What can you tell me about the EVO

[CleanNeon98]

Not 100% set on this yet, but I think I am growing out of my car. It's great and all, but lately I've had urges for something different, and the EVO came on the list because it's reasonably priced, can make great power, and still handle like a monster.

What can you tell me about the 8?
What can you tell me about the 9? Is the MIVEC worth the extra coin?
What can you tell me about the 9MR? Is the MR really worth the extra coin?

[Nick Merrone]

alex do not even consider the ten. PLEASE. haha.
I can tell you this..

evo = sex. but ill miss the miata..

[CleanNeon98]

10 is too much money for me and I think they are ugly.

At auction, an 05 EVO9 in good condition with around 50k miles sells for 12-14k

[jeffroevoix]

I can tell you I love my evo:mrgreen:

The 8's are great if you plan to do alot of mods. Large turbo drag car/ serious time attack car

The 9's are great for a few mods, stock or small turbo car. The stock 9 turbo is better than the 8.

The mr's are nice, but the 6 speeds are a little weaker.

The important thing is to buy a well maintained car. Whether it be a 8 or 9. Be picky and it will pay off in the long run:thumbup:

[CleanNeon98]

I can tell you I love my evo:mrgreen:

The 8's are great if you plan to do alot of mods. Large turbo drag car/ serious time attack car

The 9's are great for a few mods, stock or small turbo car. The stock 9 turbo is better than the 8.

The mr's are nice, but the 6 speeds are a little weaker.

The important thing is to buy a well maintained car. Whether it be a 8 or 9. Be picky and it will pay off in the long run:thumbup:
Do you mean the 8 is better for bigger mods? How so? I'd be satisfied with around 300awhp for a while, which I understand is attainable in either car.

[240sxDann]

I think he means the 9's turbo is a better turbo, so if you plan on NOT changing the turbo, go with the 9 since it's better. If you plan on swapping out the turbo go with the 8, cheaper anyways.

[05Accent]

Best decision iv ever seen you make on here.

[jeffroevoix]

Do you mean the 8 is better for bigger mods? How so? I'd be satisfied with around 300awhp for a while, which I understand is attainable in either car.


Its not better, but you will get rid of the stock 9 turbo and mivec if you want really big power so you better off starting with the cheaper 8.

300 is no problem with either car, but a 9 will do it with less mods

I made 300+ with a cone filter, Turboback exhaust, and boost control on my 9

[jeffroevoix]

I think he means the 9's turbo is a better turbo, so if you plan on NOT changing the turbo, go with the 9 since it's better. If you plan on swapping out the turbo go with the 8, cheaper anyways.

Yea whay he said:thumbup:

[CleanNeon98]

Best decision iv ever seen you make on here.
Cool? :roll: Don't really know what you're trying to say with this...

[ASIAN JUL]

Could've been a harmless compliment, relax.

I can tell you that the interiors are boring and lackluster but the sound and power makes up for it :inlove:

[CleanNeon98]

Only thing with the EVO is I don't know how fun it will be to drive. My car I can make it grip, and then I can toss it around and make it under/oversteer, the EVO has the computer controlled crap that I think may be too focused. It will suck if I want to make it handle like my car and all it will want to do is grip, haven't driven one though yet so I'll reserve my judgement for then.

[reeksti]

Why not look into a wrx/sti? Sorry for off topic.

[CleanNeon98]

Why not look into a wrx/sti? Sorry for off topic.
Handling isn't as sharp from what I understand. They tend to understeer a bit.

[Elliott18t]

how about an R32 then.. mk4 style lol. Maybe be underpowered but handles well enough to hold its own, but not beat sti/evo of same gen. I can find the article

[JB'sLGT]

Not sure if you're interested but my friend that works at Acura in Turnersville said they just got an Evo 8 or 9 on a trade-in. It sounds like it is pretty well modded. He doesn't know cars and I haven't checked it out in person but he said it has a meth tank in the trunk.

[CleanNeon98]

Not sure if you're interested but my friend that works at Acura in Turnersville said they just got an Evo 8 or 9 on a trade-in. It sounds like it is pretty well modded. He doesn't know cars and I haven't checked it out in person but he said it has a meth tank in the trunk.
Don't want something that modded, and not ready to buy yet, just looking for info.
how about an R32 then.. mk4 style lol. Maybe be underpowered but handles well enough to hold its own, but not beat sti/evo of same gen. I can find the article
I will never own a VW.

[Elliott18t]

well thats unfortunate lol.

[HickRocket1258]

You will be one of the many people on here that own one.

[CleanNeon98]

well thats unfortunate lol.
What's unfortunate about it? It costs only a little cheaper than the EVO but doesn't have 4 doors, no turbo, less cargo space, and as a VW is known to be more problematic. If you want to talk luxuries, my friend has a MK4 golf, every panel in the interior is making some kind of noise, and there's not enough performance to justify it, even on the R32.

Thanks but no thanks, and I won't turn this into another Anti-VW thread, I will just say that I will never own one.

[jpalamar]

Handling isn't as sharp from what I understand. They tend to understeer a bit.

I bet you won't be able to tell the difference. STi interior is so much better and they are basically the same car.

Def remove that dumb ass spoiler.

[arkadyzv]

Man oh man. What happened to ZOMG miata4everbffs? What about that sweet ass roll bar and all the handling it was going to do on the track yo. Can't fix your turd so you're gonna get a new car , lol, fail.

[Elliott18t]

agreed, the STI interior is slightly better than the evo. Not by much either. Track wise, I think at most peoples skill level on here, they are going to be basically the same.

[CleanNeon98]

Man oh man. What happened to ZOMG miata4everbffs? What about that sweet ass roll bar and all the handling it was going to do on the track yo. Can't fix your turd so you're gonna get a new car , lol, fail.
I already told you, whenever you wanna get proper wheels and stance on the LGT, I'll school you in the corners :-p

Lets keep this to EVO discussion, and only from EVO owners.

[russiankid]

I already told you, whenever you wanna get proper wheels and stance on the LGT, I'll school you in the corners :-p

Lets keep this to EVO discussion, and only from EVO owners.

Actually, you won't do that until you get your car running right.:banned:



What makes your car so boring all of the sudden?

[Elliott18t]

its breaking? :P

[jpalamar]

only from EVO owners.

Then post on an EVO forum?:bigeek: SORRY, had to.

[CleanNeon98]

Actually, you won't do that until you get your car running right.:banned:



What makes your car so boring all of the sudden?
LOL lack of power just means better handling :lol:

It's not boring, just kinda itching for something more.

[arkadyzv]

I already told you, whenever you wanna get proper wheels and stance on the LGT, I'll school you in the corners :-p

Lets keep this to EVO discussion, and only from EVO owners.


Edmunds.com
"The standard Miata is a sporty yet affordable roadster. Aided by a turbocharger and an array of chassis upgrades, the Mazdaspeed version is a full-blown sports car."

Can't get an evo , it aint a sports car especially not a full-blown(aids) sports car like the MSM. If you get a Subaru, TST will implode, I will definitely sell mine.

You must live up to your roots and keep it OG. Time for another clean neon of the 1998 variety.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3733/2884442530085776385lozjzf9.jpg

As far as the corners, in its current condition, the only way its faster in the corners is if you detour off a cliff.

[alwaysinboost]

Evo's handle bad above 80mph. They get very light, like they want to float away, thats why mitsu put the wing on the back.
they are also full of understeer and the interiors are cheap. plus, they break all the time, the TC & trans are wear items and they need to be replaced very often. when it breaks, and its a matter of when, forget about mitsu honoring their warranty. I won't even talk about how crappy the stock clutch is. Alot of my friends have them and they all tell me this first hand.

[Elliott18t]

^ sounds like a load of fun...

[tomustang]

but he said it has a meth tank in the trunk.

First thing I thought...

http://www.meth-addiction.org/img/meth%20lab.jpg

[Kevin]

10 is too much money for me and I think they are ugly.

At auction, an 05 EVO9 in good condition with around 50k miles sells for 12-14k


05 is an 8. Regardless, an 05 with 50k would be about 20k.

From what I've heard, the evo 9's turbo is made of different metal which improves its efficiency.

