Huffrex goes Xotic

[HuffRex]

Me and a few of my friends are meeting up at Xotic Motorsports in Cochranville, PA to dyno our cars! If anybody wants to stop up and check us out we'll be doing the first car at 6 on Friday!!

[onewsube]

Ill be there.

[HuffRex]

Ill be there.
Awesome man! I prob. be there by 5:30. See you then!!!

[D Money]

O ****. You going to Andy's shop, he is the man. Is he tunning your cars or you just doing dyno pulls. My friend just got his setup done there, EJ207 spec c motor w/ 6 spd trans, SZ49 turbo, blitz fmic, Tial 38mm external waste gate that absolutly screams, and alky injection. Well I guess 400whp isnt bad lol.

[JDMISACULT]

Yeah he has a nice dyno there, and andy is a good guy

[HuffRex]

just baseline i got 243hp and 240 tq, very suprised and pleased!!!

[D Money]

just baseline i got 243hp and 240 tq, very suprised and pleased!!!
at the flywheel or wheels? thats alot of power for only stage 2.

[HuffRex]

at the wheels, no engine managment, fuel nose dived after 4000rpm (pig rich)

[Silverfc88]

Nice man, so what is the plan now?

[D Money]

at the wheels, no engine managment, fuel nose dived after 4000rpm (pig rich)
I find that amazing. I talked to Andy today about my new turbo setup coming, I had asked him about this and he confirmed it. Nice numbers bro, keep modded.

[onewsube]

Mine dynoed way lower than it should have so Andy only did one run. He found that the advaced multiplyer was half of what it should be. Was bummed to find that out. Some pics.
Mine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/acir0300/WRX/dyno.jpg
HuffRex
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/acir0300/WRX/ryandyno.jpg

[D Money]

what was wrong wit it? the what was broke?

[onewsube]

dont know. gotta do compression check and pray that its all good. im hoping that its a clogged cat in the crappy downpipe that was on the car when I bought it.

[D Money]

Damn, that sucks. Kinda gets me scared that I may have something wrong wit my car also. Still super astonished on huffrex's dyno numbers, most stage II wrx's only dyno 220whp, he out powered that by 30whp. Thats nuts.

[gregfeder]

ya those numbers are absurd, congrats man... you got a freak from the factory, like dimitris

[SinistiR]

Whats up guys, this is Andy. Yeah, those numbers are legit, and from his 1/4 mile times/mph, it looks pretty accurate.

[96s14]

not to thread jack but how much do would you charge to tune a turboed 240?

[Orbit]

thats about right. i dynoed at 250 whp with cobb stage 2 and ran 13.1 @ 104 .. but you dont even have a tune do you?

[D Money]

thats about right. i dynoed at 250 whp with cobb stage 2 and ran 13.1 @ 104 .. but you dont even have a tune do you?
nah, just turbo back and mbc. Thats why I was amazed, anyways 13.0 is easy to hit on a stage 2, usually the power sits around 220whp. QTP has the fastest stock turbo wrx which dyno'd at 249whp, it runs 12.7, which is fast for stock turbo.

[Orbit]

well ,i would not say easy. but i know, that 12.7. I have been tying to catch for a long time. that cut out must do wonders.

nah, just turbo back and mbc. Thats why I was amazed, anyways 13.0 is easy to hit on a stage 2, usually the power sits around 220whp. QTP has the fastest stock turbo wrx which dyno'd at 249whp, it runs 12.7, which is fast for stock turbo.

[S4toSTI]

I don't think stg2 on a wrx 13.0's is easy i bet if you go on nasioc and clubwrx you don't find more then 20 people who have pulled 13.0's on stage 2 wrx's.

[HuffRex]

Nice man, so what is the plan now?
this setup was untuned! I plan on doing some body work during the winter, not a performance adder haha...ECUTrek, Greddy 20g Turbo kit, modded stock injectors (thanx andy), walbro 255lph, and turbo xs fmic!

[D Money]

this setup was untuned! I plan on doing some body work during the winter, not a performance adder haha...ECUTrek, Greddy 20g Turbo kit, modded stock injectors (thanx andy), walbro 255lph, and turbo xs fmic!
What a 20g?? Thats nuts bro. Good luck with that on your trans lol.

[HuffRex]

What a 20g?? Thats nuts bro. Good luck with that on your trans lol.
lol well gonna tune it around 300-330hp, meantime I'm deciding if I want upgraded gearsets or a sti 6 spd trans

[TehWagon]

too funny- i just went by there yesterday on my way out to strasburg- on 41 right? i looked over and i was like- oh wow- that's where xotic is! are they building two new bays?

and huff i'm super impressed and jealous- what was the boost set at to eek out that kind of hp???

[HuffRex]

15.5 psi, yeah they moving everything down to the new bays, also they are moving their dynojet too hahah

[TehWagon]

what?! something's not right, ryan. you are seriously lucky!

[HuffRex]

what?! something's not right, ryan. you are seriously lucky!
after 4 grand tho it nosed dived in air/fuel, pig rich!!

[HuffRex]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/PGT91F2T/WRX.jpg

[TehWagon]

wait a tic- dynojets are the ones that read a little more liberally right? how much more liberally? could that explain some of it? i don't want to take the wind out of your sails, huff, but my car is tuned w/just about your mods, and that's a lot more hp to have on an untuned car!

[HuffRex]

does a correction factor need to be used, i got playability with this software

[BobErT-]

You better get that 6 speed tranny, your going to blow it apart if you dont.

