It never seems to amaze me...

[fbuckfifty]

...when people look down on the American Cars. I'm not saying all of you, but the majority on here and people that I know praise and love Honda, Mitsus, and any kind of Imports. I'm not saying its a bad thing, because its not, but what never seems to amaze me is that they wont even give the American car world a chance. They all laugh at the American car scene and just shake their heads and say wtf?

What, is it not normal to see a modified cavalier? or a ford probe? Its something different, something that you don't really see everyday. For example the other day I saw a yellow z24 Cavalier with an LSJ swap (Cobalt SS motor) with the supercharger. Now THAT was different, and it was nice to see something like that look so clean, not just another Honda sitting on rotas when they all look the same.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, but it never seems to amaze me how this works. For instance, everyone looked down and laughed at when the CobaltSS was first introduced in 2005. Ever since the SS came out in 2005 I've been a fan (I love the American car scene, I like imports but I would rock an American car all day). Its funny how people talked down on them because they only had "205hp" with a "supercharged" motor. But what those ricers dont know is that GM under estimated the LSJ, the LSJ actually put out more horspepower than 205. To the wheels these cars are doing about 190ish stock depending on the dyno (The LSJ really put out about 225). I know these cars inside and out, and they are great cars. Dont under estimate the car, the only reason people are starting to like them more now, is because GM introduced the LNF motor, which is the 2.0l turbo motor with 260hp and 260ft/lb trq.

These cars are fast, they are making a name for themselves now because they are the best bang for the buck. For 23k brand new, you get a car with 260 hp 260ft/lb trq, an LSD, Brembo Brakes, 18" wheels, and incredible handling and powertrain (look it up on car and driver and all the magazines if you dont believe me). Yes, it is still a Chevy Cobalt, but that "Chevy Cobalt" is beating all the cars that people swear on. Guys these new SS's do high 13's stock! Hows that for an American car? But with lets say a new Honda Civic Si, you pay 23k for the "i-VTECH" motor, and some appearance changes and a 6 speed gear box.

Its just funny how people always looked down on the Cobalts and made fun of it because it was a supercharged motor with only 205hp, well do your homework cause now you guys are even more in the hole now that GM came out with their LNF motor. NOW everyone starts praising the American car company cause these Cobalts are beating cars are frikin' fast! I have honestly seen so many more 2008-2009 Cobalt SS then I have with the first gen ones.

I don't want to be flamed for this, and I don't want to start anything on here, and I dont post on here that much, but me and my buddy were talking about it the other day and I felt like I should share this with you guys, and I would like to hear your thoughts.

:mrgreen:

[jdm free]

here we go....

did u really need to post about how the cobalt ss isnt a bad car with no reason for doing so. there arent any **** the ss threads on here so why bring it up.


a modded cavalier is just stupid, whats the point of doing a anything to car when its not gonna go anywhere and isnt even an attractive car. i see more with fnf graphics and body kits with a muffler bolted on..they deserve to get the respect they do. yea a guy wit a nice swap sure, its cool if u can call it that.

u are completely wrong about the new si. the only appearance upgrade is a spoiler and wheels, and the grille. an upgraded motor, suspension and interior is different. they dont compare to the stock lx at all. if u supercharged or turbod an si it would **** on the cobalt. plus they arent 23k. they are 20 bud. oh and its vtec.

[OMGshawn]

tl;dr

/care

[97TurboDSM]

what a stupid thread. and i think you meant to say that it never ceases to amaze you..fyi

[russiankid]

You do also have to realize that American cars were mainly focused around straight line racing i.e. drag racing. Imports have better platforms for handling and can also be quick on the 1/4 mile. If I am not mistaken the Cavalier does not have rear independent suspension; which from what I know, does not help in handling. So you'd be building a car that can go in a straight line, and then what?

[jjm4life]

the reason they get busted on is for threads like this. honestly, for every clean (and i say that begrudgingly) cavilier, there are several hundred rusted busted pos that would make even the most riced out civic look ready for a time attack event. sure the cobalt ss is a capable american made import fighter, but please dont come in here talking about american cars being some type of underdog. and for all your talk about v taak or whatever you want to call it, lets face it, your new "gods gift to wheels" the cobalt ss would never exist if it werent for cars such as the civic si. i dont like hondas, never owned one probably never will, but at least if youre going to have an opinion, at least make it an informed one before you open your mouth on the internet. kthanksbai

[sherwood]

...when people look down on the American Cars. I'm not saying all of you, but the majority on here and people that I know praise and love Honda, Mitsus, and any kind of Imports. I'm not saying its a bad thing, because its not, but what never seems to amaze me is that they wont even give the American car world a chance. They all laugh at the American car scene and just shake their heads and say wtf?

What, is it not normal to see a modified cavalier? or a ford probe? Its something different, something that you don't really see everyday. For example the other day I saw a yellow z24 Cavalier with an LSJ swap (Cobalt SS motor) with the supercharger. Now THAT was different, and it was nice to see something like that look so clean, not just another Honda sitting on rotas when they all look the same.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, but it never seems to amaze me how this works. For instance, everyone looked down and laughed at when the CobaltSS was first introduced in 2005. Ever since the SS came out in 2005 I've been a fan (I love the American car scene, I like imports but I would rock an American car all day). Its funny how people talked down on them because they only had "205hp" with a "supercharged" motor. But what those ricers dont know is that GM under estimated the LSJ, the LSJ actually put out more horspepower than 205. To the wheels these cars are doing about 190ish stock depending on the dyno (The LSJ really put out about 225). I know these cars inside and out, and they are great cars. Dont under estimate the car, the only reason people are starting to like them more now, is because GM introduced the LNF motor, which is the 2.0l turbo motor with 260hp and 260ft/lb trq.

These cars are fast, they are making a name for themselves now because they are the best bang for the buck. For 23k brand new, you get a car with 260 hp 260ft/lb trq, an LSD, Brembo Brakes, 18" wheels, and incredible handling and powertrain (look it up on car and driver and all the magazines if you dont believe me). Yes, it is still a Chevy Cobalt, but that "Chevy Cobalt" is beating all the cars that people swear on. Guys these new SS's do high 13's stock! Hows that for an American car? But with lets say a new Honda Civic Si, you pay 23k for the "i-VTECH" motor, and some appearance changes and a 6 speed gear box.

Its just funny how people always looked down on the Cobalts and made fun of it because it was a supercharged motor with only 205hp, well do your homework cause now you guys are even more in the hole now that GM came out with their LNF motor. NOW everyone starts praising the American car company cause these Cobalts are beating cars are frikin' fast! I have honestly seen so many more 2008-2009 Cobalt SS then I have with the first gen ones.

I don't want to be flamed for this, and I don't want to start anything on here, and I dont post on here that much, but me and my buddy were talking about it the other day and I felt like I should share this with you guys, and I would like to hear your thoughts.

:mrgreen:

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:cry::cry:waaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Got Insulin?]

Whoa, isn't the Cobalt motor made by Mazda?

[TROLL]

Its people like you posting things like this who create the myth that we disrespect those cars. Not only did you tell us what we think, but you also went on to talk down on hondas, ricers, etc.

[jdm free]

Its people like you posting things like this who create the myth that we disrespect those cars. Not only did you tell us what we think, but you also went on to talk down on hondas, ricers, etc.

is there a problem wit talking down on ricers?

[W_Evo]

I like American cars, but I don't like FWD.

[97TurboDSM]

he's prolly out driving his primered cavalier with spinner hub caps right now

[Got Insulin?]

LOL who doesn't talk down on Hondas and ricers?





lol.

[Soon2bG60]

Im an american type too, I love imports also.
I hate the ss cause.. well, i just do. not my type of car.

oh and,.. its not "I-VTECH" its vtaaak

[max2k1]

This just jumped out at me
I think your numbers on those supercharged cobalts are off. 225 to the wheels? That would put it right with the SRT4 as far as power. And the new cobalts are supposed to be more powerful than before and are only running high 13s? Ive seen stock SRT4s running 13.6s. Theres no way the horsepower numbers on the old cobalts are at 225 to the wheels.