[jeffroevoix]

Kevin is on point

Evo's handle bad above 80mph. They get very light, like they want to float away, thats why mitsu put the wing on the back.
they are also full of understeer and the interiors are cheap. plus, they break all the time, the TC & trans are wear items and they need to be replaced very often. when it breaks, and its a matter of when, forget about mitsu honoring their warranty. I won't even talk about how crappy the stock clutch is. Alot of my friends have them and they all tell me this first hand.

Easy fixes.
I rock 2 wings and im good to 144mph.
understeer is a bitch so I rock r comps up front and snows out back
Chunky chicken noddle soup seems to fix drivetrain issues.
who uses a clutch?
As far as warranty goes just drop your car off and leave it there, it will get fixed eventually:lol:

[Scapegoat]

alex, how about you fix your car and do it right before you buy a perfectly good evo and destroy that too.

you're only tired of the MSM because you ****ed it up. i think it's time you bit the bullet and have a professional look at the car and see whats wrong with it.

it's a sweet little car dude, but you messed it up thinking you're the **** behind the wheel, when you are not. props for doing **** to it... get it fixed though

[evomike]

Evos are garbage the paint is terrible, the interior is trash, countless clinks and clunks, brembos fade and peel, if you don't really know how to drive you will go through a clutch every 14k(plenty of people tell me they can drive and destroy clutches in theese cars it's differet), fuel economy is terrible, the recaros break the list goes on and on fix your car before you get ideas like this.

[CleanNeon98]

alex, how about you fix your car and do it right before you buy a perfectly good evo and destroy that too.

you're only tired of the MSM because you ****ed it up. i think it's time you bit the bullet and have a professional look at the car and see whats wrong with it.

it's a sweet little car dude, but you messed it up thinking you're the **** behind the wheel, when you are not. props for doing **** to it... get it fixed though
If I test everything and can't fix it, it will go to a specialist, otherwise, no thanks. And I didn't **** it up because of lack of driving skill, not like I went drifting, jumped a curb, and am now complaining about issues lol

[ndubz]

From what it sounds like, u should go for the evo9. U want 300whp, not a tough goal at all, and if u want more, Ive heard the 9s can pretty easily make 350+whp on a stock turbo on pump gas. (dont absolutely quote me there, just going off what Ive heard from evo people) and the mivec is great to have. (youll have vtak w/ a turbo lol)

as far ur assumptions on the sti, at the limit (which is quite high) it can understeer, but if u have enough power (300 ish is good) and ur in rear bias on the DCCD, u will have no problem getting the over steer u want (ive done it many times, even drifted in 3rd under boost and an evo could never do that because their inline 4 has torque force of an aborted fetus). its called knowing how to drive ur car and I know ud figure it out, u dont drive an sti like an evo, and vis versa. With an evo, u need to be in boost if u want to go anywhere.

I made that choice a while back comparing the 04 sti and the evo 8. I chose the sti because it is a better overall car in those years. (07+ id choose the evo in a second)

good luck with ur decision here. Both cars are great and u cant make a bad choice. but if its all evos.....choose the 9

[ndubz]

Evos are garbage the paint is terrible, the interior is trash, countless clinks and clunks, brembos fade and peel, if you don't really know how to drive you will go through a clutch every 14k(plenty of people tell me they can drive and destroy clutches in theese cars it's differet), fuel economy is terrible, the recaros break the list goes on and on fix your car before you get ideas like this.

yea lol theyre built like **** compared to subarus. at least for 03-06 haha

[evomike]

I would say the same about a Subaru neither is a quality well buil car they both have huge faults it's just what you wanna deal with.

[Supraru]

Evos are garbage the paint is terrible, the interior is trash, countless clinks and clunks, brembos fade and peel, if you don't really know how to drive you will go through a clutch every 14k(plenty of people tell me they can drive and destroy clutches in theese cars it's differet), fuel economy is terrible, the recaros break the list goes on and on fix your car before you get ideas like this.

My buddy put 63k miles on his stock evo 8 clutch with half of that time running 300 whp. :lol: Guess it depends on the driver. Wish he still had it though.

[CleanNeon98]

From the owner responses it sounds like I don't want to get involved with either EVO, what I am gathering from this is that they are flimsy.

[Vr-4-Life]

Sti>evo

[evomike]

Not flimsy they can handle power and such but the problems are more of a paint and interior build quality.

[92sileighty]

evomike just doesn't want you apart of the evo community lol

[evomike]

No I could care less who owns an Evo most people buythem who think they can drive and smash them anyway

[mcperson2k]

Sti's are for men, Evos are for kids.

[Evo8kid]

^but 90% of evos have more power for less and better handling than the Sti's?

evo is a good car, if you know what your doing. Take the price of the car and add 10k cause since your buying used thats what the car will cost you in parts (mods or replacment) over the time span of you owning it. Doing serious mods to the evo is only for the select few who can accept the fact that if you piss it off, it will decide to break itself. You need to be in good mental health to mess with one. but sometimes its worth it.

[mcperson2k]

^but 90% of evos have more power for less and better handling than the Sti's?


So? 90% of Evos are driven by kids, which is why they are modded so much more. I wouldn't care if they came stock with 400hp. Sti's are way nicer cars.

[evomike]

Way nicer ha neither is a nice car period they are both cheap economy cars with a good hp motor and awe that is it. To say either is a nice car is kinda funny a BMW is nice a Benz is nice a Mitsubishi or Subaru is an affordable car.

[mcperson2k]

Way nicer ha neither is a nice car period they are both cheap economy cars with a good hp motor and awe that is it. To say either is a nice car is kinda funny a BMW is nice a Benz is nice a Mitsubishi or Subaru is an affordable car.

I think you took my concept of nice, and stretched it out a bit passed "Wow, they are the sweetest cars I have ever seen with my own two eyes"

Oh, and by the way. We must totally live on two separate sides of the train tracks if you think either car is an ecobox.

[97TurboDSM]

good luck finding an unmolested evo at auction with 50k miles for 12-14k.

[05Accent]

Cool? :roll: Don't really know what you're trying to say with this...

again...I think that buying an evo is the best decision you have ever made on here. idk what else you want.

[CleanNeon98]

again...I think that buying an evo is the best decision you have ever made on here. idk what else you want.
I took it as a "your current car sucks" thing.

Seems like a great car but not for me however. I'll either look for something similar performing in the sub 15k range wholesale, or just dump some more money into the Miata, plenty of other mods to do :)

[97TurboDSM]

i think doing more to the miata is the best decision. dumping a car because it frustrates you isnt the solution and you're bound to be frustrated all over again with a new (different) car. do another boost leak test, the right way, and go from there.

[CleanNeon98]

i think doing more to the miata is the best decision. dumping a car because it frustrates you isnt the solution and you're bound to be frustrated all over again with a new (different) car. do another boost leak test, the right way, and go from there.
Nah, it's not related to the problems the Miata is having, I just have a hard time keeping my cars for a long time and its been a year and a half with this. If I hadn't put money into it already, I wouldn't care about letting it go, but I feel that somewhere during the part-out, I would change my mind. The car is really nice to drive, tons of fun, and reliable aside from it's own quirks, I dunno...just kinda want more power, and there are ways to do it with this car, no big numbers, but the light weight makes up for it.

We'll see what happens.

[Forc3 F3d]

what auctions are you finding evo's for that cheap?

[CleanNeon98]

Manheim, dealer auction.

[xEJ20x]

This is gonna get interesting.

[CleanNeon98]

I've pretty much gotten the info I need. I was on the money about performance but not so much handling, and interior quality, along with higher rate and more expensive maintenance.

[Got Insulin?]

Why don't you go drive it for yourserlf, and then come back and consult the intrawebs, instead of the reverse?

[kjc227]

they sux ass stick 2 ur meata...

[igo4bmx]

Not 100% set on this yet, but I think I am growing out of my car.


jenny craig!

[ndubz]

^but 90% of evos have more power for less and better handling than the Sti's?

evo is a good car, if you know what your doing. Take the price of the car and add 10k cause since your buying used thats what the car will cost you in parts (mods or replacment) over the time span of you owning it. Doing serious mods to the evo is only for the select few who can accept the fact that if you piss it off, it will decide to break itself. You need to be in good mental health to mess with one. but sometimes its worth it.

