestly think they are going to gear this car for 5.5k shifts and 32mpgs do you?

It looks more to me like someone is worried that this car will come out and be better than their car and still be an automatic.

If I remember correctly there was a guy on this forum with an Automatic bugeye with simple bolt ons and a larger turbo running in the 12s. '

Although I like my sports cars to have the extra pedal, it isnt 1972 anymore and we can build a good automatic.

[Supraru]

Its the principle of it. it just is the essence of the new generation bull****.

The sti has been taken from hardcore road rally car badass status down to soccer mom family station wagon status. the wagon was the first step down to compromising the name they had. this just makes it official. The wagon had grown on me actually, so long as the taillights were red. but this just is the last straw. That car is NOT an sti. it just isnt, theres nothing hardcore or awesome about it. and Are they even still officially in WRC at all? cuz last i heard they pulled out all their factory teams. hmmmm goes to show why they began to suck so badly.

Weird, imagine how us Rs guys felt when the wrx came over. They went from a great looking car to an ugly car. I've come to like all models looks wise. I think besides the Rs the new "wagon" as you call it is the best looking wrx. I really don't see the big deal.

Also they are unsure if the cvt can hold the power of the sti right now and on top of that people adding power. You won't see that in a wrx or sti for a little now.

[ndubz]

Weird, imagine how us Rs guys felt when the wrx came over. They went from a great looking car to an ugly car. I've come to like all models looks wise. I think besides the Rs the new "wagon" as you call it is the best looking wrx. I really don't see the big deal.

Also they are unsure if the cvt can hold the power of the sti right now and on top of that people adding power. You won't see that in a wrx or sti for a little now.

Good points brah....good points.

Im done whoring in this thread, cuz Forza is out and I now have something else to do in my free time. Obvs i'll be checking back to see whats new on tst everyday, but im done bickering on this topic for now. I'll deff still have normal discussions.

But as is now, my opinion on this Auto sti thing stands as it began. I hate it. But my opinion on autos in general has changed a bit thanks to some of you who shone the light of knowledge down upon me :lol: but id still take a stick on most sports cars any day because the experience is just better in every way.

[captainhook]

I've driven them, I totally understand what you mean. Except Subaru never built the LGT to be a badass street shredding car. It was meant to be more powerful than the cars in its class (at the time) still maintain a certain MPG and comfort. Anyone with an Automatic Subaru knows that even in an automatic WRX they arent geared to be all that fast. But gearing is gearing and gearing can be changed. You don't honestly think they are going to gear this car for 5.5k shifts and 32mpgs do you?
Although I like my sports cars to have the extra pedal, it isnt 1972 anymore and we can build a good automatic.

Gearing quite honestly isn't the issue, it's the uber soft shifts, laggy shift response after the paddle is depressed, and the extreme parasitic power loss that are the main problems. And I realize it's not built to be a street shredding car, if one were running a GT30R they should expect issues, but not with a stock turbo and 250whp. 250whp is more than the stock 5EAT can properly handle . . . but check out what the Mitsu SST trans will put up with:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/mitsubishi-tc-sst-discussion-all-equipped-models/367308-ams-tunes-another-evo-x-mr-sst-transmission.html

Subaru can do much better than the LGT 5EAT.

[Supraru]

Gearing quite honestly isn't the issue, it's the uber soft shifts, laggy shift response after the paddle is depressed, and the extreme parasitic power loss that are the main problems. And I realize it's not built to be a street shredding car, if one were running a GT30R they should expect issues, but not with a stock turbo and 250whp. 250whp is more than the stock 5EAT can properly handle . . . but check out what the Mitsu SST trans will put up with:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/mitsubishi-tc-sst-discussion-all-equipped-models/367308-ams-tunes-another-evo-x-mr-sst-transmission.html

Subaru can do much better than the LGT 5EAT.

I'm curious why you're comparing an automatic out of a performance car such as a mitsu evo opposed to a Legacy gt which lets face it is not something they are marketing for performance.

[ah303]

autos suck

[captainhook]

I'm curious why you're comparing an automatic out of a performance car such as a mitsu evo opposed to a Legacy gt which lets face it is not something they are marketing for performance.

Because others here are claiming the LGT's 5EAT is going into the Auto STi . . . which I'm saying is entirely inappropriate. That trans is insufficient in the LGT, let alone in the STi.

[JC Turbo]

the new sti is ugly as ****ing ****. so who cares?

[Supraru]

Because others here are claiming the LGT's 5EAT is going into the Auto STi . . . which I'm saying is entirely inappropriate. That trans is insufficient in the LGT, let alone in the STi.

I'm still really not getting it. Is anyone here buying an automatic sti? Then who cares.

[jpalamar]

Because others here are claiming the LGT's 5EAT is going into the Auto STi . . . which I'm saying is entirely inappropriate. That trans is insufficient in the LGT, let alone in the STi.

1. Who cares

2. You honestly think they would beef it up before they put it in and adjust the ECU to shift appropriatly

3. Again, who cares

[HickRocket1258]

I don't know much about Subaru's but I think an automatic is fine in there. I love automatics, I might just go purchase this car. No need to whine about somethign pointless like this.

[russiankid]

Did you even drive that car? Don't think so.

[captainhook]

I'm still really not getting it. Is anyone here buying an automatic sti? Then who cares.

If an automatic STi was available for under ~38K when I bought my LGT, I would have bought it. There is a market for the car, albeit not as large as the manual market. It would be a nice option if they did it right.

[R22B]

I drive an auto WRX. The amount of "abuse" I put the trans through, its not even as much slipped or given me any trouble. It's the most solid auto trans I've ever driven. Hell, I did donuts in a parking lot for 15 minutes and started smelling trans fluid. As far as I know wrx auto > wrx man. Sure, its has its boring moments but I tend to shift it manually through 1 to 3. I'd love to pick up one of these, though: http://www.levelten.com/transmission_computor_p/sta-610-5000.htm

I eat a lot of crap for driving an auto WRX, but the truth is, until I have to shell out money for a new trans, I'm sticking by what I say.

[jpalamar]

I drive an auto WRX. The amount of "abuse" I put the trans through, its not even as much slipped or given me any trouble. It's the most solid auto trans I've ever driven. Hell, I did donuts in a parking lot for 15 minutes and started smelling trans fluid. As far as I know wrx auto > wrx man. Sure, its has its boring moments but I tend to shift it manually through 1 to 3. I'd love to pick up one of these, though: http://www.levelten.com/transmission_computor_p/sta-610-5000.htm

I eat a lot of crap for driving an auto WRX, but the truth is, until I have to shell out money for a new trans, I'm sticking by what I say.

+1 All real racers are using autos anymore. Computers are so much smarter and faster then a person. Not to mention consistant. Yes, I do love my manual, but I know I could drive better with an auto.

[olletsocmit]

agree with troll. silver concept in back is something i would def drive!@!@

I'll take that silver concept-looking thing in the back. Wazzat?

And its funny, cause there are plenty of GC owners out there who say that YOUR STi is a watered down boat and that it isnt a true STi.

[motorvated]

just a very off the wall idea but.....dont buy an auto sti if you dont like it? I dunno, seems reasonable to me.

[Jrose152]

some people just don't like to drive manuel

[Eclipse GSX 61]

Minus the transmission the car looks alright. That interior is so badass.

[cmw0021]

Personally, I dont like the wagon.