Fiat and Chrysler join up...

[OPZ]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7839542.stm

Wonder what we'll see out of this...

[ndubz]

That means ferrari engineered parts for Chrysler performance cars. Bye bye vette and Mustang.

[SpEcRv9]

That means ferrari engineered parts for Chrysler performance cars. Bye bye vette and Mustang.

lol wut?

[Got Insulin?]

That means ferrari engineered parts for Chrysler performance cars. Bye bye vette and Mustang.

Lotus designed the 420a head in the non-turbo Talon, think again.:bigeek:

[twastheglow]

That means ferrari engineered parts for Chrysler performance cars. Bye bye vette and Mustang.

:bigeek: I don't even have words...

[Elliott18t]

That means ferrari engineered parts for Chrysler performance cars. Bye bye vette and Mustang.

wow, seriously?

just because its italian? :banned:

I don't expect much at all from this merger if anything.

[SpEcRv9]

lol @ chrysler performance cars.

im sure we'll see nothing from this...

[ndubz]

Its absolutely possible. Fiat owns Ferrari and all other major italian makes. Maseratis have ferrari parts, as do the new performance Alfa Romeos. A merger here would combine their resources. Fiat is most likely going to return to the US using chrysler for a dealer network. New performance chryslers will most likely see ferrari parts as Ferrari is Fiats resource for performance. Not sure to what extent, but it is likely. SRT models will be getting alot better because of it.

[Elliott18t]

I will only be happy if we get these... lol

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiat/Panda/fiat_panda_1.jpg

[Turbo s60R]

i thought the reason for the merger was to introduce a mini style market to the united states under chrysler? plus chrysler stock being some what worthless it was an easy buy for fiat to own half of another well established car company

[CleanNeon98]

Its absolutely possible. Fiat owns Ferrari and all other major italian makes. Maseratis have ferrari parts, as do the new performance Alfa Romeos. A merger here would combine their resources. Fiat is most likely going to return to the US using chrysler for a dealer network. New performance chryslers will most likely see ferrari parts as Ferrari is Fiats resource for performance. Not sure to what extent, but it is likely. SRT models will be getting alot better because of it.
I wouldn't dream about it. Ferrari has more respect for themselves than to put their parts into cars for a dying company like Chrysler.

[ndubz]

There are many reasons for it. God I hope we Get the Abarth SS. But it should be a good thing, no doubt.

But chrysler may not be dying for long. a few good moves and theyre back

[Buster]

thats funny since alfa just got pushed back again coming to america. Chrysler isnt going to gain any ground on GM and ford by having a large italian firm back them slightly, all you are going to see is chysler keep putting out **** and owing someone else again. Fiat isnt going to be engineering anything for them, its a financial crutch to keep them alive just a little longer.

[CleanNeon98]

How will they come back? What cars do they really have that are still desirable in the eyes of the public? The sebring? Dream on. Town and Country? Buy a Dodge Caravan and save money. At least Ford has the Mustang and F150, cars that will always sell, and GM has the Corvette, the new line of Pontiac performance cars, the Sky/Solstice roadsters, etc. What does Chrysler have as their hot seller? The Sebring Convertible? And I hardly see any on the road.

They are going to die, it's just a matter of time.

[Elliott18t]

How will they come back? What cars do they really have that are still desirable in the eyes of the public? The sebring? Dream on. Town and Country? Buy a Dodge Caravan and save money. At least Ford has the Mustang and F150, cars that will always sell, and GM has the Corvette, the new line of Pontiac performance cars, the Sky/Solstice roadsters, etc. What does Chrysler have as their hot seller? The Sebring Convertible? And I hardly see any on the road.

They are going to die, it's just a matter of time.

I have a sebring as a rental... I hate it. :mad:

the old LXi was really nice though, imo.. mom had one.. was kinda low for stock imo since the stupd valance thing broke on speed bumps..

I mean like 1997.
http://interlinkmedia.homenetinc.com/6327/15414/W20752.jpg

it had the 2.5L mistubishi motor. same block as the 3000gt motor but not a 3.0L

[CleanNeon98]

Yea thats back when it was Diamler-Benz, and I think those sebrings rode so well becuase of that. Maybe Chrysler and Fiat will share parts, but definately not Chrysler and Ferrari.

