So I finally break down and buy a gun and get her home and.......

[Drftpretty]

I've been really bored lately and leave for my trip to Central America Tuesday at 2am so I decided to go and kill some time at the local gun shop. Pretty much to get away from packing and studying my med books.

I was just there shooting the **** with the owner looking at the crates of brand new Nagants and SKS's fresh from the warehouses of the Soviet Union. Then he pulls out a pair of pistols still wrapped in packing cloth. Apparently he hadnt expected to get any pistols with this order so they were a freebie to him.

Long story short, I brought home a 1967 police edition Chezch made CZ-70. .32/8 round clip/ semi-auto/ cloned from the walther PPK. Out the door in 10 minutes for $160.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/cz70.jpg

I run over to wal-mart, pick up a box of .32 ACP rounds and race home to pop off some rounds. Click, click, click. SOB. Take the gun back and apparently the two pistols were sent with no firing pins lol. So now I have to wait until August when I get home to use my new gun : (

/rant

[OMGz Turbo]

wow dude that sucks, im suprised he didnt notice the pins before

[Renegade_]

Damn, thats pretty awesome for the price; I need to get myself a handgun asap

[Drftpretty]

Well he has one CZ-70 left but said he would be charging $200 for it because now he has to track down pins lol.

And about 25 Nagant revolvers dated from 1944 which were german police issue for $130 out the door.

I went to the court house before work to see about getting a permit to carry. $35 and a background check is all it takes to get a permit to conceal a weapon in Lehigh County, sweet!

[DC2.2GSR]

$35 and a background check is all it takes to get a permit to conceal a weapon...

you mean License to Carry Firearms :wink:

.....in Lehigh County, sweet!

in the entire state :thumbup:

congrats on the purchase and 'personal progress' (wanting to get a LTCF and carry)!

not sure if you're already aware of it or not, but check out PAFOA.org (www.pafoa.org) ASAP and sign up for the forums.

[Drftpretty]

^Thanks man!

I didnt know there was a diff. between carrying a gun and concealing one. I have a buddy in Berks county who said it was a 2 month long approval process and a real pain in the ass. Ill go sign up now!

[Nors]

^Thanks man!

I didnt know there was a diff. between carrying a gun and concealing one. I have a buddy in Berks county who said it was a 2 month long approval process and a real pain in the ass. Ill go sign up now!

Huge difference. probably should read up before you carry it haha

[Willdue]

Aaron aaron aaron. lol.

You need to text me back son

[Drftpretty]

Huge difference. probably should read up before you carry it haha

Well I applied for a LTCF (License to carry Fire-arm), I know I can Open Carry right now but its not a good idea lol.

http://www.pafoa.org/counties/lehigh

[Drftpretty]

Aaron aaron aaron. lol.

You need to text me back son

Cell is going insane mang, screen goes black ranomly. pm me!

[240sxDann]

nice pick up mang! I'm planning on getting a H&K USP 9mm compact hopefully within the next year.

[bastid]

If you are new to gun ownership, I would highly recommend joining the discussions at PAFOA.org (as was mentioned above). There's an endless amount of knowledge and experience. With owning a gun comes a lot of responsibility, let alone carrying one.

Here's my Wilson Combat CQB 1911 in .45 ACP

[Honest_Bob]

Cool! I've been meaning to pickup something myself.

[omgjacki]

Keep it away from your brother. He's wreckless.

[Drftpretty]

I've taken a few gun safety courses when I was younger and have seen first hand what they can do at the hospital. I just want to get my actual hands on with them at the range. Gun shop called me today, they wanted me to come pick the gun up because they dont feel comfortable sitting on the gun until August. They told me they would just order me the firing pin and put it in for free when I fly back in.

One more pic. KGB stylez.

