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CleanNeon98

09-30-2009, 11:21 AM

hear there is an event coming up I'll be there with a co-driver

Vypurr

09-30-2009, 11:26 AM

I will probably make it

TalonTsi97

09-30-2009, 11:29 AM

I'll swing by if there is nothing to do but with my schedule lately i can't 100% commit to much.

Scapegoat

09-30-2009, 11:49 AM

i just renewed my scca membership and will try to make it to this. i'm going on the run on the 10th though and i'm sure the car would enjoy the rest on the 11th... but we'll see

Evo8kid

09-30-2009, 05:03 PM

im gonna make it to ONE thi year

DPancoast

09-30-2009, 05:21 PM

damn it lol.. theres no way I can drive this after bear mountain

bronxbomber252

09-30-2009, 05:22 PM

I should be there

TROLL

09-30-2009, 05:23 PM

hmmmmmmmm... 'twould be fun. I'd love to come out and show Alex how its done :wink:

russiankid

09-30-2009, 05:29 PM

I may be up for this.

jcr557

10-01-2009, 01:00 PM

havent done this in a while, ill be there

PnS

10-01-2009, 01:13 PM

I'll be there!

Slick 87

10-01-2009, 01:19 PM

hmm, i wonder how my accord would hold up to this...

Simmons-Racing

10-01-2009, 06:19 PM

I will be there with the Solstice,

Simmons

Slick 87

10-01-2009, 06:21 PM

is this a really tight course, or is there fairly long straights on the runway of the old airfield?

CleanNeon98

10-01-2009, 06:27 PM

hmmmmmmmm... 'twould be fun. I'd love to come out and show Alex how its done :wink:
LOL we'll see about that. You bringing the Supra or Bugsti?

russiankid

10-01-2009, 07:40 PM

is this a really tight course, or is there fairly long straights on the runway of the old airfield?

Courses are usually changed up every event, so you won't know until you come out on the day of the event.

bronxbomber252

10-01-2009, 09:14 PM

there wont be too long of straights since it is autox... don't expect to get above 60

TROLL

10-01-2009, 09:21 PM

Warminster is one of the faster more open courses out there though... depending on how fast they set up the slalom you could break 60 for sure. But of course the focus is on the turns in auto-x. Warminster is a great location though.

And I'd be there in the bugeye... need to squeeze in a little bit more rear fender work to completely rid myself of any rubbing with the newer fatter tires though.

russiankid

10-01-2009, 09:32 PM

there wont be too long of straights since it is autox... don't expect to get above 60

I have hit 50mph at an event before and my car is slow as balls.

TROLL

10-01-2009, 09:59 PM

I spun at 70 two years ago at the end of the front straight... but I guess that means 70 might have been just a littttle too fast :wink:

russiankid

10-01-2009, 10:12 PM

I went sideways into cones when I hit 50...little to fast to enter a slalom.

jcr557

10-01-2009, 11:35 PM

here's some videos from warminster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_wteiggrY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRf1JRbj4dI

this is the long track but depending on the torque of your car, your lucky to reach 60mph. most of autocross is drivin in 1st and 2nd gear or just 2nd once you've launched.

TROLL

10-02-2009, 12:08 AM

CleanNeon98

10-02-2009, 12:17 AM

TROLL

10-02-2009, 12:56 AM

Haha I have one sitting in my garage right now (even though I was supposed to return it a few days ago!) Thanks though...
This is going to be a job for the dremel anyway :eek:

alwaysinboost

10-02-2009, 12:18 PM

I've been hearing alot about this autox stuff... think I'm going to give it a shot.

TalonTsi97

10-02-2009, 12:21 PM

I've been hearing alot about this autox stuff... think I'm going to give it a shot.

lmao first timer?

jdmcrx88

10-02-2009, 12:56 PM

i will be attending this event in the crx.. i also have some youtube movies up from the past warminster event. or the one before that.. just type in shuttlegoose and you'll see a couple vids..its a pretty fun and fast course..

russiankid

10-02-2009, 01:08 PM

I've been hearing alot about this autox stuff... think I'm going to give it a shot.

It is a lot of fun. My first time I thought I was going to do well in my class, but that didn't go as planned.

bronxbomber252

10-02-2009, 06:19 PM

Yes. I I have hit my rev limiter in 2nd in my S2k on my old not so great street tires a bunch of times (65mph).. And expect to go faster with my current set-up... but I dont see a big heavy accord (likely on all-season tires) like his carrying enough speed through the corners to get much above 60 on an autox course.... but hey I could be wrong. Generally though, Autox courses are supposed to be set up so that the fastest cars don't get much above 80 if at all.

Simmons-Racing

10-02-2009, 11:15 PM

bronxbomber252

10-03-2009, 12:11 AM

And simmons calls me on my error and makes my point even better in the same sentence lol. well played sir

CleanNeon98

10-05-2009, 12:25 AM

Don't know if I'll make it to this..car having issues and by the time I fix it, I may be out of loot :(

DPancoast

10-05-2009, 12:52 AM

does anyone have one of those gopro video cameras? i kind of want one...
it'd be sweet to have one in car and one mounted in your bumper and splice it together, not that i have any idea how to do that.

JustinLansdale has one I think (doesnt run autox tho), and Zillion also has one when he comes out to run locally.

russiankid

10-05-2009, 05:00 PM

Where can I pre-register for this? Or is Warminster on-site registration?

