Catted vs Cattless

[S4toSTI]

Which is your car or cars which do you think is better etc.

[xEJ20x]

I am fully catted, but would prefer to be catless.
Need more money for parts.

[MuddyREX]

I am fully catted, but would prefer to be catless.
Need more money for parts.

What he said.

[Intercooled T]

catless. +2psi boost with a testpipe :)

[2point4DSM]

I am catted. I would have bought another muffler instead but they wanted more money for one that would fit, lol. Besides, my car smells better with one....

[MuddyREX]

Besides, my car smells better with one....

I agree. The worst part about the Crab Run for me was being stuck behind Ray from RevItUp in his catless Cobalt SS. I was getting high ten miles into the drive.

[sisforsurfing]

I have one cat, but it'll be gone ASAP. I feel bad sometimes being totally ignorant to the environment, but eh.

Inspection is kind of a hassle...

[RayArroyo]

I agree. The worst part about the Crab Run for me was being stuck behind Ray from RevItUp in his catless Cobalt SS. I was getting high ten miles into the drive.
my srt smells better, im running scented racefuel.

[S4toSTI]

my srt smells better, im running scented racefuel.
So many comments come to mine but all i can say is you and i 1**mph down that road i don't think anyone smelled anything we were going too fast.

[9 Ball]

I’m running a straight pipe. :wink:

[On Sale]

I’m running a straight pipe. :wink:
same here... no cat.

[D Money]

I am fully catless. All three cats have been replaced with up/down pipe. The down pipe knocked out two cats lol.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

I have one cat, but it'll be gone ASAP. I feel bad sometimes being totally ignorant to the environment, but eh.

Inspection is kind of a hassle...Don't feel so bad....our catlass cars pollution output pales in comparison to that of the average bus, or tractor trailer.

[TehWagon]

GOOD point... that makes me feel better!!

right now i'm fully catless... was just supposed to be for the track, but it's too cold to swap back and i am enjoying the smoother acceleration...

maybe one of these warmer days i'll swap back for the winter... :wiggle:

[C'DALERIDER]

same here, no cats. You dont need them. BTW, my cat died thursday. Kind of upset. She just droped dead :cry:

[2point4DSM]

Don't feel so bad....our catlass cars pollution output pales in comparison to that of the average bus, or tractor trailer.

I'm not a tree hugger so I don't care. In fact, my car was catless for a while too and might go that way again for the track this summer.

I will have to disagree with the above statement though. One car vs. one bus... yes. The problem is there are hundreds of cars for every one truck.

[03tarmacblack]

If everyone who was catless decided to save the enviroment and go back to having a cat I would too, but for now my one car wont make a difference.

[TehWagon]

same here, no cats. You dont need them. BTW, my cat died thursday. Kind of upset. She just droped dead :cry:
that's very sad- sorry to hear =[

[igo4bmx]

catless...
turbo'd hondes usually see 10-30 whp gain from going catless, and depending on the amount of power made

[TurboTagTeam]

I have no cats. They are the weakest link in the 7. You gain a TON of power when you take um out.

[drumnatural]

Catless all the way, K-series Race Header replaces header and cat. Bolts directly to catback. 4-2-1 long tube design.

[Chair-Force]

im catless and it really isn't that loud.

[On Sale]

im catless and it really isn't that loud.

me neither, im suprised my car isnt louder then it is... im dissapointed :(

[Raven18940]

I'm catted now, and when I get a full exhaust I'll have a performance cat. I hate the way catless cars smell, and with a good performance one there's nearly no difference in power. And yes, I care about the environment some, so sue me. :)

[300zTT]

catless all the way!

[HickRocket1258]

Well my mustang has cats but that is because it's stock but I hope to switch it out soon with a Magnaflow catted X pipe. My camaro that I race though with a 383 has a 4" cat though. People tell me to yank it but I'm fine with it, plus a 4" inlet and outlet flowmaster muffler in the back.

[2Mopars1Ford]

A well tuned car really shouldn't smell bad even with no cats.
You couldn't even tell my 95 GT was catless.
The 02 GT will be getting a pypes settup with cats soon, 2 high flow cats (instead of my 4)on an x pipe for 259$ mustang parts are dirt cheap:P

[TehWagon]

define well-tuned... on the lean side? i'm 'safely' tuned and mine stanks!

