No more TO

[max2k1]

The Eagles have officially suspended TO for 4 games, after which he will be deactivated for the rest of the season and will be with a new team next season

[Little G]

Hopefully won't be denver

[99SL2_Modder]

Good. This piece of trash needs to #gtfo from the game, period. Jerkoff.

[seneca]

As much as I like the guy as a player he just doesnt know when to keep his trap shut. The man is a hell of an athletic speciman but unfortunately has the common sense of a doorknob. Anyone looking for a house in the 3-4 million dollar range in moorestown? =P

[95SC2]

he is really good, too bad he cant be more of a team player instead of a ass

[smoger]

good riddance.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

i like him but hes got to go

[slavetothemuzic]

You'd think that $200K per game would be an incentive to STFU.

This 4 game suspension is gonna cost him about $800K, just because he can't stop running his mouth.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

T.O. has B.O. and no team!

[seneca]

I think the fact that "his boy" Mike Irving hung him out to dry by asking the question in the first place is jsut as fuct up as the result of it.

[GTIivVR6]

hahaha im glad hes gone.....hes not going to get a huge contract with anybody next year....at least none more than the eagles were paying him...hell be lucky if hes signed for more than one year...im sure he will get plenty of offers, but not that big 6 year contract hes looking for...

on an off note to all you steeler fans....better sign heinz ward.....i have a feeling a certain team is going to try and pick him up if yas dont :)

[Shades of Gray]

GooD ByE...sniffle, sniffle, tear...uh i mean...PEACE!!!!
I cant say we dont need him here in Philly...but he's an idiot. No organization is going to sign him for good money now. He had a good thing in Philly. And then he...arg! what a loser!

[GTIivVR6]

GooD ByE...sniffle, sniffle, tear...uh i mean...PEACE!!!!
I cant say we dont need him here in Philly...but he's an idiot. No organization is going to sign him for good money now. He had a good thing in Philly. And then he...arg! what a loser!
i can say we dont need him here in philly...we dont! we won playoff games and got to the superbowl without the dude....hes a scumbag......i think we are better off without him....and to tell ya the truth, id rather lose the other 8 games left in this season then put up with his bs....next year hopefully we will get another big time reciever...(cough ward, cough heinz ward)
its such a relief to have that dude off the team...now reggie brown and billy mcmullen have to step up....bily mcmullen is supposed to be nice....now he has a chance to prove it....i like the looks of brown man...hopefully he produces the same type of plays next week

[capaGC8]

if anyone thinks we got to the superbowl without TO last year they need to turn off WIP... he contributed to a 13-1 record and helped lock up home field advantage for the playoffs.
by locking up homefield we were able to rest our starters for the last 2 games. granted he didn't play in playoffs, but the vikings and the falcons (along with the rest of the NFC) were not on the same level with the birds last year.

even with all that said, he is still the most selfish, self centered, childish athlete to ever compete professionally... i dont care if we lose every game for the rest of the year, he got keyshawned and deserved every second of it.

HEGOOOOO HEGO HEGO HEGO NOOO MOOO TO

[wonner]

if anyone thinks we got to the superbowl without TO last year they need to turn off WIP... he contributed to a 13-1 record and helped lock up home field advantage for the playoffs.
by locking up homefield we were able to rest our starters for the last 2 games. granted he didn't play in playoffs, but the vikings and the falcons (along with the rest of the NFC) were not on the same level with the birds last year.

even with all that said, he is still the most selfish, self centered, childish athlete to ever compete professionally... i dont care if we lose every game for the rest of the year, he got keyshawned and deserved every second of it.

I agree with this post 100%.

[BobErT-]

Im Glad, he is nothing but a waste anyways. That other wide reciever the filled in for him did much better. Hell with TO he ****ed it up for himself.

[max2k1]

if anyone thinks we got to the superbowl without TO last year they need to turn off WIP... he contributed to a 13-1 record and helped lock up home field advantage for the playoffs.
by locking up homefield we were able to rest our starters for the last 2 games. granted he didn't play in playoffs, but the vikings and the falcons (along with the rest of the NFC) were not on the same level with the birds last year.



they didnt lock up home field advantage each of the past 3 years before he came? :screwy:

[dolphinS4]

if anyone thinks we got to the superbowl without TO last year they need to turn off WIP... he contributed to a 13-1 record and helped lock up home field advantage for the playoffs.
by locking up homefield we were able to rest our starters for the last 2 games. granted he didn't play in playoffs, but the vikings and the falcons (along with the rest of the NFC) were not on the same level with the birds last year.

even with all that said, he is still the most selfish, self centered, childish athlete to ever compete professionally... i dont care if we lose every game for the rest of the year, he got keyshawned and deserved every second of it.

HEGOOOOO HEGO HEGO HEGO NOOO MOOO TO
You do realize he broke his leg last year and missed more than half the season.
But I do agree with the selfish part.

[Shades of Gray]

next year hopefully we will get another big time reciever...(cough ward, cough heinz ward)

how about one better...Regie Wayne is to be a free agent isnt he?? As well as Heinz Ward, Antwon Randel El, and David Givens.
anyone else a free agent?

[97TurboDSM]

Fly Eagles Fly

[94RedReaper]

He did have a way out of this disaster he created. He had Philly in the palm of his hand at the end of last year. Then he and his new agent made that whole fiasco about a new contract. If he wanted to save face, he could've just fired his new agent(Rosenhouse) after seeing he wasn't getting the results he thought he was going to get and gave a public speech on TV that he was misled by his new agent, so he fired him. You know it would've been BS, but it could've made people forget about him being the problem and thinking that maybe his agent was behind his actions.
Then, he could've played out his contract this year, looked really good to the people of Philly (who hate his agent), and probably would've had a great year that would have added more value to himself. He could've been a hero on all fronts.