In the same way a woman has both a vagina and tits, but a man only has his willy. but a women also has many other problems like childbirth and PMS. stis have bulletproof trannys and solid ass build quality and reliability. evos have fragile trannys (when it breaks, its like childbirth) and ****ty build quality resulting in more problems. (the equivalent of bleeding once a month)

cars are about more than just numbers. People who really are smart about cars know that. Idiots are the ones rambling on about "this one makes more power blaaaahhhh" (simple fact any car can make alot of power with the right amount of money so that point is irrelevant) Cars are about the drive and the way it makes u feel. This the subaru kicks the evo's ass in. The feel is better with all that torque. and the sound is better by 1000 fold. also comparitive build quality between the two, the sti win this hands down. the main reason i didnt buy an evo was because the interior was like a basic rental car. Now i know my stis interior isnt amazing, but its one helluva lot better than the **** in the evo. Unless ur insecure and need a dyno slip to help u feel good about urself, for these years ur looking at. the Sti is all around a better car.

And the way people talk about the performance is retarded. Both these cars are INSANELY fast, especially with 300whp. an sti with 300whp does 0-60 in as low as 3.7 sec, that is NOTHING to scoff at whatsoever. a 300whp evo would probly pull low 4 sec 0-60 cuz its cant launch even close to the subie cuz of its non existent low end torque. the evo may go on to pull ahead after that, but eith way, both of these cars offer incredible performance. u really cant go wrong with either, but if ur not feeling the evo, check out the subies. u wont regret it.

[evomike]

An Evo 8 or 9 can be launched perfecty fine they get out of the hole perfectly fine, the stis only argument is it has blue carpet the handling is worse the performance is worse and engine reliability is way worse.

[ndubz]

An Evo 8 or 9 can be launched perfecty fine they get out of the hole perfectly fine, the stis only argument is it has blue carpet the handling is worse the performance is worse and engine reliability is way worse.

if uve driven an sti and are saying it handles worse, then u deff dont know the proper technique. and yes we have our blue carpets thank u very much. and you just keep on telling urself and evo will launch as good as an sti...seriously bro whatever helps u sleep at night. But in trying to even come close, u will proby bust ur tranny....... so sad.

Evos have top end on us...... that is all. stis are far more planted in the corners if the driver knows how to handle it.

[Forc3 F3d]

An Evo 8 or 9 can be launched perfecty fine they get out of the hole perfectly fine, the stis only argument is it has blue carpet the handling is worse the performance is worse and engine reliability is way worse.

x2

and 300hp weaksauce

[Forc3 F3d]

if uve driven an sti and are saying it handles worse, then u deff dont know the proper technique. and yes we have our blue carpets thank u very much. and you just keep on telling urself and evo will launch as good as an sti...seriously bro whatever helps u sleep at night. But in trying to even come close, u will proby bust ur tranny....... so sad.

Evos have top end on us...... that is all. stis are far more planted in the corners if the driver knows how to handle it.
he'll bust a tranny while you toast a piston moron

[evomike]

I've driven plenty of sti's An they dot handle as well and blow my tranny that makes me laugh, it hasn't blown yet and I make way more power then you. The sti is way more fragile and it makes me laugh you bring up our transmissions how does that motor hold up that's right it doesn't it blows the hell up. Show me where the sti is faster or handles better it just doesn't comparrisons back when they were new would say the sti is scary to drive on edge it isn't as good as a drivers car as the Evo is plain and simple.

[Evo8kid]

stis have bulletproof trannys and solid ass build quality and reliability. evos have fragile trannys (when it breaks, its like childbirth) and ****ty build quality resulting in more problems. (the equivalent of bleeding once a month)



I disagree. I dont think the evo trans are more prone to failure. If not driven properly, as any other trans, it will break. Both cars have solid reliablity, it just seems to be misconstrued that evos break a lot more for whatever reason. It is a extremly reliable car when taken care of and not hack, like any other car

[ndubz]

I've driven plenty of sti's An they dot handle as well and blow my tranny that makes me laugh, it hasn't blown yet and I make way more power then you. The sti is way more fragile and it makes me laugh you bring up our transmissions how does that motor hold up that's right it doesn't it blows the hell up. Show me where the sti is faster or handles better it just doesn't comparrisons back when they were new would say the sti is scary to drive on edge it isn't as good as a drivers car as the Evo is plain and simple.

thats just because it takes a real driver to handle it. Like a porsche, theres a special technique to it. being an evo driver and used to that, u probly do it wrong. And my motor is fine thank you. yea I know what ur talking about, but u boys have to build urs 50whp after us. not a huge difference, and when ours are done, bye bye evo's advantage. U keep on thinking all that. but i did this comparison quite thoroughly and came out with the scoob. theres reasons why.

Alex go drive all ur options, if u want a new car, have fun with the situation.

[ndubz]

I disagree. I dont think the evo trans are more prone to failure. If not driven properly, as any other trans, it will break. Both cars have solid reliablity, it just seems to be misconstrued that evos break a lot more for whatever reason. It is a extremly reliable car when taken care of and not hack, like any other car

Yes, but were having an argument here :thumbup: ......GOSH noob!!!!!!!

[Forc3 F3d]

thats just because it takes a real driver to handle it. Like a porsche, theres a special technique to it. being an evo driver and used to that, u probly do it wrong. And my motor is fine thank you. yea I know what ur talking about, but u boys have to build urs 50whp after us. not a huge difference, and when ours are done, bye bye evo's advantage. U keep on thinking all that. but i did this comparison quite thoroughly and came out with the scoob. theres reasons why.

Alex go drive all ur options, if u want a new car, have fun with the situation.

what comparison was that?:lol: only thing i can think of with a sti would be the sound... thats ALL you have on an evo. other than that they are far less superior than you believe NOOB.

[evomike]

It's like a Porsche and i'm doing it wrong, I have owned alot of different cars I know how to drie alot of things porsches included and they don't handle as well plain an simple and stock Evo motors will hold 550whp no problem you are uneducated, therebia a reason people build Evo track cars it is more of a drivers car plain and simple you can't argue that fact.

[Nick Merrone]

jenny craig!

HAHAHAHAHAHA HYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

[MPowerKai]

everywhere ndubz posts Porsche is always brought it......


just sayin

[Forc3 F3d]

everywhere ndubz posts Porsche is always brought it......


just sayin

i was honestly going to say the same think hahahahaha :lol:

[Nick Merrone]

everywhere ndubz posts Porsche is always brought it......


just sayin

yep on facebook too.

[nrgotenk]

240 sidewayz > evo > sti any day

[evomike]

Does he own a Porsche cause I own 2 an I picked an Evo like tons of pca track guys.

[ndubz]

It's like a Porsche and i'm doing it wrong, I have owned alot of different cars I know how to drie alot of things porsches included and they don't handle as well plain an simple and stock Evo motors will hold 550whp no problem you are uneducated, therebia a reason people build Evo track cars it is more of a drivers car plain and simple you can't argue that fact.

u dont think porsches handle well either? now I know u dont know how to drive them or subies. hahahahaha have fun with ur evo. stay with what u know. it seems to be working for u.

and 550 is for the block, ours is good to 500, same ****. im talking pistons. and guess what, a full cosworth motor is pure savagery, so i dont mind :)

and 550whp is far more than 98% of sti/evo owners will ever see/ be able to handle. and at that power level all sorts of **** is gonna break anyway on any car meant to have only 300bhp stock, so at that level both sides will be spending all sorts of money on their cars to keep them going anyway, so that point is irrelevant.

so whats ur evo currently running? just wondering

[MPowerKai]

Does he own a Porsche cause I own 2 an I picked an Evo like tons of pca track guys.

There are different aspects of both cars i like and dislike. I like the Evo motor but I dislike 5 speed, the MR fixed that though. I like the STi gauge cluster and steering wheel but I don't like the all blue interior, the Limited fixed that though. I like the razor sharp handling of the Evo but I like how the STi rides a little softer. If you could meld the 2 cars together into one, THAT would be a great car but as they sit they both have their pro's and con's. I wouldn't be able to decide on either.....thats why I don't own either :-p

[evomike]

Who said porsches don't handle well, pca members built Evo track cars because it was cheaper to maintain then a 911. I never said they don't handle well, and my car on low boost 17 psi make 445 I'll leave it at that.

[Forc3 F3d]

and 550whp is far more than 98% of sti/evo owners will ever see/ be able to handle. and at that power level all sorts of **** is gonna break anyway on any car meant to have only 300bhp stock, so at that level both sides will be spending all sorts of money on their cars to keep them going anyway, so that point is irrelevant.


wrong... you are just so soo stupid

[MPowerKai]

u dont think porsches handle well either?

