buying a new coilover setup

[DC2-Chris]

well i have had ksports on my integra for about 2 years now and been riding pretty low on them and around the 2 year mark the rear struts began leaking real bad. well now the struts are pretty much blown to **** in the rear. so im thinking of getting functin and form coilovers but i wanted to know what some other clean slammed honda owners or anyone riding slammed are using. this way hopefully i dont fall into the same problem i did with the ksports
thanks chris

[JDMTyler3326]

You should look into Koni or Buddy Club's. I have heard they both are good coilovers. Also do you have any more pics of your integra?

[mg23]

gc/koni yellows

[Got Insulin?]

You should look into Koni or Buddy Club's. I have heard they both are good coilovers. Also do you have any more pics of your integra?

Koni, to my knowledge, only produces struts, not actual C/Os.

gc/koni yellows

Bingo.

[JDMTyler3326]

Koni, to my knowledge, only produces struts, not actual C/Os.



Bingo.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1937494

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[Got Insulin?]

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1937494

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LOL, like I said, to my knowledge they. I stand corrected.

[JDMTyler3326]

LOL, like I said, to my knowledge they. I stand corrected.

Let me try this again.
http://www.koni.com/51.html

? Are those Coilovers?

[Got Insulin?]

Let me try this again.
http://www.koni.com/51.html

? Are those Coilovers?

Let me try this again. I just addmitted that I was wrong, and that you were right in the idea that Koni made coilovers.

[JDMTyler3326]

Let me try this again. I just addmitted that I was wrong, and that you were right in the idea that Koni made coilovers.

OOO sorry man. I red that wrong.

[DC2-Chris]

yah ill post some more pixs up for you, they are all grass shots unfortunalty i didnt take them some random lady did. but has anyone heard anything form function i found a pretty amazin deal on them thats why im asking and also everyone rocks the gc/koni setup im not trying to be like everyone who owns a honda haha

[Foolinaround]

dont do gc/koni,spend a few extra dollars and you can have full coils. Theres a sponsor on ht selling type 1's for 630 shipped,i just bought a set of buddy club n+ spec 16 level of dampening coils without the pillow mounts for 750 shipped

[DC2-Chris]

im sorry what are you refferring to when u say type 1's? u mean the function and form. and dont worry im not going with gc.koni i loved my ksports even though they suck now but i dont think ill go back to a regular spring strut setup ever. how are the buddy clubs? thats the kinda of camber kit im going with fouond it on weaksos for 265 front and rear

[Foolinaround]

Havent got em yet,they are on their way.

And yes type 1 F&F they dont have dampening ability though so thats why i went with the BC

[mg23]

i got my gc/koni setup for $500 :p

[DC2-Chris]

im not to worried about the adjustable dampening bc i think thats what got messed up with the ksports when i had them. they are 36 way adjustable dampening and its just a crazy mess tryna to set them all to the same dampening. but yeah thanks i foound those function form type 1's on another site for the same price so i may go with them.

[marecco]

dont do gc/koni,spend a few extra dollars and you can have full coils. Theres a sponsor on ht selling type 1's for 630 shipped,i just bought a set of buddy club n+ spec 16 level of dampening coils without the pillow mounts for 750 shipped

koni/gc are better than pretty much any full bodied coilover that is reasonably priced. i would go with the koni/gc route. if you really want full bodied look into PIC performance. They are a great company and track test all their products.

where i think koni/gc has the best advantage is in the fact that both the koni shocks and gc coilover sleeves have a lifetime warranty. so if something blows 2 years down the road your covered.

just my .02 cents

[4DR_DB7]

I've heard good things about Form and Function/Function and Form coilovers for tegs. If you can get a good deal on them, then by all means, but like Marecco referenced, when the F&F shocks go in 2 years, you have to buy a whole new set of coils - unless you just drop in a replacement shock which won't be valved the same.