Now, forget about everything. I'm actually sick of professional athletes and their moaning and groaning. I'd rather watch amatuers who play for the game or play myself. Just my opinion

[HatchSurfer3]

Screw TO. Reggie Brown took his cross field route for a 67(?) yard TD. We could use another big-time reciever. Im a fan of Heinz Ward.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

i heard the texans have first dibs on him once/if he goes on waivers

[dolphinS4]

He did have a way out of this disaster he created. He had Philly in the palm of his hand at the end of last year. Then he and his new agent made that whole fiasco about a new contract. If he wanted to save face, he could've just fired his new agent(Rosenhouse) after seeing he wasn't getting the results he thought he was going to get and gave a public speech on TV that he was misled by his new agent, so he fired him. You know it would've been BS, but it could've made people forget about him being the problem and thinking that maybe his agent was behind his actions.
Then, he could've played out his contract this year, looked really good to the people of Philly (who hate his agent), and probably would've had a great year that would have added more value to himself. He could've been a hero on all fronts.

Now, forget about everything. I'm actually sick of professional athletes and their moaning and groaning. I'd rather watch amatuers who play for the game or play myself. Just my opinion
He didn't even have to do any of that. Next to Mcnabb, he got the biggest cheers during intro's at the Linc. We loved him, even after his hold-out bull crap.

All he had to due was keep his mouth closed. Unfortunatly, he liked to here himself talk too much.
Oooh well, we'll be fine.

[WhiteXFire]

He didn't miss half the season last year...he missed the last 2 regular season games and 4 1/2 weeks after that. And no offense, but I think there will be several teams fighting to sign him for next year regardless of what happened in Philly. It's been done before with less talented players, and he actually has better numbers this year so far than last year.

Last season before getting injured (14 games):
77 catches
1,200 yds
14 TD's

This season with everything going on (7 games):
47 catches
763 yds
6 TD's

That's 4th best in the league in rec yds and 3rd best in TD's with 1-2 less games than the other WR's and all of the politics that have been hanging over his head. He's easily a top 3 WR in the league based on stats...there's no way other teams are going to ignore that like the Eagles did ignorantly.

[Blackout]

It's amazing how fast fans as well as the organization will forget all the good you did for the team. This reminds me of the whole Minnesota deal. Oh we'll be better without Randy Moss. lol.......look where that has gotten them.

[DomZ]

Bye bye, anyone wanna burn his jerseys with me?

[GTIivVR6]

It's amazing how fast fans as well as the organization will forget all the good you did for the team. This reminds me of the whole Minnesota deal. Oh we'll be better without Randy Moss. lol.......look where that has gotten them.
who said anyone forgot what TO did for the team? Every interview i hear says "even though he was a great contribution on the field" dude your almost as oblivious to things as owens is......you like make up these things in your head, and then type them over the computer...the vikings are having a lot more problems with their team than losing randy moss.......or maybe you havent been reading up in the newspaper on your stats and gossip? t.o. os worse than randy moss after this in my opinion, and WE ARE A BETTER TEAM WITHOUT HIM end of story....if you want to argue that then you are pretty much a dolt and suck at life...thank you

[seneca]

Ill bite since Im a dolt and already suck at life. Saying we'll be better without TO considering whos going to have to step up and fill those huge shoes is ludicrous. Yes he was a cancer to the team but I hardly think well be better without him. You sound like every other delusional Eagle fan(atic) to me.

[slavetothemuzic]

Yes he was a cancer to the team but I hardly think well be better without him. You sound like every other delusional Eagle fan(atic) to me.
You admit that TO was a cancer to the team, yet in the same breath you say Eagles fans are delusional? :screwy:

The bottom line is, if you're not helping the team, you're hindering the team. Period. TO is an excellent athlete, however, now that it's come down to fighting with teamates in the locker room, he MUST go or it will adversely affect the team without a doubt.

The guy really needs an attitude check. Yes, he is a great player, but exactly how much does an unemployed great player make? His attitude already cost him nearly $1MM this year. How much will that cost him in order to get a new job? I know if I were a prospective team, I'd totally use that against him if I even considered him at all. "Welllllllllllllllllllll, we're really not sure about how you're going to fit in with the team, blah blah blah....so we're only going to be able to offer $XX million for the first couple years to see how it works out."
All because he can't keep his mouth shut and play the damn game.

[seneca]

I agree hes a cancer and needed to go but I dont agree well be better for it. Thats my only point. As much of a distraction he was I doubt anyone is going to be able to fill his shoes any time soon. Im with you guys in wishing him farewell just not in agreement well prosper from it.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

yeah i dont think the eagles are going to have anyone good enough playin WR to fill his shoes for a good year.

[andru1313]

Well being a Eagles fan. I love TO the WR but don't like TO as a Team Player. He added an element to the team that has been missing for many years. But that being said the team has looked awful this year so that dynamic of team play has been lost. Donovan looks lost on that field. And Andy Reids play calling has been less than stellar. Just look at that last play agains the redskins 4th down couple yards to the first down... and you don't have westbrook in the game? You have spock? PLEASSE. Anyway, I think the team moral will be better without TO, but lets just hope there young recievers can pick it up. God now we have to look forward to more of STINKSTON>>>>>>

[max2k1]

theres alot of people in here that are football retarded who just listen to ESPN for 5 minutes and think thats the whole story. Is TO leaving a good thing? Yes. Are the Eagles going to be a better team without him?ABSOLUTELY! They wont be as good as they were last year but they will be better than they have been this year. And im not referring to stats and records. TO had the lockeroom spliting into 3 different groups. If thats not bad for team chemistry I dont know what is. Thats what this game is all about, TEAM CHEMISTRY. You can have the best players in the world, and if they cant play together as team they wont be able to do a damn thing. Look at New England the past 4 years, they werent the most talented team, but they knew how to play together to win, except for this year when they lost 3/4 of their defense. The Eagles are going to be playing alot better now that he is gone. Does that mean they are gonna win the rest of their games this season? I wish, but I doubt it. They will make thing interesting the rest of the season though. :wiggle:

[GTIivVR6]

theres alot of people in here that are football retarded who just listen to ESPN for 5 minutes and think thats the whole story. Is TO leaving a good thing? Yes. Are the Eagles going to be a better team without him?ABSOLUTELY! They wont be as good as they were last year but they will be better than they have been this year. And im not referring to stats and records. TO had the lockeroom spliting into 3 different groups. If thats not bad for team chemistry I dont know what is. Thats what this game is all about, TEAM CHEMISTRY. You can have the best players in the world, and if they cant play together as team they wont be able to do a damn thing. Look at New England the past 4 years, they werent the most talented team, but they knew how to play together to win, except for this year when they lost 3/4 of their defense. The Eagles are going to be playing alot better now that he is gone. Does that mean they are gonna win the rest of their games this season? I wish, but I doubt it. They will make thing interesting the rest of the season though. :wiggle:
well said.....after reading a portion of your post i was thinking about the pats but you already said it.....you think the eagles are going to go after another big time reciever next year or what? i hope so....i hope we can pick up a new power back also....i doubt we will stick with buckhaulter....i think shawn alexander is a free agent after this year with the seahawks....that would be nice

[SexyDSM95]

I say we trade McNabb for Favre...I feel bad for him (Favre). His talent is being wasted this season. Because you know...Philly is already started to re-vamp the team with the deserved suspension of TO.