Cy76

10-05-2009, 06:05 PM

Where can I pre-register for this? Or is Warminster on-site registration?
Pre-register online here (http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.advert/uidEvent/FD90D80C-0559-855B-C62F413E89E28663)

If we don't reach the cap (we usually don't), you can register on site.

bronxbomber252

10-05-2009, 08:07 PM

just registered! see you all there

russiankid

10-05-2009, 08:18 PM

$55? Not doing that.

CleanNeon98

10-05-2009, 08:49 PM

$55? Not doing that.
I agree, the prices are getting rediculous. Even $40 for what is 3 minutes (at most) of "track" time is insane.

Scapegoat

10-05-2009, 08:58 PM

I agree, the prices are getting rediculous. Even $40 for what is 3 minutes (at most) of "track" time is insane.

hardly insane...

personally... $5* a month to race on a sanctioned track and become a better driver is well worth it. not to mention, its a hell of a lot of fun

Buster

10-06-2009, 12:13 PM

is this part of the Fall series? I think I will finally do this. Sunday works for me.

BlackTypeR

10-06-2009, 12:29 PM

I'll be there taking pics.

Buster

10-06-2009, 12:34 PM

Registered! See everyone there!

alwaysinboost

10-06-2009, 12:53 PM

lmao first timer?

you gonna finally run the VII???

jcr557

10-06-2009, 01:22 PM

$55? Not doing that.

Racing is an expensive sport, get used to it :) And if you think $55 is expensive, wait till you see how much track time on a circuit costs + tires, brakes, suspension setups, race fee's etc.

I consider autocross a fun way to learn how to control my cars while at the same time competing against the rest of the crowd. It's fun, come out and give it a try. If you dont like it then dont do it again, but i guarantee once you go out to an event, you'll be adicted to autocross and will be looking for a date for the next event.

Slick 87

10-06-2009, 02:02 PM

what time does it start?

i might come by and watch. maybe signup if they let me do it on site.

shuttlegoose

10-06-2009, 02:06 PM

early lol

alwaysinboost

10-06-2009, 02:26 PM

what time does it start?

i might come by and watch. maybe signup if they let me do it on site.

if you're just watching the first car should be off by 10-10:30 and the action will go probably until 3-4ish. If you want to signup however you'll need to get there around 8ish to register... or you could do it online @ www.phillyscca.com

alwaysinboost

10-06-2009, 02:27 PM

Racing is an expensive sport, get used to it :)

QFT!

aside from drag racing, this is about a cheap as it gets.

russiankid

10-06-2009, 05:27 PM

I've done autox at $35 per event.

Vypurr

10-06-2009, 05:54 PM

Sure...If it's your first time out they wave the fee, but otherwise it's only that cheap if you have an SCCA membership.

TROLL

10-06-2009, 06:21 PM

Thats definitely more expensive than it was previously... seems like each year it goes up $10.
Its full day format, does that mean that we might see more than 3 runs out of it if its not too crowded?

jcr557

10-06-2009, 06:55 PM

Thats definitely more expensive than it was previously... seems like each year it goes up $10.
Its full day format, does that mean that we might see more than 3 runs out of it if its not too crowded?

correct, although warminster events usually meets its cap. i haven't been in the autocross scene recently though.

russiankid

10-06-2009, 07:28 PM

Sure...If it's your first time out they wave the fee, but otherwise it's only that cheap if you have an SCCA membership.

I went to the events in Park City mall and they were $35 for non members.

alwaysinboost

10-06-2009, 10:57 PM

if you want to pay $35 and run in a mall parking lot feel free, I'd rather pay alittle extra and run at places like Citizen's bank park, Warminster & Delaware park.

the fees are what they are because we have good lots, and there are more in the works. ;)

nrgotenk

10-06-2009, 11:26 PM

Thats definitely more expensive than it was previously... seems like each year it goes up $10.
Its full day format, does that mean that we might see more than 3 runs out of it if its not too crowded?

Its usually 5-6 at warminster
doesn't seem like event will be packed so maybe fun runs in the end

Ridachu

10-07-2009, 12:36 AM

asfuiaghifughaigfbdigsubi WORK till 7 FTL!!!! yet another event missed 8/

Cy76

10-07-2009, 01:54 AM

Warminster events haven't been filling up recently. These days we usually get 5 to 7 runs.

All SCCA events have gone up in cost since membership became mandatory. Weekend memberships add $15 to the cost (even in the dinky mall parking lots). Pay it the first time you go and if you like autocross (and you will), you can apply that $15 toward the annual membership fee when you become a full member.

This is the 10th Philly Region summer series event.

Scapegoat

10-07-2009, 10:35 AM

i'm def going to try to get out to this in the stang. just gotta wake my ass up.

how does day of registration get handled, payment wise? cash, credit, check?

Cy76

10-07-2009, 02:22 PM

i'm def going to try to get out to this in the stang. just gotta wake my ass up.

how does day of registration get handled, payment wise? cash, credit, check?
I've only seen cash taken at on site registration. I'm not sure about checks but I don't think they have any way of charging credit cards on site.

Snoozie

10-07-2009, 02:26 PM

Registered! See everyone there!

I'll be there with this guy. :)

chu

10-07-2009, 02:41 PM

I'll be there, first timer like alwaysinboost. Get some drifting practice in!

russiankid

10-07-2009, 02:42 PM

I'll be there, first timer like alwaysinboost. Get some drifting practice in!

Autox is not intended for drifting.

05Accent

10-07-2009, 02:47 PM

i want to try but i dont have the time. this would be an interesting first adventure.

jcr557

10-07-2009, 03:09 PM

tst group pic? lol

chu

10-07-2009, 04:14 PM

Autox is not intended for drifting.