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs143.snc1/5295_97850712538_552592538_2099310_2164428_n.jpg

[den9]

you mean License to Carry Firearms :wink:



in the entire state :thumbup:

congrats on the purchase and 'personal progress' (wanting to get a LTCF and carry)!

not sure if you're already aware of it or not, but check out PAFOA.org (www.pafoa.org) ASAP and sign up for the forums.

theres really not a huge difference.

that permit gives you rights to conceal it, in fact you want to conceal it to keep it a low profile.

you can open carry it anywhere in pa though, except philly. in philly it needs to be concealed.

if its in your car, in plain sight, its still considered concealed so make sure you have your permit with you when u take it in your car loaded.

you cant carry it in any federal buildings or place.

court houses
post office
not sure about public schools or libraries.
museums that are federal like the franklin mint, consititution center, the liberty bell place, indepence hall, etc etc.
im pretty sure you can carry it in national parks and state parks now, but dont quote me on that.

[DC2.2GSR]

theres really not a huge difference.

there actually is a big difference between LTCF and CCW permit. the guys on PAFOA stress that a lot. It has everything to do with the fact that other states that call it a Carry Concealed Weapons permit have certain rules and requirements that are much different than PA's LTCF, so to avoid confusion and reinforce the idea that PA's laws are different (in a good way) than other states, people make a big deal about the definition. I only mentioned it because the OP's just getting into carrying and he might as well get started right. PA has a LTCF, not CCW... and if you say anything other than LTCF to someone 'in the know', they'll scold ya for it. lol. It's just semantics, nothing more.

that permit gives you rights to conceal it, in fact you want to conceal it to keep it a low profile.

this is completely a matter of opinion. i happen to agree with you on it. i have nothing against open carry but i'd rather conceal. people who advocate Open Carry (www.opencarry.org) have a very strong and valid argument that OC is the better way to carry and gets more accomplished. personal preference all the way.

you can open carry it anywhere in pa though, except philly. in philly it needs to be concealed.

this is incorrect. philly is a city of the first class, but this changes nothing about PA's gun laws except for the fact that people who choose to open carry need to have a License To Carry Firearms (where the semantics come into play) whereas in the rest of the commonwealth, you can open carry with no license at all while on foot.

[ThePrimerSuspect]

this is incorrect. philly is a city of the first class, but this changes nothing about PA's gun laws except for the fact that people who choose to open carry need to have a License To Carry Firearms (where the semantics come into play) whereas in the rest of the commonwealth, you can open carry with no license at all while on foot.

really dont wanna start an argument, but do not open carry in philly. for your sake and the sake of others, its just a bad idea.

[Willdue]

keep it away from your brother. He's wreckless.

qft!!

[probevette]

you can open carry it anywhere in pa though, except philly. in philly it needs to be concealed.


This is incorrect. You can OC/CC legally in philly. The only difference is you need to have an LTCF to do either.

[DC2.2GSR]

really dont wanna start an argument, but do not open carry in philly. for your sake and the sake of others, its just a bad idea.

to be perfectly honest with you i couldn't care less who has a problem with open carrying, other people.. police.. etc. i will always be respectful when telling someone what orifice to shove something in, but if it's legal (which it is 100% (http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/7582-read-first-where-you-can-cannot-carry-weapons-state-pennsylvania.html)), and i choose to, then i'm going to do it. it's no one's business who is open carrying or carrying concealed, even the police. if they have an issue with it, then they need to refer back to their 2009 MPOETC training.

[Drftpretty]

On a side note, I cant find a set of wood grips for the CZ anywhere. Apparently there is no market for the old CZ-50'S, 52'S, & 70'S.

I did however oder a ramp polishing kit and plan to do bothe the upper slide and the ramp as soon as I get home.

[ThePrimerSuspect]

to be perfectly honest with you i couldn't care less who has a problem with open carrying, other people.. police.. etc. i will always be respectful when telling someone what orifice to shove something in, but if it's legal (which it is 100% (http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/7582-read-first-where-you-can-cannot-carry-weapons-state-pennsylvania.html)), and i choose to, then i'm going to do it. it's no one's business who is open carrying or carrying concealed, even the police. if they have an issue with it, then they need to refer back to their 2009 MPOETC training.

you may be 100% correct, you probably are. i know there are a lot of gray areas for both sides of the argument. all im saying is that you wont have an easy time open carrying in philly. and if you wanna tell the cop to shove it, you may do so. you can argue the point all you want, you'll just be doing it from behind bars. i have seen many people in LE and civilians go back and forth over this and every philly i cop i ask says your getting locked up. so if you wanna exercise your right, dont be surprised when they take your piece and your wearing bracelets.

[bastid]

you may be 100% correct, you probably are. i know there are a lot of gray areas for both sides of the argument. all im saying is that you wont have an easy time open carrying in philly. and if you wanna tell the cop to shove it, you may do so. you can argue the point all you want, you'll just be doing it from behind bars. i have seen many people in LE and civilians go back and forth over this and every philly i cop i ask says your getting locked up. so if you wanna exercise your right, dont be surprised when they take your piece and your wearing bracelets.

Law is law, there is no gray area. You are allowed to carry openly in Philadelphia as long as you have a LTCF. I would be willing to bet you will get harassed, no doubt, by citizens and law enforcement officers alike. However, there is nothing illegal for doing so.

[Drftpretty]

Does anyone in Lehigh county know exactly where to go to put in the LTCF? I want to put it in tomorrow before I leave for a month long trip to Central America so It'll be approved by the time I get back. I tried calling around and obviously everyone was closed.

[DC2.2GSR]

you may be 100% correct, you probably are. i know there are a lot of gray areas for both sides of the argument. all im saying is that you wont have an easy time open carrying in philly. and if you wanna tell the cop to shove it, you may do so. you can argue the point all you want, you'll just be doing it from behind bars. i have seen many people in LE and civilians go back and forth over this and every philly i cop i ask says your getting locked up. so if you wanna exercise your right, dont be surprised when they take your piece and your wearing bracelets.

bastid is 100% correct. the law is just that... law. it's black or white, no grey areas.

Law is law, there is no gray area. You are allowed to carry openly in Philadelphia as long as you have a LTCF. I would be willing to bet you will get harassed, no doubt, by citizens and law enforcement officers alike. However, there is nothing illegal for doing so.

that is why i choose to carry concealed, so that i have less of a chance of getting hassled. but... if i should choose to walk down south street on a friday night for example, with a freakin gold desert eagle properly holstered and my shirt tucked behind so that all may see it's pimpness (:roll:), then i am within my rights to do so. if i get hassled by the law experts (uh.. i mean philly cops :rotfl:) and "...they take [my] piece and [i'm] wearing bracelets", well then i'll make sure to invite the nice policemen to join me at the courthouse and i'll offer to buy them all drinks after we're done. i'll have plenty of money after the City of Philadelphia forwards it all to my bank account as settlement. i'll then laugh at the fact that those officers will have hell to pay for their ignorance.

any one of us is expected to know and abide by all of the rules and policies of our respective employers. we're expected to learn them within a reasonable time and follow them to the T. while i do admit, law is an incredibly massive subject to learn, there's no excuse for an officer to be so clueless about a subject so important and commonplace as firearms and LTCF related topics - especially in a huge city like philly. nothing's going to get easier until every officer has been educated on the subject and lets it sink in. the mandatory training hasn't worked yet, so it's up to individuals who carry to bring it to their attention.

this is not just me that has some kind of radical opinion of how things would be handled. this is general knowledge. there have been many big cases against cities all over the state of PA (and the whole country for that matter) within the last few years and they seem to be growing in number by the day. they all win their cases against the city or state because when you (as a city/state) ignore an amendment and a citizen's rights, the problem will only snowball. that's just the way it is.


Does anyone in Lehigh county know exactly where to go to put in the LTCF? I want to put it in tomorrow before I leave for a month long trip to Central America so It'll be approved by the time I get back. I tried calling around and obviously everyone was closed.

read this thread (http://forum.pafoa.org/lehigh-39/64031-lehigh-ltcf-time.html). it seems to be just what you need. from what i've heard elsewhere, Lehigh County is the longest wait in PA. a month to a month and a half on average. should be fine for you because of your trip, but for everyone else there that really sucks. lol. i got mine the same time as my dad and brother and for all three of us it took +/- 30 min. haha.

[probevette]

Does anyone in Lehigh county know exactly where to go to put in the LTCF? I want to put it in tomorrow before I leave for a month long trip to Central America so It'll be approved by the time I get back. I tried calling around and obviously everyone was closed.

Call your local sheriff they will tell you which office of theirs you can apply for your LTCF. Just keep in mind every county is different on how they issue it. You may need to just have a background check and done or you may need two+ people as a reference, tax forms, etc. It can also take a little over 30 days to get.

[den9]

there actually is a big difference between LTCF and CCW permit. the guys on PAFOA stress that a lot. It has everything to do with the fact that other states that call it a Carry Concealed Weapons permit have certain rules and requirements that are much different than PA's LTCF, so to avoid confusion and reinforce the idea that PA's laws are different (in a good way) than other states, people make a big deal about the definition. I only mentioned it because the OP's just getting into carrying and he might as well get started right. PA has a LTCF, not CCW... and if you say anything other than LTCF to someone 'in the know', they'll scold ya for it. lol. It's just semantics, nothing more.



this is completely a matter of opinion. i happen to agree with you on it. i have nothing against open carry but i'd rather conceal. people who advocate Open Carry (www.opencarry.org) have a very strong and valid argument that OC is the better way to carry and gets more accomplished. personal preference all the way.



this is incorrect. philly is a city of the first class, but this changes nothing about PA's gun laws except for the fact that people who choose to open carry need to have a License To Carry Firearms (where the semantics come into play) whereas in the rest of the commonwealth, you can open carry with no license at all while on foot.

ok so i thought ltcf is just another way of saying you can ccw with exceptions like philly.

so your pretty much your telling me since i have a ltcf i cannot carry concealed? if not true, as far as im concerned i have a concealed carry permit, since its legal to carry it concealed in every city.


so if thats all true, whats the difference between a ltcf or ccwp? you can open carry with both, and you can conceal carry with both, unless you cant open carry in philly with a ccw permit.

[DC2.2GSR]

ok so i thought ltcf is just another way of saying you can ccw with exceptions like philly.

so your pretty much your telling me since i have a ltcf i cannot carry concealed? if not true, as far as im concerned i have a concealed carry permit, since its legal to carry it concealed in every city.


so if thats all true, whats the difference between a ltcf or ccwp? you can open carry with both, and you can conceal carry with both, unless you cant open carry in philly with a ccw permit.

i meant that there's a big difference between the terms LTCF and CCW (permit) to people who are into firearms in PA, not that they're two completely separate things. for all practical purposes, they're the same. you're right, both let you carry your weapon concealed and also openly in cities of the first class. there are certain fine-print type of differences that get associated with each term... different states call it different things and write different fine print rules and regs... that's the reason for the distinction between the two terms, to avoid confusion and point out the fact that PAs laws are not as restrictive as other states who call it a CCW permit. i honestly don't know all of the specifics, but they're not that important. the only reason i pointed it out is to correct the OP's firearm lingo since he just got his first concealable gun.

it's the same thing as a new guy posting here that he just bought a Nissan Silvia, when all he bought was a stock USDM 1991 240SX. everyone knows that they're essentially the same thing with only minor differences, but someone will without a doubt be very quick to jump in and scream out the fact that the car is actually a 240SX, that nissan badged the cars differently in different countries, they had different motors, etc etc. that way the owner of the car will learn something and not brag about his "silvia" to other Nissan people 'in the know' who will make fun of the fact that he's ignorant about the car he owns.

i just pointed out the difference in terms for technicality's sake. PA has a License to Carry Firearms (http://www.co.venango.pa.us/Sheriff/license_to_carry.pdf), that's the proper term here. like i said, 'people in the know' about firearms in PA (like your FFL dealer, people at gun shows, meets, etc) will call it that and so should you.

that's all i meant :cool: :cyberguy:

[probevette]

ok so i thought ltcf is just another way of saying you can ccw with exceptions like philly.

so your pretty much your telling me since i have a ltcf i cannot carry concealed? if not true, as far as im concerned i have a concealed carry permit, since its legal to carry it concealed in every city.


so if thats all true, whats the difference between a ltcf or ccwp? you can open carry with both, and you can conceal carry with both, unless you cant open carry in philly with a ccw permit.