[max2k1]

well said.....after reading a portion of your post i was thinking about the pats but you already said it.....you think the eagles are going to go after another big time reciever next year or what? i hope so....i hope we can pick up a new power back also....i doubt we will stick with buckhaulter....i think shawn alexander is a free agent after this year with the seahawks....that would be nice
More than likely they will pick up a new reciever, but im not sure if it will be a big name guy or just a reliable one.

I say we trade McNabb for Favre...I feel bad for him (Favre). His talent is being wasted this season. Because you know...Philly is already started to re-vamp the team with the deserved suspension of TO.
Aren't you a Pittsburgh fan? :mrgreen: Why would the Eagles trade their franchise quaterback for a player that is in the twilight of his career and on the verge of retiring.

[SexyDSM95]

Aren't you a Pittsburgh fan? :mrgreen: Why would the Eagles trade their franchise quaterback for a player that is in the twilight of his career and on the verge of retiring.
Favre > McNabb

Sorry he is a WHITE GUY with talent. Trying to help out the Eagles a bit, but I guess Coach Reid has a good grasp on it from here...ya know with there awesome 4-4 record I am sure it's going to be an awesome season for them even with McNabb losing games for them! Especially with them coming up against the Cowboys and Giants soon! :lol: :roll:

[capaGC8]

they didnt lock up home field advantage each of the past 3 years before he came? :screwy:

i was talking about the 2005 season, and i said SUPERBOWL not NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.... besides, they didn't get home field for the 2003 playoffs - remember 4th and 26th?

You do realize he broke his leg last year and missed more than half the season.
But I do agree with the selfish part.

:screwy: you do realize that YOU'RE completely wrong, don't you?

he was injured during the cowboys monday night game AFTER he scored a touchdown... that was the 14th game of the regular season and we clinched the NFC with that win. the next 2 games were the rams and bengals, and we started both games with our backups.

Bye bye, anyone wanna burn his jerseys with me?

i'm down - how about a TST TO jersey burn-off... MONDAY NIGHT @ 7:30PM :supz:

[max2k1]

Favre > McNabb

Sorry he is a WHITE GUY with talent. Trying to help out the Eagles a bit, but I guess Coach Reid has a good grasp on it from here...ya know with there awesome 4-4 record I am sure it's going to be an awesome season for them even with McNabb losing games for them! Especially with them coming up against the Cowboys and Giants soon! :lol: :roll:
Why do people blame Mcnabb? its not his fault they cant run the ball right now, and he has no choice over the plays that are being called. Even with his injuries this year, Mcnabb still has a higher QB rating than farve who also has thrown almost double the amount of interceptions that Mcnabb has this year. Farves highest QB rating of his career 99.5. Mcnabbs highest QB rating of his career 104.7. Brett Farve is a hall of fame quarterback because of his superbowl wins with a great team and ironman like mentality when it comes to starts. Manning>Mcnabb>Favre as of right now, not when he was winning superbowls.

[SexyDSM95]

Why do people blame Mcnabb? its not his fault they cant run the ball right now, and he has no choice over the plays that are being called. Even with his injuries this year, Mcnabb still has a higher QB rating than farve who also has thrown almost double the amount of interceptions that Mcnabb has this year. Farves highest QB rating of his career 99.5. Mcnabbs highest QB rating of his career 104.7. Brett Farve is a hall of fame quarterback because of his superbowl wins with a great team and ironman like mentality when it comes to starts. Manning>Mcnabb>Favre as of right now, not when he was winning superbowls.
I love how hypocritical you are in this statement...you are sitting here saying how people should not be blaming McNabb for throwing games and/or interceptions when you are doing the exact thing with Favre. I could easily sit here and tell you how it's not his fault and how his team sucks so it's a waste of his talent as retaliation. McNabb's #'s are so good thanks to Andy Reid calling a passing play almost everytime out in the field.

[max2k1]

Throwing interceptions is the quarterbacks fault plain and simple. You were trying to say that Farve is better for the Eagles. I simply pointed out the stats. No where did I mention his teams record or say that it was his fault for their losing, I simply did a QB comparison. Go look at the stats, Farve is an interception machine, has been his whole career. He has thrown for 20+ interceptions 4 seperate times in his career, and these arent when the team sucks. Throwing the ball more for Mcnabb will actually hurt his qb rating because it does increase the chances for incomplete passes and interceptions. Having a solid running game is what helps QB's because it makes the defense guess more giving the qb more options

[SexyDSM95]

Having a solid running game is what helps QB's because it makes the defense guess more giving the qb more options
Which is funny because this is what the Eagle's don't have.

[max2k1]

which is what i said

[andru1313]

Is anyone listening to the TO press conference? How sorry he is and now his agent is saying what a big mistake and how the media has fried his client.

Ok just finished listening to this garbage. OMG. If anyone wants a good laugh or get there blood pressure pumping please log into WIP and when they publish the POD cast you must listen to. Unreal, I am appauled. F;n Agents.

[max2k1]

his agent is such an ass. he is under federal investigation right now i believe, for stealing clients

[SexyDSM95]

Here ya go:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5056146
Embarassing

[andru1313]

his agent is such an ass. he is under federal investigation right now i believe, for stealing clients

Did you steal from your clients?
Next question
Did you steal from your clients?
Next question
Did you steal from your clients.
Next question
Did you Steal from your clients.
Next question

[seneca]

At least TO sounded sincere not that its going to chnage things. Drew is a douche and a no good rotten scoundrel. Two things could have happened today that could have results in TO wearing green again.

1. He fired rosenhous on the spot and gave a heartfelt apology not reading off cards.

2. He showed how sincere he was by playing out the 4 games for free.

comments?