You're kidding me right? Isn't it like Gymkana? I see them Japs drifting around the cones all the time in those JDM videos?

jcr557

10-07-2009, 04:28 PM

no, autocross is to better understand you ability to control your car. drifting is not aloud

igo4bmx

10-07-2009, 04:34 PM

You're kidding me right? Isn't it like Gymkana? I see them Japs drifting around the cones all the time in those JDM videos?

Since it's you're first time work on the driving and don't worry so much on the times.

Scapegoat

10-07-2009, 04:38 PM

lol... autocross is not drifting... if you're out there drifting i suspect you will be asked to leave

bronxbomber252

10-07-2009, 04:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mMAysxgTzY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjyBs5ZmIVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWRWrU-ECwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4g1HudR9es
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RU6bLjxVU
__________________

Video of the last South Jersey Region event!

igo4bmx

10-07-2009, 04:39 PM

lol... autocross is not drifting... if you're out there drifting i suspect you will be asked to leave

yesh! less drifting and more drafting.

jcr557

10-07-2009, 05:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glAi85Oc-1s

chu

10-07-2009, 05:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glAi85Oc-1s

Empty lot and cones. whats the difference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpJhYHekJg&feature=related

jcr557

10-07-2009, 05:11 PM

There are different events for drifting, drifting is not aloud at autocrosses for safety reasons. If you do drift on purpose I think you get a warning and the 2nd time you get kicked out. Safety is the first priority and although its not neck to neck competition, the next car after you starts when your half way through the course and being as there are novices who have never experience these kind of events, there can't be cars sliding all over the place.

The purpose of autocross is mainly to get out there and test out your car handling and driver skill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocross

russiankid

10-07-2009, 05:22 PM

If you are planning to drift then don't go at all.

Scapegoat

10-07-2009, 05:22 PM

Empty lot and cones. whats the difference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpJhYHekJg&feature=related

your sig implies you're an SCCA member... therefore... you should know the difference.

but go ahead, come out and drift... see what happens

russiankid

10-07-2009, 05:23 PM

your sig implies you're an SCCA member... therefore... you should know the difference.

but go ahead, come out and drift... see what happens

I think that is because he just got a membership.

Scapegoat

10-07-2009, 05:42 PM

I think that is because he just got a membership.

cancelling mine now...

jcr557

10-07-2009, 05:45 PM

x2 lol

i beat v8's

10-07-2009, 05:47 PM

cancelling mine now...

:banned:lmao:cyberguy:

dek0021

10-07-2009, 06:21 PM

chu, that's awesome!!! i just registered too and gonna drift my azz off out there. see you sunday!!!

btw i just mounted my jdm shorty antenna so that's why i'm running in STU. ish is gonna be hawt all sideways..........

chu

10-07-2009, 06:55 PM

Well that sucks doesn't it...lol

You guys need to chill out and have alittle fun. I've ran with the Philly region all season, since the winter series, and haven't seen any of you there! I'll be at the novice tent signing you non-members in on Sunday, stop by and say hello...you might be lucky and get a free GrassRoots sticker....worth 10hp.

igo4bmx

10-07-2009, 07:47 PM

chu

10-07-2009, 08:59 PM

so are you drifting or not?

Apparently its not allowed. I'll have to talk to JR about this.

peteyturbo

10-07-2009, 11:14 PM

Apparently its not allowed. I'll have to talk to JR about this.

dude, drift!

BTW isnt the grandview rally x coming up?

jcr557

10-08-2009, 12:00 AM

i've been running with the philly region and sjr region on and off since 06 and have never seen people drifting on purpose, except for the last time i was down cbp, in which he the person got warning and then he calmed down. if you wanna drift, go ahead, just be ready to suffer the consequences if asked to leave with no refund.

Metal4all6

10-08-2009, 01:14 AM

BTW isnt the grandview rally x coming up?

Do you have info on this? I would love to go to that. My wife's parents live literally 1/4 mile from the track.

bronxbomber252

10-08-2009, 10:58 AM

... Im a member and have been at about2 autox's a month between Philly and SJR Since the winter series... Including winning the challenge at the end of the Holbert Memorial event... In fact I may be working the novice tent during the third heat this weekend... So if you haven't seen me you haven't been looking

Scapegoat

10-08-2009, 11:01 AM

sorry, i took a bite... but here is your cookie

http://pixiestixkidspix.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/cookie-bite-web.jpg

chu

10-08-2009, 11:49 AM

chau

10-08-2009, 12:52 PM

damn troll, go back to evom

06SS/SC ALL DAY

10-08-2009, 03:23 PM

what time @ the airfield? i know where it is i just forget wat time u can register and what not. its been 2 years for me

nrgotenk

10-08-2009, 03:31 PM

Apparently its not allowed. I'll have to talk to JR about this.

Hey man, can you please ask if we can tandem?

alwaysinboost

10-08-2009, 03:55 PM

I'll be there in my truck, last time I got FTD, hoping for a repeat.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l47/CalVlaroD1/2002%20Camaro%20SS/Racing/0124_SGT09.jpg

jcr557

10-08-2009, 04:50 PM

i wont be able to make it cause i didnt get off from work :(

Ciotti

10-08-2009, 06:22 PM

For anyone that wants to get started autocrossing but the $55 is too steep for you, we (South Jersey SCCA) are finalizing our plans and schedule for the 2009/2010 Winter series which will be $35 for everyone (SCCA member or not) at NJMP on Lightning's minty fresh skidpad/paddock. Keep your eyes on the Racing forum as I'll be putting the schedule and further info in a post there as soon as we have it finalized with the track.

chu

10-08-2009, 09:54 PM

nrgotenk

10-08-2009, 10:42 PM

o hi, I heard there is going to be some sliding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xl0Pb35rdM

Ciotti

10-08-2009, 11:31 PM

So no perks for SCCA members?