VW owns Audi and Lamborghini for example. Do you see Lambo parts on a VW? No. But the Gallardo does have some Audi bits, like the Nav unit is lifted from an Audi, some of the switches and buttons in the car are from an audi, etc.

Pictures:

Gallardo LP560 center console
http://autoreview.belproject.com/media/1/20080305-lamborghini-gallardo-lp560-4-interior-center-console.jpg

A6 interior (similar HVAC controls)
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/TorqueOmata2169.jpg

A4 interior (navigation unit)
http://pictures.dealer.com/rte611/1225b0b54046381e012beeec9587e2da.jpg

[poolmike]

Bring me back my '79 Spider with 2000cc block, tricked 1600cc head with Kent Cams, dual Weber Sidedrafts....that was a fun ride.

ok, back to 2009. I think it is a good move. Hopefully they can work some magic and get Chrysler back on track. Maybe they can build up some rally cars or something different. Who knows, it is worth a shot.

[poolmike]

I wish I had some money. I would buy Jeep and make them fun again.

[ndubz]

Not immediately. But, if chrysler can stay alive and them and Fiat wind up in a good business relationship. Then I promise u. The new chrysler SRT models will have some ferrari parts. They have to survive the short term first though.

[CleanNeon98]

Not immediately. But, if chrysler can stay alive and them and Fiat wind up in a good business relationship. Then I promise u. The new chrysler SRT models will have some ferrari parts. They have to survive the short term first though.
Oh, well if you promise it, it must be true. Can't wait! :roll:

[SpEcRv9]

Not immediately. But, if chrysler can stay alive and them and Fiat wind up in a good business relationship. Then I promise u. The new chrysler SRT models will have some ferrari parts. They have to survive the short term first though.

chrysler has 1 srt model and used to have 2.. no new chrysler will have ferrari parts especially the srt model which uses a HEMI, what possible ferrari parts could they use that would fit (and be useful) in a 300?...I can not believe you actually seriously believe that in your head, theyd use ferrari parts..

[CleanNeon98]

And imagine the price of a Chrysler with Ferrari parts, you really mean to tell me that someone would have a hard time deciding between a Porsche and a Chrysler....are you serious dude, do you hear what comes out of your mouth?

[ndubz]

When I talk about "chrysler" in this thread, I mean Chrysler Corp. not the exact make. fyi in case u didnt know that stuff SpecRv9. please refrain from being A-holes, b/c right now i dont feel like being one. lets just have a normal discussion here. thanks

Look its not that hard to imagine. Chrysler CORP and Fiat form ties now. They limp Chrysler back to health. They will need to bring out all new stuff as well as remake all the good old stuff. They will eventually make performance versions of these new cars. Fiat has a very strong performance resource that is, the one...... the only.........Ferrari.

It is very reasonable to assume they will use ferrari to develop aspects of the new performance line. Not to say that it will be a ferrari, or that they are gonna drop a 599 V12 into a 300C. But im saying that they will have a hand in development along with Mopar. Think of how good these cars could be. A mix of american and italian performance cars. It should be epic. But, chrysler has to survive first. And the relationship b/w them and Fiat will probably start in the small car sector and grow from there. Im talking about the future here not the current or immediate situation. They have many obstacles to go first but I believe they have a good chance to get through this.

[CleanNeon98]

Know what, I'm done with you, you make no sense and hold no valid arguments.

Last question. VW owns Lambo. Now tell me, how many VWs, Performance or otherwise, use Lamborghini parts? Can you answer that? Or are you going to go off topic and complain about how we are wrong and you are right, again.

[ndubz]

VWs dont use lambo stuff. But Audis do. The V10 in the RS6, S6, S8, and R8 are directly sourced from lamborghini. I dont see how i dont make sense here. plz tell me why not and i will clarify.

My bet is that Chrysler in the future will become more of a legit luxury car maker. More like BMW Merc, Audi, Jaguar, Lexus, etc.

This is all market stuff, if u want me to explain myself better i will be happy to.

[CleanNeon98]

Shows what you know, the R8 is an Audi 4.2L V8, not the Lamborghini 5.4L V10 engine that's in the S/RS6 and S8.

[ndubz]

Okay dude, like i said. I dont wanna be an A-hole. So im gonna try and be nice to u here.

Dont call ppl stupid unless u know ur informed. Here is the link to the recently unveiled R8 V10 http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Audi/2010/R8_V10/

The new Gallardo LP-560 has the same 5.2 Liter V-10 as the other audis have, just with more power.

U all think Im an idiot, but it appears i know more than u in many areas. I will be happy to inform u if u wish. And i will be happy to explain anything I say.

[4N2NR]

Quoting CNN Business here:

"On Tuesday, the companies announced the basic terms of a tentative "global strategic alliance": Fiat, Italy's largest automaker, will provide no cash of its own to the struggling American automaker. Instead, in exchange for a 35% equity stake, Fiat will provide Chrysler with "technology," including the engineering underlying some of Fiat's small cars, which have proven popular in Europe."

"For its part, Chrysler has promised to assist Fiat with bringing its brands to the U.S. market. Only Ferrari and Maserati are currently sold here and Fiat has long wanted to bring the luxury Alfa Romeo name back to the U.S.

In addition to those brands and the mass-market Fiat brand, the Italian carmaker also makes and sells the Lancia brand."

It looks as if at first they will assist each other with access to markets. We will have to wait and see what "technology" is shared and how it gets put to use.

[CleanNeon98]

Okay dude, like i said. I dont wanna be an A-hole. So im gonna try and be nice to u here.

Dont call ppl stupid unless u know ur informed. Here is the link to the recently unveiled R8 V10 http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Audi/2010/R8_V10/

The new Gallardo LP-560 has the same 5.2 Liter V-10 as the other audis have, just with more power.

U all think Im an idiot, but it appears i know more than u in many areas. I will be happy to inform u if u wish. And i will be happy to explain anything I say.
If I go to the Audi dealer tomorrow, the R8 offered for sale will have a V8. That means the R8 HAS a V8, it WILL HAVE a V10, in the FUTURE!

:banned::banned::banned:

[ndubz]

Not exactly, they will still make the V8 and the V10 will be the top model of the R8 line. Either way. Ur latest arguement means nothing at all to my original point about Fiat and chrysler. And the strong possibility of ferrari getting involved. And if ur gonna try and shut someone down, u should be sure that ur more informed than the person ur insulting. Otherwise u have to make stupid irrelevant comment to try and save face.

Now do u have any more questions that pertain to this topic? i dont want to start yet another pissing match.

[CleanNeon98]

Not exactly, they will still make the V8 and the V10 will be the top model of the R8 line. Either way. Ur latest arguement means nothing at all to my original point about Fiat and chrysler. And the strong possibility of ferrari getting involved. And if ur gonna try and shut someone down, u should be sure that ur more informed than the person ur insulting. Otherwise u have to make stupid irrelevant comment to try and save face.

Now do u have any more questions that pertain to this topic? i dont want to start yet another pissing match.
Oh yes, I can't wait to see that happen :roll:.

[GOULET]

Every time I read anything ndubz has written, I am reminded of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA

[CleanNeon98]

Every time I read anything ndubz has written, I am reminded of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA
Yes, YES, OH GOD YES!!!

[ndubz]

Goulet. I've never seen u say anything worth hearing. All u do is throw insults. People who just throw insults and don't make any legit points tend to be the ones who are too stupid to understand most things. And ya I think u fit that bill. If u think I'm wrong then let's hear a ****ing reason why. But I don't think ur smart enough to have much of an opposite opinion because it's obvious u don't know **** about cars or the industry . So stfu biatch

[GOULET]

Goulet. I've never seen u say anything worth hearing. All u do is throw insults. People who just throw insults and don't make any legit points tend to be the ones who are too stupid to understand most things. And ya I think u fit that bill. If u think I'm wrong then let's hear a ****ing reason why. But I don't think ur smart enough to have much of an opposite opinion because it's obvious u don't know **** about cars or the industry . So stfu biatch

ahahahahaha u mad?

Of course you've never heard me say anything worth hearing because I type all of my responses, so you would have to have read them.

If you've noticed I only make fun of you basically because you're redundant and you just ramble on. I have nothing to say about fiat and Chrysler teaming up because quite frankly I dont give a ****. I didnt even read you're responses in this thread but I just thought it was a good place to post that video because I knew you were going to read this thread. Also, I do understand the things you post. First, I try to comprehend all of that babbling and rambling. Then, my head explodes and I put it back together. Finally, I make a simple response to your stupidity. To be honest, its all in good fun but most of it I mean.