[andru1313]

Been there done that. When he left san fran he said he was a diferent player. This is the same ole same ole. He is just making himself marketable for another team. This is just propaganda for TO's camp.

[seneca]

Im with ya 100 percent but im syaing if he did those things today AT the press conference things MAY have been salvagable.

[andru1313]

Im with ya 100 percent but im syaing if he did those things today AT the press conference things MAY have been salvagable.

This was just reported on the ESPN site
However, Eagles officials who watched the news conference told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio that the team will not take Owens back.

Owens on Monday was told by the team not to return this season. The decision resulted from "a large number of situations that accumulated over a long period of time, during which Terrell had been warned repeatedly about the consequences of his actions," Reid said.
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he is trolling for a new team.
I am so steamed over this. But this made me laugh
We just figured it all out here at work.
1. TO fires Rosenhaus.
2. the Eagles team doctor puts TO on a heavy dose of Prozac.
3. Andy Reid starts eating again and returns to his proper "coaching weight.
4. Eagles win Super Bowl

[GTIivVR6]

sandra why do you hate mcnabb so much? no offense, but hes proved a lot more than ben rothlisberger lol....you should give the guy some respect....hes a good quarter back that handles situations with class and shows he is a mature adult......he had a half decent game on sunday...he tried to make a play at the end and effed up...everybody does! he didnt lose the game for them......thats absurd...if you think about it....if a couple plays went our way we could have won the game...(cough the catch to lewis that was ruled an incomplete, the forced fumbles that bounced towards the redskins) but thats the way the game goes sometimes.....it was a sweet game and i think they played better without to....i saw donavon laughing on the sidelines and he looked more relaxed....nomore uncomfortable feeling in the huddle anymore....im just happy TO is gone and we can look forward to the rest of the season without that sausage pirate on the team....and hopefully next year pick up a nice number 1 reciever..

[Fastrick25]

Is it just me or do football teams pay players to show up and play well which TO does,yes he critized Mcnabb and he should, anyone watching last years Superbowl will tell you Mcnabb ran out of gas or he was thinking about cambell soup commercials.This year he's hurt and should have had the operation done and returned for the playoffs.Mcnabb doesnt like being talked about by TO, the Eagles main office seems to agree because they wanted to keep TO silent.The subject of team chemistry is a joke, this are multimillion dollar players that get paid to perform,TO performs because thats what he's paid for.Im sorry but this is the dumbest move in Philly since the Sixers traded Charles Barkley and our season is over. Hugh Douglas isnt a player but a liason for the Eagles so why is he getting into a fight with actual players. :bs:

[max2k1]

im not even gonna comment on that gold nugget that popped out of your head :screwy:

[Little G]

Ahhh , no more TO..... Thats ashame.......Not!

[MuddyREX]

3. Andy Reid starts eating again and returns to his proper "coaching weight.



BWAHAAHAHA

[dolphinS4]

Been there done that. When he left san fran he said he was a diferent player. This is the same ole same ole. He is just making himself marketable for another team. This is just propaganda for TO's camp.
Exactly. Today's press conference was directed squarely towards the teams thinking about signing Owens next year.

My favorite part was Rosenhause blaming the media for TO's current problems.
I guess it was the medias fault too when Rosenhaus went on any and all shows to rant about TO's contract this past summer.
Love the spin.

[GTIivVR6]

Is it just me or do football teams pay players to show up and play well which TO does,yes he critized Mcnabb and he should, anyone watching last years Superbowl will tell you Mcnabb ran out of gas or he was thinking about cambell soup commercials.This year he's hurt and should have had the operation done and returned for the playoffs.Mcnabb doesnt like being talked about by TO, the Eagles main office seems to agree because they wanted to keep TO silent.The subject of team chemistry is a joke, this are multimillion dollar players that get paid to perform,TO performs because thats what he's paid for.Im sorry but this is the dumbest move in Philly since the Sixers traded Charles Barkley and our season is over. Hugh Douglas isnt a player but a liason for the Eagles so why is he getting into a fight with actual players. :bs:
why is team chemistry a joke? go back to max2k1's post on the patriots....that team had chemistry...no real all stars, just a bunch of guys that got along and played TOGETHER...team chemistry has EVERYTHING to do with the performance on the field.....amd hugh douglas is there in the locker room and for team meetings because he gets along with everyone and he is a joker on the team...he helps the CHEMISTRY....getting rid of TO was a good move....hes aint worth all that money for all the crap you have to put up with...in a couple years reggie brown will be pretty nice...i aint worried about it...we just need a number 1 reciever for next year

[BobErT-]

Now he is going to cry cry cry his way back in.

[GTIivVR6]

haha they wont let him play again....no way.....you know how awkward it prolly was with TO on the field for the entire offense? if you watched the huddles during the game everyones head is in the huddle except for TO...then when they say "break" your supposed to clap your hands and goto your position...TO would leave the huddle early and just walk to his position...it was probably a crappy feeling for donavon and everyone else to see him act like that....the guy is simply a child...and like hugh douglas said has some serious mental problems

[BobErT-]

If Andy Reid lets him play, people will hold such a grudge against him, it wont even be funny.

[GTIivVR6]

o yeah, did anyone else notice that TD he had against the broncos where he burned champ bailey real real bad? he didnt celebrate with any of the teamates after that....he ran off the field by himself....its a shame how good he is and has to act like that...but life goes on :)

[GTIivVR6]

theres no way reid will let him play.....im expecting donavon to start having fun again during the game...keeping his head up and not worrying about TO crying about one bad pass...or hes not getting the ball enough....that destroys a players confidence

[SupraToWRX]

Guys, come on now. We should be more sympathetic towards T.O. during drastic times like these. I mean, if the multi-million dollar contract he signed with the eagles wasn't enough to feed himself and his family, think about how they're gonna make it now!

We should definitely start a T.O. Can Can donation for the whole T.O. family. What a shame.

Oh, and Rosenhause is a complete moron. He holds a press conference yet dismisses any decent question posed by the media. That's what the conference is for, to answer questions. He just made a complete a55 of himself. At this point I don't know who's worse - T.O. or Rosenhause.

[FFG]

Anyone see TO's lame aplogy on the news tonight?! hahahah

[capaGC8]

Which is funny because this is what the Eagle's don't have.