It's not that SCCA members don't get any perks, it's that everyone will be covered under the track's insurance so there will be no need for non SCCA members to pay the extra $15 weekend membership fee to get under SCCA's insurance.

chu

10-09-2009, 08:40 AM

o hi, I heard there is going to be some sliding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xl0Pb35rdM

Thats bada$$. I'll bring my slippers if you let me hang out the door while you drift the course!

jcr557

10-10-2009, 03:36 AM

i might make an appearance and race if i can get someone from another store to open up for me that day, i will find out tomorrow. anywho, its kind of late, but anyone feel like rocking "in memory of ryan sherwood" decals for atleast just that day. i didn't know him personally, but would be nice to dedicate this autocross to him.

Cy76

10-10-2009, 11:18 AM

TROLL

10-10-2009, 06:51 PM

I was reminded today that I have a family lunch to attend tomorrow from about 11-1. Good news is I just looked it up and its around the corner from warminster park, so I'll try to come by after and watch, maybe take some photos.

MJSWRX

10-10-2009, 07:00 PM

The weather forecast is good and the pre-reg #'s are low -- that means lots of runs (unless we get a billion walk-ups)! Should be fun, the course should be fast and interesting. Plus plenty of sweepers for drifting (j/k)!

Well i forgot about this even completely so ill probably be one of those walk ups! :o Should be a good time.... wouldnt mind a lil wet road to add some fun :mrgreen:

Scapegoat

10-10-2009, 08:52 PM

if i make it, i'll be walking up. i'm beat from the pumpkin run and driving for i don't know how long... but i really want to get out on a course with this car.

06SS/SC ALL DAY

10-11-2009, 06:36 AM

ill be there. not competing i don't want to give the sti's and evo's a hard time hahaaa but def be there to film and what not. HOLLLER!

jcr557

10-11-2009, 12:57 PM

i wont be there, im at work :( about a mile from there, stop by.

Buster

10-11-2009, 08:05 PM

Good time besides going off course every run and getting humiliated by the announcer. The Yaris was the funniest car on the road apparently. What a dickface.

russiankid

10-11-2009, 08:07 PM

Good time besides going off course every run and getting humiliated by the announcer. The Yaris was the funniest car on the road apparently. What a dickface.

That is one thing I dislike about auto-x. No one will come up and tell you that you went off course or where you went off course.

TROLL

10-11-2009, 08:25 PM

keef dont worry, i got some pics of you. i'll try to post the best one tonight...

BlackTypeR

10-11-2009, 09:21 PM

Keith you were there? Bryan you were there?
I was there from 9:30 - 12:30 and didn't see either of you guys, what the eff? haha

I'll post my pics later, i'm almost done going through them.

TROLL

10-11-2009, 09:23 PM

I didn't get there till like 1:30... had something going on before then. I looked for you when I got there, now it makes sense though.

TalonTsi97

10-11-2009, 11:14 PM

Took a lot of videos of the morning sessions. Left before the afternoon group began to run. I'll try and post up the good ones in the next few days.
Couple notes:
-Didn't think a yaris could spin tires so easily lol, car looked good though
-Scapegoat's mustang sounds pretty good, and the pictures do not do the car/color justice
-Always nice to see evo's out in force
-Looked like a evo friendly course and one of the best ones at warminster since I've been attending IMO
-Was waiting to see a head on collision
-C63 AMG and the new M3 sound amazing. Would have loved to of gotten a ride in either one.

BlackTypeR

10-11-2009, 11:46 PM

Pics here :)

http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88786

TalonTsi97

10-12-2009, 12:00 AM

Pics here :)

http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88786

Your work is amazing, wish i would have known you were there. Hopefully meet up with you in the future.

Zillon

10-12-2009, 12:29 AM

Good time besides going off course every run and getting humiliated by the announcer. The Yaris was the funniest car on the road apparently. What a dickface.

:-p

Nobody ever knows what my car is when I run.

You should've registered your car as a 2009 Scrubbing Bubble.

Ridachu

10-12-2009, 12:36 AM

didnt make it </3
wanted to go so bad, i even watched all the fast and the furious movies to get my shifting down right 8'[

DriftNasty180sx

10-12-2009, 03:39 AM

Who all competed? I am think about doing this on OCT 25th

anyone here do that PAHillclimb.org events?

or how about the RALLYCROSS i have a GC8 Suby thati am getting ready for that next year too.

Cy76

10-12-2009, 10:43 AM

Results (not final yet) (http://forum.phillyscca.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5729)

oneday

10-12-2009, 10:59 AM

Good time besides going off course every run and getting humiliated by the announcer. The Yaris was the funniest car on the road apparently. What a dickface.

Did you get approached by any instructors? Asked if you wanted a ride-along/assistance? if not, did you ask for an instructor? If you were offered help and refused it, then it's your own damn fault.

I know the novice/instructors are usually stretched thin, but if a driver clearly is having difficulty then the head instructor is usually advised to speak to that driver and offer some help. If that didn't happen, then you should have gone to the novice/instructor's tent and asked for help.

I was going to stop by, but had to finish the prep for a track day this Friday.

Scapegoat

10-12-2009, 11:15 AM

Did you get approached by any instructors? Asked if you wanted a ride-along/assistance? if not, did you ask for an instructor? If you were offered help and refused it, then it's your own damn fault.