You can't compare the handling of a Porsche and Subaru. Trying to make a Porsche perform the way you want it to around a track is tough, especially if you take off all the computer assistance. The Subaru is much easier to drive.

I know many people who have driven both and thought the Evo's handling was better, including 1 ex class 3 rally driver


*edit*

I'm not bias either, I've owned an impreza but never an evo

[ndubz]

Who said porsches don't handle well, pca members built Evo track cars because it was cheaper to maintain then a 911. I never said they don't handle well, and my car on low boost 17 psi make 445 I'll leave it at that.

Im not denying the evo being a good car, but we are having an argument here, and were at that point now where its more about being the argument that what the argument was about. So with that I ask u what do u mostly use ur 445hp evo for driving wise these days? cuz on the some of the roads out my way ud probly kill urself with that much power if u got on it at all. and my car is being made to suit those roads, which is why i dont think i want to go over 400. its not that my car cant. But I will continue to look down my nose at evos as flimsy dyno queens with crap inline 4s in them that sound like weedwackers :-p

and I'll look at ur post again but I though u said somewhere in there that porsches dont handle well. And yes my family has owned 2 porsches but Ive also driven 3 others. Boxters, 911s, 944s, and a cayenne. so I do have some porsche experience. all have been driven hard except the cayenne (it was a manual V6, one of 18 in the country) I learned stick and performance driving on my dads 944S2. And I was taught some driving techniques by an ex Porsche professional race driver. So yes, i know a few porsches and I will continue to learn more. Im in the PCA aswell. what kinds of porsches do u have?

[evomike]

I don't own a street car

[ndubz]

You can't compare the handling of a Porsche and Subaru. Trying to make a Porsche perform the way you want it to around a track is tough, especially if you take off all the computer assistance. The Subaru is much easier to drive.

I know many people who have driven both and thought the Evo's handling was better, including 1 ex class 3 rally driver


*edit*

I'm not bias either, I've owned an impreza but never an evo

Actually, the technique for the subaru and the 911 are very similar in many ways because both cars are prone to understeer at the limit.

And that is why porsche drivers are some of the best i the world, cuz theyve tamed that beast.

[ndubz]

I don't own a street car

then what do u own? I know race cars too. no need to be so mysterious lol

[evomike]

I own an Evo but it's not a streetcar and I don't know hat this new setup will make when it goes together.

[ndubz]

I own an Evo but it's not a streetcar and I don't know hat this new setup will make when it goes together.

O i thought u meant the porsches.

ok i see why ur running that much then. my car is my DD and im not all about the highways if i can choose the twisty B roads

what are ur porsches?

[evomike]

I'd totally dd it with 700whp buy my truck is comfy

[TalonTsi97]

And the way people talk about the performance is retarded. Both these cars are INSANELY fast, especially with 300whp. an sti with 300whp does 0-60 in as low as 3.7 sec, that is NOTHING to scoff at whatsoever. a 300whp evo would probly pull low 4 sec 0-60 cuz its cant launch even close to the subie cuz of its non existent low end torque. the evo may go on to pull ahead after that,
[/QUOTE]

I've never seen a subie launch like an evo in any form or racing. Drag, scca, street, or wherever. Please go to the next evo vs wrx showdown at etown and watch 99% of subarus get raped, then come out to the next Warminster SCCA event and watch all the subarus get handled there as well.
I don't really agree on the subaru sounding better then an evo. I like the way the boxer sounds because it is unique but there are a lot of evo's that sound better but that's my opinion. I know a ton of people who say subarus sound like **** and would never own one cause of that.

I'm not really going to get in this debate because its pointless. Some people are die hard/bandwagon fans of each brand and are biased, and there is also people who have driven/owned both and prefer one or the other. The only way to really know is to actually drive them yourself and go from there. The arguing is pointless.

[MPowerKai]

Actually, the technique for the subaru and the 911 are very similar in many ways because both cars are prone to understeer at the limit.

And that is why porsche drivers are some of the best i the world, cuz theyve tamed that beast.

how can you have the same technique for a rear engine awd vehicle made for the ring and a front engine awd vehicle made for rally?

[Supraru]

I took it as a "your current car sucks" thing.

Seems like a great car but not for me however. I'll either look for something similar performing in the sub 15k range wholesale, or just dump some more money into the Miata, plenty of other mods to do :)

When you're a car guy if you have a car that isn't really keeping you happy it's either time for more upgrades or move on to better things. I feel your pain. That's why I swapped. :lol:

[Supraru]

I've never seen a subie launch like an evo in any form or racing. Drag, scca, street, or wherever. Please go to the next evo vs wrx showdown at etown and watch 99% of subarus get raped, then come out to the next Warminster SCCA event and watch all the subarus get handled there as well.
I don't really agree on the subaru sounding better then an evo. I like the way the boxer sounds because it is unique but there are a lot of evo's that sound better but that's my opinion. I know a ton of people who say subarus sound like **** and would never own one cause of that.

I'm not really going to get in this debate because its pointless. Some people are die hard/bandwagon fans of each brand and are biased, and there is also people who have driven/owned both and prefer one or the other. The only way to really know is to actually drive them yourself and go from there. The arguing is pointless.[/QUOTE]

I think there are far more evo drivers that drag race far more frequently. And that first gear in the 6speeds is way to short. It would probably be a little different if people had a nice 5 speed that was reliable to launch hard. I guess it's all hear say though. I always notice that when I'm watching subie vs evo showdowns. Those Evo's rip out of the whole like a bat out of hell.

[ndubz]

how can you have the same technique for a rear engine awd vehicle made for the ring and a front engine awd vehicle made for rally?

Notice how I said, "very similar" not "identical"

[CleanNeon98]

Ndubz, can you not post in my threads? This was regarding questions about an EVO, not how awesome Subarus and Porsches are, believe me, I've driven plenty of both, and if I had questions about them, I'd ask.

[TalonTsi97]

Alex, honestly unless your ready to pay reasonable money for an evo your probably getting someone elses problem and it will get frustrating quick. Your car is unique and you know the history on it, if it were up to me I'd mod it a little more and start doing more SCCA events or some type of racing to get the thrill back into the car.
If your set on buying an evo a 5spd IX would be the best choice IMO.

[CleanNeon98]

Alex, honestly unless your ready to pay reasonable money for an evo your probably getting someone elses problem and it will get frustrating quick. Your car is unique and you know the history on it, if it were up to me I'd mod it a little more and start doing more SCCA events or some type of racing to get the thrill back into the car.
If your set on buying an evo a 5spd IX would be the best choice IMO.
Yea I agree with you. I want something faster in a straight line and that can still handle well, but the current car is so much fun all around, I don't know if I could sell it. Top down, music up, flying down river road, probbably the most fun I've had. I'd miss it for the convertible aspect alone, and terminator cobra verts are $$$$$$

[Kevin]

Manheim, dealer auction.

Funny, my moms boss searched Manheim the other day and found 0 evos.

In the same way a woman has both a vagina and tits, but a man only has his willy. but a women also has many other problems like childbirth and PMS. stis have bulletproof trannys and solid ass build quality and reliability. evos have fragile trannys (when it breaks, its like childbirth) and ****ty build quality resulting in more problems. (the equivalent of bleeding once a month)

cars are about more than just numbers. People who really are smart about cars know that. Idiots are the ones rambling on about "this one makes more power blaaaahhhh" (simple fact any car can make alot of power with the right amount of money so that point is irrelevant) Cars are about the drive and the way it makes u feel. This the subaru kicks the evo's ass in. The feel is better with all that torque. and the sound is better by 1000 fold. also comparitive build quality between the two, the sti win this hands down. the main reason i didnt buy an evo was because the interior was like a basic rental car. Now i know my stis interior isnt amazing, but its one helluva lot better than the **** in the evo. Unless ur insecure and need a dyno slip to help u feel good about urself, for these years ur looking at. the Sti is all around a better car.

And the way people talk about the performance is retarded. Both these cars are INSANELY fast, especially with 300whp. an sti with 300whp does 0-60 in as low as 3.7 sec, that is NOTHING to scoff at whatsoever. a 300whp evo would probly pull low 4 sec 0-60 cuz its cant launch even close to the subie cuz of its non existent low end torque. the evo may go on to pull ahead after that, but eith way, both of these cars offer incredible performance. u really cant go wrong with either, but if ur not feeling the evo, check out the subies. u wont regret it.

