TST's fixation with drag racing, why?

[ndubz]

It just seems that whenever we talk about a car as being fast or not, the first thing ppl do is say, "well it does the 1/4 mile in XX.XX at XXXmph". Now this is fine if ur talking about a drag racing car, but if ur talking about like ad elise or an audi S4. Then the 1/4 mile does not define them. The quarter only matters for drag racing cars. And i think its hilarious that alot of ppl with STis, evos, m3s, etc. Are so fixated on drag racing. Muscle car guys yes, that is the purpose of one. But the others, No. The 1/4 mile doesnt mean **** to a rally car, or to a car that was made for the Nurburgring. So why cant ppl see this. Cuz it really makes me wonder how much some ppl know about cars. Ad I laugh because for like an elise, the 1/4 mile is pointless. Heres an example. If a guy with a mustang claims to have defeated a Ferrari F430. Id ask him how. If he said that he beat it in a 1/4 mile drag race, then id tell him he is only 1/3 of the way to beating the ferrari. The F430 is designed to go around the racetrack. Road courses like Fiorano, NJMP, Mugello, etc. So if his mustang can beat the F430 around tracks like those, then it can be said that he has defeated the F430. Different cars are designed for different things. So if u cant beat a car at what it is made for, then u havent won ****. Id like to see a drag spec mustang with 800whp even come close to beating a lotus Exige around a track like road atlanta. At the same time the exige has no chance if it were a straight line race.

So why does everyone look at all cars as if they were dragsters? because that is a very simplistic way to see cars.

[ASIAN JUL]

Considering there's no real objective test to measure every car and every aspect of every car comprehensively, drag racing is just a part of deciding what a car is capable of.

[phate1229]

Because it's easy for just about everybody here to get to the strip at least once.

[drifty240]

its just a standard of measurment that most people know.... as for who races who in a drag race, if you race heads up and lose you lose. You chose to race a 1/4 mile, stop crying about my car would be faster on a track or in the rain. If your talking about what car is better overall that is diffrent.

oh and for the comment about rally cars not caring about 1/4 mile times. what are you talking about , what form of motorsport does not care about acceleration :(

[OMGz Turbo]

Not all "race tracks" or road courses ill say are created equal so you cant use that as a form of measurement. People consider the 1/4 a way to know exactly what kind of power their machine makes. Its always the same distance, and works wonders

[SkinnyGT]

Yes different cars are designed for different things. One thing they all share in common is acceleration or the lack there of. What's a better way to compare vehicles than the 1/4? The 1/8th? lol

[Xavier]

Not to mention that the drag strip is a fairly cheap outlet as compared to a track day on an official road course.

Do you ever think things through before posting?

[jjm4life]

because most of tst lives their life a 1/4 mile at a time.

by the way s4 is still slow. elise owns.

[CleanNeon98]

You're just mad because you can't drive and your STi is still in the 16s.

[SovXietday]

Here we go again...

You know what's ironic about this post. I don't believe ndubz has ever driven on ANY track in his entire life.

[Kevin]

This is why you shouldn't be allowed to make threads lol


Drag racing is drag racing. so..

[GOULET]

more redundant and retarded posting by ndubz.

[bl@ckvr4]

It's simple. Drag racing = inexpensive. Track racing = expensive. Not to mention setting a car up to go quickly in a straight line is laughably easy. Just bolt up a giant turbo with support and you're done.

It's the complete opposite with track racing, where spring rates and camber needs to be adjusted perfectly in order to get a decent time. Most people don't have the resources to pursue track racing.

Track racing requires many different aspects of upgrades, from brakes to suspension. Track racing also puts considerable stress on just about every part of a car. After a hard 5 lap session, my brakes almost caught fire!

I used to think drag racing was all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips until I actually drove my car on a circuit. I can honestly say that I don't think I will ever participate in a 1/4 miles race ever again, unless of course I run into something fun on the street. Track racing is a phenomenal experience that is a lot more enjoyable and entertaining than drag racing will ever be.

[DC2.2GSR]

more redundant and retarded posting by ndubz.

yep, more of the same. every random thought gets made into a worthless thread.

[jdm free]

Not to mention that the drag strip is a fairly cheap outlet as compared to a track day on an official road course.

Do you ever think things through before posting?

You're just mad because you can't drive and your STi is still in the 16s.

Here we go again...

You know what's ironic about this post. I don't believe ndubz has ever driven on ANY track in his entire life.

This is why you shouldn't be allowed to make threads lol


Drag racing is drag racing. so..

more redundant and retarded posting by ndubz.

yep, more of the same. every random thought gets made into a worthless thread.


oooh burned.


1/4 mile is the easiest way to do things. but i rarely see what you are talking about

[Evolved]

This.

Because it's easy for just about everybody here to get to the strip at least once.

[MANLYmiata]

It just seems that whenever we talk about a car as being fast or not, the first thing ppl do is say, "well it does the 1/4 mile in XX.XX at XXXmph". Now this is fine if ur talking about a drag racing car, but if ur talking about like ad elise or an audi S4. Then the 1/4 mile does not define them. The quarter only matters for drag racing cars. And i think its hilarious that alot of ppl with STis, evos, m3s, etc. Are so fixated on drag racing. Muscle car guys yes, that is the purpose of one. But the others, No. The 1/4 mile doesnt mean **** to a rally car, or to a car that was made for the Nurburgring. So why cant ppl see this. Cuz it really makes me wonder how much some ppl know about cars. Ad I laugh because for like an elise, the 1/4 mile is pointless. Heres an example. If a guy with a mustang claims to have defeated a Ferrari F430. Id ask him how. If he said that he beat it in a 1/4 mile drag race, then id tell him he is only 1/3 of the way to beating the ferrari. The F430 is designed to go around the racetrack. Road courses like Fiorano, NJMP, Mugello, etc. So if his mustang can beat the F430 around tracks like those, then it can be said that he has defeated the F430. Different cars are designed for different things. So if u cant beat a car at what it is made for, then u havent won ****. Id like to see a drag spec mustang with 800whp even come close to beating a lotus Exige around a track like road atlanta. At the same time the exige has no chance if it were a straight line race.

So why does everyone look at all cars as if they were dragsters? because that is a very simplistic way to see cars.


same reason u have a fixation with chodes.

[sean3]

TSTs fixation? Unless you've been under a rock for the last many decades, drag racing has always been America's "fixation". You can go drag racing for 15 bucks a night. No 300+ dollar entrance fees, no weekend long events, no need to travel absurd distances to get to the track, no need to find a place to stay at, you don't have to worry about crashing your car (well, you still can...), you don't go through a full set of tires and brake pads in a night at the track, you don't need to worry about the massive amounts of stress OT racing puts on your suspension, braking system, and motor. Serious OT requires a dedicated car, trailer, and deep pockets.

Id like to see a drag spec mustang with 800whp even come close to beating a lotus Exige around a track like road atlanta.

An 800whp mustang would smack a factory exige around road atlanta with proper suspension setup. You don't need to be "drag spec" (whatever that means) to have an 800whp car.

[ndubz]

It's simple. Drag racing = inexpensive. Track racing = expensive. Not to mention setting a car up to go quickly in a straight line is laughably easy. Just bolt up a giant turbo with support and you're done.

It's the complete opposite with track racing, where spring rates and camber needs to be adjusted perfectly in order to get a decent time. Most people don't have the resources to pursue track racing.

Track racing requires many different aspects of upgrades, from brakes to suspension. Track racing also puts considerable stress on just about every part of a car. After a hard 5 lap session, my brakes almost caught fire!

I used to think drag racing was all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips until I actually drove my car on a circuit. I can honestly say that I don't think I will ever participate in a 1/4 miles race ever again, unless of course I run into something fun on the street. Track racing is a phenomenal experience that is a lot more enjoyable and entertaining than drag racing will ever be.

This is kinda what i mean here. I dont have a probem with the 1/4 races, except for thats how everyone judges every car regardless of what it is. Say theres a car like the 9ff GT9, a car that has 1000+ hp and runs something like 12s in the 1/4 mile, but it doesnt hit its stride until like 120mph or so, and then it goes like a bat outta hell all the way up to 250mph. Alot of ppl on this site would say that that car is slow because it runs 12s and has 1000hp. But 250 is definitely NOT slow.

I guess i just personally like to look at cars in a more "big picture" perspective. A car that can go fast in a straight line as well as corner is infinitely more impressive to me. But i do understand ur point about cost and drag racing being cheap and easy.

And Mr Redwheelz, u are correct, I have not been to the track yet other than to spectate. I plan on doing some racing school this summer. But maybe that has something to do with why i see this the way i do. The roads around me are quite interesting. Alot of very intense back roads that are alot of fun. It just makes going in a straight line over and over seem a bit boring after a while. Im know there are similar roads in PA. But maybe my opinion will change once i take my car on the strip a few times. you never know.

I was just wondering why draging is all i seem to hear about when the question of a car being fast or not comes up. But i guess we are still doing things the "american way" even though the range of cars has expanded.

And ManlyMiata Bitty, That was unnecessary and off topic. This thread is a question about drag racing. Not about what u were paid to stick in ur mouth this weekend. plz keep all that to urself. thanx :rotfl:

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

Of course the 1/4 mile isn't a measurement of every aspect of the car, but as far as quickness, it's a good way to measure. It won't tell how well a car handles, but if your car runs 11s it's not going to be slow.

[no-zoom2002]

"fast" isn't a very specific word, when it comes to a car, 8 sec 1/4 mile is fast, 250mph is fast, and a 7 min nur lap is fast, There isn't one car that can do all of those things, but each feet is fast. the drag is just a way for us to compare our cars, also top speed is as well, but other than meeting up at a track there is no way to compare 2 cars the way you want to.





on a side not every one post up your 1/4 mile times and speeds. I want to see who here has a "FAST" car. lol

[Im2Slow]

i love me some drag racing, but ive seen several supras, rx7's ,mustangs and 300zx's dominate both drag, and autox on the same build

[TurboTagTeam]

I'm seriously wondering what goes through the OP's head every time he hits the "new thread" button.

All your threads suck.

Your punctuation sucks.

And for the most part, your logic sucks.

[MANLYmiata]

nice d00d i care.
you couldnt even afford a blow job from me.

[ASIAN JUL]

I would like to see what you suggest is a better way of comprehensively testing every car in every aspect, in every ability, in a practical way. So far, I've seen you mention... Driving fast on a curvy road? Hmmm.

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

^ i think he means track driving, which is a good idea if you have the money to do it, which not everyone does. it's pretty pricey.

[JimH]

The way I see it...If say a 79 Cutlass 442 smokes a F430 in a drag race, then it rightfully beat that car. It obviously will not on a track involving turning.

But you have to remember, the F430 stepped on a drag racing territory. Therefore it was there to prove it is fast in a straight line. But it wasn't. You don't see the 442 showing up at road atlanta do you?

[Scapegoat]

nice d00d i care.
you couldnt even afford a blow job from me.

I just saved a bunch of money by switching to geico and then i went to H&R Block (i gots people) and got an advance on my tax refund... and its all coming your way

ndubz, don't be an idiot. drag racing is one of many ways to compare the performance of vehicles... and it just so happens to be the cheapest and least dangerous physical way of doing so.

I'd rather race you on a strip, than on a road course where you'd more than likely cause an accident...

[ASIAN JUL]

^ i think he means track driving, which is a good idea if you have the money to do it, which not everyone does. it's pretty pricey.

I meant this part of his post..
The roads around me are quite interesting. Alot of very intense back roads that are alot of fun. It just makes going in a straight line over and over seem a bit boring after a while. Im know there are similar roads in PA. But maybe my opinion will change once i take my car on the strip a few times. you never know.

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

I meant this part of his post..

that's called measuring HANDLING..no more of a measurement than a dragstrip lol.

[GOULET]

haha nobody likes you

[HickRocket1258]

TSTs fixation? Unless you've been under a rock for the last many decades, drag racing has always been America's "fixation". You can go drag racing for 15 bucks a night. No 300+ dollar entrance fees, no weekend long events, no need to travel absurd distances to get to the track, no need to find a place to stay at, you don't have to worry about crashing your car (well, you still can...), you don't go through a full set of tires and brake pads in a night at the track, you don't need to worry about the massive amounts of stress OT racing puts on your suspension, braking system, and motor. Serious OT requires a dedicated car, trailer, and deep pockets.



An 800whp mustang would smack a factory exige around road atlanta with proper suspension setup. You don't need to be "drag spec" (whatever that means) to have an 800whp car.

Haha you must not know the world of an every weekend drag racer and not the occassional test and tuner haha. Not making a big deal of it. But the long weekend costs can add for sure. I can easily spend about $150-200 on a normal weekend, if not running multiple classes.

But when your car is set up for road racing, it most likely won't be able to perform well on the drag strip and vise versa. TurboTagTeam says there are some that he knows can do both, but I'm just saying most of the time they aren't able to do both.

[CleanNeon98]

nice d00d i care.
you couldnt even afford a blow job from me.
Could I?
haha nobody likes you
:lol::lol: :banned:

[tr4c3]

Hahahaha

[Gordonfan24]

As a few people mentioned, it's the cheapest way for everyone to be able to compare cars. Anyone can go to the local drag strip for $15-45 one night and make some passes in almost any vehicle. My Grand Marquis isn't a race car, and I'm fully aware of that (despite my driving record), but I ran it just to see what it could do.
If accessing a skid pad and measuring equipment was as easy as accessing a drag strip, that would be more efficient, uniform way to assess handling in terms of cornering g's. (since not everyone has access to the same road course to compare lap times)

[JSpecV03]

accelartion or the lack there of, is a very IMPORTANT factor is all form of motor sports, either it be nascar, drag, rally, etc. the 1/4 mile track is a very cheap and effective way to measure a race cars or any car for that matter, acceleration, and then take those numbers and factor them into an equation to get whatever numbers they want. also it is fun to do on a friday night with your friends.

in other words:
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[ndubz]

The way I see it...If say a 79 Cutlass 442 smokes a F430 in a drag race, then it rightfully beat that car. It obviously will not on a track involving turning.

But you have to remember, the F430 stepped on a drag racing territory. Therefore it was there to prove it is fast in a straight line. But it wasn't. You don't see the 442 showing up at road atlanta do you?

Yes, this is exactly what I said before. Drag racing is fine, it is a fun and exciting form of racing. I just dont like to see it become the standard for EVERYTHING. yes, if a ferrari shows up on the strip, then it will be judged as a dragster and rightly so. Im talking more about just general car discussion. ppl will be talking about some car and certain ppl come in and say it is good or bad based on its drag time alone. Thats fine if it is a car built for drag racing, but if its a car that is built for other stuff, then it should be judged on what it is built to do. Its like comparing apples to oranges. Dont judge a mercedes S600 as drag car, b/c it is a luxury sedan. It has a big motor, and is very fast for a street car. but its main purpose is as a luxury car. One that has some balls when u put the foot down. However, if an owner brings one to the strip, then it is fair game for such opinions. But if ur just talking about it in general, then anyone who forms opinions based on its 1/4 mile time is a ****ing idiot.

And for those of u who are talking **** and not contributing. STFU. U have no need to say **** at all. If u have an issue with my point, then bring up ur issue in a reasonable way. If ur just starting **** because ur and asshole or are too stupid to comprehend the question then dont right anything at all please. thank you.

[terrorcel]

Your question was answered in almost every post. Why continue?

[ASIAN JUL]

Yes, this is exactly what I said before. Drag racing is fine, it is a fun and exciting form of racing. I just dont like to see it become the standard for EVERYTHING. yes, if a ferrari shows up on the strip, then it will be judged as a dragster and rightly so. Im talking more about just general car discussion. ppl will be talking about some car and certain ppl come in and say it is good or bad based on its drag time alone. Thats fine if it is a car built for drag racing, but if its a car that is built for other stuff, then it should be judged on what it is built to do. Its like comparing apples to oranges. Dont judge a mercedes S600 as drag car, b/c it is a luxury sedan. It has a big motor, and is very fast for a street car. but its main purpose is as a luxury car. One that has some balls when u put the foot down. However, if an owner brings one to the strip, then it is fair game for such opinions. But if ur just talking about it in general, then anyone who forms opinions based on its 1/4 mile time is a ****ing idiot.

And for those of u who are talking **** and not contributing. STFU. U have no need to say **** at all. If u have an issue with my point, then bring up ur issue in a reasonable way. If ur just starting **** because ur and asshole or are too stupid to comprehend the question then dont right anything at all please. thank you.

Says the man who admits that he says things just to get a rise out of people and spells "write" wrong. :rofl:

I also agree people have been answering your original question.. even I and I know nothing about cars. Drag is just one part of measuring a car's ability. Like I said before, until there's a "test" or "challenge" or whatever that measures every car's ability in every aspect of what a car is made of, the 1/4 mile is just a part of the equation.

[ndubz]

ya ya, I get it. I just hate when people act like its the end all be all for every type of car. yes there have been many good posts here. but some BS ones too. w/e my ? is basically answered.

[TurboTagTeam]

You know why everyone loves drag racing? (compared to road racing/rally)

1. Cheap~~Drag racing costs 25 for a sesion (90-120$ for a typical 3-4 hour test and tune at a road course)
2. Your car can be 100% stock and still race (you will boil your stock brake fluid, crack ur stock rotors, stock tires are gonna suck)
3. No aftermarket safety equitment needed for most stock cars (Gloves, Boots[not heel-toeing in ur timberlands], racing bucket if the stock seats suck)
4. Your car can be running like crap and still make it to the finish line.( cars are punished a hell of a lot more in road racing. A car not running at 100% is going to fail on a roadcourse MUCH more than a drag car not running at full potential that only has to run for 8-12 seconds at full throttle)

[ndubz]

Well put. But understanding the merits of drag racing was never really my issue. Im saying that ive seen alot of people make absolute judgements on cars based on their drag times alone. And thats fine for a drag car, or if drag racing was the topic. But many times it isnt. For example, someone said that an S4 was slow because it runs 14s. That would be fine if we were talking about the S4 on the strip, but we were talking about the car in general. And its a fast luxury street car, not dragster. It doesnt run 10s, but it doesnt need to. It is a street car and therefore needs to be compared with all other street cars. Daewoo to Bugatti. And in that perspective, the S4 is faster than 99% of its competition. That absolutely qualifies it as a fast car. If someone takes the car to the strip, or decides to mod it into being a dragster, then it is appropriate to judge the car based on its 1/4 mile time. But if ur looking at the car in general, then it is only fair to judge it on what it was built for.

Its the same thing as if i were to say that a drag spec mustang was a ****ty car because it has an ugly uncomfortable interior, and had ****ty ride quality. A Maybach is sooooo much better in every way. That is an idiot way to look at that mustang b/c its purpose is for 1/4 mile drag races, not luxury and pampered comfort.

Im trying to show u all my point. U cant say an apple tastes like **** b/c it doesnt taste like an orange. If u want an orange then have a damn orange.

[Got Insulin?]

Why do you continue to dredge this up? People have given you the same answer over and over, and you keep saying the same thing back. We get it: you're slow. Chill out.

[Vr-4-Life]

Zomgggg what is with japan and drift racing???? i dont get it............


Dude drag racing is all american and its cheap competitive fun.

I dont want to be a dick but this thread was nothing but flame bait.

[ndubz]

the reason i keep posting is that u all seem to think that i dont get drag racing and why its popular or practical. That has never been the case. My case is people who use it to judge all cars regardless of their purpose. It just pisses me off b/c it is such a stupid and simplistic way of looking at cars. if u cant understand my point read my other posts, ive explained it many times. If u dont wish to try, then dont comment.

[no-zoom2002]

the reason i keep posting is that u all seem to think that i dont get drag racing and why its popular or practical. That has never been the case. My case is people who use it to judge all cars regardless of their purpose. It just pisses me off b/c it is such a stupid and simplistic way of looking at cars. if u cant understand my point read my other posts, ive explained it many times. If u dont wish to try, then dont comment.

No what they don't get is why you won't let this die! They understand your point, and Just ignore the people that judge a car strictly by drag racing. This is not a hard solution the way I see it! Every time some one says a car is slow because it isn't a 10 sec ride, please don't post a thread about it, it is just that person or group of peoples opinion!

[ndubz]

Ok w/e. Mods come close this thread then, if no one else has anything good to say.

[Xavier]

So these three guys walk into a bar.







The fourth one ducks. Good?

[bastid]

And i think its hilarious that alot of ppl with STis, evos, m3s, etc. Are so fixated on drag racing...

Please, provide me with some sources on how TST members who own M3s are "so fixated on drag racing." I'm intrigued at your prediction.

Oh that's right, you have nothing of substance to back you.

[tr4c3]

So these three guys walk into a bar.







The fourth one ducks. Good?

So a seal walks into a club...

[TROLL]

Ok w/e. Mods come close this thread then, if no one else has anything good to say.

YOU are the one who doesn't have anything good to say. Respect the New Thread button, and respect the Reply button too... don't talk just to talk... only respond if you have something to contribute.
This discussion was over by the 3rd or 4th post... you're generalizing the forum and making assumptions which are not true. The argument was flawed from the start and didn't leave much potential for discussion.