[Silver04STi]

I went from 3 cats(1 in the UP and 2 in the DP) to a single high flow in the DP. There is a soft spot in me for the environment so I couldn't go completely catless

[Adamblitzer]

i have 1 highflow cat, the sti has a catless Uppipe stock.. and i replaced my DP with a high flow cat .. and took out my mid pipe. I have the borla "hush" twin tip and i wish it made a little more noise.. i feel like going catless could give me the noise i am looking for though. but barry.. on the sti.. you see 1-3 hp tops, is it REALLy worth it?

[Silverfc88]

No cats here and I get plenty of comments of how much my car stinks, but I think it has something to do with running 2cycle also.. Oh well..

[96s14]

i will be catless and mufflerless soon. i think it will be really loud

[04 Turbo Spec]

i am catless and mufflerless.

i pass emissions no problem without cats

[WRXD]

Catless here too! Im amazed at the many 'pro-catless' people that are on here--go to NASIOC and everyone guilts you if you are running catless, citing fines and the environment. its to the point where I am afraid to tell anyone I am catless because I am used to so many bad reactions.

[1988 Olds]

Dual High Flow Cats

[AMF Racing]

i am catless and lovin every minute of it!!

[C'DALERIDER]

With an " cobb universal map-vf34" my cattless car did have more "fumes" because it was running rich (cobb safe maps). Now, with streeTuner and custom tune it is much better. FYI , One reason i decided i did not want "cats" was because the wrx runs hot (turbo cars) and cattless realy did make a difference in engin compartment temp's, especially the uppipe. IMHO.

[Broken5hift]

im more of a dog lover. no cats for me.

i wonder if the cops are writing this down?

[Intercooled T]

cops don't care really, they're not the ones who inspect the cars.

[Broken5hift]

cops don't care really, they're not the ones who inspect the cars.

......... if they find you driving without a cat or a gutted cat you will get fined (alot of money) and will have to have a cat put on or your car impounded. if they find the place that un-installed or gutted your cat the shop is fined and usually losses its liscense.

having a catless car is very illegal. if you think cops dont care you dont know what your talking about.

[TehWagon]

as with most situations, it most likely depends on the individual officer and how far in depth they want to go and/or what you were doing wrong in the first place.

[1988 Olds]

How many people are pulled over and asked if they have Cats on their car.

[Broken5hift]

How many people are pulled over and asked if they have Cats on their car.

ive had them bring the mirror out under my car before.

EDIT: but i do live in newtown :(

[TehWagon]

and had you been pulled over for speeding primarily?

[Broken5hift]

and had you been pulled over for speeding primarily?

no i was pulled over for excessive exhaust noise. i was driving an 00 GSR with thermal catback.

[Broken5hift]

the point im trying to make is, they can F your day up if they catch you without a cat. they have their own little task force which focuses on just this issue. anyone that works at a garage that does emissions knows how serious the consequence is. im just trying to get out there that its not some laid back situation so people are more prepared when it comes to making the decision to go catless or if they get pulled over for it. if the cops near you dont care thats awsome but around me i know to keep my shat legal in the eyes of the law :D

[OWENthatsmyname]

im catless..... in DE they just do a visual inspection and an OBD-II test, and the visual is usually just by passed. plus i dont care. hahaha

o well i still have one cat in my uppipe. WOO!

[2point4DSM]

ive had them bring the mirror out under my car before.
EDIT: but i do live in newtown :(
I heard certain roads in NJ were strict, too. Not sure if they are still like this. And if a cop is following you it is easy to tell. So I would rather not have to worry about that sort of stuff. But it is nice to know that Newtown can be tough about it too.

Not that I would ever drive the DSM into newtown....

[themadhatter]

the galant and bmw are catless but the galant has a 3" magnaflow cat waiting for it. Already been pulled over by the NJ state police for a loud exhaust....on 78 of all places. the cat should quiet it up and make it legal for inspection since I've never done that...ever. :D

[2point4DSM]

the galant and bmw are catless but the galant has a 3" magnaflow cat waiting for it. Already been pulled over by the NJ state police for a loud exhaust....on 78 of all places. the cat should quiet it up and make it legal for inspection since I've never done that...ever. :D

DSMs are loud for some reason. That is one of the reasons I went with a cat too, and a superterd muffler (read: restrictive).

[Intercooled T]

my car doesn't sound any louder being catless. My exhaust is not as bad as most ricers cruising around. another reason i'm glad i don't live in newtown :)

[Broken5hift]

living in newtown with a fast or loud non luxury car = police harassment.

[TehWagon]

o well i still have one cat in my uppipe. WOO!
:eek: that's the worst one! get that outta there!

[xEJ20x]

If you have some cops pull a mirror to check for cats, you might wanna get an old cat shield and put it on your racepipe. :mrgreen:

[DropTopChevy]

Both cats and resonators on the passat but i havent really gotten my hands on it yet, and the camaro still has its cat.