Whoever doesn't think a 4G63 doesn't sound as good as a STi is a fanboy. A 4G63 with a TBE and no cat sounds great.

Whoever makes a big deal about a cars interior is a girl. If you wanted to buy a sports car with good interior you'd buy a BMW. Who the **** cares.

if uve driven an sti and are saying it handles worse, then u deff dont know the proper technique. and yes we have our blue carpets thank u very much. and you just keep on telling urself and evo will launch as good as an sti...seriously bro whatever helps u sleep at night. But in trying to even come close, u will proby bust ur tranny....... so sad.

Evos have top end on us...... that is all. stis are far more planted in the corners if the driver knows how to handle it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9WtwXROf1M

240 sidewayz > evo > sti any day

:banned:

u dont think porsches handle well either? now I know u dont know how to drive them or subies. hahahahaha have fun with ur evo. stay with what u know. it seems to be working for u.

and 550 is for the block, ours is good to 500, same ****. im talking pistons. and guess what, a full cosworth motor is pure savagery, so i dont mind :)

and 550whp is far more than 98% of sti/evo owners will ever see/ be able to handle. and at that power level all sorts of **** is gonna break anyway on any car meant to have only 300bhp stock, so at that level both sides will be spending all sorts of money on their cars to keep them going anyway, so that point is irrelevant.

so whats ur evo currently running? just wondering

You obviously haven't seen enough evo's.

[CleanNeon98]

Kevin, my price was based off of their Internet MMR for cars sold across the US within the last 30 days, not current listings on OVE or upcoming auctions.

[TalonTsi97]

I'm a big fan of terminator cobras but i passed on buying one a while back once looking at the price and what i would do with it. There awesome cars but i'm not a big enough ford/mustang guy to really have to have one. The straight line aspect and just general cruising would be great if you had some more power but i think with an evo or cobra it would wear off quick. Your always going to want more, we have all been there so why try and kid yourself?
I really think your car is unique, and a fan daily driver that can be a ton of fun almost whenever you want it to be. Your def going to miss the 'vert aspect, and getting a vert cobra is a whole different car then what you have no handling/weight wise.
I think doing some more modding to yours and trying to get a little more serious with SCCA events would be best.

[Kevin]

My friend used to have a vert cobra. Man I'd never sell that thing. Even though they are heavy as hell, vert + 03-04 cobra = win

[DPancoast]

Marks (05 GT) Mystachrome Cobra was probably the funnest car I've driven for a while the other week. I even got a speeding warning in it lol. I'd own one if I had the cash really... Loved the power curve, loved the sound, and it didn't handle all that bad either. Only complaint I had was with the wide rubber on the car, the car walked everywhere on stock suspension.

Anyways. Evo 8s are fun to drive. Had some pretty good seat time in 1 or 2 back in the day. They are fast and fun and, can handle their own... even with just a intake, front mount and exhaust. Put some wide wheels on that puppy with some coilovers and oh man are you gonna have some grip. Seats aren't comfy for a DD but you take some and lose some. Do whatever you want, but I think there's better cars out there to grow into than an Evo.

[ndubz]

Funny, my moms boss searched Manheim the other day and found 0 evos.



Whoever doesn't think a 4G63 doesn't sound as good as a STi is a fanboy. A 4G63 with a TBE and no cat sounds great.

Whoever makes a big deal about a cars interior is a girl. If you wanted to buy a sports car with good interior you'd buy a BMW. Who the **** cares.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9WtwXROf1M





:banned:



You obviously haven't seen enough evo's.


As far as that vid goes, I could put drag radials on a prius and the same amout of money he put in that evo and make it launch that hard. I dont care about the strip. Im talking street tires on normal pavement. ie, where it winds up really mattering for most people. (and dont give me the street racing lecture....Believe me, I know) u can put drag radials on anything with a ****load of power and make it launch like a bat outta hell.

and a 4g63 is not a bad sounding engine, but it sounds like every other inline 4 out there at the end of the day. Boxers, well theyre more unique, and are just a much better design in every way. simple physics, it doesnt fight gravity.

But to be honest, this is going nowhere for either side, nobody is changinge their minds.

[CleanNeon98]

Yea, most of us have a clue, you on the other hand......

[DPancoast]

lol I dont really think this thread is the place for a debate on sounds.

[Kevin]

As far as that vid goes, I could put drag radials on a prius and the same amout of money he put in that evo and make it launch that hard. I dont care about the strip. Im talking street tires on normal pavement. ie, where it winds up really mattering for most people. (and dont give me the street racing lecture....Believe me, I know) u can put drag radials on anything with a ****load of power and make it launch like a bat outta hell.

and a 4g63 is not a bad sounding engine, but it sounds like every other inline 4 out there at the end of the day. Boxers, well theyre more unique, and are just a much better design in every way. simple physics, it doesnt fight gravity.

But to be honest, this is going nowhere for either side, nobody is changinge their minds.

At least I'm talking about the car on topic. The 4G63 is turbo so it doesn't sound like every other 4 cyl. The boxer motor only promotes better torque because of its drivetrain setup. Probably the main reason n00bs choose STi's is because of the torque difference. The lower center of gravity of the motor in the STi is the only true uniqueness.

[jspek]

if uve driven an sti and are saying it handles worse, then u deff dont know the proper technique. and yes we have our blue carpets thank u very much. and you just keep on telling urself and evo will launch as good as an sti...seriously bro whatever helps u sleep at night. But in trying to even come close, u will proby bust ur tranny....... so sad.

Evos have top end on us...... that is all. stis are far more planted in the corners if the driver knows how to handle it.

funny, you didnt reply to the engine reliability comment.

[TalonTsi97]

As far as that vid goes, I could put drag radials on a prius and the same amout of money he put in that evo and make it launch that hard. I dont care about the strip. Im talking street tires on normal pavement. ie, where it winds up really mattering for most people. (and dont give me the street racing lecture....Believe me, I know) u can put drag radials on anything with a ****load of power and make it launch like a bat outta hell.


I was waiting for the its a race car, good driver, radial car blah blah.
Nothing amazing but i consider this a reasonable launch. I took these vids over the weekend, normal guys, bolt on evo launch.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auv4pWpPgM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUQg_pfO0EA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC4B7clnsjw&feature=related

[CleanNeon98]

That white car corners like mad

[ndubz]

**** it. We have ken Block. and I hold to my opinions. Ive driven both as many have, and never regretted once that I got the subaru.

Its mad late and I dont have the energy to tell you all how wrong you are :wink:
time to take the easy way out :finga:
http://thefinestlash.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/suicide-bomber-halloween-costume1.jpg















thanks for the fun kidz, fyi I was in it for the argument the whole time, I knew the facts going in. but this struggle must be fought between us because IT HAS TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! isnt it a bitch when u can tell someone is joking......... hahahahhahahahahahhahaha

[jspek]

****s getting old.

[Kevin]

I swear if I hear you talk in person and you sound like someone with downs syndrome, I'm not even going to be surprised one bit.

[ndubz]

I'll be at the meet sunday :)

but that may be a more serious occasion.

[doug]

ndubz makes me want to sell my car.

[ndubz]

were on the same side soldier, If u cant believe in me.....then believe in the cause................



either way, Alex, did u get the info u need? regardless of how

[doug]

were on the same side soldier, If u cant believe in me.....then believe in the cause................



either way, Alex, did u get the info u need? regardless of how

i just think you need to take a sip of reality some times.

[CleanNeon98]

were on the same side soldier, If u cant believe in me.....then believe in the cause................



either way, Alex, did u get the info u need? regardless of how
I did, and whatever good info was in here is ruined by your blabbering.
ndubz makes me want to sell my car.
I don't think you're alone.

[ndubz]

i just think you need to take a sip of reality some times.