I know the novice/instructors are usually stretched thin, but if a driver clearly is having difficulty then the head instructor is usually advised to speak to that driver and offer some help. If that didn't happen, then you should have gone to the novice/instructor's tent and asked for help.

I was going to stop by, but had to finish the prep for a track day this Friday.

had nothing to do with instructors. the announcer was pretty much being a dick bag before during and after his run towards him due to the car he was driving. not because he was running off course. He would have gotten **** either way...

their attitude wasn't very friendly or professional, and i was a more than a bit displeased by their response when he called them out on it. in what should be an environment where new drivers should be encouraged to come back and encouraged to do better with what they've got... it seemed they went out of their way to ensure keith won't... because he had a yaris... no other reason than that

oneday

10-12-2009, 11:26 AM

Some of the announcers chide everyone: It's part of the fun (supposed to be) you should hear some of the crap they give to 71 BSP--Mike gets torn apart. A lot. However, they usually reserve the harsh stuff for veterans and friends. If they were poking fun at him going OC each run, that is usually a signal to get help so as not to go OC again. That is what the instructors are there for. All four of Keith's runs were: 1. Off course, and 2. Slow. That tells me he should have had an instructor ride with him on his second or third run (or both). If they were making fun of the car, well, it's a Yaris and it probably was the most distinctive looking cars on the course.

Cy76

10-12-2009, 11:42 AM

Please don't be discouraged. As in any diverse group of people, there many viewpoints and many different attitudes represented at Solo events. Most autox'ers are very cool and are car lovers like you.

I heard a couple comments about the Yaris but they were positive, that it looked cool with those wheels & tires.

oneday's point about instructors is important for fixing the off-course runs though. There were instructors available and I think ALL first-timers should get an instructor in their car for every run. They are not only there to give driving pointers but to make the drivers more fun and successful (and safer).

jeffroevoix

10-12-2009, 11:44 AM

^^^he was off road Mike yesterday :lol: I thought the yaris looked sweet, but I didn't see it run at all.

Scapegoat

10-12-2009, 11:47 AM

i heard a lot of good comments regarding the yaris as well. It also sounded like the announcer was a bit harsher towards keith as far as the "chiding" went.

ultimately, i don't think that course was a good one for the yaris. i'd like to seem him at boeing, which i've never been too but have heard its a lot smaller and more technical

alwaysinboost

10-12-2009, 12:34 PM

oneday

10-12-2009, 01:17 PM

Just about EVERYONE there is willing to help anyone out. whether its to loan a tool, give advice about the course, car setup, tire pressures or whatever. The thing is that you have to be willing to accept their help.

Truth ^

I know for a fact the guy driving the yaris was asked by someone if he wanted an instructor after his 4th run. His response was "its not me, its the car, it won't turn" or something along those lines. If he would have let someone with experience ride with him or drive his car I'm sure it would have been an eye opening experience.

If that is true, then Keith has no one to blame but him self. A novice mistake; thinking the car is at fault when the car is merely a tool that is doing what the driver tells it to do.

Keith go to another event or two, get an instructor and learn what you are doing wrong (I'd volunteer to instruct you but I will not be at any more events this year--so maybe next year?). I'm guessing you were trying to drive the FWD Yaris like you drove the AWD boost-buggie....they require two completely different driving styles.

bronxbomber252

10-12-2009, 01:18 PM

^ True... by the way I just realized who you are. I just saw the "Evo wrecked by Oaks detailing" in your "my ride" thing and put it together. I promise my intake will be fixed bny next event lol

Mental

10-12-2009, 01:25 PM

Event was great, probably my favorite course so far at Warminster... except that damn decreasing radius turnaround that I could not seem to muster up the discipline to run a different line on to maintain some momentum *woah long sentence*. That Yaris def looked clean as hell, big fan. And welcome to the world of autoxing slow FF cars.. I'm finally starting to get some decent times out of my underpowered overweight piggy (4cyl accord boo hoo)

That near collision of camaro and corvette was pretty scary! At least it looked close from where I was standing

Scapegoat

10-12-2009, 01:28 PM

i loved that turn around... i probably did a bad thing by increasing the throttle during it, but it was sweet to feel the back end sliding around through the turn. I felt like i kept momentum going through the turn and felt like i transitioned through that box thing smoothly on 1 or 2 of the runs.

there was one where i went into it with the back loose, felt like i skirted around in there and came out of it with the back end sliding back out, hooked and kept going.

jdmcrx88

10-12-2009, 02:13 PM

i worked station 4 at yesterdays autox and there were plenty of cars that lost their ass end at the turnaround..my co driver successfully did a descent drift at the turnaround with my crx..kinda scary but fun..:lol:

Scapegoat

10-12-2009, 02:30 PM

haha yeah, i was at station 3 and saw quite a bit myself.

i was impressed by the amount of people that came into that last slalom way too fast and locked up their brakes... we lost a lot of cones there because people would be taking them with

Mental

10-12-2009, 02:54 PM

Yeah, especially in the afternoon when people really started pushing it; I slid right toward the grass there and killed my last run :(

nrgotenk

10-12-2009, 03:06 PM

TalonTsi97

10-12-2009, 03:18 PM

1st heat was very entertaining...
Coarse was great

best run with super slow turn around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyFESmBf5NE

and fastest I could manage with some sloppy driving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqSqW6VLAkg

Nice vids, i got a lot to load up from the starting line but between homework and being a little lazy/tired after a longgggg weekend i'm not sure when I'll get them up.