And just to clear up the Koni/GC idea, simply because I've been doing a LOT of research on the subject:
1) The GCs are not simple a spring, its a coilover sleeve system with adjustable height and you can also get extended top-hats for them. This setup is a coilover in essence. Really the only thing additional you get with coilovers is the upper mount, which sometimes its better to retain the factory mount.. And this is where the top-hats come in handy too.
2) the GC springs are availabe in a variety of custom spring rates specific to your application. Ie. they have ranges of spring rates to choose from for tegs.
2.5) The GC springs are made by Eibach, pretty much one of the best spring manufacturers in the world, do you know who makes the F&F springs?....
3) The Koni Yellows are street and track proven for YEARS and years to be a great strut/shock for this chassis. Plus, again like Marecco said, if they blow you can have them rebuilt and even re-valved w/ custom rates.

[DC2-Chris]

so if the gc/koni setup sounds like a really good deal due to the lifetime warranty. how do you sign up for the warranty? and what do the extended top hats do? also am going to have the same range of height adjustment as i would with coils?

does anyone know a website where i can get the gc/koni setup and figure out what spring rates would be best?

[[sr20]sean]

megan racing track series

[mg23]

you will be able to pancake ur **** to the floor with the combo, but if you plan on doing that get the tophats

[4DR_DB7]

so if the gc/koni setup sounds like a really good deal due to the lifetime warranty. how do you sign up for the warranty? and what do the extended top hats do? also am going to have the same range of height adjustment as i would with coils?

does anyone know a website where i can get the gc/koni setup and figure out what spring rates would be best?


The GC tophats replace the OE top mount and fit better with the GC upper spring perch. Just makes for a more snug and OE like install which helps to eliminate some of the issues with mounting coilovers into OE topmounts. Not necessary, but a nice piece to use. You only need 2 for the front struts.

Check out ImportDPSOnline.com, you can find more info on the GC coiloevers and Koni shocks there. Or you could also check out each manufacturer's website (google search). I would buy from Import DPS, they are one of the best places for aftermarket parts in Philly, if not the best. And you can select your vehicle on their website, and it will show you all the parts available for your car. LOTS of options. :)

I believe I saw GC's range of spring rates on their site. I'm sure Rick @ ImportDPS can help you if he's not too busy too. They have springs w/ the same rates as the OE springs, then incrementally stiffer too.

You will have roughly the same range of height adjustment, btw, I think the top hats also allow you more range of height adjustment w/o losing shock travel. If you are planning on going excessively low then you will likely want camber-correction kits as well.

As far as the Koni warranty, you probably just have to mail in a form after you purchase the shocks. idk, but i'm sure its not too hard. :) GL!

[dragonfly2k3]

The GC tophats replace the OE top mount and fit better with the GC upper spring perch. Just makes for a more snug and OE like install which helps to eliminate some of the issues with mounting coilovers into OE topmounts. Not necessary, but a nice piece to use. You only need 2 for the front struts.


wrong, the extended top hats allow for extended travel of the strut. Unlike a full bodies coilover, when you go lower on a spring/strut combo you lose travel(most full bodies set-ups are adjustable from the lower mount, rather than the perch.) You really should get extended top hats for all 4 corners if you plan on being that low, although you'll have to make the call between what is actually stopping your travel, the strut body hitting the mount, or the ball joint hitting the sheet metal.

[JDMTyler3326]

so if the gc/koni setup sounds like a really good deal due to the lifetime warranty. how do you sign up for the warranty? and what do the extended top hats do? also am going to have the same range of height adjustment as i would with coils?

does anyone know a website where i can get the gc/koni setup and figure out what spring rates would be best?

Here is a good deal on Function forum coilovers.
http://www.hondamarketplace.com/showthread.php?t=2620335

[4DR_DB7]

wrong, the extended top hats allow for extended travel of the strut. Unlike a full bodies coilover, when you go lower on a spring/strut combo you lose travel(most full bodies set-ups are adjustable from the lower mount, rather than the perch.) You really should get extended top hats for all 4 corners if you plan on being that low, although you'll have to make the call between what is actually stopping your travel, the strut body hitting the mount, or the ball joint hitting the sheet metal.


WRONG!!!!!!!! lol. I love how everyone just loves to troll and Pwn in this forum, its not about being helpful, its about sticking it to people and trying to call people on being "wrong"...

Next time read first before you try to PWN DragonFLY.

From my post: "You will have roughly the same range of height adjustment, btw, I think the top hats also allow you more range of height adjustment w/o losing shock travel."

PWNT. :roll:

[dragonfly2k3]

correct, you did say that, however, the top hats are not designed around cleaning up the install, their sole purpose is to provide for a longer travel. In all honest, the best way to go about this is going to be high-end full bodies coilovers(pic) if you want to be that slammed and not destroy struts. However, how have you not gotten tired of being that low. It breaks parts so often. AND, i was correcting the statement about only the fronts being beneficial.

[evomike]

I love gc's with konis I don't care if they are full bodied or not.

[DC2-Chris]

yeah well i dont have my stock strut mounts anymore so i am assuming that i neeed the top hats in order to get rhe gc/koni steup right
yeah idc about being really low im getting the camber kit from buddly club and new lcas and suspension braces.. hopefully that elminates some of the issues i may have.
drangonfly - the only reason i am leaning towards this setup is bc i was told that koni's have a lifetime warranty so i wont have to worry about blowing struts

[evomike]

Groundcontrol.com not sure if it's that or ground-control.com

[Fit-FTW]

weaksauce has the koni/gc setup cheap!

[DC2-Chris]

yeah bc i just check the importdpsonline.com and they said that the koni yellows were not compatiable with the gc. and then it said i can only lower my car up to 3.5 inches!! i lose a hole inch from what i have now ahah

[DC2-Chris]

this sucks weaksauce doesnt have the extended top hats for the 98 integra only the older ones no i dunno what to do ahhhh

[4DR_DB7]

weaksauce has the koni/gc setup cheap!

I noticed that. ImportDPS would also be a good place to buy from. Rick knows his Hondas and he could probably help you decide on spring rates, etc...

[DC2-Chris]

well i just priced it out with the top hats from weaksuce its close to 1,200 that seems a little steep considering u can buy full coils for half that

[4DR_DB7]

well i just priced it out with the top hats from weaksuce its close to 1,200 that seems a little steep considering u can buy full coils for half that

should be around $800 for the Koni Shocks + GC coilover system... not sure what else you are pricing or how much the top hats are, but like I said, you only really need top-hats for the front.

Do whatever you want though man, if you're only going to have the car for a short time so that you aren't worried about the life of the shocks or having to replace them, then by all means just go with some cheaper coiloevers. but you get what you pay for in most cases.

[4DR_DB7]

yeah bc i just check the importdpsonline.com and they said that the koni yellows were not compatiable with the gc. and then it said i can only lower my car up to 3.5 inches!! i lose a hole inch from what i have now ahah

There is a GC kit that is compatible with the Koni yellow shocks.>>> says up to 4" of lowering.
http://www.weaksauceparts.com/store/product.php?productid=18850&cat=0&page=1

3.5" drop is more than plenty for a street driven integra bro. Your car is dropped 4.5" inches now??

EDIT: Where u lookin man? lol. Here u go:

Ground Control Coilover system + Koni Yellows + GC Top hats for $1015 w/ free shipping!
http://www.weaksauceparts.com/store/product.php?productid=18820&cat=0&page=1

[Foolinaround]

Ride height and daily driven means nothing its all about how much you wanna scrape.

[4DR_DB7]

FYI - for Form & Functions, the Type 1s are height-adjustable only, no dampening adjustabillity. The Type 2s are the nicer ones with dampening adjustabliity, but they are like $900....

[Foolinaround]

Yeah i covered that already,but nice to reiterate.

[4DR_DB7]

Yeah i covered that already,but nice to reiterate.
You've covered everything. You are awesome and all-knowing. I can only hope to be able to repeat everything you say. :inlove:

[DC2-Chris]

hey 4DR DB7 thanks for helping me out yeah i went on weaksuace and with both front and rear top hats which i need bc i dont have any of the stock parts it said like 1200 but that 1015 is not bad. i definetly agree u get what u paid for bc the ksports blew so hopefullly the warranty will stand.
and btw i just wanted to say no im only dropped about 3.5 i dunno sometimes for just nice days though or during summer i drop it a little lower i love the way it rides and feels so close to the ground

edit: i just went to that site the weaksuace link u sent but that is the price with only one pair of top hats i unfortunatly am going to need both pairs for front and rear

[BigWhiteTodd]

just make top hats not hard