Hahaha maybe. But I think the Bacardi 151 in my fridge will have to do me for now lol. :partyman:

[///chrism3]

Hahaha maybe. But I think the Bacardi 151 in my fridge will have to do me for now lol. :partyman:

werent u the kid awhile bac that didnt even know what he need to run a dom3 on ur car?


also alex i can tell u if ur gonna get an evo..dont get it from an action

[Elliott18t]

Subies sound ok I like it. Definitely interesting sounding like your misfiring the whole time you drive. now a great sounding boxer engine? an Air cooled Porsche..there you go :P. didnt know evos had all those problems lol

[ndubz]

werent u the kid awhile bac that didnt even know what he need to run a dom3 on ur car?


also alex i can tell u if ur gonna get an evo..dont get it from an action

When was this, because there was a time for all of us at which we didnt even know what a car was let alone a turbo setup. u too were once ignorant as was I.

[HickRocket1258]

thats just because it takes a real driver to handle it. .

You are starting to sound like Alex.

[arkadyzv]

I've never seen a subie launch like an evo in any form or racing. Drag, scca, street, or wherever. Please go to the next evo vs wrx showdown at etown and watch 99% of subarus get raped, then come out to the next Warminster SCCA event and watch all the subarus get handled there as well.

I was going to post the same exact thing last night, even with the same examples. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Yea I agree with you. I want something faster in a straight line and that can still handle well, but the current car is so much fun all around, I don't know if I could sell it. Top down, music up, flying down river road, probbably the most fun I've had. I'd miss it for the convertible aspect alone, and terminator cobra verts are $$$$$$

Its slow, you know this , I know this. Turboing a regular 1.8 in a miata will make more power. We've had this discussion prior many a time. Every factory turbo car Mazda made after the FD but before the Speed3/6 are turds when it comes to power and making it. Cobra Vert is where its at. I looked at Manheim, low miles for 15k is pretty hard, private party I found a bunch for around 20k that were really nice and low mileage. The Cobra does weight more and does not handle as well but it still handles good, and the way it goes, looks and the sounds that it makes , makes up for everything else.

My friend used to have a vert cobra. Man I'd never sell that thing. Even though they are heavy as hell, vert + 03-04 cobra = win

+1. If I sell my LGT, its going to be hard to say no to a Termi vert.

[sean3]

lol@ndubz

Marks (05 GT) Mystachrome Cobra was probably the funnest car I've driven for a while the other week. I even got a speeding warning in it lol. I'd own one if I had the cash really... Loved the power curve, loved the sound, and it didn't handle all that bad either. Only complaint I had was with the wide rubber on the car, the car walked everywhere on stock suspension.



Fix that complaint and you'd be complaining that the car handles like **** and that first and second are useless. Fast cars have big tires.

[bl@ckvr4]

Holy ****, Alex! Are you seriously considering getting an Evolution? That's awesome! It might take some searching, since it's impossible to find a stock Evolution, unless you're planning on getting a modded one.
I want to recommend the Evo IX. I think they look a bit better than the VIII. Plus you get the MIVEC, of course. Pick up a IX GSR if you can.

[nrgotenk]

Funny, my moms boss searched Manheim the other day and found 0 evos.

Whoever doesn't think a 4G63 doesn't sound as good as a STi is a fanboy. A 4G63 with a TBE and no cat sounds great.

Whoever makes a big deal about a cars interior is a girl. If you wanted to buy a sports car with good interior you'd buy a BMW. Who the **** cares.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9WtwXROf1M

:banned:

You obviously haven't seen enough evo's.

this is great...
There are evos @ manheim, sti with headers sounds like any 4 cyl as an evo, arguing about launching cars is retarded, 240s over evos and stis anyday....

[CleanNeon98]

Let me put it this way. In my autocross class, there is the 71BSP evo, I've never seen a Subaru go through the course this agressively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsguhB7_K0I&feature=related

[superg6819]

I love my evo! No big difference between the 8 and 9 except the mivec and some looks. I own a 9 rs bought it last summer. All i did was buy a turbo back exhaust and tune it and it added like 60hps. If your gonna do alot of auto x or track time i would try and find a rs cause they are lighter and plus they are a lil cheaper. Im not a big fan of the 10. having awd is deff a plus if you need to get around in the snow but i would get snow tires and its really fun too.

[TalonTsi97]

Let me put it this way. In my autocross class, there is the 71BSP evo, I've never seen a Subaru go through the course this agressively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsguhB7_K0I&feature=related

Evo +Simple power setup + good suspension + good driving = 71BSP.

[CleanNeon98]

Wish I could compete with them LOL

[TalonTsi97]

Wish I could compete with them LOL

Throwing parts at the car won't make you competitive but a little more power, competitive tires, and PRACTICE would a long way, mainly the Practice part.

Your cars barely been pushed when you really look at the grand scheme of things so why not go for it? There are usually a couple MSM at the events that look to be stock but with R compounds. Why not work with what you have? Winter is almost here, so save money throughout the winter and be ready to at least do every Warminster and CBP event next season. Mod as you go when necessary.

[igo4bmx]

Ndubz, can you not post in my threads? This was regarding questions about an EVO, not how awesome Subarus and Porsches are, believe me, I've driven plenty of both, and if I had questions about them, I'd ask.

:lol:

[Khellen]

Both have pros and cons, they are both great cars. If you think the evo dominates the sti in everything, you're wrong. If you think the sti dominates the evo in everything, you're wrong.

This whole argument is retarded, the aftermarket fixes 99% of all shortcomings on either car and the OP clearly plans to use the aftermarket.

[alwaysinboost]

Wish I could compete with them LOL

you have to actually attend an event to compete in one.

[Fujito]

Can't go wrong with an Evo
until you blow up the engine.

Too many X haters here haha. I like all the generations, but I just like mine a lot more.

[Fujito]

And I understand why STi owners and Evo owners bicker on forever about which is better (insecurity & pride)... but it's really annoying. I think both cars have their ups and downs, but in the end either or is a good choice, especially with the aftermarket taken into consideration.

My sister drives an 09 WRX. She moved to Cali though, but our cars got along well before that.

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/Fujito89/IMG_2664.jpg

[TalonTsi97]

Both have pros and cons, they are both great cars. If you think the evo dominates the sti in everything, you're wrong. If you think the sti dominates the evo in everything, you're wrong.

This whole argument is retarded, the aftermarket fixes 99% of all shortcomings on either car and the OP clearly plans to use the aftermarket.
Exactly, what i said a some posts back about the evo owning the wrx is what i have personally seen but that doesn't take away from the STi. it all comes down to the person, and there driving style and interests.

[igo4bmx]

goddamn the evo vs sti crap.
ok let me give you the details of whats better
sti window buttons feels firmer
evo cigarette light provides firmer grasp on electronics
sti wiper speed is much faster
evo in cabin lights are much brighter
sti hands down better climate control buttons

[BustedUjoint]

goddamn the evo vs sti crap.
ok let me give you the details of whats better
sti window buttons feels firmer
evo cigarette light provides firmer grasp on electronics
sti wiper speed is much faster
evo in cabin lights are much brighter
sti hands down better climate control buttons

Now that you put it that way. . . the decision is even harder. . :mrgreen:

[Fujito]

alex do not even consider the ten. PLEASE. haha.

Why shouldn't the X be taken into consideration?

[Kevin]

this is great...
There are evos @ manheim, sti with headers sounds like any 4 cyl as an evo, arguing about launching cars is retarded, 240s over evos and stis anyday....

Do you even have access to Manheim? If you can't prove that you do please logout.

A Boxer motor with ****ing 18 wheeler stacks out the sunroof wouldn't even sound anywhere near an evo or 4cyl.

[MPowerKai]

Why shouldn't the X be taken into consideration?

I liked the 04-07 STi more than the Evo, but with the new body styles I like the Evo much more.

[CleanNeon98]

Why shouldn't the X be taken into consideration?
Leave it to an X owner to get butthurt. All other people's opinions aside on the X, my reasons are.

A. it's ugly
B. my friend already has one fully bolted and tuned
C. same friend got a run for his money from our friend who has an MS3 and an intake....pretty sad

[djb5118]

i think if you plan on buying either an evo or an sti from auction you best have some money stashed for repairs. odds are they will have been beat on to no end

[CleanNeon98]

What does buying from an auction have to do with that. You realize that probbably 80-90% of used cars go through the auction block at some point right? How do you think dealers get them, pick em from trees?

And it's not like the seniors at Manheim do clutch dumps in those cars or race them.

[Supraru]

this is great...
There are evos @ manheim, sti with headers sounds like any 4 cyl as an evo, arguing about launching cars is retarded, 240s over evos and stis anyday....