Scapegoat

10-12-2009, 03:36 PM

the course was a lot of fun... i wish we got a third run at the end of the day :(

alwaysinboost

10-12-2009, 03:52 PM

1st heat was very entertaining...
Coarse was great

best run with super slow turn around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyFESmBf5NE

and fastest I could manage with some sloppy driving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqSqW6VLAkg

I only watched the second one, but it looked good to me. I didn't have the sound up, what kind of times did you lay down?

Roadkilled75

10-12-2009, 04:39 PM

As the time writer, I did notice 3 cars that were off-course for all three morning runs. The yaris was one of them. Also a 240 and a focus. I told an instructor, who then spoke with all three and rode with one or two in the afternoon. Two of them accepted the help and did better. The focus went from off-off-off-off-2ndinclass!. The 240 stayed on course and posted a respectable time. The yaris went off course for two more runs. I don't know why, or what went on or how advice/offers to help were received, just saying that when the pattern was noticed, something was done about it and it helped some people. We do our best, but it's pretty fast paced helping run an event.

The announcer's comments, well, that's another story. It was pretty harsh for what should have been perceived as a non-regular autoxer. I don't think it was called for, but I was too busy to call him on it.

Snoozie

10-12-2009, 06:08 PM

I won't speak for Keith (Buster) but I will say that the first 2 runs, he didn't know where he was going off course. Before the 3rd run he walked the course and figured out where he was going wrong. But, on his 3rd run, after coming out of the first slalom he got mixed up and again, went off course. I really doubt he sat there blaming the car and not himself, I didn't hear him say anything other than he went oc. And, although I'm sure it sounds like I'm making excuses, he wasn't feeling well but decided to not waste his $55 and ran anyway.

Like Justin said, I think that Keith was probably trying to drive the Yaris like he did the Subaru. I'm sure the Scrubble takes some getting used considering what he came from...

Buster

10-12-2009, 06:32 PM

Harsh man,

I can say full confidence that I know full well my runs were slow. 1) because I have no clue yet how to drive the car and 2) It understeers at 15mph. I never got the camber bolts in due to the alignment rack being on the fritz. So I wasnt going to wing it. My issue on the course that kept messing me up was that the last slalom before the turn around just wasnt marked clear enough for me. When I realized it I didnt go off course there on my last run but prior because lol, I closed my eyes coming out of the first one and when I opened them I got all confused lol.

As for the remarks about my car? First of all, he has no right to question my reasoning, let alone call it ugly. Secondly I was in no way the slowest car there. Maybe not the cleanest run but not the slowest. And when I called them out on it because I was truly offended. They made me out to be the bad guy. Thats what pissed me off. Don't preach about getting out and driving if you're going to be offensive to the cars that are out there. God forbid I dont have a Miata/vette/Evo/Solstice.

I will be back, stiffened up with my 615s for the next run.

russiankid

10-12-2009, 06:36 PM

Don't worry about it, Keith. The first time I ran I under steered horribly. My second time out, I learned to trail brake and shaved off a few seconds do to coming into the apex correctly.

Scapegoat

10-12-2009, 06:44 PM

glad you'll be back out keith. give them hell buddy.

there is a south jersey event on the 25th. i'm going to try my best to get my ass to that one... but i'm not sure since twastheglow and his girl are staying over... see if i can drag them out and maybe get mike to run in his bmw

russiankid

10-12-2009, 06:50 PM

Scapegoat

10-12-2009, 06:51 PM

Mike didn't notify me he is coming?

<--Sad panda.

we've been talking about it in the off topic thread. he'll be down 23rd at night sometime and leaving on the 25th some time. we're going to the ren faire on the 24th

russiankid

10-12-2009, 06:53 PM

we've been talking about it in the off topic thread. he'll be down 23rd at night sometime and leaving on the 25th some time. we're going to the ren faire on the 24th

Damn I will be in Philly for my grandpa's birthday on the 24th.

Buster

10-12-2009, 10:37 PM

Just about EVERYONE there is willing to help anyone out. whether its to loan a tool, give advice about the course, car setup, tire pressures or whatever. The thing is that you have to be willing to accept their help.

I know for a fact the guy driving the yaris was asked by someone if he wanted an instructor after his 4th run. His response was "its not me, its the car, it won't turn" or something along those lines. If he would have let someone with experience ride with him or drive his car I'm sure it would have been an eye opening experience.

Thats actually not what I said. I commented on the fact that it was understeering badly. I heated the tires up bad on my last run when I missed second gear and decided to ride out 1st through the slalom. by the time i got out of it I just slid everywhere. I didnt feel like going for my last one. I had a real bad headache at the end of the day and just wanted to go home.

When Jason I believe his name was asked me if I wanted a ride along. since I went off course. I had found my OC spot and knew where my mistake was. This was not my first Auto X, just my first Yaris/ FWD run.

BTW, I don't quite agree with my times being slow. There are so many cars that ran slower than me. My first run was slow because I was feeling the course like I always do.

russiankid

10-12-2009, 11:08 PM

Thats actually not what I said. I commented on the fact that it was understeering badly. I heated the tires up bad on my last run when I missed second gear and decided to ride out 1st through the slalom. by the time i got out of it I just slid everywhere. I didnt feel like going for my last one. I had a real bad headache at the end of the day and just wanted to go home.

When Jason I believe his name was asked me if I wanted a ride along. since I went off course. I had found my OC spot and knew where my mistake was. This was not my first Auto X, just my first Yaris/ FWD run.

BTW, I don't quite agree with my times being slow. There are so many cars that ran slower than me. My first run was slow because I was feeling the course like I always do.