[SvicksTc]

Whoa, isn't the Cobalt motor made by Mazda?

Sabb i think, at least when we work on WetssBolt's car we see Sabb over everything.....I actually think sab uses the same block in the turbo sabb coupe.....

And bashing americans cars? I mean there are so many things that can be discussed here.....In particular you seemed to be very biased towards the SS S/C which you think so many people bash? Ive always been impressed with them since they first came out, they are in the same class as the new civic SI, TC Supercharged, Redline Saturn, etc, etc but in my experience out perform all for the most part. I actually showed one of my best friends one and he ended up buying it after he had no interest at first... *WetSSbolt*.....

A lot of people are not big on american "TUNER" cars because of the realiabilty and lack of support from the aftermarket world.....A lot are done very horrible *like any other type of car*

American cars are just no the best platform to start off with due to the lack of aftermarket support, reliability, and performance aspect of the engines, suspesions etc.....

I could go on and on about this..... Theres good and there is Bads...


S/C Cobalt are rated at 205hp and i think thats at the crank, like i said its in the same class as:
New Civic SI
TRD Supercharged TC
Redline Saturn *Same LSJ engine*
Prolly RSX-S

And as for the OP saying the handleing was good on a stock Cobalt SS S/C hahaha i dont think you ever drove one buddy, **** is sloppy as hell with out some sways, lowering.....

and would love to see some dyno's of a stock s/c putting 225whp hahaha.....I dont think you got all your apples in a bucket here shooting out information like that....

Like i Said on of my best friends ended up buying a S/C cobalt, one i told him to look at and check out because of my interest in them, he ended up building it up pretty damn good *check his member journal* and he says everyday its an american GM car and ****s goign to blow son.....just happens hahaha and in particular with the LSJ motor GM didnt desing the fuel system to well as long as a couple other stupid things, but when you start putting some power through those motors....Say bye bye piston # 4

[jdm free]

the cobalt ss does 14 flat 1/4 mile

[mikes7ke]

I like American cars, but I don't like FWD.


Exactly! I don't care if it's American, Japanese, Korean, or whatever. If it's front wheel drive, I don't like it. It could have space age suspension, be a rally monster, run low sevens on the quarter mile from the factory, drift, I really don't care. If it's front wheel drive, I don't like it.

[jdm free]

Exactly! I don't care if it's American, Japanese, Korean, or whatever. If it's front wheel drive, I don't like it. It could have space age suspension, be a rally monster, run low sevens on the quarter mile from the factory, drift, I really don't care. If it's front wheel drive, I don't like it.

why do people hate so much on fwd. if the car has a good suspension and power. wats the problem. its still fun to drive

[mikes7ke]

I like the feeling of the power coming from the rear wheels. Anything else just doesn't feel "right."

[SvicksTc]

the cobalt ss does 14 flat 1/4 mile

With who driving? hahaha They run around 14.5 stock quarter mile times....

I guess with an awesome, traction grabbing launch could squeek a low 14 but id be super super super impressed to see someone with a stock s/c cobalt run a 14 flat.....

did i mention super super impressed

[ndubz]

Here u go, I havent read anything but the first and 2nd post. Ur deff getting the idiots who act like everything is a waste of there time, yet they took the "precious" time out their day to post here. What ur saying is tru. However id hardly consider a Cavalier a real performance car. Except for the one u stated with the swap. But the New cobalt SS turbo is absolutely nasty. It has taken the Neon SRT-4s place as the badass of american pocket rockets. (the Caliber is a peice of ****, and if anyone likes it, then just know that i consider u gay :wink: ) In its range I like first the 09 WRX (I am partial), then the Cobalt turbo, then the MS3. the Ralliart will be good, but it needs more power. the civic Si is nice, but just doesnt compete with the first 3. and the GTi is great, but it also lacks much in performance. It would've been nice to see ford make the Focus RS in AWD to directly compete with STI and EVO. But fords management are a bunch of **** tard idiots. The Mustang is terrific as always. the USA has many great cars. But I personally give credit where credit is due. If a company makes a great fast performance car, then they have my respect. Fast is fast, regardless of what country it comes from. Dont listen to some idoits with civics that push under 200hp after decent mods. They dont know what "fast" is. In all markets, Asian, US, europe. There are good performance cars and their are poser mobiles. Its the same across the board. Good thought though and thanks for providing intelligent insight.

[Ptde]

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. Yes the SS/SC are under rated. On average they put down ~ 215whp/200ft-lbs. So OP wasn't correct. The fastest stock time is a 14.06@99 many trapping 100mph. With a simple Stage 2 ~$550 its about 240whp.The SS/TC is under rated aswell and puts down about asmuch WHP as it's rated crank. Best stock 1/4 is 13.5 @ 104. Though they (esp SS/TC) shine more on the track considering even on the Lightning lap it pulled better times than some performance AWD cars. This thread is looking for trouble and should be deleted.

[Vr-4-Life]

WoW.. i feel pretty insulted since im a "Ricer". Well man i have news for you...

YOUR DOMESTIC RICE!!!!

[ASIAN JUL]

There are two sides to everything. There are people who will call anyone in an import a "ricer." Now, I don't know what the REAL meaning of ricer is, but I suppose it's a negative term? I always used to think it was just a term for someone who drives an import, but... whatever. Point is, not everyone's going to like everything. Who cares if people have a preference?

[sherwood]

I like the feeling of the D coming from the rear. Anything else just doesn't feel "right."

wait wait wait....mike likes it in the rear? lulz

[jdm free]

With who driving? hahaha They run around 14.5 stock quarter mile times....

I guess with an awesome, traction grabbing launch could squeek a low 14 but id be super super super impressed to see someone with a stock s/c cobalt run a 14 flat.....

did i mention super super impressed

the turbocharged ones run a 14 flat.

[jdm free]

Here u go, I havent read anything but the first and 2nd post. Ur deff getting the idiots who act like everything is a waste of there time, yet they took the "precious" time out their day to post here. What ur saying is tru. However id hardly consider a Cavalier a real performance car. Except for the one u stated with the swap. But the New cobalt SS turbo is absolutely nasty. It has taken the Neon SRT-4s place as the badass of american pocket rockets. (the Caliber is a peice of ****, and if anyone likes it, then just know that i consider u gay :wink: ) In its range I like first the 09 WRX (I am partial), then the Cobalt turbo, then the MS3. the Ralliart will be good, but it needs more power. the civic Si is nice, but just doesnt compete with the first 3. and the GTi is great, but it also lacks much in performance. It would've been nice to see ford make the Focus RS in AWD to directly compete with STI and EVO. But fords management are a bunch of **** tard idiots. The Mustang is terrific as always. the USA has many great cars. But I personally give credit where credit is due. If a company makes a great fast performance car, then they have my respect. Fast is fast, regardless of what country it comes from. Dont listen to some idoits with civics that push under 200hp after decent mods. They dont know what "fast" is. In all markets, Asian, US, europe. There are good performance cars and their are poser mobiles. Its the same across the board. Good thought though and thanks for providing intelligent insight.


look at the e-thug yo

[SvicksTc]

the turbocharged ones run a 14 flat.


ahhh ok, i was talking about the s/c ones....

[Ptde]

Really?Or is that what it's rated?....

Again stock they have hit 13.5@104
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHxW6WAr848

[Ptde]

ahhh ok, i was talking about the s/c ones....

Average driver will see a mid 14 stock and a good driver can hit low 14s.

Though mods really wake them up.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Hatrickstu-goes-12s_195722.htm?ref=933c020e-0479-490b-b72b-e1ce4e685039

[mikes7ke]

wait wait wait....mike likes it in the rear? lulz

Is that wrong?

[Reds82]

You can make a 2link solid axle rear handle good dodge did it in 85 with the glhs omnis .88g on the skid pad http://www.shelbyglhs.com/GLHS/GLHSvsGT350.cfm had a few dodge turbo cars they where a blast. When emission rules got stricter we lost a lot of fun cars in till recent years when they figured ways to make them better on emissions. Only thing that gets me is how brand loyal people can be I go for what I like not you shouldn't drive this or that it's not like the company is giving you a free car.

[Blkmax]

Here u go, I havent read anything but the first and 2nd post. Ur deff getting the idiots who act like everything is a waste of there time, yet they took the "precious" time out their day to post here. What ur saying is tru. However id hardly consider a Cavalier a real performance car. Except for the one u stated with the swap. But the New cobalt SS turbo is absolutely nasty. It has taken the Neon SRT-4s place as the badass of american pocket rockets. (the Caliber is a peice of ****, and if anyone likes it, then just know that i consider u gay :wink: ) In its range I like first the 09 WRX (I am partial), then the Cobalt turbo, then the MS3. the Ralliart will be good, but it needs more power. the civic Si is nice, but just doesnt compete with the first 3. and the GTi is great, but it also lacks much in performance. It would've been nice to see ford make the Focus RS in AWD to directly compete with STI and EVO. But fords management are a bunch of **** tard idiots. The Mustang is terrific as always. the USA has many great cars. But I personally give credit where credit is due. If a company makes a great fast performance car, then they have my respect. Fast is fast, regardless of what country it comes from. Dont listen to some idoits with civics that push under 200hp after decent mods. They dont know what "fast" is. In all markets, Asian, US, europe. There are good performance cars and their are poser mobiles. Its the same across the board. Good thought though and thanks for providing intelligent insight.

I love reading your posts.

To the OP, personally, I don't have any problem with American cars in general... But you also have to think- while some people "look down" on American cars, there are also tons of people that look down on imports. I dont know why it would bother you so much to make a thread about it.. The view people have on a particular brand of car is there opinion. Let it go

[SvicksTc]

Im going by what they are rated at....I dont have much info on the TC Cobalts

but like i said before I guess with an awesome launch, with tons of traction and no wheel hop, powershifting, A a s/c would be AWESOME to see run a 14 flat....

Be super impressed

[DPancoast]

Probe GT motors = Mazda

[jdm free]

Average driver will see a mid 14 stock and a good driver can hit low 14s.

Though mods really wake them up.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Hatrickstu-goes-12s_195722.htm?ref=933c020e-0479-490b-b72b-e1ce4e685039

the dude is usin nitrous in that link dude.

edmunds car review says 14 flat.

[SvicksTc]

the dude is usin nitrous in that link dude.

edmunds car review says 14 flat.

x2.....And to ptde? I know mods really wake them up like i said one of my best friends has a Stage 4 ss s/c thing is nasty...check out his members journal WetssBolt

[Got Insulin?]

Probe GT motors = Mazda

That's what I was thinking of! Thanks.

[Ptde]

the dude is usin nitrous in that link dude.

edmunds car review says 14 flat.

Nitrious?Haha, you do know stock they are in nanny mode and cant go over 260whp with out a tune right? On nitrous it would pull alot better time than that. Like some one said earlier a stock SRT-4 has hit 13.6 stock but a SS/TC which has more power from the begining needs nitrous to knock off one more tenth??? With a tune and bolt-ons they are 320+whp 360+ft-lbs..
Haha, are you seriously going by edmunds and thinking what they got is exactly what the car is cabable of with the many variables that could be factored in?

[jdm free]

Nitrious?Haha, you do know stock they are in nanny mode and cant go over 260whp with out a tune right? On nitrous it would pull alot better time than that. Like some one said earlier a stock SRT-4 has hit 13.6 stock but a SS/TC which has more power from the begining needs nitrous to knock off one more tenth??? With a tune and bolt-ons they are 320+whp 360+ft-lbs..
Haha, are you seriously going by edmunds and thinking what they got is exactly what the car is cabable of with the many variables that could be factored in?


i didnt watch the video. just read the side note that said stock blower wit nitrous.


wat do u mean variables factored in, driver? im sure its not ndubz drivin the car.

[namdoogwerdna]

Do you even know how to speak? Did you take grammar class?

It never CEASES to amaze me, not it never seems to amaze me. Your thread title makes no sense, therefore you should not be taken seriously.

[97TurboDSM]

glad that the OP came back to chime in. what a joke of a thread. everyone has their own opinions and everyone likes something different. get your head outta your ass and realize that's how life is.

[russiankid]

Here u go, I havent read anything but the first and 2nd post. Ur deff getting the idiots who act like everything is a waste of there time, yet they took the "precious" time out their day to post here. What ur saying is tru. However id hardly consider a Cavalier a real performance car. Except for the one u stated with the swap. But the New cobalt SS turbo is absolutely nasty. It has taken the Neon SRT-4s place as the badass of american pocket rockets. (the Caliber is a peice of ****, and if anyone likes it, then just know that i consider u gay :wink: ) In its range I like first the 09 WRX (I am partial), then the Cobalt turbo, then the MS3. the Ralliart will be good, but it needs more power. the civic Si is nice, but just doesnt compete with the first 3. and the GTi is great, but it also lacks much in performance. It would've been nice to see ford make the Focus RS in AWD to directly compete with STI and EVO. But fords management are a bunch of **** tard idiots. The Mustang is terrific as always. the USA has many great cars. But I personally give credit where credit is due. If a company makes a great fast performance car, then they have my respect. Fast is fast, regardless of what country it comes from. Dont listen to some idoits with civics that push under 200hp after decent mods. They dont know what "fast" is. In all markets, Asian, US, europe. There are good performance cars and their are poser mobiles. Its the same across the board. Good thought though and thanks for providing intelligent insight.

Fast is fast? Maybe you should clarify why kind of fast i.e. quarter mile or on the track. Last time I checked American cars aren't that great in handling, minus the SRT-4 and Cobalt.

[Ptde]

i didnt watch the video. just read the side note that said stock blower wit nitrous.


wat do u mean variables factored in, driver? im sure its not ndubz drivin the car.

With nitrous? What are you talking about? the 13.5@104 was a bone stock SS/TC. The 12.75@108.9 was a bolt on SS/SC that noted OFF nitrous.The guy doesn't even have a nitrous set-up. And by variables I meant the (what should be) obvious things like elevation, temp etc.

[jdm free]

With nitrous? What are you talking about? the 13.5@104 was a bone stock SS/TC. The 12.75@108.9 was a bolt on SS/SC that noted OFF nitrous.The guy doesn't even have a nitrous set-up.

i guess you cant understand what i said. I DIDNT WATCH THE VIDEO.

[97TurboDSM]

Do you even know how to speak? Did you take grammar class?

It never CEASES to amaze me, not it never seems to amaze me. Your thread title makes no sense, therefore you should not be taken seriously.

thanks for pointing out what i did in post #4

[namdoogwerdna]

thanks for pointing out what i did in post #4

lol cuz i was gonna read through this useless thread, i didnt even read the first sentence of the body. my bad babe <3

[97TurboDSM]

Fast is fast? Maybe you should clarify why kind of fast i.e. quarter mile or on the track. Last time I checked American cars aren't that great in handling, minus the SRT-4 and Cobalt.

he thinks his STi is fast.

edit: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/97TurboDSM/chunkylove.gif namdoog

[jdm free]

glad that the OP came back to chime in. what a joke of a thread. everyone has their own opinions and everyone likes something different. get your head outta your ass and realize that's how life is.

no but some other guy clearly has his panties all in a bunch and feels the same way

[Scapegoat]

not all tc/sc cobalts are going to perform the same stock... so its a pretty retarded argument going on here...

neon srt is approx 100lbs lighter than the cobalt...

now, i don't know much about the cobalt, i don't really like the looks nor the price (at least when i bought my SRT new in 05)... and i'm certainly not going to move into one of those from my SRT... so my knowledge is limited.

however... as i said, not every car from the factory will perform 100% same, even with the same driver.

I managed 14 flats (14.01) in my srt stock w/ half a tank of gas, and everything else in it... I dynoed at 215.6whp (or so... the sheet is up here somewhere)

If a cobalt ss is dynoing... around the 230 area, it should have no problem reaching 14 flat w/ a good driver. higher than that and you're looking at high 13's in that car.

The SRT's that were hitting mid 13's stock were putting down 230-240 whp, and had good drivers... i'd say the average srt owner was hitting 14.1's and around that range.

My numbers are going strictly on weight to HP, based on my own experiences in another domestic FWD turbo charged car... I'm not sure if the transmission in the cobalt would affect times compared to the SRT.

all THAT being said...

put the magazine down... and shut up

[Ptde]

i guess you cant understand what i said. I DIDNT WATCH THE VIDEO.

Then why comment on something you didn't even read right?

[ASIAN JUL]

Do you even know how to speak? Did you take grammar class?

It never CEASES to amaze me, not it never seems to amaze me. Your thread title makes no sense, therefore you should not be taken seriously.

:rofl:

[jdm free]

Then why comment on something you didn't even read right?

click the link and look to the right of the vid, this is wat it says
"new record for stock blower cobalt off nitrous"

[russiankid]

he thinks his STi is fast.

edit: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s243/97TurboDSM/chunkylove.gif namdoog

Then he gives a bad name to STi owners.

[SvicksTc]

Obviously not every car is going to have the same exact quarter mile when stock, but come on you think a company is going to produce a car where one is goign to run 14 flat and the other is goign to run a 15.2 and the other is goign to be running a 14.7, etc, etc....**** is going to be close going off Manufacture specs....

Also I would love to see a dyno sheet of a stock cobalt ss s/c putting down 220+ to the wheels...Please some one show me that one

Only thing truly different about the tranny is gear ratio and lsd

[jdm free]

Then he gives a bad name to STi owners.

people definitely dont associate him wit other sti owners, just like black people dont want micheal jackson

[Ptde]

click the link and look to the right of the vid, this is wat it says
"new record for stock blower cobalt off nitrous"

Yes, thats what I just said to you because you said with nitrous.

[jdm free]

Yes, thats what I just said to you because you said with nitrous.

i dont get wat ur tryin to say. i said pretty much the same thing in my first response. and ur trying to argue

[ASIAN JUL]

I think you two are arguing on whether off nitrous means it used nitrous or whether it means with no nitrous?

[jdm free]

I think you two are arguing on whether off nitrous means it used nitrous or whether it means with no nitrous?

im just sayin what i read. not wat was in the video since i didnt watch it.

[Scapegoat]

Obviously not every car is going to have the same exact quarter mile when stock, but come on you think a company is going to produce a car where one is goign to run 14 flat and the other is goign to run a 15.2 and the other is goign to be running a 14.7, etc, etc....**** is going to be close going off Manufacture specs....

Also I would love to see a dyno sheet of a stock cobalt ss s/c putting down 220+ to the wheels...Please some one show me that one

Only thing truly different about the tranny is gear ratio and lsd

this is chevy we're talking about...

like i said, i don't know the specs to well... just looked the specs of a s/c cobalt... 205 bhp, which means they're putting down 180ish... which means they're not running low 14s.

but it possible that they were underrated from the factory... much like the srt-4's whp was released as its bhp to keep insurance down

i don't know... nor do i really care... this thread started off horrible, and this "conversation" about stock cobalts isn't going anywhere

[jdm free]

this is chevy we're talking about...

like i said, i don't know the specs to well... just looked the specs of a s/c cobalt... 205 bhp, which means they're putting down 180ish... which means they're not running low 14s.

but it possible that they were underrated from the factory... much like the srt-4's whp was released as its bhp to keep insurance down

i don't know... nor do i really care... this thread started off horrible, and this "conversation" about stock cobalts isn't going anywhere

i think they are underrated. ive been told quite a few times by people in person they were, but it was more like they make like 209 to the wheels not 230

[SvicksTc]

Haha alright i get what your saying scapegoat

[Ptde]

Also I would love to see a dyno sheet of a stock cobalt ss s/c putting down 220+ to the wheels...Please some one show me that one


Here you go. Though like mentioned about the SRT-4's they vary stock.All stock unless noted.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Cobalt-Timeslip-14281.html

Note: the dyno was before the pulley.
http://www.dragtimes.com/2005-Chevrolet-Cobalt-Dyno-Results-Graphs-8594.html

Here are some others.

http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/2/1/7/2/scan1.JPG


Intake on 1st below
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2296000-2296999/2296002_31_full.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk225/EXsoccer1921/markstock06ss.jpg

Then there are vids of stock runs though no graphs..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Vf-dD77vI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLk-nbmDcYE&feature=related

[Stillen GLE]

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1125/failboatxt8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[sherwood]

get off my forum u australians!

[SvicksTc]

Dont DynoJet's Read High?

[Scapegoat]

those are pretty crappy graphs...

its nice that they just keep going up... but they're hitting peak HP at the end of the run... where its pretty much pointless b/c you need to shift...

here is my car stock

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/MonkeyGarage/dyno.jpg

and for ****s and giggles...

my car after $300 in parts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/MonkeyGarage/Picture192.jpg

[Stillen GLE]

dam looks like the SRT owns the cobalt.

[Scapegoat]

this thread reminds me how much i love my neon... maybe i'll throw my tax refund into the car instead of the truck... hmmmm

[SvicksTc]

Dont DynoJet's Read Higher?

[Scapegoat]

Dont DynoJet's Read Higher?

dunno, compared to what?

i have/had track slips stock saying 14 flats... i don't think my car would be able to pull those numbers with any less whp :lol: its been... 3 years, so i don't think i have them anymore though :/

[Ptde]

dam looks like the SRT owns the cobalt.

Haha, yes the SC ones. Though the TC ones are seeing ~ +280whp +320ft-lbs with just a tune.

[SvicksTc]

dunno, compared to what?

i have/had track slips stock saying 14 flats... i don't think my car would be able to pull those numbers with any less whp :lol: its been... 3 years, so i don't think i have them anymore though :/

No No its not like i dont believe you, you dont have to prove anything im just asking a question....

[Scapegoat]

Haha, yes the SC ones. Though the TC ones are seeing +290whp +320ft-lbs with just a tune.

thats the benefit of a t/c system... cobalt or neon or caliber... a tune is going to see a nice increase regardless.

The one thing the t/c cobalt has over the t/c neon, other than being produced AFTER the neon and AFTER dodge had spent years... nearly 2 decades actually... paving the way for domestic FWD turbo vehicles... is the turbo on the neon srt-4 was/is a huge limiting factor in modifying the rest of the system... it tops out at 300 whp just about...

not sure what the difference is between the two turbos... or the caliber's turbo to the cobalt... but i'm sure either system is better than the neon's

[Ptde]

No No its not like i dont believe you, you dont have to prove anything im just asking a question....

Dyno jets read higher than Mustang dyno's. Is that what you mean?

[Stillen GLE]

Haha, yes the SC ones. Though the TC ones are seeing ~ +280whp +320ft-lbs with just a tune.

magazine's don't mean ****.

[Scapegoat]

No No its not like i dont believe you, you dont have to prove anything im just asking a question....

not trying to prove anything really... i'd be interested to know myself as well.

but just guessing off the numbers... 215whp is probably barely 14 flats in the 1/4... especially if stock cobalts w/ 209whp are running mid/high 14's...

maybe the dynojet runs to low?

[Scapegoat]

magazine's don't mean ****.

magazines also don't generally test modified cars

[Scapegoat]

ah **** you guys... i'm gonna be spending money on my car because of this...

[mustang08]

magazine's don't mean ****.

Actually i think they are about the same since the tc and the srt4 i heard both put out 280 horse

[jdm free]

i think im might go test drive one for ****s and giggles. im curious to see how the handle.

[HickRocket1258]

Since this thread seems to have failed......RWDFTW!!!!

[Stillen GLE]

I can't believe this thread has gone this far.

[Scapegoat]

i think im might go test drive one for ****s and giggles. im curious to see how the handle.

i can't do it... dodge/chrysler has been doing the turbo fwd thing since the 80's... chevy just comes in all like "omg we can has TURBO!" and before that they stole "An American Revolution" from dodge...

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/5832739062773595.JPG

[jdm free]

i can't do it... dodge/chrysler has been doing the turbo fwd thing since the 80's... chevy just comes in all like "omg we can has TURBO!" and before that they stole "An American Revolution" from dodge...

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/5832739062773595.JPG

i know dsm and dodge has been doing it for yrs, just wanna see how special this ss/tc is. i know the interiors are ugly as ****. unlike the si. a car shouldnt just be all about speed when its a brand new car. styling, interior, power, handling should all be considered

[Scapegoat]

i know dsm and dodge has been doing it for yrs, just wanna see how special this ss/tc is. i know the interiors are ugly as ****. unlike the si. a car shouldnt just be all about speed when its a brand new car

eh, its a car that is meant to perform... if i want a plush interior i'll get a cadillac. Give me my incredibly awesome srt-4 bolstered bucket seats, crappy plastic interior components, randomly leaking windshield, pleather, and required gauges... that makes me happy.

I don't need lights that make the interior feel like a space ship, i don't need heated leather seats. just keep me behind the wheel and give me the information i need

[Stillen GLE]

I personally don't really care much for either of them, although Id like to test drive them both at some point.

[mustang08]

I personally don't really care much for either of them, although Id like to test drive them both at some point.

Maybe if u like them when u test drive them u can trade in ur maxima for it

[OutToWinPAHC]

something that you don't really see everyday. For example the other day I saw a yellow z24 Cavalier with an LSJ swap (Cobalt SS motor) with the supercharger.
:mrgreen:

So its out of the realm of normal to swap an engine in a car with the same chassis? Sounds like a bolt on affair to me that doesn't require a whole hell of a lot. Take engine and trans from J-body, stick in J-body.

[Stillen GLE]

Id rock a Chevy Aveo.................Not

[mustang08]

Id rock a Chevy Aveo.................Not

haha but that car wouldnt make u look like ur 12 years old when driving since it is so small lol

[jdm free]

eh, its a car that is meant to perform... if i want a plush interior i'll get a cadillac. Give me my incredibly awesome srt-4 bolstered bucket seats, crappy plastic interior components, randomly leaking windshield, pleather, and required gauges... that makes me happy.

I don't need lights that make the interior feel like a space ship, i don't need heated leather seats. just keep me behind the wheel and give me the information i need

i drive a lot so i like to be semi comfortable and not have to look at a crappy interior. the si and ms3 have nice bolstered seats and i wonder if these do to. i just never liked the inside of the cobalt and im guessin the ss isnt anythin better than the base models. and i dont need leather or a cadilac.

[Stillen GLE]

Here watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUBdvf1UmE8

[Ptde]

magazines also don't generally test modified cars

Yep, though I wasn't going by magazines Here is the/a stock top 10 list I found. As you can see with a good 60' they run low 14's. Being FWD an average driver will see mid 14's and a bad driver can see high 14's on up.
14.06@99.34 w/2.18 60'
14.12@97.29 w/2.00 60'
14.16@99.94 w/2.21 60'
14.24@100.06 w/2.23 60'
14.25@98.98 w/2.21 60'
14.29@99.60 w/2.19 60'
14.34@97.81 w/2.23 60'
14.35@99.36 w/2.27 60'
14.37@97.65 w/2.29 60'
14.37@98.26 w/2.22 60'

[Xavier]

a modded cavalier is just stupid, whats the point of doing a anything to car when its not gonna go anywhere and isnt even an attractive car.Its called opinion. Some may like Cavaliers. I happen to think the 95-99 coupes are good looking econoboxes compared to Civics, Neons, Imprezzas, Lancers, and others in that same class.

[Stillen GLE]

Yep, though I wasn't going by magazines Here is the/a stock top 10 list I found. As you can see with a good 60' they run low 14's. Being FWD an average driver will see mid 14's and a bad driver can see high 14's on up.
14.06@99.34 w/2.18 60'
14.12@97.29 w/2.00 60'
14.16@99.94 w/2.21 60'
14.24@100.06 w/2.23 60'
14.25@98.98 w/2.21 60'
14.29@99.60 w/2.19 60'
14.34@97.81 w/2.23 60'
14.35@99.36 w/2.27 60'
14.37@97.65 w/2.29 60'
14.37@98.26 w/2.22 60'

where did this come from?

because that's not all that true.

[Scapegoat]

Here watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUBdvf1UmE8

that is just retarded to post... considering we're talking about stock cars and running on a drag strip...

not two modified cars street racing

[Ptde]

where did this come from?

because that's not all that true.

Here.
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139479

[Ptde]

There has been a LSJ swapped Aveo aswell.

[ndubz]

Fast is fast? Maybe you should clarify why kind of fast i.e. quarter mile or on the track. Last time I checked American cars aren't that great in handling, minus the SRT-4 and Cobalt.

It depends on what ur talking about. Last I checked, the Vette and the Viper handle pretty well. But they are all around sports cars. But i assume ur talking about muscle cars and big sedans. Yes. they dont handle well. But they are built for the big straight line speed, not corners. The Cobalt SS and the Neon SRT4 are great for their class. But remember, they were built to compete with cars that are good all around cars like the MS3, WRXs, Evo, GTi, Si, etc. So they had to be. But much of american cars are built for draging and Highways, because that is the type of performance our society has tended to value most. My definition of a "fast" street car is this: 0-60 in under 6sec, 1/4 mile in under 14.5 sec. Slolom of like 68mph+. skidpad of .87 +. etc. If a car can do all that , then it is faster than 99% of other cars on public roads. My definition of "fast" for race cars varies by type and class. "fast" is completely dependent on what u are comparing. The new Cobalt is pretty effing fast, as is the SRT4 Neon.

[Ptde]

This thread really was uncalled for I just saw it and noticed the OP wasn't all the way correct. Just figured I would stick around and correct the info that wasn't right about SS/SC's and SS/TC's.. Personaly for the cost I would rather get a used Evo IX.

[ndubz]

This thread really was uncalled for I just saw it and noticed the OP wasn't all the way correct. Just figured I would stick around and correct the info that wasn't right about SS/SC's and SS/TC's.. Personaly for the cost I would rather get a used Evo IX.

Agreed, id never look new in this range. Why have a cobalt or wrx when u could have an Evo or STi

[JSpecV03]

so basically what im gathering from this and my conclusion is that basically everyone is differant and has differant prefrences. weather it be an import, or american whatever.
to me, if you like american cars, cool....i just happen to prefer nissans over everything else. but thats me. the next person will be totally differant

[Sincere]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/sincere27/cobaltss.jpg
This one's cool..:)

[OMGz Turbo]

That paint scheme has way too much going on with it.

[Vr-4-Life]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/sincere27/cobaltss.jpg
This one's cool..:)

Im going to print that out and keep it in my wallet for when anyone ever calls my honda ricer.

[012.5RS]

he's prolly out driving his primered cavalier with spinner hub caps right now

no that was me u saw...































































j/k :)

[Ptde]

Ehh, the time attack SS/SC is ugly. I looked it up once..let me find it again.

Vehicle Highlights
• Stage 2+ Ecotec engine developed by GM Performance Division and GM Powertrain
• 264 whp @ 7000 rpm (344 whp @ 6800 rpm with nitrous boost)
• 230 lb.-ft. of torque at 4000 rpm (350 lb.-ft. of torque @ 3600 rpm with nitrous boost)
• Eaton M-62 Gen 5 Hybrid supercharger
• Carbon fiber body panels (fenders, hood, doors, roof, decklid, side splitters and spoiler)
• Modified suspension, tires and brakes
• Glass replaced with Lexan
• Corsa exhaust system
• Fuel cell
• Nitrous oxide system
• Race paint scheme with sponsor logos
• Race wheels
• Minimal interior trim
• Full roll cage and side net
• Sparco race steering wheel
• Safety system per National Auto Sport Association race rules
• Sparco carbon fiber race seat
• Race gauge package

To turn a street machine into a track racer you need the right pedigree: a hot, lightweight performer with plenty of handling capabilities, and a team of battle-tested racing engineers to make it happen. That explains why Chevrolet and GM Performance Division have taken the sizzling Cobalt SS Coupe Supercharged coupe and turned it into an Unlimited Class Time Attack machine, which already bested the legendary Nissan Skyline’s times by seven seconds in Street Tuner Challenge’s Time Attack on July 21.

The Time Attack Cobalt SS Supercharged coupe runs in NASA’s Unlimited class, which includes FWD, RWD and AWD vehicles. Following SEMA, it will race on Nov. 8 at Buttonwillow Raceway Park in central California – the same track where it beat the best times of an 801-horsepower AWD, twin-turbo Nissan Skyline and a nitrous-charged Volkswagen Jetta.

[Ptde]

Here is the new SS/TC for the Koni Challenge. It doesn't have the power and what not of the Time Attack SS/SC but the "style" looks alot better.

http://www.mccalmontracing.com/images/slideshow/050_On_the_track_at_Daytona.jpg

[ASIAN JUL]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/sincere27/cobaltss.jpg
This one's cool..:)

At first I was like... :eek:

...but then I was like....

......:rofl:

[frosti108]

I like American cars, but I don't like FWD.


DITTO.


honestly, i think the only reason anyone ever thought the cobalt looks bad, is because its image has followed the fact that its fwd.

if the car was rwd, with the same motor, i would rock one all day!

fwd is just not for the american car enthusiast.

chevy should start getting back to its rwd roots more often, and it really wouldnt hurt if they spied on nissan a little bit :)


edit: ive always thought the cavi looked great and would love it if they made them rwd but they didnt. once in a while though, you see one swapped with a rwd swap which is totally sick :supz:

[012.5RS]

i can't do it... dodge/chrysler has been doing the turbo fwd thing since the 80's... chevy just comes in all like "omg we can has TURBO!" and before that they stole "An American Revolution" from dodge...

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/5832739062773595.JPG

chevy had a turbo corvair monza spyderin 1962 and olds had the f-85 turbo jetfire same year

http://wikicars.org/en/Chevrolet_Corvair

[marshallpre1]

Summary of TST's General Car Related Chat Section

1. User1 chimes in with "why does everyone hate on my XXX car?"
2. User2 chimes in with "well because it is not fast and riced out"
3. User1 returns with "wtf do you drive? My XXX car is better than your POS YYY car"
4. User2 counteracts with "are you s**ting me? My YYY car handles way way better than your XXX car."
5. Argument ensues.
6. Everyone hates each other
7. Ndubz comes in with "I have respect for XXX and YYY cars but my STi is still better."
8. Everyone then forgets about the thread and goes after Ndubz
9. Bryan locks thread

Did I miss anything?

[Vr-4-Life]

ROFL... your the man....

[Elliott18t]

Summary of TST's General Car Related Chat Section

1. User1 chimes in with "why does everyone hate on my XXX car?"
2. User2 chimes in with "well because it is not fast and riced out"
3. User1 returns with "wtf do you drive? My XXX car is better than your POS YYY car"
4. User2 counteracts with "are you s**ting me? My YYY car handles way way better than your XXX car."
5. Argument ensues.
6. Everyone hates each other
7. Ndubz comes in with "I have respect for XXX and YYY cars but my STi is still better."
8. Everyone then forgets about the thread and goes after Ndubz
9. Bryan locks thread

Did I miss anything?


quoted for truth!:mrgreen:

[Scapegoat]

chevy had a turbo corvair monza spyderin 1962 and olds had the f-85 turbo jetfire same year

http://wikicars.org/en/Chevrolet_Corvair

and? how many turbo vehicles did dodge produce in the 80's with technology closer to today's cars? IE computer controlled, higher emissions regulations, etc.

a single turbo system 47 years ago is not even close to comparable to a company who produced and engineered multiple systems over the course of 10-15 years.

i don't get the "image because its FWD" bit either... my car would still look like a neon if it was RWD and people would still hate on it because of that ;)

the cobalt wouldn't look any different either... i think its just your perception that RWD is a better platform(which it is) and is the reason why i won't be going w/ another FWD performance vehicle.... unless i get an omni glhs... :)

[Elliott18t]

and? how many turbo vehicles did dodge produce in the 80's with technology closer to today's cars? IE computer controlled, higher emissions regulations, etc.

a single turbo system 47 years ago is not even close to comparable to a company who produced and engineered multiple systems over the course of 10-15 years.

i don't get the "image because its FWD" bit either... my car would still look like a neon if it was RWD and people would still hate on it because of that ;)

the cobalt wouldn't look any different either... i think its just your perception that RWD is a better platform(which it is) and is the reason why i won't be going w/ another FWD performance vehicle.... unless i get an omni glhs... :)

good choice :thumbup:
next vehicle will be RWD or AWD. :cool:

[BugEyeGuy]

Yeah sorry dude I comp. disagree with your thread, American cars are widely looked down upon because they aren't as reliable or well engineered as foreign cars are I mean dude the style alone pretty much blows on almost all domestic cars. I think it's funny you go on to talk up the cobalt SS (which is just the new cavalier with a new name and engine) it's nothing special appearance wise and most people would prefer any of the other turbo car available. I personally would drive a turbo or super charged mini cooper S before i'd even look at the cobalt. If the cobalt is so special and so fast then how come it doesn't beat my car it's a 2002 WRX with not that many mods yet and I've beaten every Cobalt and Srt-4 i've faced not even by choice more because they see my car and automatically need to race me because i'm a "ricer" and No i'm not at all saying my car is king of the world and that it's better than everyones i'm stating a simple fact. I'm not trying to start **** here either I just don't at all agree with your thread there are many reasons to look down upon American made cars, for those of us that do. I mean all of us "ricers" get bashed by all the American car junkies everyday which is fine I just laugh I wouldn't make a thread about it though.

[Elliott18t]

Yeah sorry dude I comp. disagree with your thread, American cars are widely looked down upon because they aren't as reliable or well engineered as foreign cars are I mean dude the style alone pretty much blows on almost all domestic cars. I think it's funny you go on to talk up the cobalt SS (which is just the new cavalier with a new name and engine) it's nothing special appearance wise and most people would prefer any of the other turbo car available. I personally would drive a turbo or super charged mini cooper S before i'd even look at the cobalt. If tho cobalt is so special and so fast then how come it doesn't beat my car it's a 2002 WRX with not that many mods yet and I've beaten every Cobalt and Srt-4 i've faced not even by choice more because they see my car and automatically need to race me because i'm a "ricer" just that alone pisses me off. I'm not trying to start **** here either I just don't at all agree with your thread there are many reasons to look down upon American made cars, for those of us that do. I mean all of us "ricers" get bashed by all the American car junkies everyday which is fine I just laugh I wouldn't make a thread about it though.

I slightly disagree. We had a 2000 mustang GT that never had a single problem except for simple wear and tear for 170K miles... that was until my sister got hold of it(it was auto). the 4.6 v8 is a good engine. besides that, I agree. :P

[OMGz Turbo]

Yeah sorry dude I comp. disagree with your thread, American cars are widely looked down upon because they aren't as reliable or well engineered as foreign cars are I mean dude the style alone pretty much blows on almost all domestic cars. I think it's funny you go on to talk up the cobalt SS (which is just the new cavalier with a new name and engine) it's nothing special appearance wise and most people would prefer any of the other turbo car available. I personally would drive a turbo or super charged mini cooper S before i'd even look at the cobalt. If the cobalt is so special and so fast then how come it doesn't beat my car it's a 2002 WRX with not that many mods yet and I've beaten every Cobalt and Srt-4 i've faced not even by choice more because they see my car and automatically need to race me because i'm a "ricer" and No i'm not at all saying my car is king of the world and that it's better than everyones i'm stating a simple fact. I'm not trying to start **** here either I just don't at all agree with your thread there are many reasons to look down upon American made cars, for those of us that do. I mean all of us "ricers" get bashed by all the American car junkies everyday which is fine I just laugh I wouldn't make a thread about it though.


Before i make you look like a complete ****ing idiot. Your car stock cant even beat a SS or SRT. And i have been MANY of STi's And Evos stock of course but i have because im the better driver 90% of the time. So maybe you just raced a couple of high schoolers who have no idea what they are doing.

Second, what makes american cars so unreliable. Lets see saturns are american and they are reliable. Any "Domestic" car is reliable as long as it is taken care of, but of course you have the I HAZ A SUBIE THEREFORE IM INVICABLEEEZZZZ mentality.

**** ALL CARS THAT AERNT DOMESTIC. YOUR ALL GARBAGE I HOPE YOU ALL DIE IN FIRES.

[TGilb2007]

Sabb i think, at least when we work on WetssBolt's car we see Sabb over everything.....I actually think sab uses the same block in the turbo sabb coupe.....

And bashing americans cars? I mean there are so many things that can be discussed here.....In particular you seemed to be very biased towards the SS S/C which you think so many people bash? Ive always been impressed with them since they first came out, they are in the same class as the new civic SI, TC Supercharged, Redline Saturn, etc, etc but in my experience out perform all for the most part. I actually showed one of my best friends one and he ended up buying it after he had no interest at first... *WetSSbolt*.....

A lot of people are not big on american "TUNER" cars because of the realiabilty and lack of support from the aftermarket world.....A lot are done very horrible *like any other type of car*

American cars are just no the best platform to start off with due to the lack of aftermarket support, reliability, and performance aspect of the engines, suspesions etc.....

I could go on and on about this..... Theres good and there is Bads...


S/C Cobalt are rated at 205hp and i think thats at the crank, like i said its in the same class as:
New Civic SI
TRD Supercharged TC
Redline Saturn *Same LSJ engine*
Prolly RSX-S

And as for the OP saying the handleing was good on a stock Cobalt SS S/C hahaha i dont think you ever drove one buddy, **** is sloppy as hell with out some sways, lowering.....

and would love to see some dyno's of a stock s/c putting 225whp hahaha.....I dont think you got all your apples in a bucket here shooting out information like that....

Like i Said on of my best friends ended up buying a S/C cobalt, one i told him to look at and check out because of my interest in them, he ended up building it up pretty damn good *check his member journal* and he says everyday its an american GM car and ****s goign to blow son.....just happens hahaha and in particular with the LSJ motor GM didnt desing the fuel system to well as long as a couple other stupid things, but when you start putting some power through those motors....Say bye bye piston # 4

It's a GM block, and GM parts. They share parts between the Saab Turbo'd cars, and the LSJ.

magazine's don't mean ****.

Shame about the numbers is, with HPTuners, some time, and an LSJ motor, you can net some serious gains

Agreed, id never look new in this range. Why have a cobalt or wrx when u could have an Evo or STi

Why not? I wouldn't mind a Cobalt SS over an Evo or an STi. Cheaper on the insurance, a growing platform, and a car that ::gasp:: isn't half bad

Summary of TST's General Car Related Chat Section

1. User1 chimes in with "why does everyone hate on my XXX car?"
2. User2 chimes in with "well because it is not fast and riced out"
3. User1 returns with "wtf do you drive? My XXX car is better than your POS YYY car"
4. User2 counteracts with "are you s**ting me? My YYY car handles way way better than your XXX car."
5. Argument ensues.
6. Everyone hates each other
7. Ndubz comes in with "I have respect for XXX and YYY cars but my STi is still better."
8. Everyone then forgets about the thread and goes after Ndubz
9. Bryan locks thread

Did I miss anything?

Pretty much. And if it wasn't ndubz, it would be someone else getting attacked

Yeah sorry dude I comp. disagree with your thread, American cars are widely looked down upon because they aren't as reliable or well engineered as foreign cars are I mean dude the style alone pretty much blows on almost all domestic cars. I think it's funny you go on to talk up the cobalt SS (which is just the new cavalier with a new name and engine) it's nothing special appearance wise and most people would prefer any of the other turbo car available. I personally would drive a turbo or super charged mini cooper S before i'd even look at the cobalt. If the cobalt is so special and so fast then how come it doesn't beat my car it's a 2002 WRX with not that many mods yet and I've beaten every Cobalt and Srt-4 i've faced not even by choice more because they see my car and automatically need to race me because i'm a "ricer" and No i'm not at all saying my car is king of the world and that it's better than everyones i'm stating a simple fact. I'm not trying to start **** here either I just don't at all agree with your thread there are many reasons to look down upon American made cars, for those of us that do. I mean all of us "ricers" get bashed by all the American car junkies everyday which is fine I just laugh I wouldn't make a thread about it though.

1st statement - Any car, and I repeat, ANY CAR, can be realiable in the hands of the right owner. My old 3.1l Cavalier is still running strong at 200,00ik miles on it, and the most he has replaced are brakes, clutch, and fluids since I basically GAVE it to him.

2nd Statement - There are a TON of differences between the J-Body platform, and the deltas. Name and Engine are just TWO things. Suspension tuning is leagues better, as are about a thousand other things. Again, a J-Body (Cavalier, Sunfire, Sunbird, and whatnot), is NOT, NOT, NOT a Delta.

3rd Statement - Just because you are "beating" SRT-4s and Cobalt SS (btw, which ones, the t/c or s/c), doesn't mean they all suck. Chat to some people on Cobaltss.net, or even a few people here, and race them. Make it interesting, and add some turns.

[BugEyeGuy]

Before i make you look like a complete ****ing idiot. Your car stock cant even beat a SS or SRT. And i have been MANY of STi's And Evos stock of course but i have because im the better driver 90% of the time. So maybe you just raced a couple of high schoolers who have no idea what they are doing.

Second, what makes american cars so unreliable. Lets see saturns are american and they are reliable. Any "Domestic" car is reliable as long as it is taken care of, but of course you have the I HAZ A SUBIE THEREFORE IM INVICABLEEEZZZZ mentality.

**** ALL CARS THAT AERNT DOMESTIC. YOUR ALL GARBAGE I HOPE YOU ALL DIE IN FIRES.

Are you really that dumb? I know 5 friends who had a saturn totally **** on them to the point where they had to just buy a new car. I think you neglected to mention American car companys build cars with ALOT less effort and way cheaper parts hence most of them always having problems. Yes an Srt-4 is faster stock , my car is not stock and i've had to race several because they initiated it and 2 of them were someones ****ing dad and if not a dad then some random 40+ year old dude and i'm a good ****ing driver so if you don't believe me come along sometime otherwise don't even try talking **** to me... and yeah right to you beating any of those cars stock you most certainly would lose to even a stock STI or EVO... my bad I forgot your Srt-4 is QUAD TURBO BRO your the king dude!!! BTW don't wish death upon anyone your just a D-bag for even saying that

[BugEyeGuy]

No dude sorry I even stated I don't think my car is ultra supreme or king of the road but IMO i'd drive a Japanese or German car over an American made car any day!!!

[OMGz Turbo]

i was joking. But if you want me to be entirely serious i will make you cry. Because im that big of a deal

[TGilb2007]

No dude sorry I even stated I don't think my car is ultra supreme or king of the road but IMO i'd drive a Japanese or German car over an American made car any day!!!

You do realize that nearly ALL the Japanese and German car companies..... are assembling their cars in the US, right????

[BugEyeGuy]

Nah thats where your wrong buddy I've had two deaths around me recently and your sitting here talking about wishing us dead in a fire, unless you want my foot real far up your ass i'd stay clear of me and you can't make me cry over anything car related.I f your even trying to talk up that srt-4 come find me the start of this summer i'll shame the living **** out of you or any Srt-4 owner i'm not one to make things up or lie I have serious plans for my 02 you'll just have to wait and see first hand!

[TGilb2007]

Nah thats where your wrong buddy I've had two deaths around me recently and your sitting here talking about wishing us dead in a fire, unless you want my foot real far up your ass i'd stay clear of me and you can't make me cry over anything car related.I f your even trying to talk up that srt-4 come find me the start of this summer i'll shame the living **** out of you or any Srt-4 owner i'm not one to make things up or lie I have serious plans for my 02 you'll just have to wait and see first hand!