Sti's with equal length headers sound like an inline 4. If they are even slightly unequal it still has a boxer rumble.

[mcperson2k]

What does buying from an auction have to do with that. You realize that probbably 80-90% of used cars go through the auction block at some point right? How do you think dealers get them, pick em from trees?

And it's not like the seniors at Manheim do clutch dumps in those cars or race them.

Dealers don't take those cars for specific reasons.

[CleanNeon98]

Dealers don't take those cars for specific reasons.
Great argument. So who do you think buys these cars at a DEALER auction? The pope? Obama? OTHER DEALERS! Why has every one of your posts here been useless :roll:

3 parties sell at dealer auctions. Banks/Finance Companies, remarketing companies, and dealers.

Banks sell off lease/repo/etc cars, big dealers/remarketing companies sell overstocked/defective cars, and dealers (smaller dealers) sell trade-ins, and cars that they buy from other dealers/banks/remarketing comapnies to each other. Manheim buying is basically foolproof, cars are checked over and given condition reports before entering the block, and after you buy you can do a PSI (post sale inspection) and if the car is not as advertised, you have right to return it and get your money back. Salvage titles/floods/problems must be announced by the seller or you have right to return the car. It's pretty much impossible to knowingly buy a bad car at Manheim if you have even an ounce of common knowledge about how to buy a car.

[jjm4life]

man lots of hate from evo owners in this thread. allow me to throw my .02 in

my evo is currently knocking on the door of 50,000. never had a major issue with it at all. stock clutch lasted me into the 30k range at power levels varying from stock to 350whp or so. the trans has never once been an issue for me at all. im always a bit surprised by how much people talk about drivetrain parts breaking. but then again i dont attempt to drag race a high horsepower awd car all that often (if you wanna drag race buy rwd!!)

paint quality is terrible, but you know what, it still cleans up nice. mine looked brand new at 4x,xxx after oakes detailed it. and my evo has spent half of its life outside, sometimes going months on end without being washed (two summers in rural maine)

it will never handle like your miata. youre talking about a lightweight rwd convertible vs a awd sedan. with that being said, it will grip like no other, espeically if you deicde to modify the suspension

in terms of power.. evo9 has more potential with the basic bolt ons. once you swap turbos, its all about equal. fwiw the fastest drag cars seem to all be evo8s. but thats probably only due to the fact they they have been out longer. either way 300-350whp is easily attainable, and cheap.

yes, the interior is all hard plastics, and there are tons of shakes and rattles. the build quality in that sense is not first rate. but what you are paying for is a proven drivetrain, bulletproof motor, and an awesome platform from which you can create essentially whatever you want.. autoX, timeattack, drag car, or just a fun ass DD.

my issues so far. brembos are starting to fade, again, a few hrs of diy painting and they look as good as new. certainly doesnt effect their performance
paint scrapes and chips. nothing unusual for a car with my mileage. i think my evo has held up better than i expected to be honest
squeeks and rattles- mostly due to the torn up dust shields. big wheels have torn them apart.

as far as maintenece goes, yea it can be expensive i guess. synthetic oil, drivetrain fluids, ect. its adds up. but again, i have never had any major mechanical issues. this car has never stranded me on the side of teh road. starts every time even with a mini battery.

im making roughly 150whp over stock and its as reliable as any honda. there are plenty of people making more power and their cars are just as reliable.

go test drive one. get a good feel for the car. its a hell of a lot of fun

[Fujito]

Leave it to an X owner to get butthurt. All other people's opinions aside on the X, my reasons are.

A. it's ugly
B. my friend already has one fully bolted and tuned
C. same friend got a run for his money from our friend who has an MS3 and an intake....pretty sad

I wasn't asking you. I already read that you don't like how it looks and you can't afford one.

And butthurt? Really? Half the bickering on this forum is caused by reading way out of context. I asked why. There is no indication of any resent or anger in that sentence. Let me meet your friend with his X. He's fully bolted and tuned and lost to a MS3 with only an intake? Is he on EvoM or EvoXforums? I hope he isn't easily embarrassed.

[CleanNeon98]

He didn't lose, but he was about 1/2 a car ahead, still sad.

[Fujito]

He didn't lose, but he was about 1/2 a car ahead, still sad.

Ok, well he's probably on one of the Evo forums. I hope he can take criticism.

What color is his car? He's from Philly?

[CleanNeon98]

It doesn't matter. The X was never a part of my consideration for the reasons I mentioned, so we won't discuss it here, this is for the 8 and 9. In fact, the discussion is done, everything that could be said has been said.

[05Accent]

For as much as i like the sound of an STI, The EVO gets me verytime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sq0rWOzb7Y&feature=related

[ndubz]

He didn't lose, but he was about 1/2 a car ahead, still sad.

then get an MS3





with a certain shiftknob :wink:

[ndubz]

For as much as i like the sound of an STI, The EVO gets me verytime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sq0rWOzb7Y&feature=related

and thats why u have a gts instead of a used evo???


Kinda like buying a boxter with the hopes of one day having a 911.



im sorry, Im a dick

hey whatever tickles ur pickle bro :thumbup:

[djb5118]

What does buying from an auction have to do with that. You realize that probbably 80-90% of used cars go through the auction block at some point right? How do you think dealers get them, pick em from trees?

And it's not like the seniors at Manheim do clutch dumps in those cars or race them.

sorry, let me give a little more clarification behind what i meant. i didnt mean specifically from auction, i should have said be cautious about buying one of these cars used, period. they are obviously a performance oriented vehicle and the owners before you have driven them as that for a majority of their lifetime. there are reasons that people get rid of these cars so early, and thats because sometimes previous owners know that one vehicle can only take so much abuse without having any major problems.

my roommate did exactly that with his 04 sti. he was looking at 50k or 60k miles (dont forget exactly which) and he knew that something was bound to go wrong with the way he drove that car. do you think the person who bought it used is going to know that my roommate had jumped that thing before? no...but he sure as hell will find out when the suspension blows 5k mi after he buys it.

thats just my personal opinion, but it seems you have your mind made up...just something to consider.

[W_Evo]

Just ask yourself "Why wouldn't I get an Evo?"

I like the Evo 8 the best, its the cheapest to build. The Evo 9 costs a little more to build due to the MIVEC but makes more power than the 8 with equal bolt ons. The MR would be a great stockish DD, but the drivetrains are not as strong as the 5 speed. Then you have the RS which would be great for making a horsepower monster, the SSL with leather seats, sunroof, and infinity sound system, and the normal Evo people refer to as the GSR but that's debatable. Then you have the SE and the MR SE which has a nice lip upgrade, some badges, and red stitched recaros.

[jjm4life]

^^^ or you do what i did.. get a ssl evo, and get a mr se interior hahaha. sunroof stereo and badass red stiched suede/leather seats ftw

[Asif22]

Suspension going on a performance car that's driven as it should be at 60k is nothing out of the ordinary...just know what you're getting into

-CN

[djb5118]

Suspension going on a performance car that's driven as it should be at 60k is nothing out of the ordinary...just know what you're getting into

-CN

wasn't the stock setup

[W_Evo]

^^^ or you do what i did.. get a ssl evo, and get a mr se interior hahaha. sunroof stereo and badass red stiched suede/leather seats ftw

True I got the Evo 8 SSL, then got an evo 9 front bumper, sparco evo seats and carbon interior trim. Of course its a must to get rid of the stock CD player and get something that you can play your ipod on.

oh yeah I forgot to mention 03-04 no ACD and 05-06 have the tarmac gravel snow ACD.

All this probly was already mentioned but I don't feel like reading.

[05Accent]

and thats why u have a gts instead of a used evo???


Kinda like buying a boxter with the hopes of one day having a 911.



im sorry, Im a dick

hey whatever tickles ur pickle bro :thumbup:
naa ur not a dick.
No trust me iv always wanted one. I just dont have the bankroll. :thumbup: one day tho, one day.

[CleanNeon98]

wasn't the stock setup
So why the argument? What was the setup?

[Kevin]

Leave it to an X owner to get butthurt. All other people's opinions aside on the X, my reasons are.

A. it's ugly
B. my friend already has one fully bolted and tuned
C. same friend got a run for his money from our friend who has an MS3 and an intake....pretty sad

Your friend clearly can't drive then lol. I'm sure you've seen the videos of the JNZ evo x. There's no way it should lose making that power.