I know I don't have a lot of experience in autox but I have autox'd a FWD car. Are you familiar with trail braking? Basically, you brake in the turn. This way the weight shifts to the front and you wont under steer as much.

Buster

10-13-2009, 07:52 AM

Yes I am, I even lowered the rear pressures to try and help.

russiankid

10-13-2009, 08:01 AM

I ran 50psi all around in my Honda, but the rear did come out constantly in the turns.

alwaysinboost

10-13-2009, 08:12 AM

Yes I am, I even lowered the rear pressures to try and help.

lowering the rear pressure would increase understeer

Roadkilled75

10-13-2009, 08:14 AM

Yes I am, I even lowered the rear pressures to try and help.

I don't know anything about the handling or suspension geometry of a yaris, but I get my slow little fwd car to rotate by keeping rear pressures higher than the front by 7 or more psi in the race tires. When I was running all seasons, it was a 10psi gap. I also put the less grippy tires on the rear. Combined with my solid rear beam, this makes the car almost tail-happy. Since the front tires are limiting your grip anyway, it might be something to try next time. FWD is definitely very different than rwd or awd as far as driving style. The first time I autoxed a fwd car, I plowed it all over the place. Got the hang of that for a few years, borrowed a rwd car for one event, and slid the back end all over because I was in the habit of trying to get the rear around :o

bronxbomber252

10-13-2009, 09:34 AM

lowering the rear pressure would increase understeer

I agree... in my last car (RSX-S) I ran about 44PSI rear and 38 front on all season tires to get the car to turn... even then it didn't rotate nearly as well as I would have liked.... in my Current RWD car (S2000) I decrease rear pressure to keep the rear planted.

Scapegoat

10-13-2009, 10:08 AM

ebrake... haha. i did that once in the srt to get around a turn when i was coming in too fast. slide the back end out enough to clear

oneday

10-13-2009, 10:13 AM

Harsh man,
Sorry, I tend to be blunt about critique.

My issue on the course that kept messing me up was that the last slalom before the turn around just wasnt marked clear enough for me.
That's is why, if don't have a full understanding of the course, you should always accept an instructor/co-pilot/navigator on your first run(s).

When I realized it I didnt go off course there on my last run but prior because lol, I closed my eyes coming out of the first one and when I opened them I got all confused lol.
I don't think I hardly even blink will autoxing (I know of a few guys that definitely don't).

As for the remarks about my car? First of all, he has no right to question my reasoning, let alone call it ugly.

You have a PM about this and:
Did you see the salmon/beige/primer Miata out there? He gets crap all the time because of the appearance of that. Oh, there is also this guy in the ugliest Festiva, ever "it regulary beats Vettes... and has a few FTD's to it's credit" (not from our region). Remember fast doesn't always mean pretty and vice versa.
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1963/withbumper.jpg

Some thoughts, not directed specifically at Buster, but more at the situation and feed back given and the response it garners:
We (experienced autocrossers) see a_lot_ of tuner type folks come out to events, make a few runs that aren't overly competitive then complain about not being competitive while blaming the car, the weather, the surface, the alignment of the planets, etc and never accept an instructor ride along (I can only assume to protect their ego). Most of these folks, sadly, never come back to another event. The thing they are not considering is everyone at the event has to deal with the same factors (not the same car [obviously], but the same grip, sun, wind, course layout) and that is what makes an autox a competition.

How you deal with these factors and how you control your car--no matter what prep level your car is at (and you know how prepped your car is, you also know how to take a corner on the street)--is what separates the winners from the whiners.

I've been going to autocrosses on and off for 12 years now. I've taken two different novice schools, an Evolution Performance Driving (autocross specific) School, have instructed countless students, taught at four novice schools, and was the Novice Chief for a year. My point? At the last event I was at, another veteran axer approached me after my second run and said he thought I was taking a specific element wrong. He rode with me and showed me what to do differently. I dropped time (about .2s--an eternity in autocross) because of the advice.

We are all always learning. So, my advice, next time any of you are at an autocross:
1. Ask for an instructor.
2. If an instructor asks if you want help, say yes.
3. Ask if you can ride with your instructor (or any other driver--offer not valid in NJ because of their stupid laws) in their car (be prepared for them to say no if they are in a tight class/PAX battle).
4. If an instructor offers to drive your car to show you the line/car capabilities or driving technique, say yes.

If I am going to be at an event, do not hesitate to ask me to co-drive, instruct, advise, or just observe and report. I'd be more than happy to help.

Buster

10-13-2009, 04:56 PM

If he had come to me on my second run and not my last run I would have been all over having him ride along.

I also suck at life lol, I meant to say I lowered my front psi lol not my rear. I was running 35 in the rear and 28 in the front. I did help alot as could be seen on my second run.

Like I said, I've never raced FWD before so I don't blame the car. It just sucks that the rack at my shop wasnt working when I put the camber bolts in and I had to take them back out. So I was running with -.75 in the front.

BTW does anyone have an action shot of my car so I could see what the roll looked like? I felt like my fenders touched the ground.

russiankid

10-13-2009, 04:58 PM

Only 35psi? What tire size are you running?

Buster

10-13-2009, 05:14 PM

Only 35psi? What tire size are you running?

205/50/15 on a 15x7.5 wheel.

Roadkilled75

10-13-2009, 05:15 PM

If he had come to me on my second run and not my last run I would have been all over having him ride along.