Ok, first you think that westbrook is not one of the best all purpose backs in the league when he just signed a contract worth $9m up front, and $25m down the road. Then, you have yourself giving big ben a reach-around for your avatar when his running game and defense won the game last week.
Good luck with the colts.

I won't even go into the McNabb statment - I'm still waiting for MNF this week. IMO Eagles have 2 important games to prove themselves, if not... next season.

Don't forget - they're the defending nfc champions...

Anyone see TO's lame aplogy on the news tonight?! hahahah

:lol: i saw it and have four words - TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE

[Sid]

Family of one?

Ay-hole, a-hole a-hole a-hoollle
Ay-hole, Ay-hole!

[wonner]

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/2666/terrellowened0pw.jpg

[Blackout]

Damn this thread has blown up since yesterday. Mike Favre has only won 1 Super Bowl not Super Bowls:wink:

who said anyone forgot what TO did for the team? Every interview i hear says "even though he was a great contribution on the field" dude your almost as oblivious to things as owens is......you like make up these things in your head, and then type them over the computer...the vikings are having a lot more problems with their team than losing randy moss.......or maybe you havent been reading up in the newspaper on your stats and gossip? t.o. os worse than randy moss after this in my opinion, and WE ARE A BETTER TEAM WITHOUT HIM end of story....if you want to argue that then you are pretty much a dolt and suck at life...thank youEvery Eagles fan that I have talked to since this has happened has said the samething about TO. See ya later! Then I ask them well what about what he has brought to the team? Their response is typically, "Who cares. Just get him outta here" And I think the Eagles are just as bad as the Vikings right now. Both teams have now gotten rid of their best WR, both teams have injured QB's but atleast Culpepper is out and not playing injured like McNabb is doing and which is causing the Eagles to lose games. McNabb is an idiot and the Eagles organization are a bunc of idiots for not making McNabb sit out and get the surgery done. Now he has bruised ribs on top of his injury and yet they still have them in there. Its time to read the writiing on the wall. Your half way through the season and you have the Cowboys and Giants coming up. The two best teams in the NFC East back to back for the Eagles. If they lose these two games they should bench McNabb for the season and tell him to get the surgery done and have him ready to go for next season. And seneca said it best. You sound like every other delusional Eagle fan(atic) to me. The person who has helped generate the most offense since joining the Eagles is now gone and you claim your going to be a better team?

[TehWagon]

like him or hate him, he's not gone. i'll bet somebody a dollar SOMETHING happens and he comes back to play for the Eagles...

i don't care either way, i just like watching football.

[GTIivVR6]

did mcnabb look hurt last week against the redskins? i saw him running around alot? i saw him completeing passes to his recievers and spreading the ball around? yeah hes hurt, but feels hes healthy enough to play....thats what plenty of players are doing right now in the nfl dude....get a clue seriously....there is no team in the nfl where soemone is not playing hurt or with some pain...they said his injury is not going to get worse and it wasnt neccessary for him to have the surgery right away...he could have got it done in the very beginning of the year but its too late now...i thought we addressed this is another post? yes, we will be better off without owens......no, im not delusional.....im glad the awkwardness is going to be gone in the huddle...i could have sworn i explained this if you scroll up so im not going to do it again.....alls i have to say is that we won games without the dude....we were successfull for 4 years without the dude....so screw em we dont need him and his bs...and, next year we will have another good reciever:) ill look forward to that

[slavetothemuzic]

The person who has helped generate the most offense since joining the Eagles is now gone and you claim your going to be a better team?
Yes they will. It's retarded to think they won't. Football is a team sport. When you have people who are acting out in public speaking against the team, it brings down morale and makes the Eagles a worse team. Once this situation is solidly behind them, they will be able to get back to the business of teamwork, without having to sweat what some moron who can't keep his mouth shut says in front of the ESPN cameras.

Am I saying that they're going to the super bowl this year? No. But they will be better off as a team without a trouble maker in their ranks.

[HickRocket1258]

Wow I saw that interview yesterday in front of TO's house and Rosenhaus was being like a momma to TO answering all of those questions. I think the Eagles will be better off without TO right now so they can at least get turned around in the right direction. He was more of a distraction than help. My favorite part of the interview though is when a reporter asked Rosenhaus "have you done anything else besides get TO kicked off the team?" When my family and I heard that we laughed histerically because we saw TO in the background smurking, thinking that was a funny question. It was hilarious.

[slavetothemuzic]

My favorite part of the interview though is when a reporter asked Rosenhaus "have you done anything else besides get TO kicked off the team?"
Good point. I thought agents were supposed to make you money, not cost you millions. :screwy:

If TO had half a functional brain left, he'd http://www.aaroncarr.com/images/smileys/nutkick.gif Rosenhaus and find someone who could actually guide him in making SMART career decisions.

[Blackout]

did mcnabb look hurt last week against the redskins? i saw him running around alot? i saw him completeing passes to his recievers and spreading the ball around? yeah hes hurt, but feels hes healthy enough to play....thats what plenty of players are doing right now in the nfl dude....get a clue seriously....there is no team in the nfl where soemone is not playing hurt or with some pain...they said his injury is not going to get worse and it wasnt neccessary for him to have the surgery right away...he could have got it done in the very beginning of the year but its too late now...i thought we addressed this is another post? yes, we will be better off without owens......no, im not delusional.....im glad the awkwardness is going to be gone in the huddle...i could have sworn i explained this if you scroll up so im not going to do it again.....alls i have to say is that we won games without the dude....we were successfull for 4 years without the dude....so screw em we dont need him and his bs...and, next year we will have another good reciever:) ill look forward to thatWell no crap McNabb is going to have to spread the ball around because there is no TO! In the Washington game the Mcmullen and Brown had 154 yds between them and 8 receptions. Before that game combined they had 11 receptions and 1 TD! How the hell could you not say that TO was the key player on the team and without him McNabb is forced to have to go to them. Well I g2g back to work so I'll be back later

[seneca]

Dont bother blackout. As much as I like Philly we will jsut have to let them self destruct without TO to prove our points. =\