Also, when it comes to cars I don't know everything or know how to do everything but Ive wrenched on most cars you would usually nut over. Everything from my personal cars to supras, porsches, skylines, evos, and other built cars. I'm probably more hands on, worked with and met more people in the industry then you have seen online or in a magazine.

[terrorcel]

ndubs why are you ruining this rather interesting conversation? I don't know you, AT ALL, so I'm not biased toward you but you talk some major nonsense. Ferrari will never produce parts for Chrystler, forget it.
Forget ferrari, but there are plenty of wonderful engines that can come from Fiat, Lancia, or even Alfa. Now lets get some small turbo awd cars in the US market :)

[ndubz]

Terrorcel, thank u for being civilized. I respect that u disagree with my statement. But i would like to know why u think that there will never be ferrari DNA in future performance cars from the Chrysler group if the business relations b/w them and Fiat continue. thank you

Goulet. Im happy u have alot of wrench time under ur belt. U no doubt know more than me about working on cars. But this conversation is about market stuff. So if u dont know, and/ or dont care, then please shut up. Terrorcel seemed to blame me for the argument here, but u are the one who was starting **** here so please just grow up and stop it. Because im interested in this topic and id like to see what ppl have to say about it. As for ur constant nagging me. U look like a ****ing moron. so please cut the ****. If it bugs u that i have alot to say or that I think highly of myself. I say this to u: Who are u to judge me when u dont know me at all? and i dont give a flying **** what u think about me. So with all due respect, go **** off. :finga:

Now if anyone has a legit counter point to my statement then id like to hear it. But if ur just gonna tell me im wrong b/c u cant fathom a simple idea like car companies using their own resources to make new products...Then dont say anything b/c it doesnt help this conversation or this forum. If ur gonna argue with someone over anything, u MUST be able to back up ur own point.

[OPZ]

I'm pretty sure at one point one of the Ferrari's were using the Hyundai Sonata tail lights...

now how in the hell did THAT one come about?


But anyways, back on topic. Apparently Fiat is deff ganna use Chrysler as a platform to get back in the US with a full model line up...that should be cool to see...more smaller, turbo, possibly diesel cars! woo!

[ndubz]

Ok OPZ. im serious here, Idk if u were joking about the taillights or not, but if u werent could u tell me which one. Because i did not know that.

I did know that much of the current and previous gen. tibroun design was taken from the Ferrari 456.

But ya, I really hope we get the Abarth SS. Because I really want to drive one sometime.

[Protege v2.5]

more like Ferrari will have Chrysler parts in them. Look what happened to Mercedes with the Daimler-Chrysler merger. This will only hurt Fiat

edit: never mind I just read 4N2NR's post

[GOULET]

Terrorcel, thank u for being civilized. I respect that u disagree with my statement. But i would like to know why u think that there will never be ferrari DNA in future performance cars from the Chrysler group if the business relations b/w them and Fiat continue. thank you

Goulet. Im happy u have alot of wrench time under ur belt. U no doubt know more than me about working on cars. But this conversation is about market stuff. So if u dont know, and/ or dont care, then please shut up. Terrorcel seemed to blame me for the argument here, but u are the one who was starting **** here so please just grow up and stop it. Because im interested in this topic and id like to see what ppl have to say about it. As for ur constant nagging me. U look like a ****ing moron. so please cut the ****. If it bugs u that i have alot to say or that I think highly of myself. I say this to u: Who are u to judge me when u dont know me at all? and i dont give a flying **** what u think about me. So with all due respect, go **** off. :finga:

Now if anyone has a legit counter point to my statement then id like to hear it. But if ur just gonna tell me im wrong b/c u cant fathom a simple idea like car companies using their own resources to make new products...Then dont say anything b/c it doesnt help this conversation or this forum. If ur gonna argue with someone over anything, u MUST be able to back up ur own point.