That's one thing you can't really ask for...mind-reading. Going off course or having difficulty once or twice isn't really a red flag to event operators. It's a mistake, it's learning the course, it's overdriving the surface, it's getting used to a new car, etc. So unless you've got that novice "N' on the car, it's unlikely an instructor would approach you that early in the day. No reason to...it's not like you were making 80 second runs and going off course multiple times or in an obvious manner.

Since it is announced after each run that someone is off course, and since instructors are available for the asking, they don't typically offer up advice or ride-alongs until it's obvious that someone may not know they are going off, or don't know where they are going off. Unfortunately, I noticed three people could have really used that instructor heading into 4th runs, and he only caught up with two of you before the last run. Luck of the draw, sorry it worked that way :-/

For future reference, it is okay (but don't abuse it) to go up to the truck and ask whether you were on or off course or what the cone calls were, if you didn't hear the announcement and/or have any doubts. Just be patient, it's hectic in there at times, but we'll get the info for you.

russiankid

10-13-2009, 05:16 PM

Were the tires rolling a lot? I'd run a bit more, then again I don't know how 50 series tires would roll.

Buster

10-13-2009, 05:26 PM

The tires didnt roll at all, they actually are a little small for a 7.5" wheel. I know I put them on. Plus they are Toyo Proxes, the sidewall isnt all that soft really. The tires did better than I expected but I will run my Falkens next time. I just need to pick up a third set of wheels. Hopefully a set of 7" wide steelies.

Zillon

10-13-2009, 08:21 PM

Keith,

Bump your rears up to the full max recommended PSI. Take the fronts down to around 7 PSI less than max. Decrease PSI until the car starts to oversteer, and then add 2 PSI to the front.

I run my car at 50 PSI in the rear, 39 up front. Handles wonderfully.

You have a rear sway, right? If not, get one, dial in the front camber, and concentrate on tire pressure next time out. :wink:

Buster

10-13-2009, 08:37 PM

No RSB yet, Its on my list. I pretty much was basing this AutoX around if it would be worth putting any more cash into this car. I'm still undecided.

TalonTsi97

10-14-2009, 12:23 AM

Just posted around 50 videos from the starting line. If you were there and don't see your car let me know and i'll check to see if i have a video of it. http://www.youtube.com/user/talontsi97

Scapegoat

10-14-2009, 07:19 AM

Just posted around 50 videos from the starting line. If you were there and don't see your car let me know and i'll check to see if i have a video of it. http://www.youtube.com/user/talontsi97

sweet. i didn't think i was getting that close to the cones on the slalom there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hA5COzE6sY

Mental

10-14-2009, 08:26 AM

Argg no YouTube at work!!! I gotta remember this for when I get home haha

TalonTsi97

10-14-2009, 08:39 AM

Argg no YouTube at work!!! I gotta remember this for when I get home haha

Sorry i didn't get any videos of your car. Were you the lowered silver accord with exhaust?

bronxbomber252

10-14-2009, 08:57 AM

^^^ Damn... none of my S2k (91 STU2) oh well... great work man!

Mental

10-14-2009, 09:04 AM

Sorry i didn't get any videos of your car. Were you the lowered silver accord with exhaust?

Yeah, ah well maybe next time; you planning to going to the next event? Or if that's cancelled the one NJ on the same day?

jdmcrx88

10-14-2009, 09:30 AM

awesome..nice movies of my crx ..thanks

alwaysinboost

10-14-2009, 09:42 AM

Nice vids Chip.

TalonTsi97

10-14-2009, 09:58 AM

^^^ Damn... none of my S2k (91 STU2) oh well... great work man!

I probably have vids of it i gotta look through them again. What color is it?

bronxbomber252

10-14-2009, 04:54 PM

^^^ Red... its a first gen (AP1) and has silver colored 17's... top down I have a red white and black helmet. my numbers and decals are white mostly

Buster

10-14-2009, 08:43 PM

Just posted around 50 videos from the starting line. If you were there and don't see your car let me know and i'll check to see if i have a video of it. http://www.youtube.com/user/talontsi97

Thanks for the vid. I spun way too hard. I was really trying to get out fast without spinning. Thanks again I'm really happy with how flat the car stayed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJe973Mtjww

bronxbomber252

10-14-2009, 09:15 PM

just saw the one of my Car... wasn't one of my better launches but it was cool none the less... I need to get someone to video me though a slalom some time so I can see how close I am getting.

TalonTsi97

10-14-2009, 10:50 PM

Simmons-Racing

10-14-2009, 11:08 PM

TalonTsi97

10-14-2009, 11:24 PM

Do you have any of 71 Pro C/S Silver Solstice?

Eric

Sorry, I must have missed it but now that i know your on here i'll keep an eye out for it at the next event i'm at.

nrgotenk

10-15-2009, 12:00 AM

Thanks for the vidz!

Cy76

10-15-2009, 11:50 AM

Uploaded more videos from sunday of a few members on here. Like i said earlier if anyone wants me to add anything to the vids like a mod list or if i got any info of the car wrong please let me know.
http://www.youtube.com/user/talontsi97

Wow, very very cool stuff -- thank you!

Here's my favorite (of me, of course) -- launched off the two-step, wiggled the second slalom cone and you can see the Evo rotate in the offset...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU_8z6Iku9U

Buster

11-03-2009, 06:00 PM

Did anyone end up posting pics? I cant find any.

TalonTsi97

11-03-2009, 06:04 PM

Did anyone end up posting pics? I cant find any.

There are tons of sweet shots on the phillyscca website.
http://www.phillyscca.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=354bafdc676bbf6562bde4c84d34e71c

For example http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2688/4016371578_5572620f7e.jpg