And the internet tough guy comes out........


How about this.... stfu, hit the track this spring/summer, and PROVE to people that you know wtf you are doing.

And as for stating if your car is the end all to cars.... its not WHAT you are saying, but HOW you are saying things.

[ndubz]

Before i make you look like a complete ****ing idiot. Your car stock cant even beat a SS or SRT. And i have been MANY of STi's And Evos stock of course but i have because im the better driver 90% of the time. So maybe you just raced a couple of high schoolers who have no idea what they are doing.

Second, what makes american cars so unreliable. Lets see saturns are american and they are reliable. Any "Domestic" car is reliable as long as it is taken care of, but of course you have the I HAZ A SUBIE THEREFORE IM INVICABLEEEZZZZ mentality.

**** ALL CARS THAT AERNT DOMESTIC. YOUR ALL GARBAGE I HOPE YOU ALL DIE IN FIRES.

Whoa bro, chill out there. He doesnt think his car is Gods gift to automobiles. I DOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Lay off on my fellow subie por favor. What He says is somewhat true, many American cars are unreliable. Maybe not ur SRT4, but that is hardly representative of most American cars. And BTW saturns suck ass in both reliability and performance. Dont be pickin on the wrx owners just cuz they disagree with ur view of US cars. Ur Srt 4 is great, it was a great little car, real shame that they turned it GAY with the Caliber, What a POS. Therefore the Cobalt turbo is the "new" Srt 4, from a culture perspective.

Bugeye guy never claimed his car was "invincible". So dont put words in his mouth plz thank you. But for real, The tubo boxer 4 was designed by God himself so please show some DAMN RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[BugEyeGuy]

You do realize that nearly ALL the Japanese and German car companies..... are assembling their cars in the US, right????

No kidding we do a lot of things here now rather than wasting money on all the over seas expenses, All the Japanese car manufacturers still have better engineering and better parts, as do most, keyword most, German manufacturers as well.

[Elliott18t]

Whoa bro, chill out there. He doesnt think his car is Gods gift to automobiles. I DOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Lay off on my fellow subie por favor. What He says is somewhat true, many American cars are unreliable. Maybe not ur SRT4, but that is hardly representative of most American cars. And BTW saturns suck ass in both reliability and performance. Dont be pickin on the wrx owners just cuz they disagree with ur view of US cars. Ur Srt 4 is great, it was a great little car, real shame that they turned it GAY with the Caliber, What a POS. Therefore the Cobalt turbo is the "new" Srt 4, from a culture perspective.

Bugeye guy never claimed his car was "invincible". So dont put words in his mouth plz thank you. But for real, The tubo boxer 4 was designed by God himself so please show some DAMN RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

I believe it was the 1.8T that was claimed as the "never lose edition", thank you :roll::mrgreen:

[BugEyeGuy]

Whoa bro, chill out there. He doesnt think his car is Gods gift to automobiles. I DOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Lay off on my fellow subie por favor. What He says is somewhat true, many American cars are unreliable. Maybe not ur SRT4, but that is hardly representative of most American cars. And BTW saturns suck ass in both reliability and performance. Dont be pickin on the wrx owners just cuz they disagree with ur view of US cars. Ur Srt 4 is great, it was a great little car, real shame that they turned it GAY with the Caliber, What a POS. Therefore the Cobalt turbo is the "new" Srt 4, from a culture perspective.

Bugeye guy never claimed his car was "invincible". So dont put words in his mouth plz thank you. But for real, The tubo boxer 4 was designed by God himself so please show some DAMN RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

actually dude we do have a more reliable car i've read it everywhere and heard it first hand Dodge is not reliable and that certainly includes his neon!:rotfl:

[OMGz Turbo]

Dude does your vagina hurt?? Did i hit a tough spot, your on the internet acting tough. Your gay. Give up. Your car is gonna catch on fire. I hope it blows up.

WAHHHHH WAhhh Wahhhhh Thats all i hear. At first i was being sarcastic, But now im gonna be a douche bag. **** YOU AND YOUR POS THAT IS EXTREMELY SLOW

[ndubz]

Yo everyone chill on bugeye guy for real. he'd deff shove that WRX up that Neons ass..............w/o lube. so get ready OMGz T LOL

Im not gonna talk ish to my bro with the LGT tho.

Its not how u stand by ur car, its how u race ur car.......U better learn that.

[OMGz Turbo]

His POS couldnt catch me if i left the line in 3rd gear and granny shifted.

[TGilb2007]

Yo everyone chill on bugeye guy for real. he'd deff shove that WRX up that Neons ass..............w/o lube. so get ready OMGz T LOL

Im not gonna talk ish to my bro with the LGT tho.

Its not how u stand by ur car, its how u race ur car.......U better learn that.

You cannot be serious????? :bigeek:

[BugEyeGuy]

See whats funny about these kids is the fact they ASSUME I think i'm god because I bought a subaru, when in fact yes your right I do love my car and i'm damn glad I saved the money and bought it, I think kids that come out saying **** like that when I never even said I was king are in fact just simply jealous. Like I already stated Tgilb2007 I don't make things up and lie to better my image I joined this site because I do like cars, I like my car and thats why I have BIG plans for it so anyone like you that starts talking **** is the real fool here again I'll prove my **** this summer hold me to it man!

[ndubz]

Hey guys I love torque steer too.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa11/andersb7/CarAccident_2.jpg

[OMGz Turbo]

Look at all the subaru fan boys jumping in.

All i hear is ... Wahhhhh Wahhhh Wahhhh i get beat by a neon..Wahhh Wahhh Wahhh

[Elliott18t]

http://members.arstechnica.com/x/freeman/homer-eating-popcorn-small-c7873.jpg

[ndubz]

See whats funny about these kids is the fact they ASSUME I think i'm god because I bought a subaru, when in fact yes your right I do love my car and i'm damn glad I saved the money and bought it, I think kids that come out saying **** like that when I never even said I was king are in fact just simply jealous. Like I already stated Tgilb2007 I don't make things up and lie to better my image I joined this site because I do like cars, I like my car and thats why I have BIG plans for it so anyone like you that starts talking **** is the real fool here again I'll prove my **** this summer hold me to it man!

Correction. Ur not God, but God did send our cars directly from heaven. Hey race Neon boy in the rain. then we'll see what happens LOL

FWD has its limits.

Hey Lets have a car gang war LOL

[TGilb2007]

See whats funny about these kids is the fact they ASSUME I think i'm god because I bought a subaru, when in fact yes your right I do love my car and i'm damn glad I saved the money and bought it, I think kids that come out saying **** like that when I never even said I was king are in fact just simply jealous. Like I already stated Tgilb2007 I don't make things up and lie to better my image I joined this site because I do like cars, I like my car and thats why I have BIG plans for it so anyone like you that starts talking **** is the real fool here again I'll prove my **** this summer hold me to it man!

I am not accusing you of making things up on TST, or lying to get people to like your car.... or whatever the case. If you have big plans, go for it. Paid for the car yourself, awesome.

You say you like cars, then basically try to **** on anything that is American (or, an American company at this point), and Honda (as noted in your sig)... So, now, you like CERTAIN cars. Ok, cool. If you don't like something, either stfu, or offer us something better, or an alternative.

Basically, in short, either try to open your mind some to something different, or gtfo.

[TGilb2007]

Look at all the subaru fan boys jumping in.

All i hear is ... Wahhhhh Wahhhh Wahhhh i get beat by a neon..Wahhh Wahhh Wahhh

Only certain ones. I somehow got the bastard child from Subaru.

[ndubz]

Look at all the subaru fan boys jumping in.

All i hear is ... Wahhhhh Wahhhh Wahhhh i get beat by a neon..Wahhh Wahhh Wahhh

U ya ok, Idk wht ur smoking. good luck with that assumption lol.

Ive got my fire proof suit on. So um good luck with ur previous statement.

All I herd from ur previous post was. U cring about how u drive a Neon and not a WRX. Thats what I heard, Idk about the rest of u. LOL

[Elliott18t]

mustangs handle fairly decent for a american muscle car...