suspension help

[ketchup!]

Ok guys i cant decide of what suspension i would like on my civic Im either getting some omnipower slip coilovers with koni yellows or ground controls with koni yellows just wondering which setup is better for the money? Cause I dont feel like spending 800+ on the gc/koni setup

[TROLL]

what are the goals of your car suspension wise? comfort? handle like crazy? just look good? the more detailed your response is the better we'll be able to help you.
bryan

[2000MRDC2]

im gonna be going with the GC/KYB combo for my car im not looking for anything special, plus im gonnaa be doing a bunch of tie bars.

[ketchup!]

well i want to slam my car to the ground while also getting some handling from suspension

[xEJ20x]

If your gonna spend around $800 for springs and shocks you might as well get some Tein coilovers.

[TROLL]

well i want to slam my car to the ground while also getting some handling from suspension

the two things you are looking for are polar opposites. 'slamming' a car to the ground will pretty much work against all of the other suspension components i place and make it handle horribly. if its the look you're going for then fine thats up to you, but there is indeed such a thing as too low.
you can lower it a bit and gain performance, but at the cost of comfort. a lower stiffer spring will make the cars stance look better and it will handle more firmly, but that whole firm thing also will take away some ride comfort.

bryan

[2000MRDC2]

well i want to slam my car to the ground while also getting some handling from suspension

cant have both so i vote for slamming it. even though with mine im going all handling

[ketchup!]

Has anyone ever heard of the ksport full coilovers? Cause Im thinking of getting them with a custom spring rate of 11k/9k

[xEJ20x]

Has anyone ever heard of the ksport full coilovers? Cause Im thinking of getting them with a custom spring rate of 11k/9k

That spring rate seems extremely stiff.

[US_R33]

i know that the honda guys who autox and road race run some REALLY high spring rates on one end or the other, but for street applications 11kg/mm front spring and 9kg/mm rear springs is going to be ridiculously stiff IMO

if you want to get you car VERY low and still be comfortable and safe, you're going to have to get a set of coilovers (not sleeve-overs) that have a thread shock body that can be adjusted up or down w/o adjusting the spring perch. by purchasing a set of coilovers that have this set up, it will enable you to lower your car considerably more yet still retain FULL suspension travel

here is a picture of the type of coilover i'm talking about (in case i didn't explain it that well)
http://www.jic-magic.com/images/suspension/FLTA2s15frontd.gif

Late,
Daniel

[htheduck]

Has anyone ever heard of the ksport full coilovers? Cause Im thinking of getting them with a custom spring rate of 11k/9k
Those spring rates are like Nextel cup cars... :eek: that will be STIFF for your Civic there.

[07BlackSS]

im gonna be going with the GC/KYB combo for my car im not looking for anything special, plus im gonnaa be doing a bunch of tie bars.

I have heard of a lot of Honda guys using this combo and they have said they are great. Hey Ren have you used these before, if so how are they?

[D Money]

Coughcough *Tein flex's* Coughcough...lol Im not even sure they make them for civic's. But im sure they got superstreets or basics, check em out, not as expensive as you think!

[Gorilla Unit 33]

once again why omni? i have have been in 2 hondas ones with tein flexs and one with skunk2. the tein's were the best imo

[D Money]

Omni is also good. My friend ran them on his honda civic hatch. Plus he took first place in auto x two times. Shoot him a pm. His name is jdmisacult.

[ketchup!]

OO i changed my mind completely I will be getting the ksport full coilover setup 36 way adjustability woohoo and i found a deal from ht for only $620 shipped with any spring rate i desire

[D Money]

OO i changed my mind completely I will be getting the ksport full coilover setup 36 way adjustability woohoo and i found a deal from ht for only $620 shipped with any spring rate i desire
36 way adjustable? what!! Damn must be better than the tein flex's since mine only came with 16-way adjustable dampening.

[JasterM5]

THIS IS TROLL POSTING ON IVANS NAME

subwrxkid - do you use all 16 of your adjustments? honestly all of those small adjustments really arent necessary unless you're on a race team and you're doing constant test and tune. i have the tein flex with 16 way adjustable and guess what... i use 1, 4, 8, 12, and 16 and thats it.
civicboy - what springrates do you plan to get? i'd really not recommend going above 6k on the rates unless you plan on tracking the car regularly. i have 5k/5k and my car is heavier than yours and its a pretty stiff ride... a much more serious suspension setup than most others around here.
bryan

THIS IS TROLL POSTING ON IVANS NAME

[D Money]

I dont remember me ever stating that I use all 16 levels. I simply stated thats what the tein flex came with. I was comparing the two suspensions since he said the ones he was getting came with 36 way adjustable dampening. Im not sure were you got me using all of my levels and using it to road race from? I guess take try to take a look at my post again.

[ketchup!]

Heres the website for the ksports amazing coils http://www.ksportusa.com/products/kontrolpro.html

P.s. should have them on by march

[2000MRDC2]

I have heard of a lot of Honda guys using this combo and they have said they are great. Hey Ren have you used these before, if so how are they?

no, my old si had idk wht sprigns and tokico whites it was a pretty good setup. on the four door im gonna go with tein basics or the ksports

[TROLL]

I dont remember me ever stating that I use all 16 levels. I simply stated thats what the tein flex came with. I was comparing the two suspensions since he said the ones he was getting came with 36 way adjustable dampening. Im not sure were you got me using all of my levels and using it to road race from? I guess take try to take a look at my post again.

dont be so defensive, i said nothing against you at all. i was only pointing out that who cares if a strut has 4, 16, or 365 way adjustment... the normal user will only use a few of them.
bryan

[D Money]

dont be so defensive, i said nothing against you at all. i was only pointing out that who cares if a strut has 4, 16, or 365 way adjustment... the normal user will only use a few of them.
bryan
OK. I didnt get where you were coming from at first. Anyways I dont touch my coilovers, they are set and tuned to ride the best right now, I dont wanna touch them and get them all messed up. My bad Bryan for overreactin.

[US_R33]

I was comparing the two suspensions since he said the ones he was getting came with 36 way adjustable dampening. Im not sure were you got me using all of my levels and using it to road race from? I guess take try to take a look at my post again.
for starters, having 16 way adjustment only provides 4 micro-adjustments for each macro adjustment. if you had coilover that were 4 way adjustable for the dampers, each adjustment would be a major change, by making them 16 way adjustable you get 4 minor changes for every 1 major change, anything more than 16 adjustments IMHO is rather excessive, hell i even think 16 adjustments is way overkill, i would only want that much adjustment if i could independantly adjust my compression and rebound and have remote reservoirs, and even then i wouldn't really want more than 8 adjusting increments for compression and for rebound

now as for your comparison of Teins and K-Sports........nobody take this the wrong way but if Tein are a rather low end suspension company in Japan what does that make K-Sport??? while i may be a bit of a "high-end parts snob" that has no bearing on the statement i just made. i'm just a firm believer of doing it right the first time, which is why i suggested the type of coilovers i posted up earlier, thus my point about Tein and K-Sport

as for the spring rates, find out if K-Sport tunes their dampers according to the spring rates the customer desires....or if they just have a basic setup on their dampers......if they do not tune their dampers according to the spring rates then you should ONLY but the spring rates they recommend for their dampers.....if not the car will ride like trash b/c the dampers will not be able to properly dampen the weight of the car on the springs......now if they are able to tune their dampers according to the spring rates then i would recommend something like a 5kg/mm or 6kg/mm spring up front and a 6kg/mm or 7kg/mm spring in the rear accordingly....i know a low of the honda guys who race their cars run stiffer springs in the rear and although they run a much bigger difference than that setup at least your car will still be streetable yet fun to take out on the track once in a while

Late,
Daniel

[JDMISACULT]

Do not waste your money on the ksport they are garbage the price should tell you something 32way for 650 thats crap if you are gonna go with a cheap suspension stick with omni streets or just get the tein basics which will be a little softer then omni and not make as many noises. However if you do go with ksport good luck you will need it!

[US_R33]

Do not waste your money on the ksport they are garbage the price should tell you something 32way for 650 thats crap if you are gonna go with a cheap suspension stick with omni streets or just get the tein basics which will be a little softer then omni and not make as many noises. However if you do go with ksport good luck you will need it!
x2 i was just being a little nicer about it lol

[D Money]

for starters, having 16 way adjustment only provides 4 micro-adjustments for each macro adjustment. if you had coilover that were 4 way adjustable for the dampers, each adjustment would be a major change, by making them 16 way adjustable you get 4 minor changes for every 1 major change, anything more than 16 adjustments IMHO is rather excessive, hell i even think 16 adjustments is way overkill, i would only want that much adjustment if i could independantly adjust my compression and rebound and have remote reservoirs, and even then i wouldn't really want more than 8 adjusting increments for compression and for rebound

now as for your comparison of Teins and K-Sports........nobody take this the wrong way but if Tein are a rather low end suspension company in Japan what does that make K-Sport??? while i may be a bit of a "high-end parts snob" that has no bearing on the statement i just made. i'm just a firm believer of doing it right the first time, which is why i suggested the type of coilovers i posted up earlier, thus my point about Tein and K-Sport

as for the spring rates, find out if K-Sport tunes their dampers according to the spring rates the customer desires....or if they just have a basic setup on their dampers......if they do not tune their dampers according to the spring rates then you should ONLY but the spring rates they recommend for their dampers.....if not the car will ride like trash b/c the dampers will not be able to properly dampen the weight of the car on the springs......now if they are able to tune their dampers according to the spring rates then i would recommend something like a 5kg/mm or 6kg/mm spring up front and a 6kg/mm or 7kg/mm spring in the rear accordingly....i know a low of the honda guys who race their cars run stiffer springs in the rear and although they run a much bigger difference than that setup at least your car will still be streetable yet fun to take out on the track once in a while

Late,
Daniel
Awesome!

[silver05bullet]

U wanna go gangsta on the suspension just cut the springs j/p :rotfl:

[US_R33]

Awesome!
since i don't know you that well i can't tell if that is sarcasm or not :confused:

[JDMISACULT]

he is dead serious no sarcasm at all... haha im jp subwrxkid is just a post whore

back on topic i hope this guy makes the right decision baised on our opinion!

[D Money]

since i don't know you that well i can't tell if that is sarcasm or not :confused:
nah, I just thought you were puttin down my susupension, anyways pm me what kind of suspension you use

[US_R33]

he is dead serious no sarcasm at all... haha im jp subwrxkid is just a post whore

back on topic i hope this guy makes the right decision baised on our opinion!
lol yeah i figured he was just whorin the place up :wink:

[D Money]

lol yeah i figured he was just whorin the place up :wink:
Nah, thats not the deal. I just though you were tlaking down on tein for some odd reason.

[US_R33]

Nah, thats not the deal. I just though you were tlaking down on tein for some odd reason.
i was but that's okay :thumbup: :wink: :-p

[drumnatural]

I personally think you should look here http://www.tein.com/

or Mugen (http://www.kingmotorsports.com/product.asp?detail=378) Sport Suspension.

A little on the pricey side but of quality you know you can trust.

I was about to get the Mugen SS but opted for Acura's A-spec Suspension.