[HuffRex]

I was looking more towards the ppg gearset from Andrew Tech Automotive, I don't wanna get too involved with the project!!

[D Money]

Yup, im getting ppg's also. Huffrex, did you already get ur turbo and fmic? I'm tryin to shoot for 330whp on the 18g w/ewg

[HuffRex]

NOPE not yet, without the gears i want 330 with the gears i want 400+

[D Money]

I don't know if that is possible on a 20g man. 400whp is alot bro, I mean my friend did that on a sz49 on an ej207 motor and trans.

[HuffRex]

thats my goal is to reach 400 on a wrx motor....when all said and done, if it can be done, i will do it!

[D Money]

lol more power to ya man.

[silver05bullet]

That thing is just going to blow up into pieces at 400 hp

[gregfeder]

400 is a lot... 330 is even a stretch without an alky kit.. but good luck, get some stage 2 cams in that ej205 head and youre on your way

[HuffRex]

330 is easy as long as the trans holds, 400 is pushing it, I haven't started my research yet...but I believe it can be done!

[SinistiR]

If you want to get to 400whp.......Please step away from the 20G. That is not a large turbo by any means. I dont even consider a Green or SZ49 big anymore, and if you want 400 at the wheels, you will need atleast a Green or SZ49 with water injection to not have to push the turbos abilities. A turbo with a 55lb/min compressor wheel would get you there without a problem.

I dont run the 205s much over 300whp. They seam to like it right around there, and still keep great reliability. 207s and 257 do great around 350-380whp with no issues. When ever you start to get over those #s, upgrading the internals is a good idea. The pistons seem to go first, then rod bearings and finally rods.

Ryans #s are pretty typical of what I would expect of an untuned car. He did have other runs that were lower, but I brought the advance multipier all the way up on that run.

As far as the correction factor goes, I do not use them for turbo cars. The performance of turbo cars is greatly effected my atmospheric conditions, and I like to see that on the graphs.

And yes we are planning on moving next door to us, its going to be 3 bays instead of 2.

[D Money]

Andy, so then would you say to go with an 18g on a ej205, do you think you can pull 320whp out of that with an external wastegate? Would you recommend going external waste gate for the extra $500 bucks (price for ewg and custom welding)?

[SinistiR]

The 18G is the best turbo for the 205. I see no problems getting to 320whp with an EWG on a 18G. The subie motors really like external gates, I always vote external.

[D Money]

The 18G is the best turbo for the 205. I see no problems getting to 320whp with an EWG on a 18G. The subie motors really like external gates, I always vote external.
Andy, I will call you sometime this week to talk, maybe me and Greg will venture down to the shop to talk about setups for me.

[SinistiR]

sounds good to me, I want to get his car back on the dyno anyway, I need a smoother power curve from his car now that the avcr should have learned.

[Orbit]

do you guys have cobb pro tuner?

sounds good to me, I want to get his car back on the dyno anyway, I need a smoother power curve from his car now that the avcr should have learned.

[Smokescreen]

Let me know when everyone is going down again. I haven't been there since last March when they had open dyno days and I need another base line pull (untuned) b/c I got some funky numbers from PhillyDynoworks..

btw, Chris from Xotic is on here somewhere too.

[D Money]

Let me know when everyone is going down again. I haven't been there since last March when they had open dyno days and I need another base line pull (untuned) b/c I got some funky numbers from PhillyDynoworks..

btw, Chris from Xotic is on here somewhere too.
Yo Smokescreen, me and Gregfeder might take a ride down sometime this week, he needs to get a smoother curve as per andy, and me, hell I just need a new setup and don't know what to go with yet. Shoot us a pm if your down.

[gregfeder]

Saturday is probably best for me

[SinistiR]

Sorry, no protuner. I have tuned with street tuner before though.

I will be there most of the day Saturday.

[D Money]

Yea, I'm pretty sure Me, Greg, and Smokescreen are going to roll down. See ya Saturday.

[IMPREZvWRX]

Yup, im getting ppg's also. Huffrex, did you already get ur turbo and fmic? I'm tryin to shoot for 330whp on the 18g w/ewg330 should be easy with the 18G. I regret selling mine, but I did make pretty good power on the VF34 when I went EWG.
does a correction factor need to be used, i got playability with this softwareMost people use SAE CF. Not using a correction factor has your numbers pumped up a bit.
I don't think stg2 on a wrx 13.0's is easy i bet if you go on nasioc and clubwrx you don't find more then 20 people who have pulled 13.0's on stage 2 wrx's.
<--- One of those people.

I put down ~245 on Xotic's Dynojet while I was stage 2...made me kinda unhappy with my stage 4 numbers considering the cost vs. gains. I'll have to dig up my sheets.

[TehWagon]

Not using a correction factor has your numbers pumped up a bit.
define 'a bit'? by how much would you say? are we talking 2 or 3hp or 10-20?

yes chris i stumbled upon your times on that 1/4 mile registry - that was funny to see your name there among all those strangers...

[SinistiR]

When I get to the shop, I will post a few graphs with different correction factors and smoothing so you guys can see the differences.

Andy

[SinistiR]

here are a couple of graphs with different corrections. Smoothing only made about a 1hp and 2tq difference.

This one is uncorrected
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE2NjgyMzZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

This one is with standard correction
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE2NjgyMjZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

This one is sae corrected
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE2NjgyMTZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

I use no correction for turbo cars most of the time and a sae correction for normaly aspirated cars.

[SinistiR]

That sux.