All right I'll squash this here, Im not judging you. I dont like the **** you say, so I say something about it. I'm not the only one. It may have nothing to do with the topic but its about what you say most of the time and how you structure it. You're the one that just made an assumption about me and judged my capability and knowledge of cars. Most importantly I like bustin balls too. If you really dont care then dont say anything. So I'll leave it at that, if you're still broken hearted; We can hug it out lol

[ndubz]

All right I'll squash this here, Im not judging you. I dont like the **** you say, so I say something about it. I'm not the only one. It may have nothing to do with the topic but its about what you say most of the time and how you structure it. You're the one that just made an assumption about me and judged my capability and knowledge of cars. Most importantly I like bustin balls too. If you really dont care then dont say anything. So I'll leave it at that, if you're still broken hearted; We can hug it out lol

Bro, I bust balls all the time. I dont have issues with that. But if ur gonna just go and say stupid **** all the time to me, well newsflash dude, I dont know u. this is actually the first time weve legit talked even on TST. Cleanneon ive at least me in real life, and Ive had some legit non argument convo's with him. Not sayin i really know him either, but at least just a little. I dont even know ur name. I dont have a problem with messing with ppl or being messed with. But ive made some legit points here, and if u wanna **** with me thats fine, but at least add something to the contrary of my point to the conversation. I wouldnt mind ur crap if ud at least make a legit point or 2 about what the conversation is about, but ur just Trolling. Ya i do it to sometimes and ya its fun, but i at least add to the convo a bit. Unless the thread is just a BS thread to begin with like the avatar rating thread.

And what do u mean by my "structure"?

Also, its fine if u call me an idiot, but u have to prove me wrong about something. saying it just makes u look like a jackass. Like when Miata man tried to pwn me saying that audi R8s only have V8s, and i pulled out the link for the R8 V10. I could have **** all over him for that but i chose to control myself a bit.

[CleanNeon98]

Bro, I bust balls all the time. I dont have issues with that. But if ur gonna just go and say stupid **** all the time to me, well newsflash dude, I dont know u. this is actually the first time weve legit talked even on TST. Cleanneon ive at least me in real life, and Ive had some legit non argument convo's with him. Not sayin i really know him either, but at least just a little. I dont even know ur name. I dont have a problem with messing with ppl or being messed with. But ive made some legit points here, and if u wanna **** with me thats fine, but at least add something to the contrary of my point to the conversation. I wouldnt mind ur crap if ud at least make a legit point or 2 about what the conversation is about, but ur just Trolling. Ya i do it to sometimes and ya its fun, but i at least add to the convo a bit. Unless the thread is just a BS thread to begin with like the avatar rating thread.

And what do u mean by my "structure"?

Also, its fine if u call me an idiot, but u have to prove me wrong about something. saying it just makes u look like a jackass. Like when Miata man tried to pwn me saying that audi R8s only have V8s, and i pulled out the link for the R8 V10. I could have **** all over him for that but i chose to control myself a bit.
It doesn't have a V10, it's going to have a V10...do you not understand this? Future models do not respresent current models, and the current model has Audi's own 4.2 V8! Just :banned::banned::banned:

[OPZ]

Ok OPZ. im serious here, Idk if u were joking about the taillights or not, but if u werent could u tell me which one. Because i did not know that.

I did know that much of the current and previous gen. tibroun design was taken from the Ferrari 456.

But ya, I really hope we get the Abarth SS. Because I really want to drive one sometime.

Maybe it wasn't Ferrari, but someone was using the older Sonata tail lights.

[ndubz]

W/e ppl will have them soon in 09. Ur still wrong. B/c that lambo V10 is in the R8 and a bunch of other models. Ur concentration on stupid non important details that have nothing to do with the point is just further proof that I am correct in my main point. Its been in the S6 and S8 for two years already, so u are just wrong absolutely.

So carry on with ur long lost argument if u are that dense. :thumbup:

[CleanNeon98]

And you can continiue arguing, and we will keep laughing like before. Have fun.

[Elliott18t]

http://www.autoobserver.com/2009/01/commentary-fiat-chrysler-link-is-nice-idea-but-futile-without-money.html

and it looks like peugot might be joining the picture too o_0

http://www.autoobserver.com/2009/01/threesome-fiat-looks-to-link-with-peugeot-as-well-as-chrysler-reports-say.html

[ndubz]

O god no, we DONT need the french :bigeek:

[Elliott18t]

yes we do.. so renault can join and i can get a clio v6 :D

[Turborico1979]

Fiat sux and so does chrysler that why I am not excited at all

[Turbo s60R]

Yea thats back when it was Diamler-Benz, and I think those sebrings rode so well becuase of that. Maybe Chrysler and Fiat will share parts, but definately not Chrysler and Ferrari.