We DO NOT have a CCW. We have an LTCF. The LTFC allows you to conceal and to carry in a vehicle. Without an LTFC you can open carry but only to places you can walk to also you cannot carry in philly oc or cc without the LTCF.

Other states have their own laws regarding carry. Some issue a CCW so you can CC but in a few of those states OC is NOT legal.

[DC2.2GSR]

We DO NOT have a CCW. We have an LTCF. The LTFC allows you to conceal and to carry in a vehicle. Without an LTFC you can open carry but only to places you can walk to also you cannot carry in philly oc or cc without the LTCF.

Other states have their own laws regarding carry. Some issue a CCW so you can CC but in a few of those states OC is NOT legal.

dude, really not trying to be a d*ck here, i know you're trying to help out and everything you're saying is true, but every post of yours is explaining exactly what i did almost word for word in my post literally 1-2 posts before yours. it was three times in this thread already. it would help to read all the current posts before you hit reply. lol. no big deal, just a little weirdly repetitive. i'm repeating myself enough, i don't think these guys want to hear another 'me'. lol. i'm just sayin'....

[den9]

so that means my ltcf is a ccw, it just doesnt say so. it gives me the right to carry concealed, there for a ltfc is a concealed weapons permit, whether it means something different outside of pa or not. outside of pa a ltcf may be different, and i know what your saying, but what im saying is why the hell would a ltcf in pa be a ccw also? well it is anyway.

[Drftpretty]

Thanks for all the help guys, if I would have known this discussion was still on-going I would have asked today when I went to the court house.

$38, two references and 4-6 weeks is all it takes. Just checked the NO box all the way down and it should be approved lol. BTW, theres an EXTREMELY cute secretary in the sheriffs office who handles the LTCF. She was carrying too!

[Drftpretty]

As if I needed another reason to get my LTCF, a co-workers nephew was stabbed and died over the weekend in Allentown.

[den9]

its easy to avoid those situations. usually having a gun would make me avoid situations like that, because most of the time you are commiting a crime when you get stabbed or shot or whatever, and doing a crime with a gun is bad. not saying he was commiting a crime, but i think it tends to happen like that.

[DC2.2GSR]

Thanks for all the help guys, if I would have known this discussion was still on-going I would have asked today when I went to the court house.

$38, two references and 4-6 weeks is all it takes. Just checked the NO box all the way down and it should be approved lol. BTW, theres an EXTREMELY cute secretary in the sheriffs office who handles the LTCF. She was carrying too!

nice!! good job man, i love to hear about someone else getting a LTCF. i'm on a freakin' crusade these last few weeks trying to get all of my friends to get theirs. haha.

the cute gun totin' secretary chick is definitely a plus :thumbup:

[probevette]

dude, really not trying to be a d*ck here, i know you're trying to help out and everything you're saying is true, but every post of yours is explaining exactly what i did almost word for word in my post literally 1-2 posts before yours. it was three times in this thread already. it would help to read all the current posts before you hit reply. lol. no big deal, just a little weirdly repetitive. i'm repeating myself enough, i don't think these guys want to hear another 'me'. lol. i'm just sayin'....

You are being a dick.


Nah im just messing. me so sorry :-p

[probevette]

As if I needed another reason to get my LTCF, a co-workers nephew was stabbed and died over the weekend in Allentown.

Please don't take having an LTCF as an excuse to pull a gun everytime you feel there is a threat. The first thing you should always keep in mind in that type of situation "is there a way for me to retreat without harm to myself and without using force"

[probevette]

but what im saying is why the hell would a ltcf in pa be a ccw also? well it is anyway.

Our LTCF gives us options a lot of other states do not have. It allows you to conceal, carry in a car loaded and on you, open carry in a city of the first class, etc

Most other states that have a CCW only allow it to be concealed. You cannot open carry permit or not, you cannot carry is some cities, etc.

So yes it does give us the same option a CCW would..but also allows you to do so much more.