[Broken5hift]

If you have some cops pull a mirror to check for cats, you might wanna get an old cat shield and put it on your racepipe. :mrgreen:

or you could just put a straight pipe through your car :)

[max2k1]

living in newtown with a fast or loud non luxury car = police harassment.
stop yelling "I smell bacon" when you drive by them :mrgreen:

[Broken5hift]

stop yelling "I smell bacon" when you drive by them :mrgreen:

never. thats my tax dollars hard at work.

[themadhatter]

isn't newton out in the woods of sparta? I remember driving out there once......the cops are pretty strict.

[2point4DSM]

my car doesn't sound any louder being catless. My exhaust is not as bad as most ricers cruising around. :)

Supras are one of the best when it comes to having a large exhaust and being quiet. I'm surprised with some of the soobies, too. And I like the way a GN motor sounds nice even with a fender dump tube.

[Intercooled T]

i would like to get an electric cutout @ my downpipe, they're so nice and sound REALLY mean. after I finish bodywork this winter, I can get a bigger dp + cutout :)

[sur4die]

i mitigated my cattless setup with a couple pieces.

first, i have a mad-dad 3ce pipe. it looks like a high flow, but isn't.
second, i have the borla twin-tip resonated cat-back. also known as the "hush", so it's not too loud.

[JoeScooby]

catless and stanky, about to by a highflow for the 3rd pipe though. All this talk about cops is making me nervous, they also do random checks around us. I think Karl was waived by one over on rt 541

[Broken5hift]

isn't newton out in the woods of sparta? I remember driving out there once......the cops are pretty strict.

im right on the NJ border. im in bucks county. i dont even know where sparta is?

[2point4DSM]

im right on the NJ border. im in bucks county. i dont even know where sparta is?

Sparta is in Greece. It was the famous warrior state that was really strict. I think Achilles was a spartan.

I suppose the cops are strict like spartans around you.

[max2k1]

he faught with the spartans but had his own group, Mermindans (sp)

[Broken5hift]

wtf are you people on. and why isnt anyone sharing.

[max2k1]

LMAO...i dont share well :wiggle:

[DropTopChevy]

What is going on here?
:rotfl:

[silver05bullet]

Catless here 2, unless they start to check for cats randomly on the streets i wont go back to the cat till its time for inspection and then its prolly going on for only a day or two at the most :thumbup:

[themadhatter]

im right on the NJ border. im in bucks county. i dont even know where sparta is?
my mistake, I meant sussex county. sparta is also in sussex county....I just got the two mixed up.

any trips into sussex county require a satellite phone, 1 week supply of food/water, extra fuel, space heater, rifle w/extra ammo and sleeping bags.

[awdlaserbeam]

Dont catless cars tend to bend valves more frequently?? it is to my understanding that most motors require some back-pressure to perform optimaly

[2point4DSM]

Dont catless cars tend to bend valves more frequently?? it is to my understanding that most motors require some back-pressure to perform optimaly

Your turbo provides all the backpressure you will ever need.

[sisforsurfing]

All the talk about getting pulled over gets me worried, but my car's is totally stock looking (including the exhaust), just a bit louder. If I were driving a lowered, kitted car I'd worry more.

[2point4DSM]

The reason my car is the way it is (cat and as quiet as a 3" can be on a DSM) is because we were in the Boston, Ma area for a while and they were just starting to crack down over there as we were getting ready to move down here. DSMrs were reporting that they were getting pulled over all the time for exhaust noise violation. And up there it was an insurance surchargeable offense. One guy was paying close to $2k more on his insurance a year just because he got pulled over for his exhaust once.

[themadhatter]

The reason my car is the way it is (cat and as quiet as a 3" can be on a DSM) is because we were in the Boston, Ma area for a while and they were just starting to crack down over there as we were getting ready to move down here. DSMrs were reporting that they were getting pulled over all the time for exhaust noise violation. And up there it was an insurance surchargeable offense. One guy was paying close to $2k more on his insurance a year just because he got pulled over for his exhaust once.
we're being over run by Nazis!

[awdlaserbeam]

Your turbo provides all the backpressure you will ever need.

I agree with that, and the fact that the less back pressure on a turbo makes it spool quicker. But what about n/a cars, that is what the majority of people drive.

[themadhatter]

I agree with that, and the fact that the less back pressure on a turbo makes it spool quicker. But what about n/a cars, that is what the majority of people drive.
low back pressure on an NA car will result in horrible torque losses.