VW owns Audi and Lamborghini for example. Do you see Lambo parts on a VW? No. But the Gallardo does have some Audi bits, like the Nav unit is lifted from an Audi, some of the switches and buttons in the car are from an audi, etc.



the 2.5l 5 cyl rabbit uses a lambo intake manifold........

[CleanNeon98]

the 2.5l 5 cyl rabbit uses a lambo intake manifold........
LOL, seriously?

[92dxman]

Yep that part about the Lambo intake manifold in the 2.5 motor is correct. As long as the regular 500, Abarth version and the Panda Sport make it to these shores, i'd be a happy camper! The Lancia Fulvia would be nice too!

[Elliott18t]

lancia delta :D

[CleanNeon98]

Haha, that's pretty cool.

[ndubz]

yes we do.. so renault can join and i can get a clio v6 :D

I concur. The Clio is ftw. Just wish it were Renault not pegeuot

[CleanNeon98]

I concur. The Clio is ftw. Just wish it were Renault not pegeuot
We already have Renault, they are incorporated with Nissan.

[ndubz]

We already have Renault, they are incorporated with Nissan.

O ****!!!! that makes so much sense now. Ive always thought a few Nissans looked like Renaults, i just figured they were borrowing design Q's. thanks for the info

[jspek]

the only car i ever wanted from the euro market was/is still this...
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7977/gabatescortcos1lj9.jpg

i doubt anything performance oriented from chrysler will come out of this.

[CleanNeon98]

O ****!!!! that makes so much sense now. Ive always thought a few Nissans looked like Renaults, i just figured they were borrowing design Q's. thanks for the info
And the VQ35 from the 350Z is the same as the 3.5L used in the Clio Sport v6, but there it's mid mounted.

[Elliott18t]

And the VQ35 from the 350Z is the same as the 3.5L used in the Clio Sport v6, but there it's mid mounted.

i think id rather have the clio sport.. probably just because i love hatchbacks lol.

[ndubz]

Nice didnt know that. Ima have to check that out. Thanks, unless this is like the Exhaust bearing thing. LOL

[CleanNeon98]

Nice didnt know that. Ima have to check that out. Thanks, unless this is like the Exhaust bearing thing. LOL
You still haven't checked them?

[Elliott18t]

dont forget blinker fluid

[ndubz]

Nah, Ive been busy trying to find whats wrong with my Kanooder Valve. Its making a weird noise. But Idk what it is. Can someone tell me?

[Ender81]

I can haz Fiat 500 Abarth?
http://www.autovscar.com/mkportal/modules/gallery/album/a_408.jpg

[ndubz]

That car must be good. Even Jeremy Clarkson liked it.

But i cant wait till we get them. Im excited. :)

[rickeo]

If we get a 500 clone (let alone an SS) this merger will have been worth it.

[Ender81]

Yeah I am really desperate to at least have the opportnity to drive one. I think this may end up bringing more people in to the Chrysler dealerships which is never bad.

[Elliott18t]

then you guys might be interested in this!

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2009/112_0901_chrysler_fiat_500/index.html

http://image.motortrend.com/f/photo_gallery/17233341+pheader/112_0901_01l+Fiat_500+front_three_quarters_view.jp g

Hot on the heels of the Chrysler-Fiat alliance announcement comes word that Chrysler is considering a crash program to fast track the Fiat 500 for sale in the U.S. If Chrysler gives the project the green light, it would be here in "well under 18 months," a source says. Set aside Fiat Group's clinic to determine whether it should bring in the 500 or the Alfa Romeo MiTo, the plan is to get the 500 into Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep dealers as soon as possible as a traffic-builder.

If the Fiat 500 can reach our shores in time for the 2010 calendar year, it will compete with such other small- and green-car showroom draws as the 2011 Ford Fiesta and Chevrolet Volt. Apparently, the 500 would need a new bumper beam and front fascia to meet U.S. offset standards, and not much else. There is cost and time in receiving U.S. certification for any new car or truck to be sold here, so, no, it cannot be done "immediately." I'm told the car would be sold in the U.S. but perhaps not Canada, because Canadian standards are actually slightly tougher. They require front turn-signal lenses to survive a 5 mph bumper test without cracking because they often double as daytime running lights, required north of the 49th parallel.
.....