[djb5118]

So why the argument? What was the setup?

that was just an example. you must have misinterpreted my point. im saying that buying one of those cars used is a risk. you generally don't know the previous owner and how he/she treated the car, so expect to have a good amount of money set aside for any repairs that may be necessary.

[Supraru]

that was just an example. you must have misinterpreted my point. im saying that buying one of those cars used is a risk. you generally don't know the previous owner and how he/she treated the car, so expect to have a good amount of money set aside for any repairs that may be necessary.

This would be why before you buy the car you drive it, take it to a mechanic or check it by yourself if you're capable and if it seems to beat don't buy it. There are plenty of deals out there. Just because you're buying used doesn't mean things are automatically gonna break. You could buy a used Evo from some old man who's owned it since new and never beat it. Then you buy it and you could have all these things go on you. It'll happen or it won't.

[jjm4life]

buying any used car is a gable in my opinion. its just that much harder when you buy a performance car with such a huge aftermarket. just do your homework and have the car checked out. no different than any other used car.

[nrgotenk]

Do you even have access to Manheim? If you can't prove that you do please logout.

A Boxer motor with ****ing 18 wheeler stacks out the sunroof wouldn't even sound anywhere near an evo or 4cyl.

My cousin bought and sold his evo at manheim, I've been there multiple times as a driver, and seen many evos being sold...
I'm not sure if anything changed, but when you used to look up cars that were sold on their web-site, evos were just lancers that went for 19k...

:mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyc0xBtV3AA

[SpEcRv9]

im sorry, Im a dick

hey whatever tickles ur pickle bro :thumbup:

no you're spoiled, there's a difference..

[GeforceXtreme]

I would just continue to drive the car you have now. Its a clean car and besides that issue you are having I don't think it has let you down really? I know you are in college still. I would finish up college and land yourself a great paying job and maybe treat yourself to an Evo or whatever you want at that point? The problem with getting another car is you maybe tempted to mod it all out and with college expenses you maybe limited? I know if I was to get a new car it would certainly take my focus away from doing school work lol.

[ndubz]

no you're spoiled, there's a difference..

i am i know

[Kevin]

My cousin bought and sold his evo at manheim, I've been there multiple times as a driver, and seen many evos being sold...
I'm not sure if anything changed, but when you used to look up cars that were sold on their web-site, evos were just lancers that went for 19k...

:mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyc0xBtV3AA

Enh it does get rid of the boxer sound but you can still tell. To the untrained ear you wouldn't know the difference though.

[jdubs]

I was looking at getting an evolution or and sti after my z.

This forum has persuaded my subaru is not a great choice. The evo seems to have trans problems, but the clutch must have been designed as a failure point and you can just upgrade it.

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/warranty-service-issues/

[Kevin]

Both drivetrains will eventually fail. AWD high horsepower cars are a rather new thing to manufacturers, their stock drivetrains aren't as strong as something like a Shep trans. I honestly think people just don't know the proper way to drive AWD, thats where the drivetrain crying comes into play.

[jjm4life]

I honestly think people just don't know the proper way to drive AWD, thats where the drivetrain crying comes into play.

i think youre onto something there. i have always had a feeling that all the people who burn through clutches and destroy transmissions and complain about them ad nauseam must have come from fwd (primarily honda it seems) and just dont understand the differences in how to best use the drivetrain.

[Whitekryptonit3]

I would just continue to drive the car you have now. Its a clean car and besides that issue you are having I don't think it has let you down really? I know you are in college still. I would finish up college and land yourself a great paying job and maybe treat yourself to an Evo or whatever you want at that point? The problem with getting another car is you maybe tempted to mod it all out and with college expenses you maybe limited? I know if I was to get a new car it would certainly take my focus away from doing school work lol.


x10

Don't be an idiot. No reason to spend your money on another toy when you have one already.

[mcperson2k]

Great argument. So who do you think buys these cars at a DEALER auction? The pope? Obama? OTHER DEALERS! Why has every one of your posts here been useless :roll:

3 parties sell at dealer auctions. Banks/Finance Companies, remarketing companies, and dealers.

Banks sell off lease/repo/etc cars, big dealers/remarketing companies sell overstocked/defective cars, and dealers (smaller dealers) sell trade-ins, and cars that they buy from other dealers/banks/remarketing comapnies to each other. Manheim buying is basically foolproof, cars are checked over and given condition reports before entering the block, and after you buy you can do a PSI (post sale inspection) and if the car is not as advertised, you have right to return it and get your money back. Salvage titles/floods/problems must be announced by the seller or you have right to return the car. It's pretty much impossible to knowingly buy a bad car at Manheim if you have even an ounce of common knowledge about how to buy a car.

Than what are you waiting for? Go buy a 12k Evo... Good luck with your full proof plan.

[Kevin]

i think youre onto something there. i have always had a feeling that all the people who burn through clutches and destroy transmissions and complain about them ad nauseam must have come from fwd (primarily honda it seems) and just dont understand the differences in how to best use the drivetrain.

I know, I think its the truth as well. Some people just suck at driving or just drive with such disregard for their drivetrains that they break ****.

I had a GSX from 121,000 to 150,000 and drove it hard those miles. I'm sure DSM transmissions are worse then EVO ones but I didn't manage to break anything.

All in all its better to go through clutches then it is trans, diff, tcase's.

[jjm4life]

All in all its better to go through clutches then it is trans, diff, tcase's.

this.

[piku]

Manheim, dealer auction.

Beware!

[piku]

What does buying from an auction have to do with that. You realize that probbably 80-90% of used cars go through the auction block at some point right? How do you think dealers get them, pick em from trees?

And it's not like the seniors at Manheim do clutch dumps in those cars or race them.

I grew up in Manheim and detailed those cars for a living growing up. 99% of those cars you do not want.

[peteyturbo]

nice plethora of mis-information in here, keep the one sided opinions coming it is entertaining me!

[jjm4life]

haha peterturbocharger busts onto the scene.

i heard that evos have been known to wear through muffler bearings like nobodys business. esp. the v6 models.. you know, the MR.

[jjm4life]

is it true that if an evo were the challenge a huricane it would win ?

*assuming the hurricane's name is not Hurricane Ditka*

[CleanNeon98]

I grew up in Manheim and detailed those cars for a living growing up. 99% of those cars you do not want.
LOL I know how to tell them apart trust me, when my boss sent me out to check cars, I did a pretty good job.

[piku]

LOL I know how to tell them apart trust me, when my boss sent me out to check cars, I did a pretty good job.

Cars are a luck of the draw kind of thing anyway. There's too many things you can't figure out without a 140mph blast down the highway.

[CleanNeon98]

Cars are a luck of the draw kind of thing anyway. There's too many things you can't figure out without a 140mph blast down the highway.
That's what PSI is for.

[BustedUjoint]

this thread is absolutely worthless. . . as is this post.

[EvOMD]

Buy a 9 with not to many miles. Be prepared to go threw the stock clutch. Buy a stock one.

[M5ASTER]

Not 100% set on this yet, but I think I am growing out of my car. It's great and all, but lately I've had urges for something different, and the EVO came on the list because it's reasonably priced, can make great power, and still handle like a monster.

What can you tell me about the 8?
What can you tell me about the 9? Is the MIVEC worth the extra coin?
What can you tell me about the 9MR? Is the MR really worth the extra coin?

i was thinkin the exact same thing dude. now that my 5s murked im thinkin about somthin cheaper to mod. possibly evo? bimmers=too costly

[wmonty22]

Turbo lag but a fun car to drive

[jjm4life]

i hear that at 88mph it can travel through time.

[Fujito]

Oh by the way, I found that Evo X guy you were talking about that nearly lost to a MS3 on the Evo forums. He said that he told you that he had a boost leak, which is why that happened.

Way to skew the facts :thumbup: :roll:

[Kevin]

It's CleanNeon, what'd you expect?

[CleanNeon98]

Oh by the way, I found that Evo X guy you were talking about that nearly lost to a MS3 on the Evo forums. He said that he told you that he had a boost leak, which is why that happened.

Way to skew the facts :thumbup: :roll:
I don't remember that but okay, thanks for assuming I really give a **** :roll:

It's CleanNeon, what'd you expect?
Yeaaaa, on point.

[doug]

okay.. this thread has run beyond its path. closing before it goes off topic and even more pointless.. im sure you got the info you needed.