Jonathan & Lee Shope Threaten to sue me over my vr6 craigslist ad!!

[On Sale]

First and foremost read my craigslist post before anything.

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/865871305.html

I receive an email from Jonathan s. (@yahoo.com).



On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:06 pm, jonathan wrote:
>** CRAIGSLIST ADVISORY --- AVOID SCAMS BY DEALING LOCALLY
>** Avoid: wiring money, cross-border deals, work-at-home
>** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping
>** More Info: http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html
>
>hi went to ur link to look at pics of the car but there wernt any so i was wondering if you could send me some pics of the car..thanks
>
>--------------------
>
>this message was remailed to you via: sale-865871305@craigslist.org
>
>--------------------




So I reply with 4 images and text that says "these pics were taken 6 hours ago"


He replys with another email.



On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:57 pm, jonathan wrote:
>thanks i am very interested in the car id like to see some pics of the interior and better pics of the damage i was also wondering if the timing belt has been replaced on the car??
>




Notice how he says Timing Belt, when vr6's have chains so I knew he didn't even know cars.
So i replied again


>--- On Thu, 10/9/08, me
<phil*****@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>From: me <phil*****@aol.com>
>>Subject: Re: Gti
>>To: @yahoo.com
>>Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 12:09 AM
>>
>>I'll take some pics tomarrow ... read the full thread there's no more
>>damage I replaced the bumper, it tells you that I replaced the timing
>>CHAINS and all major gaskets in the motor, including a brand new oil
>>pan, new axles and tie rods, and a ton other parts with around 3k miles
>>on all the repairs.
>>
>



So he replys again, offering to purchase the car.



On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 7:47 am, jonathan wrote:
>okay thanks i would really like to take a look at it i was wondering if i could come to look at it tonight around 8 or tomorrow nite same time..i was also wondering if you knew how late the tag transfer places are open down there??..and ill also need directions to wherever were meeting at if you give me the address i should be able to mapquest it..and can i have youre number that way when i come to look at it we can contact each other if i have trouble finding the place my numbers 717-507-8*1*
>



I need to trade my car so I can have another car to drive. Selling is my last resort if a trade doesn't come along in 2 months. So I reply to him with this email



>>From: me <phil******@aol.com>
>>Subject: Re: Gti
>>To: @yahoo.com
>>Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:47 AM
>>
>>Ok, but I'm not looking to sell it I'm looking to trade it.
>>
>



The following quote is the last email to me under the name Jonathan slope and email address @yahoo.com.


On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 4:03 pm, jonathan shope wrote:
>okay well in the ad u had said 3500 or trade i am very interested in the car and have the money in cash!!! I can pay you on the spot!! if everythings good with the car..so if u are interested please let me know when i can come to look at it..thanks
>


So I did not reply to him because I said I needed a trade.

I get this email , addressed as Lee Slope and from the email adress dad@yahoo.com.


On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 8:55 pm, Lea Shope wrote:
>I am the father of
@yahoo.com I want to know what is going on. You advertized your car for $3500.-, responded to my son's e-mail with pictures and did not ask him about a trade.* These actions show clear intent on your part.*I have spoken informaly to one of my lawyers who has indicated to me that your actions put you in violation of a number of laws.* You do not missreprisent in advertising. I have enough time into this to realy piss me off.* With the access I have it's not hard to put the car, area, and e-mail address together for a name and street address.* I want this corrected.* I expect you to act fairly, and in good faith.* I expect a response from you to me by Saturday, Oct 11th.* If there is no response by that time I will consider my next legal action.





LOLZ R U SERIUS!!??

Wow , what a duesche bag. Someone find there address or house number for me. I want to talk to this kids father because I know his dad didn't write that email haha and if he did I want to tell him off.
I called the number the kid sent me but all I got was his voicemail so tst have fun.


This is rediculous. What does tst make of this? What could he possibly sue me for?

[~Brian~]

There is no way in hell that was written by the kids father.

Just reply back that you found somebody else to do business with and that you are not interested in dealing with him.

[ASIAN JUL]

Well..
a.) douche, not duesche
b.) Telling him off isn't gonna solve anything
c.) Him spelling advertise with a 'z' FTW.
d.) You shouldn't post their phone number or the kid's e-mail address because encouraging people to harass a kid isn't cool. It makes you look like an ass.
e.) I don't know of any laws you'd be breaking, if you never agreed to the $3500 cash, you never entered into a contract.
f.) The only place I saw $3500 mentioned was the title, so you could say you were just stating what it was worth. I didn't see anything that said "$3500 or trade" just stuff about trades. So unless you edited the ad, I don't know what the dude is talking about.
g.) Contact him and talk to him about it - say his kid didn't understand the terms of your sale and that you aren't going to outright sell. Never a good idea to sell to anyone under 21 as it is, without parental consent. Contracts can usually be voided by the minor, not sure if it's applicable to car sales though.
h.) You, nor the guy you're speaking with should be threatening to find addresses. That's harassment.

[The Captain]

lol. ignore them. You never told him the car was his so you are in no legal trouble.

[upperguy]

tell him you are counter suing for the emotional distress and time spent in the hospital after suffering a panic attack since reading his email.

[Scapegoat]

Well..
a.) douche, not duesche


thank you!

duesche isn't a damn word

And I lol at attempt to sue.

[On Sale]

Yea I didn't edit the ad or anything that's how it was from the start. Kid is probably some spoiled kid and has to get his way and what he wants.

[jjm4life]

thats harassment and completely ridiculous. sued for what, deciding you wanted a trade? f*ck him. you should take down the phone number and email address.

[mrchariybrown]

like I needed any more proof that most people are idiots..

that's ridiculous

[The Captain]

The only actual thing that i can think of regarding law is from contract law called reasonable reliance.

If you said "the car is yours" and then that kid went and sold his car to make the money to purchase yours and then came back and your car was sold to someone else, he could legally make you compensate him...BUT that didn't happen, so no worries.

[abrok99]

lol email him from another account saying im (your email)'s father lol

[The Captain]

or better yet...say that u're your great grand father.

[DropTopChevy]

Tell them you crashed the car.

or....

I'm YOUR father, now tell my grandson to pipe down.

[dragonfly2k3]

lol, what a ****ing joke. lololol at considering next legal action... nothing! HA. oh well, ****'em if they cant take a joke.

[Spocknasty]

Crazy **** is always happening to you.

Write a book.

[tdmopar59]

haha... there are all types on craigslist!

[Gorilla Unit 33]

i can has phone number? i have pizza for sale, maybe he would like some :) lol

[Gorilla Unit 33]

AWwwwwww look at Mr.Shope in all of his hardcore Ford and 2.SLOW JETTA

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=118669066

http://b5.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01411/52/46/1411146425_l.jpg


OOOOHHHH and check out this, possibly the infamous "LEE" (older sister im guessing)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=42388255

http://onlylol.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/five.jpg

[phsdrummer2]

i lulz at your myspace stalking abilityz

[CHAOS]

im sueing you for making this thread

[ozthunder]

There's absolutely no basis. There is NO OFFER AND ACCEPTANCE. You merely solicited offers, and without a proper offer, there can be no acceptance. No acceptance = no trade. Not to mention the misunderstanding was CLEARLY on behalf of the kid...I can keep going.

Tell his "lawyers" to read a ****ing contracts book.

[Jeffros Spec V]

If he e-mails you again just tell him to send any further correspondence to your atty, otherwise your atty will be contacting him.

[lownslow95]

Just dont listen to him. He is some dumb kid that thinks he knows what he is talking about.

[grimm]

i would just say that the car has been sold. He didn't leave a deposit or sign a contract stating he was "buying" it.

[DropTopChevy]

Remind them that you have killed people over less than this.

[Scapegoat]

haha... kid lives in annville... leave him alone, his life is already ruined!!!

[TGilb2007]

Tell him to piss off. Neither you nor him entered into an agreement for the car, which means, he is SOL.

And BTW... I want your car (i have nothing good to trade for it though)

[phsdrummer2]

annville ftmfl

[On Sale]

Ok so I replied to his email lulz... here it is.


>From: me <phi******@aol.com>
>To: Lea Shope <@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 10:45:27 PM
>Subject: Re: VR6
>
>HERE IS MY REPLY, YOU WILL NOTICE I BROKE DOWN YOUR EMAIL TO SHOW YOU
>WHAT AN IDIOT YOU ARE. MY REPLY WILL BE IN CAP LOCKS.
>
>> I am the father of rm_125_mr@yahoo.com (LOL THAT'S A LIE)I want to know
>> what is going on. You advertized (HEY DAD, ITS ADVERTIsE YOU IDIOT)your
>> car for $3500.-, responded to my son's e-mail with pictures and did not
>> ask him about a trade(THE TITLE OF THE CRAIGSLIST POST SAYS "WTT:"
>> WHICH MEANS "WANT TO TRADE" NOT WANT TO SELL. TELL ME WHERE IN MY AD IT
>> SAYS SELLING PRICE 3500).* These actions show clear intent on your
>> part.*I have spoken informaly to one of my lawyers who has indicated to
>> me that your actions put you in violation of a number of laws.(REALLY?
>> MY FATHER IS A LAWYER AND LAUGHED WHEN I FWD HIM THIS EMAIL HAHAHAHA
>> NICE TRY)* You do not missreprisent in advertising. (I NEVER SAID THE
>> CAR WAS FOR SALE) I have enough time into this to realy piss me
>> off.(WHAT 3 EMAILS WOW IT TOOK YOU 10 MINUTES... THAT'S A LOT OF TIME
>> HAHAHA)* With the access I have it's not hard to put the car, area, and
>> e-mail address together for a name and street address (THIS IS A THREAT
>> AND COULD BE CONSIDERED HARRASSMENT. TRY TO FIND ME AND SEE WHAT
>> HAPPENS.).* I want this corrected. (OK BUY A 240SX AND TRADE IT TO ME
>> FOR MY CAR)* I expect you to act fairly, and in good faith.* (I HAVE
>> DONE SO THE ENTIRE TIME)I expect a response from you to me by Saturday,
>> Oct 11th.* If there is no response by that time I will consider my next
>> legal action.
>
>Your a fool. Your bullying isn't going to get me to sell the car, try to
>sue me and I will counter sue with harrassment, terroristic threats and
>defamation of character. Have fun trying to buy a car. Your email
>address and names have been placed on an online auto enthusiest scammer
>search list so anyone you contact will be alerted of your actions during
>this transaction.
>
>Good Day Sir!



Hahaha I made up some lie about an online search engine for scammers and said I added him to it and he believes theirs such a thing ... and threatens to put me on it!!!!! Hahahahaha

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 9:07 am, Lea Shope wrote:
>If what you say is true then I appolagise.* Iwas goung by my son's interpritation of your listing.* I'll look at it.* If there is no mention of intent to sell for $3500.- then this was a misstep on my part.* there is no threat when all that was stated was LEGAL ACTION.* IF your listing is as you have stated then I truly am sorry.* If not and you have placed e-mail addresses on this scammer list then (if approved by my lawyer)*yours will appear there also. I have done nothing to warrant being placed on this list(no action).* You however have taken a negative action toward me.* As far as I'm conserned we're done. Wouldn't buy your car at any price.* Just one question. Why would you limit yourself to 240ZX owned by someone wanting your car ?* Why wouldn't you take money and and have all 240ZX available for sale ?
>

240zx? I said 240sx .... and damn this dude can not spell. This kid is as dumb as a box of pizza.

[ASIAN JUL]

Hahaha I made up some lie about an online search engine for scammers and said I added him to it and he believes theirs such a thing ... and threatens to put me on it!!!!! Hahahahaha

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 9:07 am, Lea Shope wrote:
>If what you say is true then I appolagise.* Iwas goung by my son's interpritation of your listing.* I'll look at it.* If there is no mention of intent to sell for $3500.- then this was a misstep on my part.* there is no threat when all that was stated was LEGAL ACTION.* IF your listing is as you have stated then I truly am sorry.* If not and you have placed e-mail addresses on this scammer list then (if approved by my lawyer)*yours will appear there also. I have done nothing to warrant being placed on this list(no action).* You however have taken a negative action toward me.* As far as I'm conserned we're done. Wouldn't buy your car at any price.* Just one question. Why would you limit yourself to 240ZX owned by someone wanting your car ?* Why wouldn't you take money and and have all 240ZX available for sale ?
>

240zx? I said 240sx .... and damn this dude can not spell. This kid is as dumb as a box of pizza.


Perhaps they need to use that $3500 towards taking a few basic English courses.

[lownslow95]

Remind them that you have killed people over less than this.

Hahaha best answer there.

[ozthunder]

If he e-mails you again just tell him to send any further correspondence to your atty, otherwise your atty will be contacting him.

Not even a need to do that. Ignore it, and let sleeping dogs lie. No attorney would possibly take it b/c there are NO grounds at all.

[crazyukrainian]

wow, just wow..... if i got an email from anyone claiming to be over 14 with that many spelling mistakes i'd smack them

[dragonfly2k3]

if "lea" is the sister... MY TEAM! someone with a myspace friend request her.

[240sxDann]

I can haz sister? I'm with dragonfly! I'll totally friend her!

[240sxDann]

totally sent her a request!