[twastheglow]

^ Wow!

[endlessmyk]

Nah, Ive been busy trying to find whats wrong with my Kanooder Valve. Its making a weird noise. But Idk what it is. Can someone tell me?

Probably the Caniculus Pin went, leading to Kanooder Valve failure.
You really don't know anything.


But even in the posts, it says they are going to help with technology in the smaller platforms... So I really doubt that means they're going to use ferrari parts in the bigger SRT models. (As if SRT-4 owners weren't bad enough... I could just imagine hearing them now, "Yo, my SRT4 was designed by Ferrari, it'll smoke anything on the street" lol)

Your rationale of defending this is the same as me saying that since Mitsubishi makes TVs, airplanes, etc... They're going to start making EVOs that have a 62" DLP in them that can fly.
Pipe dreams my friend...

[Ender81]

then you guys might be interested in this!

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2009/112_0901_chrysler_fiat_500/index.html

http://image.motortrend.com/f/photo_gallery/17233341+pheader/112_0901_01l+Fiat_500+front_three_quarters_view.jp g

That is fantastic to hear.

[ndubz]

Probably the Caniculus Pin went, leading to Kanooder Valve failure.
You really don't know anything.


But even in the posts, it says they are going to help with technology in the smaller platforms... So I really doubt that means they're going to use ferrari parts in the bigger SRT models. (As if SRT-4 owners weren't bad enough... I could just imagine hearing them now, "Yo, my SRT4 was designed by Ferrari, it'll smoke anything on the street" lol)

Your rationale of defending this is the same as me saying that since Mitsubishi makes TVs, airplanes, etc... They're going to start making EVOs that have a 62" DLP in them that can fly.
Pipe dreams my friend...

You really have no idea what I was talking about. do you.

Ive already had this argument. look at previous posts. and if u have any futher questions of my logic then ask them in a non douche manner. thanks

[Ender81]

Actually I think we will stay on topic from here on out and discuss the merger.

[ndubz]

Actually I think we will stay on topic from here on out and discuss the merger.

Thats what I was getting at. my point is related to the merger.

[endlessmyk]

Thats what I was getting at. my point is related to the merger.

Yeah, your point is they will probably start using ferrari parts in the SRT models.
I stated, NO. Even in the posts about the merger it says that Fiat will possibly lend technology to Chrysler for smaller platform vehicles. This makes sense. This is a good idea for Chrysler and Fiat.

I don't see, nor does anybody else (including the official people involved in the merger) any ferrari parts being used to help Chrysler in their performance market.

I presented a view that was opposite of yours, made a comparison to explain why your logic is faulted and that is a "douche manner"???
Dude, I feel sorry for you.

[ndubz]

Yeah, your point is they will probably start using ferrari parts in the SRT models.
I stated, NO. Even in the posts about the merger it says that Fiat will possibly lend technology to Chrysler for smaller platform vehicles. This makes sense. This is a good idea for Chrysler and Fiat.

I don't see, nor does anybody else (including the official people involved in the merger) any ferrari parts being used to help Chrysler in their performance market.

I presented a view that was opposite of yours, made a comparison to explain why your logic is faulted and that is a "douche manner"???
Dude, I feel sorry for you.

I hope that u are aware that Fiat owns Ferrari. And that performance cars from Alfa and Maserati (who fiat also owns) use ferrari made parts and ferrari technology. It makes sense to see that if they have continued relations with chrysler, then future chrysler models may very likely have ferrari DNA in them. This would not be immediate. They will start with the small cars and work their way up. U seem to have no foresight. I am not talking what is now, im talking about the future.

[SovXietday]

I hope that u are aware that Fiat owns Ferrari. And that performance cars from Alfa and Maserati (who fiat also owns) use ferrari made parts and ferrari technology. It makes sense to see that if they have continued relations with chrysler, then future chrysler models may very likely have ferrari DNA in them. This would not be immediate. They will start with the small cars and work their way up. U seem to have no foresight. I am not talking what is now, im talking about the future.

...why are you comparing Maserati and Alfa to Chrysler?!

Ferrari parts will not be in any future Chrylser cars. Just like Lambo parts are not in VWs. /Discussion.

[driftingrx5.7]

yes we do.. so renault can join and i can get a clio v6 :D

agreed! i would get one right away!

http://www.cplracing.co.uk/htmlarea/uploaded/CPL1(Small).jpg

but lets see what happens it should be interesting i actually owned a fiat a 79 x1/9 back in the day great little car :D

[ndubz]

...why are you comparing Maserati and Alfa to Chrysler?!

Ferrari parts will not be in any future Chrylser cars. Just like Lambo parts are not in VWs. /Discussion.

Did u read the discussion? Fiat owns Maserati and Alfa. And they will also soon own a big share of Chrysler. that is how they relate.

And u all seem to forget that Chrysler is technically a luxury brand. And dodge is the base brand. In other words, Dodge is like VW. Chrysler is like Audi. Even though Chrysler has been competing in the lower end of the luxury market. I foresee that they will move up market in the next few years and compete directly with Audi, BMW, and Mercedes. (Just like cadillac has in many ways) And Fyi many Audis have Lamborghini parts in them. (read back in the thread for more on that) ANd some VWs do share some elements with some lambos.

For the 'nth' time. this wont be immediate. it will be over time. Why is that sooo hard for some ppl to understand?

[endlessmyk]

I hope that u are aware that Fiat owns Ferrari. And that performance cars from Alfa and Maserati (who fiat also owns) use ferrari made parts and ferrari technology.

Yes, very aware of that. (I love the fact that you felt the need to state it several times throughout the thread to make yourself feel intelligent)

It makes sense to see that if they have continued relations with chrysler, then future chrysler models may very likely have ferrari DNA in them. This would not be immediate. They will start with the small cars and work their way up. U seem to have no foresight. I am not talking what is now, im talking about the future.

So, you're saying a Mopar/Ferrari combination for performance models?
Do you ever pause for a second before you hit "Submit Reply" to look at what you wrote?

Fiat is going to help keep Chrysler afloat. That is basically what is going on here. The tangent about Lambo parts being used in VW is irrelevant. VW is not a quickly plummeting company trying to get bail outs. If by some miracle, Chrysler can pull themselves out of the wreckage they call a company, start producing the best "American" luxury cars, rise to the top of the Big 3, then maybe... MAYBE around 2025 we'd see a Ferrari manifold or something on them.
It's not that everyone is lacking foresight except for you, it's just that everyone can see the real picture. That's why I go back to my original statement: Pipe Dream.


That's all the more I'm saying about this. I know you're going to keep believing that what you think is true and that one day you'll be jerking it in a Ferrari-powered Chrysler 300... but seriously, your posts through this whole thread have given me a headache. While it may be a rational thing to happen when a strong company merges with another strong company, this is not the case here. Sorry your pipe dreams are shattered.

[DropTopChevy]

Did u read the discussion? Fiat owns Maserati and Alfa. And they will also soon own a big share of Chrysler. that is how they relate.

And u all seem to forget that Chrysler is technically a luxury brand. And dodge is the base brand. In other words, Dodge is like VW. Chrysler is like Audi. Even though Chrysler has been competing in the lower end of the luxury market. I foresee that they will move up market in the next few years and compete directly with Audi, BMW, and Mercedes. (Just like cadillac has in many ways) And Fyi many Audis have Lamborghini parts in them. (read back in the thread for more on that) ANd some VWs do share some elements with some lambos.

For the 'nth' time. this wont be immediate. it will be over time. Why is that sooo hard for some ppl to understand?

I didn't know you were psychic?

[92dxman]

the only car i ever wanted from the euro market was/is still this...
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7977/gabatescortcos1lj9.jpg

i doubt anything performance oriented from chrysler will come out of this.



Those are monsters! I've seen a couple of those in person in rally form. If you really really look hard enough, sometimes rally teams sell them off..

[ndubz]

I didn't know you were psychic?

I am.........And when u read this, u need to get out of ur house IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stillen GLE]

I am.........And when u read this, u need to get out of ur house IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what are you gonna blow up his house! :bigeek::eek::cry:

[ndubz]

No but he just needs to get out Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!