[SexyDSM95]

sandra why do you hate mcnabb so much? no offense, but hes proved a lot more than ben rothlisberger lol....you should give the guy some respect....hes a good quarter back that handles situations with class and shows he is a mature adult......he had a half decent game on sunday...he tried to make a play at the end and effed up...everybody does! he didnt lose the game for them......thats absurd...if you think about it....if a couple plays went our way we could have won the game...(cough the catch to lewis that was ruled an incomplete, the forced fumbles that bounced towards the redskins) but thats the way the game goes sometimes.....it was a sweet game and i think they played better without to....i saw donavon laughing on the sidelines and he looked more relaxed....nomore uncomfortable feeling in the huddle anymore....im just happy TO is gone and we can look forward to the rest of the season without that sausage pirate on the team....and hopefully next year pick up a nice number 1 reciever..
Alright now you both have to get me started early this morning. Thanks!
I don't HATE McNabb, I just don't think he lives up to his hype at all. You can't sit there and compare two quarterbacks when one has more experience then the other. Look at it this way, how old is Ben? 22-23? How old is McNabb? How many years more has McNabb (7 years) been playing pro compared to Big Ben (2 years)? How much MORE has Ben proven already this year and last year compared to McNabb considering his age and experience? Philly and Pitt both lost to the same team while on their quest for the Superbowl rings. McNabb is okay, but he is not as great as you people make him out to be this year.

Ok, first you think that westbrook is not one of the best all purpose backs in the league when he just signed a contract worth $9m up front, and $25m down the road. Then, you have yourself giving big ben a reach-around for your avatar when his running game and defense won the game last week.
Good luck with the colts.

I won't even go into the McNabb statment - I'm still waiting for MNF this week. IMO Eagles have 2 important games to prove themselves, if not... next season.
First you have to realize that this pic/avatar was made as a JOKE. A BIG JOKE from another thread. I never said Westbrook was bad or he sucks, I said that the Eagle's (as a whole) running game sucks. ONE person doesn't make the team a running team especially when the coach is calling passing plays 99.9999999% of the time. I don't like TO (we agree on) personally or McNabb professionally. You can sit here and tell me how great his stats are, how good he looks on paper, or how awesome he SOUNDS, but with what I see and all the other millions of people see every Sunday/Monday it contradicts ALL of you. I know this is not solely McNabb's fault, it's a "team" effort. Well if it's a "team" effort and they are 4-4 coming up against the Cowboys and the Giants there record can only get worse.

Even if Pittsburgh kills the Ravens and lose to the Colts you know what? Their record will still be better then the Eagles and now (thanks to TST) I have a new reason to care about the Steelers this season compared to the last ones.

[andru1313]

Listen I am not going to get into a pissing contest about McNabb as a Quaterback. His record stands alone. He has performed and is a star in the NFL. He has had is issues. Like any other QB in the leage. He has his great moments and his not so great moments. He has matured as a QB to a fault I think but none the less has matured. He has worked the west coast offense(which I am not a huge fan of) and adapted well to it.

This year has been tough to watch him play. He looks confused on the field, not making smart plays. Trying to force the play instead of letting it develop. The whole team looks lost. I am hoping that this shake up may bring them back to play as a team and not as they have been playing.

I am not going to write the season off but there schedule is really tough coming up so I am going to wait and see.

[On Sale]

Wow, crazy thread. Did anyone listen to the morning show on 96.5 tuesday morning. They said TO was in georgia, and they were gonna call him. They called him, and it turned out to be some redneck from georgia who coincidently was named terral (sp?) owens . after a minute they told him he was live on the radio, and he was like yeehaww, and started answer the questions as if he was TO. it was so damn funny.

Then they called the pits. steelers and tried to make a trade offer , they wanted to trade TO for equiptment and other ****, it was so damn funny. They actually called the admin. office and talked to some guy live on the radio, haaha . They said they were representing the eagles.

[SexyDSM95]

Oh yea and if you want to do some unfair comparisons about their "running game" lets:
Willie Parker has 2 years experience while Westbrook has double that. Parker's average yards so far this year is 4.7, and Westbrook comes in with a whomping 3.5!

Oh wow! Let's look at Duce Staley (former Eagle's RB). Quite funny how his stats are better coming onto the Steelers compared to his past years with the Eagles. His first year on the Steelers within 10 games he already racked up 830 yards. Too bad he's accident prone. My final assesment: Coach Reid needs to put down the hash pipe and run the ball.

[SexyDSM95]

This year has been tough to watch him play. He looks confused on the field, not making smart plays. Trying to force the play instead of letting it develop. The whole team looks lost. I am hoping that this shake up may bring them back to play as a team and not as they have been playing.
And I agree to this...the team sucks SO FAR this year. There is always next year but I will never be jumping on the bandwagon if they start to win. I wish them luck if this season turns out crappy and I hope they sort out their "players faking injuries" (comment that supposedly started the TO fight).

[andru1313]

And I agree to this...the team sucks SO FAR this year. There is always next year but I will never be jumping on the bandwagon if they start to win. I wish them luck if this season turns out crappy and I hope they sort out their "players faking injuries" (comment that supposedly started the TO fight).

OUCH. Well I am not going to flame the Stillirs... But talking about faking it. TO said last year after the superbowl, that donovan was doggin it. Come on. This is just bs. This is a team in trouble right now. The need to regroup, and pull themselves together. They need a team player to step up and the coach to put the hammer down. Maybe some of the weightloss that andy reid is experiencing is in the brain. The Eagles need to revamp as an entire team, coaches to players. I am an eagles fan always have been, so I drives me crazy to watch them self distruct again. Monday night will be a true test.

[seneca]

The man either throwing up or dry heaving on the field and was visibly winded in the 4th quarter of the superbowl. Their clock management blew and they didnt even deserve to cover the spread. Bottom line is that To was 100 percent accurate in his statement and 100 percent wrong for saying what many people were thinking. No quarterback should ever be given a 100+ million contract no matter how good they are.

[SexyDSM95]

The man either throwing up or dry heaving on the field and was visibly winded in the 4th quarter of the superbowl. Their clock management blew and they didnt even deserve to cover the spread. Bottom line is that To was 100 percent accurate in his statement and 100 percent wrong for saying what many people were thinking. No quarterback should ever be given a 100+ million contract no matter how good they are.
+ eleventy billion! I already said this and got flamed so I will lend you my flame suit.

[seneca]

I dont need no stinkin flame suit. Ill take my licks as they come.

[Blackout]

Its funny how some people are comparing McNabb to Big Ben. Big Ben from where he started and where he is now he is leaps and bounds ahead of where McNabb was at the sametime. Think about it....Big Ben has lost how many games as a starter? Whats his passer rating right now? The only reason why McNabb's stats are as good as they are is because 80% of his passes are screens or short dump passes to Westbrook. When McNabb has to air out the ball I would venture to say that his passes are pathetic because he over throws them. So to sum it up, McNabb is overrated big time when it comes to the passing game since Westbrook and TO catch it and do the rest and make McNabb's numbers look good.

[seneca]

When was the last itme anyone recalls TO dropping a long ball? The man made the big plays when they were needed as long as the ball was there. Ben has lost 2 games in his CAREER both to the same team if my memory serves me correctly.

[SexyDSM95]

Its funny how some people are comparing McNabb to Big Ben. Big Ben from where he started and where he is now he is leaps and bounds ahead of where McNabb was at the sametime. Think about it....Big Ben has lost how many games as a starter? Whats his passer rating right now? The only reason why McNabb's stats are as good as they are is because 80% of his passes are screens or short dump passes to Westbrook. When McNabb has to air out the ball I would venture to say that his passes are pathetic because he over throws them. So to sum it up, McNabb is overrated big time when it comes to the passing game since Westbrook and TO catch it and do the rest and make McNabb's numbers look good.
WOW! This is probably the first and last time I am going to agree with you...SOMEONE gets it! OMG! TY! :supz:

[seneca]

As an aside the most exciting years of Eagles football in my short 28 year lifetime jsut ended with the recent events with TO. Never will i look forward to an Eagles game like I did last year he was lighting the world on fire.

[Blackout]

WOW! This is probably the first and last time I am going to agree with you...SOMEONE gets it! OMG! TY! :supz:First and last time!? :( And here I was about to ask you out on a date. Well here's what your missing out on

http://images.nfl.com/photos/img8160065.jpg

[SexyDSM95]

First and last time!? :( And here I was about to ask you out on a date. Well here's what your missing out on

http://images.nfl.com/photos/img8160065.jpg
:lol: :lol: :wiggle:

[WhiteXFire]

like him or hate him, he's not gone. i'll bet somebody a dollar SOMETHING happens and he comes back to play for the Eagles...

i don't care either way, i just like watching football.
I'll absolutely take that bet.

[TehWagon]

saweet! :mrgreen:

[WhiteXFire]

I got a dollar, I got a dollar, I got a dollar, hey hey hey hey! :rolleyes:

[GTIivVR6]

Well no crap McNabb is going to have to spread the ball around because there is no TO! In the Washington game the Mcmullen and Brown had 154 yds between them and 8 receptions. Before that game combined they had 11 receptions and 1 TD! How the hell could you not say that TO was the key player on the team and without him McNabb is forced to have to go to them. Well I g2g back to work so I'll be back later

and mcnabb plays better when he spreads the ball around usually...any qb does......and who the hell said to wasnt a key player on the team? your puttin words in my mouth fella....

[GTIivVR6]

and to clear it up....i never said anything bad about ben...i just said he hasnt proved anything in the league yet....yeah hes a good qb so far from what i see...put him in mcnabbs situation though 2-3 years ago....you have to remember last year he had 3 pro bowl caliper recievers, this year he has two......he always has two great running backs to keep pressure off of him......this leads me into my next point....

blackout....here ya go again lol..making no sense..."mcnabb is overrated because to and westbrook catch the ball and make mcnabbs numbers look good " HAHAHAHAHAHA dude thats what they are paid to do! thats what heinz ward and randel el do for ben roth....thats what marvin harrison does for peyton manning, thats was david givens does for tom brady, thats what keyshaun, witten, and glenn are doing for your team!!! EVERY QB THAT HAS SUCCESS HAS GOOD RECIEVERS AND AN OK RUNNING GAME IT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO STATE THIS FACT

[capaGC8]

Even if Pittsburgh kills the Ravens and lose to the Colts you know what? Their record will still be better then the Eagles and now (thanks to TST) I have a new reason to care about the Steelers this season compared to the last ones.

wtf? i thought you said you weren't a pittsburgh fan?

Oh yea and if you want to do some unfair comparisons about their "running game" lets:
Willie Parker has 2 years experience while Westbrook has double that. Parker's average yards so far this year is 4.7, and Westbrook comes in with a whomping 3.5!

Oh wow! Let's look at Duce Staley (former Eagle's RB). Quite funny how his stats are better coming onto the Steelers compared to his past years with the Eagles. His first year on the Steelers within 10 games he already racked up 830 yards. Too bad he's accident prone. My final assesment: Coach Reid needs to put down the hash pipe and run the ball.

i don't mean to pick on you, but i hope you realize that the steelers are as much of a running team as the eagles are passing. granted both teams have to balance there systems, but they will never be as equal as another team's.

I got a dollar, I got a dollar, I got a dollar, hey hey hey hey! :rolleyes:

good job, buckwheat! :mrgreen:


TO ALL:
does nobody realize what the west coast offense is? the fact that the eagles have successfully made it to the NFC championship game within this same system has eluded almost everyone as well. do you know why the eagles unbalanced strategy is so apparent now? because teams like the panthers, bucs, cowboys, and falcons have built defenses in order to defeat the system - that's what you do when you want to beat the best.

you have to admit that the eagles are finally committing to a running game, but don't even begin to compare one of the best run blocking o-lines in the league with one of the best pass rushing o-lines.

and lay off mcnabb until MNF - then do as you please... thank you - that is all

[Shades of Gray]

WOW! This is probably the first and last time I am going to agree with you...SOMEONE gets it! OMG! TY! :supz:

Wow...i follow football thoroughly, and i have to disagree with the both of you. As much as i dont want to start any more arguments...i just dont agree...and then again maybe i didnt read the whole thread... But there is no chance that Ben is a better QB than McNabb. Yes i'm an eagles fan, but besides that, fantasy football changes you and you see football from every angle. Lets compare here...including your discussion on running the ball...even with w. parker. Eagles offensive line...stinks...Steelers: excelent. They create great gaps for their running backs. Their offense is based on the run. So when you're running effectivly and you only need to throw the ball maybe 20 times a game...you're QB rating is going to be outstanding. They also present their QB with ample time off of play action and other pass plays. So when Ben's stats are good, they are highly thankful to their O line...as well as to Ward, Randel EL, and last year...Buress.
Westbrook is a decent RB, but he presents an even bigger chalange to Defenses because of his ability to catch the ball in the open field and the difficutly to cover him. But you have to admit that if Reed ran the ball more, gave Westbrook more touch oppertunities...that he would be one of the best backs in the league. Look at his stats from last year...they were amazing.
And as far as McNabb...overrated?? Eat your words my friend. No one says he's the best QB in the league. Cuz he isnt. But one of the best?? You better believe it. 9(?) interseptions last year?? 30+ TD's. He's a fighter and he's playing hurt this year. That is where his weekness lies. He should have gotten his surgery earlier in the year, now its too late and we have to deal with a QB who isnt very mobile. If you're a Defensive coordinater...you base your plays off that fact. Denver showed that perfectly.
Anyway. Eagles have a tough 2nd half to the season...but if they pull together, they may still be able to make the playoffs. But injuries are killing them right now.
I see superbowl 40: Carolina vs Indiapolis

[GTIivVR6]

well said man...well effin said! except i dont think the panthers are going to represent the nfc..im still not sure whats going to happen in our conference its crazy right now

[capaGC8]

Wow...i follow football thoroughly, and i have to disagree with the both of you. As much as i dont want to start any more arguments...i just dont agree...and then again maybe i didnt read the whole thread... But there is no chance that Ben is a better QB than McNabb. Yes i'm an eagles fan, but besides that, fantasy football changes you and you see football from every angle. Lets compare here...including your discussion on running the ball...even with w. parker. Eagles offensive line...stinks...Steelers: excelent. They create great gaps for their running backs. Their offense is based on the run. So when you're running effectivly and you only need to throw the ball maybe 20 times a game...you're QB rating is going to be outstanding. They also present their QB with ample time off of play action and other pass plays. So when Ben's stats are good, they are highly thankful to their O line...as well as to Ward, Randel EL, and last year...Buress.
Westbrook is a decent RB, but he presents an even bigger chalange to Defenses because of his ability to catch the ball in the open field and the difficutly to cover him. But you have to admit that if Reed ran the ball more, gave Westbrook more touch oppertunities...that he would be one of the best backs in the league. Look at his stats from last year...they were amazing.
And as far as McNabb...overrated?? Eat your words my friend. No one says he's the best QB in the league. Cuz he isnt. But one of the best?? You better believe it. 9(?) interseptions last year?? 30+ TD's. He's a fighter and he's playing hurt this year. That is where his weekness lies. He should have gotten his surgery earlier in the year, now its too late and we have to deal with a QB who isnt very mobile. If you're a Defensive coordinater...you base your plays off that fact. Denver showed that perfectly.
Anyway. Eagles have a tough 2nd half to the season...but if they pull together, they may still be able to make the playoffs. But injuries are killing them right now.
I see superbowl 40: Carolina vs Indiapolis

how can you say you're an eagles fan and not see the protection that mcnabb has each and every down. on the blitz, he used to step up and take the hit in order to make a play, but he doesnt anymore. McNabb inconsistency shouldn't make you see the o-line as weak. Is it their fault he takes 5+ secs to get rid of the ball? Even Big Ben doesn't do that, and neither did McNabb the last 4 seasons. If he doesn't step up with the next 2 games, the season is over...

[Shades of Gray]

how can you say you're an eagles fan and not see the protection that mcnabb has each and every down. on the blitz, he used to step up and take the hit in order to make a play, but he doesnt anymore. McNabb inconsistency shouldn't make you see the o-line as weak. Is it their fault he takes 5+ secs to get rid of the ball? Even Big Ben doesn't do that, and neither did McNabb the last 4 seasons. If he doesn't step up with the next 2 games, the season is over...

1. What i said doesnt mean every down obviously...but it does include this years O-line. and alot of the pass plays that involve only a three step drop pass even. Last years was great. This year they cant stop 95% of the blitz because of the amount of pass rushers usually. Last year they were able to handle it. But the O-line is a little different this year. S. Andrews (rookie) is a good player, but he's still learning and maturing, we no longer have Mayberry, and what stinks now is Fraly is out for the season...so thats a real downer...most consistant blocker.
and

2. I also highly meant that our O-line stinks when it comes to making running paths. The job obviously doesnt fall on the HB or FB's completely. If you dont have a hole to run through for the majority of the run plays...than you arnt going to be successful. Then again, Reed is predictable...so maybe thats why we cant run the ball. Because everyone and they're brothers know that on 2nd and long...its a run play...usually.

[capaGC8]

i figured that what you meant, but just to say they stink didn't really make sense to me. mcnabb wouldnt be able to complete the number of passes he does without an o-line as good as ours.

as for the run, you're dead on right now - they need to stay committed. even tho this last game was a loss, i still feel they proved they are ready to rely more on westbrook. i wouldn't mind seein more of those 20+ yard screens either.

funny what happens when you give someone $9m and a long term deal - that's the first screen that worked so far this year... hopefully it's a sign of things to come.

[TehWagon]

i just wanted to interject that i'm very ...impressed by how much thought you all are putting into this!

[Shades of Gray]

i figured that what you meant, but just to say they stink didn't really make sense to me. mcnabb wouldnt be able to complete the number of passes he does without an o-line as good as ours.

Well when you pass 50+ times a game, you're bound to have some completions

[GTIivVR6]

the O line needs more practice on opening holes....they need to do abetter job on picking up blitz...and the tight ends and full backs and even running backs need to do a better job of blocking those blistz's...obviously when the broncos were bringing everybody and their mother to t-off on mcnabb there is no stopping everybody, but thats why we need to run the friggin ball....i agree with cappa...this week we will be more consistant with the run, and hopefully see those screen passes more to westbrook...thats what he was so good at last year....i want to see more of mcmullen too...dude never gets to play now he can finally prove himself...hes supposed to be nice,,i already know reggie brown will be ok

[Silver04STi]

Now Jesse Jackson is getting involved

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/11/13/owens.jackson.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

[TehWagon]

and nader! this **** is funnAy :lol: